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Canonical Developer Warns About Banking With Linux Mint 206

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sfcrazy writes "Ubuntu developer Oliver Grawert does not prefer to do online banking with Linux Mint. In the official mailing list of the distribution, Ubuntu developers stated that the popular Ubuntu derivative is a vulnerable system and people shouldn't go for online banking on it. One of the Ubuntu developers, Oliver Grawert, originally pointed out that it is not necessary that security updates from Ubuntu get down to Linux Mint users since changes from X.Org, the kernel, Firefox, the boot-loader, and other core components are blocked from being automatically upgraded." Clement Lefebvre, the Linux Mint project founder, has since made a statement and confirmed that Oliver Grawert seems "more opinionated than knowledgeable" adding "the press blew what he said out of proportion."
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Canonical Developer Warns About Banking With Linux Mint

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  • by X0563511 (793323) on Monday November 18, 2013 @05:31PM (#45458587) Homepage Journal

    Nice job Oliver - we really needed more ammunition in the Everyone vs Canonical battle.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 18, 2013 @05:39PM (#45458661)

    if you can't say how good your product is. tell everyone how shitty everyone elses product is.

  • This is why... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sgage (109086) on Monday November 18, 2013 @05:45PM (#45458717)

    ... I don't want anything more to do with Canonical, or Ubuntu, or Mint, or any of that lot. I'm sticking with Debian. I'm sure it has its problems and all, but at least the politics seem to remain mostly internal. These public pissing matches between distros just seem so counter-productive. But since I've been using Linux (1998), it seems to be a constant. Ego issues? I don't know. I don't particularly care. It's just so boring and off-putting.

  • Pot and kettle (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 18, 2013 @05:47PM (#45458749)

    Why would you want to use a different distro where you don't know what could happen to your personal info;Here at Canonical we build the selling of your private info right into the menu!

  • Re:Missing context (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ttucker (2884057) on Monday November 18, 2013 @05:56PM (#45458811)
    It is a pretty fucking good point too, that list of rules contains update exclusions that certainly would affect security.
  • Re:This is why... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jones_supa (887896) on Monday November 18, 2013 @05:58PM (#45458825)
    I personally am seeing BSDs as an increasingly interesting choice.
  • He's just mad. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by imunfair (877689) on Monday November 18, 2013 @05:59PM (#45458831) Homepage

    It's not surprising he'd try to bash Mint, considering they ate part of Ubuntu's marketshare when Ubuntu made stupid design decisions. That's what happens when you try to cram weird GUI changes down peoples throats in open source.

    Don't move my Close, Minimize, and Maximize buttons to the left side by default unless you're going provide some spectacular improvements in return. I tried using it that way for a couple days and was still reflexively clicking on the empty right side to close the window. Eventually I found a config mod that fixed it, but then they went to the stupid Ubuntu mobile desktop and I couldn't be assed to work around it any longer so I switched.

    It's worth mentioning that if you don't like Ubuntu repos, Mint also has a version based directly on Debian.

  • by Mister Liberty (769145) on Monday November 18, 2013 @06:01PM (#45458843)

    Good!
    May they suffer.

  • by Mister Liberty (769145) on Monday November 18, 2013 @06:04PM (#45458861)

    Where on its websites and -pages does Ubuntu ever mention the word Linux?

  • by Eggplant62 (120514) on Monday November 18, 2013 @06:05PM (#45458867)

    This is the stupidest thing I've ever read. Not only is it a blow to Mint, but to free software in general. I just got done crowing to friends that Linux isn't full of NSA backdoors, and then this pops up on newsfeed. Sheiss.

    I suppose our developer doesn't understand that one can go with slightly more intelligent tools, like apt-get on the CLI, to get those packages upgraded? If so, he's no developer I'd give a shit about.

  • by exomondo (1725132) on Monday November 18, 2013 @06:20PM (#45458975)

    I suppose our developer doesn't understand that one can go with slightly more intelligent tools, like apt-get on the CLI, to get those packages upgraded? If so, he's no developer I'd give a shit about.

    He likely does, but that's not really the point is it? It's whether the average users know to do this.

  • Re:This is why... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by c0d3g33k (102699) on Monday November 18, 2013 @06:21PM (#45458983)

    With all due respect, working on Linux distributions is, for the most part, a thankless job. People certainly aren't doing it for the money - they are doing it because they passionately care about what they are doing. Aaaand ... passionate people sometimes react before they think, sometimes they are misinformed, because they are crazy busy doing their best to provide quality software to you for nothing. Because they care enough to do what they are doing when few others do. And they do it all in public for all to see ... and are judged for it, quite often by those who don't participate or understand. I'd ask you to take that into account before you dismiss passionate outbursts as "pissing matches" with a wave of the hand - you're just getting a glimpse into "how the sausage is made". Get over it. That's how humans operate. The beauty of the FL/OSS ecosystem is that you don't have to listen to the discussions that create your software for you - just use what you like based on its technical merits. Maybe if you feel gratitude for the gift you've been given you might even say "thank you" now and then. But if you're making your technical decisions based solely on what you misperceive as "politics", you are doing it wrong.

  • Re:This is why... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by TangoMargarine (1617195) on Monday November 18, 2013 @06:26PM (#45459023) Journal

    This doesn't sound like a pissing match so much as an Ubuntu guy being an ass and a corresponding Mint guy rolling his eyes. The urine is flowing one way.

  • by exomondo (1725132) on Monday November 18, 2013 @06:29PM (#45459041)

    The problem is these are labeled Unsafe Packages and Dangerous Packages, now with those descriptions what user is going to say "yes I want those"? It states that these can affect stability, which is true, but leaves out that they could be critical security patches, which is also true.

    The real beneficial fix to end users here would be to state the whole truth about these updates.

  • by similar_name (1164087) on Monday November 18, 2013 @06:43PM (#45459125)
    Sounds like politics.
  • End of the world? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dshk (838175) on Monday November 18, 2013 @06:48PM (#45459163)
    We are talking about a short, almost personal comment on the developer's mailing list of Ubuntu:

    i personally wouldn't do online banking with it ;)

    Compare this with the Slashdot article title:

    Canonical Developer Warns About Banking With Linux Mint

    Whether he is technically right, or not, I find it disgusting that such a side note becomes news on Slashdot.

    By the way, the subject was another new distribution based on Ubuntu, similar to Mint, therefore the Ubuntu developer actually encouraged an Ubuntu derivative.

  • by dkleinsc (563838) on Monday November 18, 2013 @06:50PM (#45459181) Homepage

    At what point is Ubuntu going to transition into a community driven OS?

    I'd say it already is transitioning to a community-driven setup, called "Mint". One of the key things that makes the open-source world different from the commercial world is that when an organization starts getting stupid and greedy, someone forks the project, and if they do a better job the user-base just switches to the new project and loses nothing of any great value.

  • Re:This is why... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Iskender (1040286) on Monday November 18, 2013 @07:02PM (#45459265)

    because they are crazy busy doing their best to provide quality software to you for nothing.

    Uhh, the guy flaming in this case is working for Ubuntu. I don't know this, but I'd bet he's *employed* by Ubuntu.

    Meaning, he probably has even fewer excuses.

    And if making distros is a thankless job, maybe he should have some respect for others doing it? The guy behaved badly, end of story.

  • by Lumpy (12016) on Monday November 18, 2013 @08:06PM (#45459655) Homepage

    I warn people away from Ubuntu and towards Debian or another reputable distro that is not selling your info and loading your os with AD's and spyware. Yes if you are sending info for targeted ad's you are bundling SPYWARE.

    Ubuntu has tainted the water. It's not a safe OS.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 18, 2013 @09:46PM (#45460191)

    "Crucial to Linux components working with one another. Do not install unless you are experiencing a problem which you believe the upgrade will solve"

    Sounds sensible actually.

    yeah real sensible: only install security updates if you are actually being attacked. great idea dumbass.

  • by Mirar (264502) on Tuesday November 19, 2013 @12:35AM (#45460919) Homepage

    By inferring that Linux in any form or shape might be not worthy of "online banking",
    I think this has hurt Linux an immense amount.

    He probably just now blocked tens of thousands of people of trying *Canonical*,
    because the article reads "*Linux* is not good to do online banking with".

    Smooth.

    I wonder if he can do anything to repair the damage. :(

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