US Forces Undertake Two African Raids, Capture Embassy Bombing Figure 229
CNN reports that two separate U.S. military operations have taken place this weekend in Africa; the first in Tripoli, the second in Somalia. "In the earlier raid, U.S. forces captured Abu Anas al Libi, an al Qaeda operative wanted for his role in the deadly 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. In the second raid, a team of U.S. Navy SEALs in southern Somalia targeted the top leader of Al-Shabaab, a terrorist group linked with al Qaeda." According to the report, it's unclear for now whether the second of these attempts was successful. Unsurprisingly, the Libyan raid has raised the ire of the interim government there, which has objected to the U.S. arrest and removal of al Libi (to an undisclosed placed outside of Libya) as a kidnapping.
And we're reading about it here why? (Score:2, Insightful)
News for Nerds? Really?
Re:And we're reading about it here why? (Score:3, Insightful)
How about posting the source for your bullshit?
Might it be Moon of Alabama?
The same site running stories about how Iran is not enriching uranium, but rather is producing nanodiamonds?
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2011/11/on-nuclear-iran-allegations-nanodiamonds-aint-nuclear-bombs.html [moonofalabama.org]
Do you really think we are that stupid?
You must think we are complete idiots.
Oops: Obama bin bama not so peaceful (Score:2, Insightful)
And he got the Nobel peace prize . What a phoney prize.
Stuff That Matters (Score:5, Insightful)
News for Nerds? Really?
Forgetting the Stuff That Matters are we? Last time I checked geopolitics and military strikes affect nerds as much as they affect anyone else. Plus are you seriously going to claim that nerds have no interest in special operations warfare?
Re:Denial (Score:4, Insightful)
Seems like a pretty drastic way to break the budget deadlock.
Since paying DoD civilian employees was given a big thumbs up, it shows that there can be some agreement. Provided it is in a few, well defined, areas.
The next thing looming is the debt ceiling on the 17th. What better way to get it raised than "we urgently need to spend some $ on a quick military action". Bingo. Support given wholeheartedly "to retain the US military superiority" or somesuch, the debt ceiling is also raised. Job done.
Re:Wonderful post (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, but "lesbian free chat" is probably the high point of this discussion so far.
Re:And we're reading about it here why? (Score:4, Insightful)
it's the libyan government who is claiming they had no indication of the raid, not somali. somali government couldn't really give a crap about it anyways since they were not in control of the area where the raid happened.
the libyan raid on the other hand in any normal case should have been done by libyan government - libyan police could have arrested the guy - but then there would have been all kinds of nasty paperwork to do for an extradition, need for proof and all that jazz.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24420767 [bbc.co.uk]
as it stands technically USA kidnapped the guy(they had no authority to detain him). the guy was living openly with his family in libya - yet US government officials say it's the superb work of their intelligence offices that caught him. currently usa also says that he is being held under "law of war" - no quotation what that is(we all know it certainly doesn't mean prisoner of war status!).
Re:And we're reading about it here why? (Score:4, Insightful)
I think we have the answer to a lot of questions here:
Two years after Libya’s revolution, government struggles to control hundreds of armed militias [washingtonpost.com]
Two years after the Arab Spring revolution that toppled longtime dictator Moammar Gaddafi, and one year after the assault on a U.S. compound in Benghazi that killed U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three others, Libya’s fragile government has little control over the nation’s security.
Even minor disputes escalate into frequent gun violence on the streets. Kidnappings and armed robberies are increasing, and government officials and others have been assassinated with guns and bombs. Militants and arms smugglers easily cross poorly protected borders shared with Niger and Chad.
The Libyan government doesn't in fact have anything like full control over the country of Libya. If a senior al Qaida member was living openly, he probably had militias around to protect him. It is doubtful that the Libyan government would have been able to do much. He probably would have either had warning in time to flee, or the government would have had a real battle on its hands.
The forces that captured him would have done so under the authority of the Authorization for Use of Military Force passed by the US Congress. The US is at war with al Qaida, and the Libyan government doesn't have control over its territory. So it is probably better to say he is captured rather than kidnapped. Being held under the Law of War would mean he isn't in the judicial system, but can be held as a Prisoner of War. To qualify for all the rights, privileges, and protections of the Geneva Convention, such as preparing your own food and not be subject to interrogation, you have to conduct war in accordance with the Geneva Conventions. Al Qaida doesn't do that.
Now it is only a question of time till protesters start claiming he is innocent and should be released.
Re:Where's the mandate? (Score:5, Insightful)
You can use that argument to support military action against any country that doesn't extradite to your country...