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Britain's Conservatives Scrub Speeches from the Internet

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @01:45PM (#45414507)

    Where's the torrent file?

  • by Joining Yet Again (2992179) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @01:49PM (#45414571)

    because they broke almost all of their pre-election promises.

    The most important thing to learn about the Tory party in the UK is that, contrary to popular opinion, it is not the party for the responsible, the capitalists, nor the hard-working (except in the sense that they want most people to work hard for them). It is a party representing a few wealthy individuals, and their mission is not small government, but privatised government, where nothing happens without their masters getting a cut.

    Sorta like a mafia.

  • 1984 (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MyLongNickName (822545) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @01:49PM (#45414573) Journal

    “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” George Orwell, 1984

  • by uncle slacky (1125953) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @01:55PM (#45414651)
    No, but the Wayback Machine always respects takedown requests. Note that the British Library maintains an archive of UK sites, and still has the speeches in question (from April 2008 onwards):http://www.webarchive.org.uk/wayback/archive/20080410100951/http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=news.speeches.page [webarchive.org.uk]
  • by mpe (36238) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @01:56PM (#45414671)
    because they broke almost all of their pre-election promises.

    When was the last time a political party (or even an individual politician) did anything else?
  • Re:1984 (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:05PM (#45414799)

    He who controls the spice controls the universe.

  • Not in the USA! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by edibobb (113989) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:09PM (#45414847) Homepage
    In the U.S., politicians post speeches full of lies online, and nobody cares. I'm not sure if this is because everybody believes the lies, or because nobody believes the politicians.

    http://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/Rumsfeld-denies-making-claims-Iraq-had-WMDs-1202942.php [seattlepi.com]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU0m6Rxm9vU [youtube.com]
  • Re:Wrong (Score:4, Insightful)

    by game kid (805301) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:13PM (#45414913) Homepage

    I like your optimism.

    They'll find a way to close that to public access (except "on a need-to-know basis" and to Royal family members, staff, and "security" officials) too, as soon as they see how embarrassing (or criminal) parts of the archive may be. Clearly, they always find a way, however brutish [slashdot.org].

  • by roninmagus (721889) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:30PM (#45415101)
    The main issue that conservatives (at least in the US) have in their thought process (trust me, I am one) is that they believe "responsible," "capitalist," and "hard-working" actually leads one to become one of those few wealthy individuals.

    Unfortunately this is usually not the case at all; the responsible, capitalist and hard-working ones only lead those wealthy few to become more wealthy.

    This is a truth I think conservatives should realize and embrace, so that we can actually come up with real solutions to problems.
  • by Joce640k (829181) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:56PM (#45415369) Homepage

    I dunno, but I'm guessing none of these politicians have ever heard of the Streisand Effect.

  • by Jeremiah Cornelius (137) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:41PM (#45415799) Homepage Journal

    I dunno, but I'm guessing none of these politicians have ever heard of the Streisand Effect.

    I dunno, but I'm guessing none of these politicians have ever heard of 1984. [wikipedia.org]

  • by Bardez (915334) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:44PM (#45415837) Homepage
    Robots.txt should be respected at the time of retrieval. It should not be retroactively respected to censor or remove old data. That is a shame. I've used the Archive before on a site of a gaming company that I loved, which nearly went bankrupt (or perhaps did) but managed to eke its way through. Part of their relaunch nuked the Internet Archive's archives and I definitely felt a sense of loss.
  • by volvox_voxel (2752469) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:57PM (#45415997)
    It makes Winston Smith's job at the Ministry of Truth more difficult if there are old archives available..
  • by d3m0nCr4t (869332) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @04:16PM (#45416233)

    I dunno, but I'm guessing none of these politicians have ever heard of the Streisand Effect.

    I dunno, but I'm guessing none of these politicians have ever heard of 1984. [wikipedia.org]

    Oh they have, but instead of feeling appalled, they just get a hard-on.

  • Robots.txt should be respected at the time of retrieval. It should not be retroactively respected to censor or remove old data. That is a shame. I've used the Archive before on a site of a gaming company that I loved, which nearly went bankrupt (or perhaps did) but managed to eke its way through. Part of their relaunch nuked the Internet Archive's archives and I definitely felt a sense of loss.

    Yeah, I had the silly impression all this time that the entire purpose of the Internet Archive was to archive the goddamn Internet precisely so that people couldn't pull this kind of retroactive erasure "cleansing of history" bullshit and get away with it.

    What a dope I am. It's amazing how inadequately we are protecting our freedoms and our history these days. If we don't do something much more drastic our grandchildren will end up being slaves to some theocratic corporatocracy and they'll have no idea that the world was ever any different.

    Lately I think Orwell was overly optimistic.

  • by Garridan (597129) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @05:25PM (#45417117)
    Suppose they archive some kiddie porn. And then they let people download it. And those people make donations to them. And there's more than one person involved in administering the archive. That's conspiracy to distribute child porn for financial gain. No shit they censor the archive, dumbass. For self-preservation, if nothing else.
  • by Obfuscant (592200) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @06:21PM (#45417791)

    When robots.txt is used for censorship, it no longer deserves any respect.

    It's not censorship when I tell robot data scrapers to bugger off and not abuse the website I run by copying every image I have and looping through the multiple links that take people there, or to invoke a program that generates data on they fly tens of thousands of times a day to the detriment of real users who actually have an interest in the information and can't get it because some robot is using all the available server processes.

    I hope more people decide to ignore them.

    The day that the first scraper starts ignoring mine, his IP is going into the firewall. If he tries to be a sneaky shit and use multiple IPs, then the site where YOU could come get data for free may very well go away, and you wind up with nothing. Neither I nor my employer have the spare bandwidth and cpu cycles to have every robot come download the Tb of data I have on the web. If free public access becomes an abuse of the server, the free public access goes away.

    We should never let other people decide what we can see and hear.

    When you are talking about my data, I have every right to decide whether you can see or hear it. It is your attitude of entitlement that makes me always have second thoughts about putting anything on the web. Most people are reasonable, decent people who appreciate the service. Some think they have a right to demand it.

  • by bfandreas (603438) on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:04AM (#45419827)
    The UK Tories under Cameron are indeed appalling. It is hard to decide if they are merely incompetent or malicious. Their actions of late point to the latter. Indeed one could only speculate how bad it would have been without the LibDems.

    The UK political scene has always been a bit foreign to my German tastes. A backbench MP suggesting that feckless fathers should be dragged to work in chains in defense of the badly executed bedroom-tax would have been forced to apologize in German politics. And he would have lost his seat come the next election. The comically idiotic ads targeting "illegal" immigrants to turn themselves in are both malicious and incompetent. And even now there is another push to introduce the "snooper's charta" which in the light of the recent revelations about the GCHQ isn't even needed for them to do what they do.

    The other paries in the UK look good in comparison because of the unmitigated disaster that is the current Tory crop. Thatcher was bad but potentially a necessary evil due to the unmaintainability of the Postwar Dream. But think as I may I can't begin to fathom where to start to look for a justification for that cabinet, that PM and that party. They do not even have the use of a compass needle that permanently points to the south. You can't say "let's do the opposite of what they are suggesting" due to the utter confusion that is their politics.

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