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The Media Iphone

Chicago Sun Times Swaps iPhone Training For Staff Photographers 316

frdmfghtr notes (via Cult of Mac) that "the reporters of the Chicago Sun-Times are being given training in iPhone photography, to make up for the firing of the photography staff. From the CoM story: 'The move is part of a growing trend towards publications using the iPhone as a replacement for fancy, expensive DSLRs. It's a also a sign of how traditional journalism is being changed by technology like the iPhone and the advent of digital publishing.'"
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Chicago Sun Times Swaps iPhone Training For Staff Photographers

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  • by MadCow42 ( 243108 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @10:41AM (#43888687) Homepage

    Who cares what equipment they're using... A piece of crap camera in a skilled photog's hands can still get a great photo.

    The real story (and tragedy) is they think that non-pro photographers (writers and amateurs) can do the job. Watch the results - photo quality (content wise, maybe not just technical wise) will plummet. Maybe they think that doesn't matter, who knows. And for things like sports, they'll have to use wire service photos now for sure. You can get great photos from AP/Reuters, but they'll be the same photos as other news outlets.

    Sad sad, and short-sighted decision IMHO

    Madcow

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 02, 2013 @10:44AM (#43888713)

    Why an iPhone? Why any phone? Why you remove progressional photographers from the equation you'll get amateur quality photography. Next they'll be teaching them how to use photoshop to fix their crap pictures (or even assemble them from stock photos so they don't need to be bothered going out at all).

  • Accordingly (Score:5, Insightful)

    by evil_aaronm ( 671521 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @10:45AM (#43888715)
    I propose that the editor be replaced by my second-grade grand-daughter - I mean, she can edit just as well, right? - and the "fancy, expensive" computer that the editor currently uses be replaced by an Etch-A-Sketch. Or Crayons.
  • by FreeUser ( 11483 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @10:53AM (#43888767)

    clues:

    - training in iPhone photography
    - firing of the photography staff
    - iPhone as a replacement for fancy, expensive DSLRs

    It's real, there was quite a bit of time dedicated to this story on Chicago Tonight a few days ago. The big joke is the Chicago Sun Times itself...once a respectable newspaper, now transforming itself into little more than an amateur blog. And using iPhones with their subpar optics...in the hands of people who know nothing about photography...the paper will be carrying Facebook quality pictures, or as another mentioned, the same pic as every other outlet via AP/UPI.

    Whatever bozo made this decision should be fired...his/her 6-figure salary will probably pay for 2 or 3 decent photographers, and they'll get a whole lot more value out of those photographers than they will the moron who made this decision. But then, I don't think the Chicago Sun Times is long for this world anyway (an end hastened by such collasal mismanagement).

    What we're watching is the final deathrows of a dying paper, in an industry on life support.

  • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @10:59AM (#43888803)

    When you remove professional photographers from the equation you'll get amateur quality photography.

    When you remove subscription paying readers from the equation, you get less money to pay professional photographers.

  • by PeeAitchPee ( 712652 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @11:00AM (#43888813)

    The real story (and tragedy) is they think that non-pro photographers (writers and amateurs) can do the job.

    I don't think they think this. I think they can't justify the cost of creating "real" photos shot by on-staff pro photographers (which come with health care, benefits, taxes, etc.) using DSLRs when "crappy" pics shot by non-pros will do 95% of the time. They can always hire pros as contractors for the 5% of the time they actually need "real" shots -- or license the shots they need from some syndicated source.

  • by femtobyte ( 710429 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @11:03AM (#43888831)

    The move is part of a growing trend towards publications using the iPhone as a replacement for fancy, expensive DSLRs.

    No, the move is a trend towards replacing trained skilled professionals (in this case, photojournalists) with cheap, unskilled labor (reporters who might be fine reporters, but don't know shit about photography and photojournalism; or even "user submissions" from Joe Random's cellphone). The cost of a DSLR is nothing compared to wages for a professional. Unfortunately, the *results* from dumping the photojournalists are also nothing compared to using the professional --- and it's not a matter of camera quality. A professional photojournalist with an iPhone would produce better photojournalism than non-experts with a DSLR. The Chicago Sun Times isn't throwing away "pixel quality" so much as "journalism quality" --- no wonder newspapers are dying.

  • by jools33 ( 252092 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @11:08AM (#43888861)

    Thom Hogan (Nikon expert) has a very critical take on this here [bythom.com], one which I happen to agree with fully, to quote Thom:
    " If you're in the content business, there's one simple rule you have to remember: create the best content for your chosen media. First, you can sell great content to customers (circulation revenue). Second, you can sell your access to a great set of customers to others (advertising revenue). Corollary: if you don't invest in the content, you'll die. First, because you don't attract a large enough audience and can't hold them. Second, because the declining audience will scare advertisers away. Finally, if you just run from your chosen medium to try to dominate another one, you're playing moose to someone else's elephant. Prepare to get stepped on."

  • by DNS-and-BIND ( 461968 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @11:31AM (#43889025) Homepage

    This makes sense - if the point of journalism is to deliver high-quality photography of the kind that other photographers will appreciate. So much of old-fashioned journalism is a gigantic circle-jerk. It has been repeatedly proven that nobody needs this sort of hugely expensive photography in order to tell a story. A couple of snapshots are enough. "But how will anyone win the Pulitzer Prize?!?!" Yeah, the local newspaper won't win that anyway. It's more of a political award than an acknowledgement of talent.

    Frankly, the people who will be providing said snapshots are ordinary folk posting on social media. Who cares what the f-stop was, or if someone took a shot facing into the sun? It's a freaking photo, it will be gone in 24 hours, why spend any money on it?

    Professional photographers are, predictably, butthurt about the whole thing as it directly attacks their livelihood. When I became an adult I was just shocked at how horridly expensive photography is. And how stupidly overpowered this photography was for my needs. Nobody wants to pay $1500 for a photo of some ducks at a lake. I'm just illustrating an article, thanks. And yet until now this sort of market has existed. Insane, and it is quite gratifying to see this sort of elitist nonsense finally obsoleted.

    Oh, don't believe me? One need only spend time on pro photographer forums to find out just how prevalent the snobbery is. Let's not even get into Nikon vs. Canon.

  • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @11:35AM (#43889059)

    "You'll get much better shots from an iPhone than you will if you hand over a D4 or a MkIII to a non-photographer."

    No, actually, you won't. DSLRs still have "green square mode" which puts the things in automatic. You won't get the results you'd get from the same camera with a decent photographer behind it, but you'll get better results than a camera phone provides.

  • Comment removed (Score:3, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @11:36AM (#43889067)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • Magic money tree? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Phoeniyx ( 2751919 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @11:44AM (#43889123)
    Do you have a subscription for the Sun or a similar newspaper? If you do, good for you. But, there are millions who stopped paying for their news. Without this revenue, how exactly are the news outlets supposed to have all these professionals on staff? Magic money tree? The more people get their news from the "internet", the less money will be spent on gathering the news. This is just a natural outcome of the digital age. If it reduces the quality, well.. That's just part of the game.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 02, 2013 @12:18PM (#43889351)

    And yet they wonder why people don't find their publications notable and are unsubscribing at increasing rates. Using stories and photos from wire services that are recycled all over the place don't make your Newspaper a unique, compelling product.

  • by tim_uk ( 123339 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @12:27PM (#43889425)

    That's an elitist view. There is no need for any sort of special professional to press a button on a handled camera device, DSLR or not.

    The photographs involved needn't be art, it's for a disposable newspaper.

    You win the "complete jackass" comment award. Press photographers don't make "art". They record history. Do some research. Fucking idiot.

  • by Jartan ( 219704 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @12:32PM (#43889457)

    I think you're giving too much credit to the internet. Journalistic integrity was already in a sad decline before the web took off.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 02, 2013 @12:40PM (#43889511)

    That's an elitist view.
    There is no need for any sort of special professional to press a button on a handled camera device, DSLR or not.

    It doesn't take any special skill to pull a trigger either. The skill is in identifying what to shoot and in aiming.

  • by sirwired ( 27582 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @12:47PM (#43889553)

    Unless set for spot or center, modern AE algorithms are little more sophisticated than "Expose the whole scene for 18% grey." "Matrix" metering has been around for something like 25 years now. Matrix metering tries to recognize what you are trying to accomplish and adjust exposure accordingly. You are correct that it doesn't always get it right, but give them a little credit... I find that when I'm using my modern DSLR, AE gets it perfect most of the time, and produces a usable shot (as in, one salvageable for a website or newsprint) almost all the time.

  • by hedwards ( 940851 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @12:49PM (#43889581)

    The reason to get a real camera is that you can get photos in conditions where a phone won't. Also, they last for years and are far less likely to be damaged in the field. I've got a Canon 7D and even with something like an F2.8 28-75, that cost me $400 a decade ago, it still whips the crap out of what you'd get with a phone. In total that would be a $1500 or so set up. Which would likely last many, many years.

    As for professional photographers, you get what you paid for. Ultimately, you need somebody else to do the photography, because you can't interview and take photos of whatever happens at the same time. And a professional is much more likely to get the photos that are needed quickly, rather than futzing around trying to figure out how to best capture the scene.

    All this BS about how expensive photographers are, is generally by people who have no idea how much it costs to find that you've been at the scene and don't have any usable shots. Might as well outsource the journalists as well and just collate tweets while we're at it..

  • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Sunday June 02, 2013 @02:13PM (#43890149)

    And then you lose one more reason for people to subscribe. I think that is the definition of a death spiral.

    What would suggest they do instead? Go bankrupt? Fire the reporters and have the photographers write the stories? Most subscribers left before they made this change, so going back isn't going to reverse the readership decline. Sometime I take photos with my phone, other times I use a real camera. Is the difference noticeable? Sure. But not different enough to matter in a news story, and certainly not enough to make me buy a subscription. If sending only a reporter rather than reporter+photographer allows them to cut their costs in half, then they can cover more stories, which more likely to attract readers.

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