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Soon to Be Released CKEditor 4 Features New Skin And Inline Editing

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  • More Gray?? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Seriously, what is wrong with color in a UI?

  • I for one will be glad when monochrome is passé; I'm surprised Google still has its multicolor logo, for all its embraced this trend. Vive les couleurs!

    • by SomePgmr (2021234)
      It seems the theme you use is entirely optional, and there's a bunch of very colorful ones there. ;)
  • by pinkeen (1804300)
    That's very good to know. It's about time this editor gets a decent look (the old incarnations were ugly to say the least).

    In other news - I can see people misusing the inline editing feature. Tons of bugs and user frustration commencing in 3...2...1...
  • Trendy monochrome -- do they mean like my VT100? That's so trendy they'll still be imitating it 50 years from now.
  • "Who needs textarea any more?" I do. I am writing this comment in VIM using the "I's All Text" extension for Firefox. I use my tool of choice (VIM) for almost everything I write, and I am not overjoyed with "solutions" trying to enforce other tools and behavior than the ones that help me the most. Freedom of choice is, at lest for me, very valuable.
    • Textareas do have the advantage of being accessible too, to those using screen readers and the like.

      Inline editing has lots of advantages too though, so maybe the perfect CMS way of doing things would be to have both options - inline editing for typical end users, and textarea (both plain and WYSIWYG replacements) for accessibility purposes.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    CKEditor is like TinyMCE. Tiny has a lot better documentation and CK, formerly known as FCK, changed their inner workings a couple of years ago without having a solid stable branch. We changed to Tiny.

  • Noooooooooo! (Score:2, Insightful)

    by sootman (158191)

    Thank $DEITY this is an option. (It is an option, right?) A bit of color is a GOOD thing. With monochromatic icons, you need to inspect each icon carefully to discern its shape. With color, your eyes can quickly jump to the right one, especially if you've used it for a while. It just becomes automatic, like muscle memory.

    The old icons were great. The ones that were just for text were black (bold, ital, underline, left/right/center). Text+decoration were black and colored (lists, indent, super/subscript). Se

    • Re:Noooooooooo! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by interval1066 (668936) on Wednesday October 10, 2012 @01:39PM (#41609805) Homepage Journal

      With color, your eyes can quickly jump to the right one...

      Which is great for people with color sight. As a colorblind person I can testify that this is of no use to me whatsoever. Now, before you 'color' (<- clever, no?) me an activist lemme just say that this is not a big deal to me, I'm comfortable in my disability and am not advocating some kind of radical, PETA-esque change in society. But your very first statement; "With monochromatic icons, you need to inspect each icon carefully to discern its shape.", well, sorry but I just don't find this to be too much of a burden. Yes, I do it as a matter of course. But do you REALLY need the extra help?

      I like the trend to less chromatic styles, its helps me and I believe it lends itself to a more streamlined, uniform look for all of us. Its hardly anything to get activist about, but like the 2nd law I tend to less complexity anyway.

      • Well, the fact of the matter is that far more people are not colorblind than are. Those who are not can use these extra color hints to do what we want to do quicker. Do we absolutely need color? No, we don't, but that doesn't mean we should just forego color altogether when there is a proven benefit to it because ~9% of others can't discern the same differences. I know you said you aren't trying to make the whole societal change argument; I merely am responding to the piece of text suggesting we don't need

      • Re:Noooooooooo! (Score:4, Insightful)

        by sootman (158191) on Wednesday October 10, 2012 @03:52PM (#41611623) Homepage Journal

        I knew someone would bring this up. No, it's not much of a burden, but if color makes it better for fully-sighted people (who, by the way, greatly outnumber people with any amount or kind of color blindness -- not that we're therefore more important, it's simply a question of what does the most good for the most people) then why not leave it in? Plus it's not like I'm advocating making a TV louder, which would help a hearing-impaired person watch a show but would cause discomfort for others. If something helps one group and has no impact on another, why not do it?

        Totally blind people can't see icons at all. Does that mean the icons should be replaced with BOLD ITALIC UNDERLINE STRIKETHROUGH NUMBERED LIST BULLETED LIST INDENT OUTDENT SUBSCRIPT SUPERSCRIPT TEXT COLOR HIGHLIGHT COLOR MAKE LINK BREAK LINK LEFT ALIGN CENTER RIGHT ALIGN so you have the same experience a blind person has with a screen reader? After all, it's not much of a burden on you, right?

        That's what separates something that is merely "usable" from things that are truly "good" -- a thousand little details, all adding up to a better experience. Is this the end of the world? No. Is it a step backwards? Yes.

        • Totally blind people can't see icons at all.

          Specious argument. The totally blind don't even figure into this caclulus, so I'm going to completely disregard your little "fit" and again argue that simplicity is a better way to go. Might as well get the shoe to fit as many people as possible in my opinion.

          • by sootman (158191)

            You want things to be equally bad for everyone, whereas I want things to be as good as possible for as many as possible. Sorry, but your way makes no sense. Presenting colorful icons to colorblind users does not harm them in any way, but its an enhancement for fully-sighted users. Colorful icons don't "not fit" colorblind users. (Sorry for the double negative there -- not proper English but there's not a word that's the opposite of "fit".) This isn't like the difference between sounds that are too loud or n

    • Yes, it's just an option. The monochrome theme is just one you can choose from and presumably the default as of this new version. You can choose a colour theme if you prefer, or make your own. Try the demo [ckeditor.com] linked to in the summary, it uses a colour theme.

      The focus of this story shouldn't be the new theme (it looks nice to me but not really a big deal) but the new functionality this version brings, mainly being the inline editing.

  • by Splat (9175)

    You're telling me I need to stop using HotDog to manage my websites?!

  • Who needs textarea any more?

    Slashdot?

  • Sometimes I just want to write a longer piece on my desktop before moving to the web and see a WYSIWYG HTML view. Right now I stick to PSpad on the desktop, WordPress HTML mode (not WYSIWYG), and Google Docs depending on what I'm typing up. I feel I'm missing an editor on Windows that handles HTML/CSS and publishing (preferably to WordPress) better than PSpad. - HEX
    • CodeLobster PHP is the best that I've found. The editor itself is free, the devs charge a small fee if you want access to their plugins --- which include WordPress, Joomla, Drupal, among others.

      Some Features: code-highlighting, code-folding, auto-complete, tag-matching, regex search/replace.

      Default View is "code" but it also includes "Preview Mode" (WYSIWYG) and Inspector -- a mix between CodeView/Preview/FileView : personally I don't find Inspector all that useful, but the rest is decent.

      CLPHP can (a
  • As an avid implementer of CKEditor, I've had several clients ask for the ability to edit content directly on a page. This new inline editor will make that possible. Can't wait for the release.
  • People where I work have been using CKEditor since before the name change to make it English-friendly. (That change made it much easier to describe to upper management.) It's very nice, and I'm looking forward to checking out the newest version.

    Still, I can't help but look at the latest trend to blocky monochrome icons and flash back to Mac 64 and Windows 2.
  • LOVELY! your work is going to be everywhere, shortly. HTML5 is the future, afterall. You guys rock!

  • This is a sincere question, by a naive end-user...
    http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ [w3.org]
    open-source, and efficient even to me...

    • by Anonymous Coward

      it runs in a browser

      amaya runs on the client

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