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Where Does America's Fear Come From? 926

An anonymous reader writes "While far from a dictatorship, the United States has employed a number of paranoid tactics that delegitimize its democracy. And the motivation for doing so is — fear. That seems to be a long way from 'So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is...fear itself: nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and of vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. And I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days.' Where is the U.S. heading?"
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Where Does America's Fear Come From?

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  • Re:Control... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Dunbal ( 464142 ) * on Sunday November 10, 2013 @07:00AM (#45382251)
    Nothing has changed because basic human nature is the same. This is the way it will always be. So you get to choose whether you want to be part of the herd near the edge looking for the wolves, or oblivious somewhere the middle, or if you want to be a wolf. Being near the edge isn't a problem because you see the danger coming, so you get a head start. Being in the middle, you don't even realize the danger is there until the whole herd is moving.. And of course being a wolf has its own unique advantages: you get to eat mutton and you get to watch the whole herd fear you. But you have no herd for protection and in trying times, the other wolves don't mind eating wolf, too.
  • Re:totally normal (Score:5, Informative)

    by Dunbal ( 464142 ) * on Sunday November 10, 2013 @07:15AM (#45382305)
    Sure it is, it's just not happening where it used to happen. Been to Latin America lately? Hell of a boom down here. We're not that poor anymore.
  • by mschaffer ( 97223 ) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @07:19AM (#45382315)

    It's older than that. People haven't changed for 10s of thousands of years. We just have better records of the more recent stuff.

  • by Rockoon ( 1252108 ) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @07:46AM (#45382423)
    Fox News may play fast and loose with the facts, but that doesnt change the fact that sources like MSNBC are much much worse. [pewresearch.org]

    CNN: 54% factual reporting, 46% commentary/opinion.
    FOX: 45% factual reporting, 55% commentary/opinion.
    MSNBC: 15% factual reporting, 85% commentary/opinion.

    Here is the full report. [stateofthemedia.org]
  • by Melkman ( 82959 ) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @07:54AM (#45382459)

    Well, I live in Europe and have been to the US. And the waiters in Paris pale in comparison to some waiters in Florida ;-). But on average people are people wherever you go. You got friendly and entertaining people in all societies as well as rude obnoxious ones. In areas with high populations like big cities you got more of both of them.

  • by SuricouRaven ( 1897204 ) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @08:12AM (#45382553)

    From a European perspective, America doesn't have 'left' and 'right' wings. They have the 'right' and 'extreme right' wing.

  • by anyanka ( 1953414 ) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @08:15AM (#45382567)

    My family visited Europe this Fall and were surprised at the level of civility experienced there.

    I just visited the US last week, and was surprised at the level of civility I experienced there.

    Seriously, whenever I meet USians (even in the wild), they're generally friendly, sensible people. Which makes it perhaps even more depressing that the country as a whole is run by sociopathic assholes. Unfortunately, European leaders (both political and corporate) are learning quickly.

  • by dkleinsc ( 563838 ) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @08:19AM (#45382591) Homepage

    #4 is largely incorrect. There was a big burst of inflation in the 1970's that basically halved the value of money in 9 years, and that's the kind of thing you fear. But since then, it's been closer to a rate that halves the value of money in over 20 years, which is neither unusual nor particularly harmful. And all you need to do to beat inflation is to hold assets that aren't cash, such as stocks, bonds, a home, land, or commodities.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @08:21AM (#45382603)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 10, 2013 @08:49AM (#45382719)

    I think the tall claim is " In Europe, for example, facts and figures are checked and cross checked. When opposing parties discuss the direction of public policy, they discuss, often from very different ideological points of view, from the same set of facts and figures.".

    Do you have any evidence to back THAT up?

    (I'm from Europe, politicians never let facts and figures get in the way of ideology).

  • Re: Control... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @09:42AM (#45382997) Homepage

    In Europe? It's common to speak 3 or more languages.
    In the USA our education system is so bad most can not speak the native English very well.

  • Re:Control... (Score:5, Informative)

    by realityimpaired ( 1668397 ) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @09:53AM (#45383067)

    AD = CE. CE expands as Common Era, and is generally more accepted in a global context, because it doesn't reference a god you may not believe in or adhere to. More than half the world's population does not follow an Abrahamic religion. The dates are exactly the same, just a different name.

    You did know that AD means "Anno Domini", right? In English, that's "the year of our Lord". If you want to claim adherence to the Christain God, that's fine. You have that right. But don't expect me to pay lip service to a God that, to me, comes off as a petty, cliquish and vindictive sort, according to your own holy books.

  • by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @09:53AM (#45383069) Homepage

    "with basically no inflation"

    You are an utter fool if you believe that.

    There has been almost double digit inflation during this years long period of low employment. My $1.00 buys only $0.70 today than what it did only 3 years ago.

    It's the bulshit made up numbers that the Government releases that people listen to... "we have 7% unemployment!" if you don't count the unemployed that are not getting Unemployment insurance. Actual is near 20% unemployment. under Employment is higher than that, and then what I call the "bullshit employment" People that have skills but are working Mcdonalds,Walmart,etc instead of their skilled labor job the numbers hit near 40%
    The cost of living which is the real inflation, has steadily increased. Loaf of the cheapest crap white bread was $0.90 just 4 years ago. Today it is $1.19 That is so close to a 30% increase it's scary. Meat, etc... all up about the same amount. People that actually track their expenses will all see about a 30% increase in costs over the past 3-4 years. And a 0 to -10% change in their income.

    Some places can see an almost 50% increase in cost of living over that same time period.

  • by codeusirae ( 3036835 ) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @10:28AM (#45383347)
    A series of three documentaries about the use of fear for political gain [archive.org]

    "Narrator: In the past, politicians promised to create a better world. They had different ways of achieving this, but their power and authority came from the optimistic visions they offered their people. Those dreams failed and today people have lost faith in ideologies. Increasingly, politicians are seen simply as managers of public life, but now they have discovered a new role that restores their power and authority. Instead of delivering dreams, politicians now promise to protect us: from nightmares. They say that they will rescue us from dreadful dangers that we cannot see and do not understand. And the greatest danger of all is international terrorism, a powerful and sinister network with sleeper cells in countries across the world, a threat that needs to be fought by a War on Terror.

    But much of this threat is a fantasy, which has been exaggerated and distorted by politicians. It's a dark illusion that has spread unquestioned through governments around the world, the security services and the international media. This is a series of films about how and why that fantasy was created, and who it benefits. At the heart of the story are two groups: the American neo-conservatives and the radical Islamists. Both were idealists who were born out of the failure of the liberal dream to build a better world, and both had a very similar explanation of what caused that failure.

    These two groups have changed the world, but not in the way that either intended. Together, they created today's nightmare vision of a secret organized evil that threatens the world, a fantasy that politicians then found restored their power and authority in a disillusioned age. And those with the darkest fears became the most powerful
    ."
  • Re:Control... (Score:4, Informative)

    by AthanasiusKircher ( 1333179 ) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @10:56AM (#45383587)

    and of course many other creative spelling attempts that are blamed on auto-correct but rather should be blamed on lousy education or the willful butchering of words.

    I agree with you mostly. But I have to say -- when I first got my iPhone, I tried Autocorrect for a month or so. I discovered that my phone would NEVER let me type the word "its", i.e., the possessive third-person pronoun. It ALWAYS "corrected" it to "it's", i.e., "it is".

    Of course, there were the other inanities Autocorrect introduced -- often any word other than the few thousand most common English words was in danger of being randomly converted to a nonsense phrase or something.

    But Apple's Autocorrect was actively promoting the decline of English syntax. I looked like an idiot in emails I would write where I'd forget to go back and fix the words my phone had helpfully "corrected." And there were no convenient ways to fix it. So I turned Autocorrect off, and I've been spelling words correctly again ever since.

    Somewhere in here, I think there's a metaphor for what Apple is doing to society.... [just kidding... mostly...]

  • by Entropius ( 188861 ) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @11:37AM (#45383897)

    Giffords wasn't shot by a "patsy", and her shooting had nothing to do with her political views. She was shot by a crazy guy who had no coherent agenda at all. The only connection between the way she practiced politics and her getting shot was that she was holding a "talk to the voters" event in a supermarket parking lot when it happened.

  • by cold fjord ( 826450 ) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @12:49PM (#45384365)

    No, progressive is used in the same way in the US, for pretty much the same political spectrum. The missing piece of the puzzle for you is that fascism was once understood as a progressive movement until political and practical considerations forced a demarcation.

    You may find these items interesting even if much of the discussion is framed in an American context.

    What Is a Progressive [townhall.com]
    A Nicer Form of Tyranny [claremont.org]
    Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt [reason.com]

  • by whoever57 ( 658626 ) on Sunday November 10, 2013 @01:15PM (#45384529) Journal

    This has got to be the thousandth time I've read an analysis of debt from a Progressive that fails to account for the fact that government is only a redistributor of income. Any decrease in spending is an increase in the amount that taxpayers can keep for themselves.

    This is a simplistic and hence inaccurate view. Government spending on things like large infrastructure projects can contribute to increasing the overall wealth of the nation. In this case, reduing spending can result in reducing the wealth of the nation.

    Furthermore, providing a safety net for people (welfare) can allow people to take more risks, so the population can be more mobile, more entrepreneurial, etc.. Such risk taking can result in new businesses and increased GDP.

    If you think otherwise, let me suggest that you move to Somalia. I expect tax rates are very low there.

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