One Boston Marathon Bomb Suspect Dead, Other At Large After Shootout With Police 1109
theodp writes "During the night, The Tech broke news that gunshots were reported at MIT near 32 Vassar Street (the Ray and Maria Stata Center for Computer, Information, and Intelligence Sciences), and one officer was shot and taken to Mass General Hospital. MIT's Emergency Information page also reports that injuries have been reported. Sadly, CNN is now reporting that the university police officer has died. Look for updates on Twitter."
The two suspects identified earlier as being behind the Boston Marathon bombings are believed to be responsible for this. They were found by police. One suspect, 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was killed in a shootout. The other suspect, 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is still being pursued. The Associated Press reports that the two are believed to be from the Russian region near Chechnya. During the firefight, the suspects threw explosive devices at police. Public transit in Boston has been shut down, and hundreds of thousands of people have been asked to not leave their homes. Here are live feed for local TV news and emergency services audio. Police have been warned that the remaining suspect may have a suicide vest.
Reader Okian Warrior points out a related story worthy of notice: "The 4chan crowd, poring over images of the Boston marathon, identified two dark-skinned and bag-carrying suspects (among others). This was then picked up by The New York Post, who ran the image on Thursday's front page with the headline 'Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon.' And now, a completely innocent teen now finds himself scared to leave his home."
Reader Okian Warrior points out a related story worthy of notice: "The 4chan crowd, poring over images of the Boston marathon, identified two dark-skinned and bag-carrying suspects (among others). This was then picked up by The New York Post, who ran the image on Thursday's front page with the headline 'Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon.' And now, a completely innocent teen now finds himself scared to leave his home."
Pics from overnight live-tweeted (Score:5, Informative)
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https://twitter.com/AKitz/status/325121071479156736/photo/1 [twitter.com]
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https://twitter.com/akitz [twitter.com] = andrew kitzenberg's twitter site
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supposedly, backpacks on Laurel Street where a police shoot-out occured. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3664323&cid=43490229 [slashdot.org]
Re:One Suspect Dead (Score:5, Informative)
Yea, despite how it's seen in movies, anaesthesia is actually rather complicated.
You can't just pump a guy full of ketamine in the middle of a live shootout and expect him to be just fine.
Re:One Suspect Dead (Score:5, Informative)
Murphy's First Law of Armed Conflict: If the Enemy is in range, so are You.
Re:And Now the Crowd-sourcing Cleanup Phase (Score:4, Informative)
Re:One Suspect Dead (Score:4, Informative)
when a bombing suspect (who has been throwing grenade-like devices at you as you chase him) starts charging at you, you shoot to kill.
The police normally start shooting to kill a long time before it gets to that stage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States_2013 [wikipedia.org]
Re:infowars.com (Score:4, Informative)
There was a group of military that ran the marathon WITH backpacks on. They were also some of the first to help the wounded. exercise your inner-google. I saw photos that day of that showed them running IN the race.
Take off the tinfoil hat and rejoin reality. It may suck and make no sense at times, but every now and then, you actually get to have some fun. If you are always wearing your tinfoil hat, you will NEVER feel happiness.
Re:Terrorist or freedom fighter? (Score:4, Informative)
Oh, give it a rest. For a few days I've been hearing the left talk about 'right wing nuts' blowing up the place because it was 15th of April, the tax day. I said on a few occasions that this had to do with the marathon, not with the date. If the marathon took place a day later or a day earlier, that's when the bombs would have gone off.
I'm listening to the CBS Boston live feed [cbslocal.com] and one of the uncles of the two guys said just a little while Tamil (one of the brothers) told him he found his "new self" or something like that in Islam.
So give it a rest, it is what it is.
If a woman is murdered, the cops look at her husband as the most likely suspect, and you know what? Most of the time that's who killed her. Same is here, this is profiling and it works.
Re:Full stop (Score:3, Informative)
The suspect they were trying to apprehend was shooting at them and throwing bombs at them. At that point, regardless of whether you are guilty of the crime they are arresting you for, you forfeit any right you have to stay alive.
When you try to unlawfully kill someone, they are justified in using lethal force to stop you from killing them.
Re:infowars.com (Score:5, Informative)
There was a news story about some military unit that ran the full marathon in full gear/with rucksacks.
They finished towards the beginning of the race and were some of the people seen running towards the blasts and removing the barricades to let the first responders get to the victims.
Re:One Suspect Dead (Score:5, Informative)
That is really a movie thing, in real life giving the patient enough morphine to shut them up is also a good way to kill them. In WWII medics were very careful about morphine use (eg pinning used syrettes to the soldiers collar so field hospitals would know morphine had been administered).
Re:MIT (Score:5, Informative)
The ratio of crappy versus good cops seems to go up when you're dealing with rent-a-cops and security, yes.
OK, just stop this bullshit now.
MIT Campus Police are real police, recruited only from among real police departments, with lots of experience required before they can even apply to the department.
Campus police may be real cops .... (Score:5, Informative)
... The ratio of crappy versus good cops seems to go up when you're dealing with rent-a-cops and security, yes ...
Campus police may be real cops, especially so at state schools. At the University of California they are actually equivalent to state police and may patrol areas off campus with large concentrations of students. At my campus when a nearby bank was robbed the UC Police were the first on scene, confronting and containing armed robbers. When a local police officer was shot during a routine traffic stop one night, and the suspect fled into a nearby industrial park, the UC Police, the local police and the police from the neighboring town were searching and clearing the buildings in the park. I forget which department actually found the guy.
Re:Pics from overnight live-tweeted (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Watch the total absence (Score:5, Informative)
Now look at the list of terror attacks in 2012
None of those happened in the USA. Here's a list of Islamic attack attempts in the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_extremism_in_the_United_States#attacks_or_failed_attacks_by_date [wikipedia.org]
And here's a far bigger list of all terrorism attempts in the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#2010.E2.80.93present [wikipedia.org]
If you guess every terrorism attack in the USA is Islamic, you're going to be wrong more often than you are right.
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Re:Sexist!!!!!!!!!! (Score:5, Informative)
The two Russian aeroplanes that were blown up in flight in 2004 were blown up by female suicide bombers. It was also fairly common in the Middle East to use women as suicide bombers, particularly women whose husbands had been killed by whomever that group was upset with.
Re: Holy crap! (Score:4, Informative)
Hey, be fair, it's entirely possible that he won't be ambushed. For instance, he could repeatedly miss his target and kill one or more innocent bystanders, like the chuckleheads on Danzig street [thestar.com].
Did you link the wrong thing or are you, to be kind, misreading incredibly badly? That's an article from Canada. Known as one of the anti-rights, gun control, people's utopias. There is effectively no concealed carry. There gun laws out the ass. Canada is frequently pointed out as "the way it should be!"
Yet, you put in a link to a gang shooting with 25 victims, two dead. While trying to say that Concealed Carriers shoot up innocent bystanders. Way to go.
Re:MIT (Score:4, Informative)
The ratio of crappy versus good cops seems to go up when you're dealing with rent-a-cops and security, yes.
OK, just stop this bullshit now.
MIT Campus Police are real police, recruited only from among real police departments, with lots of experience required before they can even apply to the department.
Because of campus police like Lt. John Pike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper-spray_incident [wikipedia.org]
I'm not saying all campus police (or any other type for that matter) are bad, but one might not automatically assume they're good guys either.
Re:infowars.com (Score:4, Informative)
I'll try to clear a bit of that up. Some soldiers, even when off-duty, love to be seen in their uniforms. They are proud of who they are, the organization that they serve, and want everyone to know it. True pride in thier work if you will because that is a core principle ingrained in them during training. The backpackers aren't typically running with their gear, as was originally mentioned they are walking along side. Some to just get that road march type training in, sometimes because they are EMT volunteers so they carry appropriate gear, and sometimes just as a show of solidairity and support. Also there can and have been events like that where a military person could have been participating, sponsored by his unit. I don't know if this marathon in particular consisted of those but you can't rule it out. Post 911 at least, it has been general policy of the military though to not wear your uniform in public unless you are enroute to work. This is to minimize attacks of opportunity and as general operation security protocol. Some don't heed that advice however, possibly because of the "romantic" visions of the WW2 days where soldiers were loved and respected by the public and they wish to try and revive that spirit. Again that's a pride thing. Hope that helps.
Simple protesters were not pepper sprayed (Score:4, Informative)
Because of campus police like Lt. John Pike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper-spray_incident [wikipedia.org]
Your own link states that students *surounded* the police and *demanded* that those in custody be released. It further states that police ordered people to move and these people *refused*. What I recall from the full videos of the incident is that the police then pepper sprayed those people who refused to move and were *blocking* the path that the police wanted to use to exit the area.
This was *not* police simply walking up to protesters and pepper spraying them. These were people blocking an exit route as police were surrounded.
Re: Holy crap! (Score:5, Informative)
Time to get my Concealed Carry Permit.
Won't stop a bomb, but would be pretty handy if people like these two chuckle heads decide to start shooting things up instead of blowing them up.
You should take some basic handgun safety classes followed by some active shooting classes before you consider a CCW permit.
See if you can handle your shit in a mock active-shooter scenario. Because I guarantee that, in practice, if you can't consistently clear a jammed feed, draw your gun properly, disable the safety, and stay behind cover, then you won't be able to do it properly when you are actually about to kill someone. Plus, it is really hard to hit someone who is shooting back at you, especially if they planned ahead and have body armor, a shotgun, a semi-auto rifle and 200 rounds as compared to your two (legal) low-capacity magazines.
You may also find that you do not like the responsibility associated with carrying a firearm... Are you going to help others in danger or just yourself? Are you willing to accept the consequences of misinterpreting a rapidly evolving situation and doing the wrong thing? What if you accidentally shoot an undercover cop? What if you shoot a gang-member and the gang comes after you or your family? What if you accidentally shoot another CCW-holding citizen responding to the same situation? What if he shoots you? Is your spouse on-board with you carrying a loaded weapon on your person? Are you willing to no longer be able to drink alcohol on the days that you are carrying?
Also, remember that in a city, you can't legally take your gun into most stores or offices. If you illegally take it in, you are subject to a felony and loss of your CCW permit. And the average legal fees associated with shooting someone in self-defense are spectacular... upwards of $400K if the family decides to sue you.
I am not saying that you shouldn't go for it. Just be aware there is a lot of baggage associated with the "right" to carry and it is better to be aware of those issues up front.
Re:Perhaps the best argument for gun control (Score:4, Informative)
"Well, things like this are hard to trace...(with the disgusted tone and facial expression like he thought they should)...but then again NO ONE needs to buy more than ONE pressure cooker, so maybe they can look for people buying more than one.." etc.
The guy was actually sounding like he couldn't believe that since pressure cookers can be used to make bombs and is apparently popular with the DIY bomb crowd, that they weren't more closely looked at....
Pretty soon, are we going to start regulating anything that has a normal use, that can be repurposed into something dangerous?
I get this sad feeling every time allergy season comes around, and I have to fscking show ID and sign forms when I want ephedrine to help me feel better...