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O'Reilly Discounts Every eBook By 50% 108

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destinyland writes "O'Reilly and Associates just announced that they're offering a 50% discount on every ebook they publish for Cyber Monday. Use the code CYBERDAY when checking out to claim the discount (which expires at midnight). Amazon has also discounted their Kindle Fire tablets to just $129. Due to a production snafu, they've already sold out of the new Kindle Paperwhite, and won't be able to ship any more until December 21"
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O'Reilly Discounts Every eBook By 50%

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  • Wow... (Score:4, Funny)

    by Mister Transistor (259842) on Monday November 26, 2012 @11:04AM (#42093831) Journal

    Orly?

  • Meh (Score:5, Funny)

    by larry bagina (561269) on Monday November 26, 2012 @11:10AM (#42093903) Journal
    Pirate Bay discounts every eBook by 100%.
    • Re:Meh (Score:5, Insightful)

      by stretch0611 (603238) on Monday November 26, 2012 @11:42AM (#42094175) Journal

      Pirate Bay discounts every eBook by 100%.

      And if we all bought from Pirate Bay, eventually there would no longer be any more quality ebooks.

      O'Reilly is a decent publisher. Many of there books are well organized and are worth the money. And unlike the f-ing RIAA/MPAA, their products are DRM-Free. They let you copy it to any device you want; they will even put it directly into your dropbox folder if you would like them to.

      Many people who pirate content claim that "if they had the money..." or "if they let me use it on ZZZ device..." Well now is your chance. Everything is on sale, and they do let you use it on any device that can read it Put up or shut up.

      For the record, I own about 25 O'Reilly ebooks. I even own a bunch more older titles but I stopped buying printed tech books because I find dropbox and pdfs on my tablet much easier than a broken bookcase and lugging printed material around. (Though I will add the files to my dropbox account manually instead of storing my credentials on their server.)

      • I actually bought a Safari Books Online subscription mainly for O'Reilly content... I don't get my value out of it every month, but it's a really nice idea.
      • And if we all bought from Pirate Bay, eventually there would no longer be any more quality ebooks.

        No, that's if we only bought from The Pirate Bay.

      • by jdavidb (449077)

        And if we all bought from Pirate Bay, eventually there would no longer be any more quality ebooks.

        non sequitur

      • by Idbar (1034346)

        And if we all bought from Pirate Bay, eventually there would no longer be any more quality ebooks.

        You mean like those of Stephenie Meyer?

      • by CastrTroy (595695)
        This is my point of view as well. People say the RIAA and MPAA prices are outrageous, so they just pirate. I say instead of you don't like the price they are asking for their product, you just shouldn't use their product at all. If you pirate it, they have more ammunition to convince the governments to pass draconian laws which monitor online usage and bring heavy fines against people pirating their copyrighted material. If instead you just completely ignore content that you don't agree with the pricing mo
        • by JonMartin (123209)
          Right on. I have this argument with friends occasionally. If you don't like the price or some other aspect of the product (eg. having to use Origin for EA games), do the principled thing and don't consume it at all. It is too easy to say prices are too high or DRM is too onerous when you are getting it for free anyways. Real principles aren't easy.
          • by wallbase (2773553)

            Being truly principled is difficult for most people for two reasons:

            (1) Being principled requires sacrifice. It means going without, which for someone who's used to pirating lots of games/movies, is the emotional equivalent of cutting off their blood supply. Seems like a very trivial and firstworldproblem issue but it's just an example of a low-cost sacrifice a lot of people can have a tough time dealing with.

            (2) Being principled can be dangerous. Stepping in to help someone being beaten up is damn dangerou

        • "If you pirate it, they have more ammunition to convince the governments to pass draconian laws which monitor online usage and bring heavy fines against people pirating their copyrighted material."

          That's only true if their "piracy" numbers have any relationship with reality, which is less probable than the sighting of an alien by a drunken redneck being true. Remember, this is the industry than brought us "Hollywood accounting".

      • by citizenr (871508)

        Pirate Bay discounts every eBook by 100%.

        And if we all bought from Pirate Bay, eventually there would no longer be any more quality ebooks.

        lol, the good old "good things are only made for profit". You must be one direction, just five or other shit of the month fan.

      • by unixisc (2429386)
        I fully agree. I bought a few O'Reilly books myself, and downloaded a couple of free books online. Now, once I get a tablet, I just need to get electronic versions of those, and I'll be all set.
  • If so, then I apologize for thinking we as customers are always being cheated. If on the other hand, selling them at 50% off still returns some profit, something must change. It's that capitalism?

    • [Is] that capitalism?

      People paying more for something that it is intrinsically worth? Yes, but in this case it's (possibly) also a loss leader [wikipedia.org].

      • [Is] that capitalism?

        People paying more for something that it is intrinsically worth? Yes, but in this case it's (possibly) also a loss leader [wikipedia.org].

        Well, actually, it’s economics. We only buy stuff that is worth more than it is intrinsically worth.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_surplus [wikipedia.org]

        And it is probably not a loss leader – those are used to suck costumers into a store with the hope that they will buy some full priced items. It you are selling your e-books at a loss, you are not going to make it up by selling in volume. More likely a marketing ploy.

        http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0135.html [giantitp.com]

        • [If] you are selling your e-books at a loss... More likely a marketing ploy.

          So isn't it a loss leader in that sense? Just one with a few more (and more speculative) steps?

          • All loss leaders is a sub-category of discount marketing strategy, but not all discount marketing strategies are loss leaders.

            This is generate excitement on Cybermonday – Make people think they are getting a bargain – retain market share (buy from us – not the kindle version on Amazon,). Etc.

            A loss leader is, by definition, sold at a loss. If you are selling something at a loss you can’t make it up in volume - it's by selling something else. The classic example is Gillette advertisin

    • by Baloroth (2370816) on Monday November 26, 2012 @11:41AM (#42094167)

      If so, then I apologize for thinking we as customers are always being cheated. If on the other hand, selling them at 50% off still returns some profit, something must change. It's that capitalism?

      Umm, what? There are so many things wrong with your comment it's hard to know where to start. First of all, being ebooks the cost to O'Reilly per copy is near zero, so obviously they aren't selling at a "loss" at any time. Their normal prices are likely set by 2 factors: a high enough price that they can pay the author and still make a tidy profit, and a low enough price that people will still buy. By lowering prices, they increase the number of copies but lower net profit per unit, which means they might end up making little to no profit over their regular prices (or even less, or more likely a lot more).

      However, in no case and no matter what price they set, they are never cheating the customer. The customer pays what he thinks the book is worth. If the price is too high, he has the option of simply not buying. Not like there aren't a million other things he could spend his money on for entertainment or knowledge. That's how capitalism works.

      If you're wondering why they don't set the price low permanently, the answer is simple. Some people will pay full price to get the book when or nearly when it comes out. Some will not, and will wait for sales or lowered prices, or simply not buy it if the price doesn't get lowered. Steam is perhaps the best example of this phenomenon. They sell tons of games at full price to people who want it now, and discount them 50-75% later on. The customers know this, and some will wait, while some will not. Either way, all parties involved end up getting what they want.

      Prices for electronic "goods" are a lot more complex than "always as low as will still make you some profit on the individual unit".

    • It's the same level of economics at work in the Humble Bundle and Steam.

      You buy the book from the author for $50,000.
      You sell 500 copies at $100 each. You break even. Every sale after that gives you profit.
      After a while sales dwindle. Reduce the price by 50% does reduce your profits per book, but you are likely to sell more books, as every book IS a profit.

      What you want would be for the companies to make back their costs (plus a modest profit) and then give the book for free, or work out to the unit, how ma

      • by Endo13 (1000782)

        Sure, let's run with the ebooks vs. steam games comparison. Even small indie games take a lot more man-hours and monetary investment to create than the average ebook. A book typically takes one person less than a year to write, and another one or two people a few months to edit. Since we're focusing solely on the e-book here, you don't need to worry about any of the other costs typically involved in creating a book, such as cover design, etc. So if a small indie game that took probably 2x-10x more time to c

        • by Kwyj1b0 (2757125)

          Sure, let's run with the ebooks vs. steam games comparison. Even small indie games take a lot more man-hours and monetary investment to create than the average ebook. A book typically takes one person less than a year to write, and another one or two people a few months to edit. Since we're focusing solely on the e-book here, you don't need to worry about any of the other costs typically involved in creating a book, such as cover design, etc. So if a small indie game that took probably 2x-10x more time to create sells for $5-10 on average, the average ebook should sell for about $.50-$5. Then they throw those same indie games in the bundles that usually bring about $5-10 for about as many games, so the sales for ebooks should be about $.10-$1 per book.

          And this is why the vast majority of geeks realize that ebooks are grossly overpriced.

          By your argument, paper books should be less than the indie game as well, since printing and shipping costs are really not that high - or so I've heard. (FYI, every e-book I bought has cover art, and they still need to do media promotions, etc). And the editors? They don't work for free and contribute to "the project". That would be like an indie-game developer having to pay for all his artwork and music from a profession artist.

          Also, just because it takes 2x-10x more time to do, they should get paid more

          • by Endo13 (1000782)

            By your argument, paper books should be less than the indie game as well, since printing and shipping costs are really not that high - or so I've heard.

            Perhaps, but that's a different discussion. However the interesting thing here is that in many cases, the paperback is actually cheaper than the e-book.

            (FYI, every e-book I bought has cover art, and they still need to do media promotions, etc).

            An e-book doesn't need that any more than the variety of games you find in the humble bundles, which is what is being compared here. If they choose to pay extra for that, well, that's on them. That doesn't increase the value of the product.

            And the editors? They don't work for free and contribute to "the project". That would be like an indie-game developer having to pay for all his artwork and music from a profession artist.

            Uh, yeah, and I mentioned editors as part of the cost/time investment in getting a text ready to be published.

            Also, just because it takes 2x-10x more time to do, they should get paid more? Really?

            I dunno, w

            • by Kwyj1b0 (2757125)

              So then going by that, the per hour cost for creating a game should be a good deal more than writing a book, because it requires good writing skills in addition to other skills.

              I see the skill-set as significantly different. While gaming requires imagination (to think of the idea), artwork, and programming, writing (fiction, for fair comparison) requires imagination and literary skills. And while programming well is hard, today's computing facilities are a lot more forgiving with sloppy code. So I find the comparison of writing novels with writing computer games to be a false comparison (maybe I should have just said that instead). Saying the average book takes 1/10th the effort

    • How much do you think writers make compared to the time they spend writing? Especially for something that has a limited shelf life like a technical manual?
      • by Endo13 (1000782)

        I think they make a lot more than I do for the time I spend working. But clearly their writing is far more important than anything I'd ever do.

        • by chromatic (9471)

          I think they make a lot more than I do for the time I spend working.

          Most technical book authors would be lucky to make minimum wage, especially if they write for the terrible royalty rates major publishers offer.

  • news? ad? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by C0R1D4N (970153) on Monday November 26, 2012 @11:17AM (#42093957)
    Why is this here?
    • by bondsbw (888959)

      Yeah, really. It's not even that great of a deal, in my view. Manning Publications [manning.com] has a deal of the day and you get discounts like this quite often from them (note, I don't work for them, I have just purchased a few of their books). I'm sure others do as well.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      News for nerds should probably cover a good deal from one of the best known publishers of computer-geek books. Also, it appeared on Hacker News and anything posted there goes to slashdot within 1/2 day (and vice versa) ever since people started calling HN an alternative to slashdot in their slashdot comments.

      (I may be biased. I just spent money -- post-decision cognitive dissonance and all that.)

    • Because someone submitted it and it got enough recognition to make it to the front page.

      And I thank the submitter and those who supported it, I will be making my purchase shortly.

  • Why not also discount the hard copies as well? The cost of distribution, printing, and so on is only a small fraction of the cover price. I like to keep a personal library of technical books that won't expire or become useless when the auth-server goes down for good. When I'm done with them, I can either donate them to local libraries, give em to a friend's kid who is in post-secondary, or recycle them if they are truly outdated and irrelevant.

    I have been burned by small time eBook publishers, M$'s musi
    • I have been burned by small time eBook publishers, M$'s music store, etc. If you deal in virtual goods, you have no rights, no bargaining power, and you can't even reverse the charges on your credit card due to implicitly signing into an asymmetric legal contract by purchasing them.

      Which is why I feel absolutely no guilt when I strip the DRM from the ebooks and movies (and, formerly, music) I purchase.

      I agree it shouldn't be this way at all - but, for now, my compromise is to only buy digital items if I know I have the means to remove the DRM from them.

    • It's been said before, but it may need to be a rebuttal to every instance of this silliness on this thread: These eBooks are not DRMed, or auth'ed, etc. What you get is the ability to download the eBook in one of several versions, including PDF, with which you can do whatever the hell you want, without checking in with their server ever again.

    • by Endo13 (1000782)

      Hard copies have a lot of other additional costs involved that digital copies do not.

      Things like:

      - Attractive cover design
      - Shelf space at a store (not applicable to etailers like Amazon of course)
      - Climate-controlled storage warehouse before they get to the store
      - Shipping during various stages (don't forget packing material costs)

      And then of course there's the other actual costs of printing that you already mentioned, which can be fairly expensive if you go with high-quality materials and a high-quality p

    • by lengau (817416)
      Have you checked O'Reilly's stance on their ebooks [oreilly.com]?

      Whenever possible we provide them to you in several DRM-free file formats — PDF, ePub, Kindle-compatible .mobi, and DAISY — that you can use on the devices of your choice.

      Furthermore:

      Lending: If you buy an O'Reilly ebook from oreilly.com, you may lend it to another person, provided that you do not retain any copies of the book after you lend it. This is the same as the situation when you lend a used print copy—when you lend the copy, you deliver it to the buyer and no longer have a copy in your library. If you have bought a hard copy/ebook bundle, you may of course retain the hard copy, if you lend the ebook.

      Resale: If you buy an O'Reilly ebook, when you are done with it you may resell it, provided that you do not retain any copies of the book after you sell it. This is the same as the situation when you sell a used print copy—when you sell the copy, you deliver it to the buyer and no longer have a copy in your library. If you have bought a hard copy/ebook bundle, you may of course retain the hard copy, if you sell the ebook.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    At long last, Slashdot and Woot! have merged into this fantastic, multi-pronged marketing bonanza whose efficiencies are finally being fully leveraged.

  • by destinyland (578448) on Monday November 26, 2012 @11:31AM (#42094079)
    Amazon's also discounted thousands of ebooks by 80% today. (James Gleick's "Chaos" is just $2.02, and you can buy an ebook version of Einstein's Theory of Relativity for 99 cents!)

    http://www.beyond-black-friday.com/2012/11/26/80-discounts-on-kindle-ebooks-for-cyber-monday/ [beyond-black-friday.com]
    • by vlm (69642) on Monday November 26, 2012 @11:54AM (#42094297)

      The DRM one has to discount by 80% to get sales, the non-DRM one only has to discount by 50% to get sales.
      Interesting. That would imply DRM impairs demand, shoving the price lower by about 30%. That's a lot of profit amazon is leaving on the table apparently by demanding pointless DRM.

  • O'Reilly used to offer ebooks for any edition that you "owned" (and by owned, they want you to type in an ISBN number), they would sell you the ebook for $5.
    Haven't needed any books in awhile and haven't looked at their site lately.

    • by Endo13 (1000782)

      So basically, if you already own the hard copy, we'll sell you a digital copy that costs us nothing for just $5! Wow, what a generous offer!

      How about this instead: for a $5 yearly fee, you can download any ebooks for free if you already own the hard copy. Now that's an offer I could get on board with.

  • When they'll slice also the prices of printed books.
  • I know Kindle DRM is 'teh evilz' but I bought two of their books a few weeks ago off Amazon for my Kindle. Not on sale or anything.

    50% off the O'Reilly site price for both books would have saved me about $2.

    I don't know if that's relevant or anything but just commenting. (For the interested, they were of the type 'read this through for a good grounding in the subject better than what you'd get digging through 500 pages on google'. They really helped with the projects I was working on, and probably saved me

  • Display started to show a bright about after a month. Earlier this month a whole line of pixels died. Support? Yeah, only if you live in the USA. I got the KF as a Christmas present last year. Since I live in Mexico having the thing replaced under warranty costs well over 100 USD. So Bezos, if you want to give me a great Christmas: shove a KF so far up your ass that the light of the backlight shines out of your nostrils. If you do, I will gladly offer mine at no additional cost.

    See also: http://johnbokma.co [johnbokma.com]

    • by Anonymous Coward

      How is this at all relevant to the article?

      And if we are going so off-topic - Why are you buying a product not sold in your country and expecting it to be supported?

  • I just checked a few books, but amazon beat them. Kindle was considerably cheaper and paperback was about the same as the half off ebook.
  • by epine (68316) on Monday November 26, 2012 @03:06PM (#42096465)

    I was in the mood to buy a DRM-free ebook or two at the discount price, but after five minutes at O'Reilly I gave up the hunt. There's no category in the subject index for big data / machine learning. And neither did I quickly identify a filter on level of presentation. No, I don't need a quick review of the data structures in R.

    I found a free download entitled "Big Data Now: 2012 Edition". There are some tidbits of interest in here, but over all it's a little too button-down for my tastes. It mentioned Apache Mahoot for machine learning. Hey, I'd buy an intermediate to advanced book on that at half price--if such a book existed.

    One of the problems with buying on price opportunity is that you frame the problem of "given this pile, what's best for me" instead of "given what's best for me, is there anything of note in this pile at all". I'm reading Daniel Kahneman's Thinking Fast and Slow and presently basking in the availability glow of just how stupid humans are, most of the time. We're idiots for framing and anchoring effects.

    I mean, I nearly rolled off the bed in hysterics last night when I read that most people find it easy enough to list six occasions where they have behaved assertively (and this activity causes them to report having an assertive personality) but asking people to list twelve occasions where they've been assertive is hard work and causes people to doubt that they are really so assertive after all. Twelve considered difficult? I don't need no book on big data, I can type it in by hand in JSON notation wherever the need arises. I'm assertive pretty much whenever I sit at a keyboard or open my mouth or pull up to a four-way traffic control. You know, in a group setting you don't need to control the outcome. One can accomplish a lot by quietly (yet assertively) trimming away the worst stupidities. Well-timed application of the pruning shears to group psychology seems assertive enough to me.

    I have a recommendation shelf at Goodreads for the narrow category "Computer Science". This presently includes many O'Reilly book: Regular Expressions, Haskell, JavaScript, TCP/IP. Someday, if Goodreads exploits big data in some useful way, this might actually feature the books from O'Reilly where there was any chance in hell of me making a purchase.

    First suggestion: refine the "not interested" button to include "been there, done that". Regular expressions are way cool for the first decade of one's programming career.

    • I'm not saying it's definitely what you want, but:

      http://shop.oreilly.com/category/get/data-science-kit.do [oreilly.com]

      That page was advertised on the front page of the site. Maybe these books are too basic; as you said, you don't need a quick review of data structures in R. But, they do at least have something.

      I agree, though: I can't get very excited about e-book deals when I'm not sure of a topic in which one would be compelling anymore.

  • No paypal = no sale.

  • O'Reilly offers huge sale, takes down their site
  • by Anonymous Coward

    http://shop.oreilly.com/home.do now says it ends Nov 27 @ 11am PT

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