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GNU Hands Out Trisquel At a Microsoft Store 274

Posted by Soulskill
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alexanderb writes "Remember GNU's Windows 8 launch trick or treat in October, where Free Software Foundation activists handed out gratis copies of the free (as in freedom) system Trisquel GNU/Linux? Well, GNU returned for a Microsoft store's 'Tech for Tots' session on December 20th in Boston, MA. Like in October, the activists (accompanied by a gnu) handed out gratis copies of Trisquel GNU/Linux — a free alternative to Microsoft's new operating system, Windows 8."
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GNU Hands Out Trisquel At a Microsoft Store

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  • by rolfwind (528248) on Friday December 21, 2012 @06:07PM (#42365285)

    Ubuntu is a tough enough sale and that's with some proprietary stuff added on. Don't even want to know if Trisquel can play DVDs out of the box or not.

  • by Penguinisto (415985) on Friday December 21, 2012 @06:09PM (#42365299) Journal

    True, but every new Linux user will start demanding either that the OEMs stop bundling Windows, find one more amenable to their requests, or they'll start building their own boxes.

    It also means that each new Linux user isn't buying MS Office, using IE, or all the other bits and bobs that Microsoft also sells.

    You gotta eat that elephant one bite at a time, yanno?

  • by Latent Heat (558884) on Friday December 21, 2012 @06:09PM (#42365301)
    Yeah, yeah, "Linux" is just the kernel, but if it weren't for Mr. Torvald's kernel, the GNU project would be still spinning its wheels.

    To the average "dude or dudette on the street", it is just plain "Linux", and this "GNU/Linux" label just oozes righteous political correctness.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 21, 2012 @06:32PM (#42365487)

    who would trust some random person handing out free software anyway? Even if they were interested, they would promptly ditch it once they realize an all free software distro runs like shit without the proprietary drivers needed to run their computer well

  • by OhPlz (168413) on Friday December 21, 2012 @06:33PM (#42365495)

    Every new computer at the store includes Windows, so you have to pay for it even if you don't want it.

    That must suck for people buying Macs.

    Face it, the demand isn't there. That's the problem that's being ignored. Big names like Dell have tried to market systems with alternative operating systems, but the sales don't justify it. I can't see how sending two guys and a furry to intercept shoppers is going to help either. If anything, having people see them getting hauled off by security is going to put a negative image in people's minds.

  • by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) on Friday December 21, 2012 @06:41PM (#42365565)
    I'm a sole developer in my shop (in addition to being our Linux server admin). My workstations all run Debian and I'm about as pro-GNU as you can get. With that said, if it weren't for Active Directory keeping our end users from random acts of jackassery, our entire organization would have degraded to a Mad Max-esque wasteland where roving bands of IT geeks roam the cubicle ranges keeping everything in check manually.
  • by hairyfish (1653411) on Friday December 21, 2012 @06:42PM (#42365581)
    To beat any incumbent you need to offer better products. MS isn't just a Windows desktop, it's the server, terminal services, AD, DNS, DHCP, Exchange, SQL, IIS, .Net, Sharepoint and a whole hoard of other stuff that works, and works nicely together with very little effort. As much as the Linux fanbase would this not be true, there is no linux solution that even comes close to this. Sure you could cobble together a bit of this and a bit of that that sort does something similar, but it takes 10x as much effort, only has 1/2 as many features, and is a nightmare to support or troubleshoot when it breaks (or a new guy comes onboard and has to figure out your homebrew mess you created.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 21, 2012 @06:56PM (#42365697)
    I didn't build Linux to use GNU, I built Linux to download pr0n from the local BBS.

    -- Linus Torvalds
  • Re:What? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by 93 Escort Wagon (326346) on Friday December 21, 2012 @07:22PM (#42365885)

    Because the FSF doesn't support projects that integrate (or allow the integration of) proprietary bits and pieces.

    So basically they're doing their level best to make sure the average person considers Linux a non-functioning piece of crap.

  • by hairyfeet (841228) <bassbeast1968@@@gmail...com> on Friday December 21, 2012 @07:28PM (#42365947) Journal

    Exactly. Hell look at how Linux as an "OS" is managed, you got fifty billion little fiefdoms, NONE of which are ruled by one grouped or even really has to talk to one another on a regular basis, and then all these "little programs written by little groups with their own agendas" get slapped together and called an OS.

    Now this works just great on a SERVER for several reasons. 1.- Removing the GUI and sound subsystems cuts out a LOT of complexity and overhead, 2.- You can "mix and match" to build a system that is right for the jobs your company is doing, 3.- MSFT prices itself very stupidly in that market, with Windows SBS costing $400 a pop, so 4.- Even after hiring an admin at 6 figures you are still gonna be ahead in a large org by the money you save not dealing with the mess that is Windows Server licensing.

    But on the desktop this is exactly reversed, you HAVE to have a well built GUI and sound subsystem and frankly X-Server is a crashy mess, and Pulse is a bad joke, the users WILL NOT put up with CLI fiddling and "open up Bash and type" like a server admin would, and finally the cost for most users is practically zero because with trialware the OEMs end up getting windows Home and Basic for free, maybe even make a few bucks which they can use to lower the price.

    So I'm sorry but Linux just isn't in the same league as OSX and Windows when it comes to ease of use, user friendliness, stability..its just not even in the same ballpark. I would argue that "free as in freedom" all volunteer doing your own thing nature that so many in the Linux community prizes so highly also insures that it never ever will be up to the task of standing in the same arena with OSX and Windows, because you just can't have the level of QA and QC with everybody doing their own thing. The X-Server guys don't listen to the DE guys who don't listen to the Pulse guys and so on so all it takes is ONE of these groups to change a pointer in the right spot and the whole thing falls down like a house of cards. Go look up the rant Thom that runs OSNews had when he tried to watch a video while chatting and the whole system crashed, its THAT kind of shit, probably caused by the video player team expecting something to be A when the X-Server team changed it to B, that gives Linux a bad rep.

    I have said before and I'll say again not a single distro can pass the "Hairyfeet challenge" yet, not one. We take one of the user friendly distros like Ubuntu or PCLOS and install it side by side with Vista, along with a range of average software. We make sure ALL the drivers are working, then we update both to current. The vista machines WILL have 100% working drivers and software, the Linux system? Will be a mess. heck in just the last 5 years we've seen the devs gut both the DEs and the audio and wireless subsystems so good luck getting those systems to update without making a mess.

    Until one can pass the Hairyfeet Challenge with flying colors, where every driver and every program still runs without a single forum hunt? Then I'm sorry but your product simply isn't in the same league, end of story.

  • by vux984 (928602) on Friday December 21, 2012 @07:55PM (#42366111)

    Creating a kernel is easy.

    Well in that case...

    it really sucks that he didn't use the "at your option any future version" text in the license, -- I mean, he made it impossible to change the license why

    Fortunately this can be resolved by simply writing a new kernel.

    Which is easy.

    And best of all you can make it compatible with the linux kernel, and then just substitute it in with GPLv2 or later in the license.

    You said it could be ready in 2 weeks? Can't wait.

  • by Microlith (54737) on Friday December 21, 2012 @10:08PM (#42366747)

    Hell look at how Linux as an "OS" is managed, you got fifty billion little fiefdoms, NONE of which are ruled by one grouped or even really has to talk to one another on a regular basis, and then all these "little programs written by little groups with their own agendas" get slapped together and called an OS.

    Ah, and the spewing of hate begins. These diverse distros don't really matter because all the "communication" happens in the projects that these distros are comprised of. But the only ones that really matter these days are Ubuntu, Mint, Debian, and Fedora. In the enterprise space, it's RHEL and SuSE. Your commentary here is toothless.

    I'm sorry but Linux just isn't in the same league as OSX and Windows when it comes to ease of use, user friendliness, stability..its just not even in the same ballpark.

    It's not there yet. So what. Say something insightful or original for once man, this certainly isn't. Of course, Canonical is trying hard to get there.

    I would argue that "free as in freedom" all volunteer doing your own thing nature that so many in the Linux community prizes so highly also insures that it never ever will be up to the task of standing in the same arena with OSX and Windows

    Which is why distros are so important.

    you just can't have the level of QA and QC with everybody doing their own thing.

    Most vocal criticism from someone who apparently fails to understand development. Each of the independent projects does its own thing and stable versions are codified into a distro release. That release is then QA'd.

    The X-Server guys don't listen to the DE guys

    Actually they are, which is why Wayland is coming along. The DE guys aren't using much of the functionality that exists from the days of X11 yore, so Wayland omits it.

    who don't listen to the Pulse guys

    You think in a very set and staid "the world works only when it is done like Microsoft or Apple" mindset. And they succeed mostly either because of marketing or monopoly force.

    all it takes is ONE of these groups to change a pointer in the right spot and the whole thing falls down like a house of cards.

    Bullshit. But this is coming from the guy who thought that some developer in a core library would be able to undetectably target Steam and cause it and only it to crash out of some misguided hate.

    Go look up the rant Thom that runs OSNews had when he tried to watch a video while chatting and the whole system crashed, its THAT kind of shit, probably caused by the video player team expecting something to be A when the X-Server team changed it to B, that gives Linux a bad rep.

    I'd be curious as to what graphics drivers he was using. If they were closed source, then it's the vendor's fault most likely.

    the "Hairyfeet challenge"

    And I suspect once one gets close you'll move the goalposts. I suspect you never actually want to see Linux pass.

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