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Mystery of FBI Documents Posted To US Press In 1971 Solved

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  • Paging Cold Fjord (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @12:00PM (#45898163)

    Come on, tell us exactly how these terrorists destroyed America 40 years ago by telling Americans they were being spied on by America.

  • Hero's all (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @12:02PM (#45898179)

    In the words of Martin Luther King, one of the targets of COINTELPRO, "One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws."

  • Criminals (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @12:22PM (#45898401)

    Some criminals claim to be irish, so we should unlawfully surveil, harass and frame all the irish people.

    Some criminals claim to be leftists, so we should unlawfully surveil, harass and frame all the leftist people.

    Some criminals claim to be anarchists and one guy can burn down the capitol building, so we should enact emergency laws to surveil, harass, frame, and imprison all the anarchists. ...

    Difference? Nope. The rule of law and fundamental freedoms exist for a reason.

  • by king neckbeard (1801738) on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @12:56PM (#45898759)
    That's why we should elect officials that can't be embarrassed. If you are selling the image of being a squeaky clean family man, you are easily blackmailed. If you are well known for making filthy porn, they can't really sling any mud at you.
  • Re:Criminals (Score:2, Insightful)

    by cold fjord (826450) on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @01:36PM (#45899225)

    Some criminals claim to be irish, so we should unlawfully surveil, harass and frame all the irish people.

    Some criminals claim to be leftists, so we should unlawfully surveil, harass and frame all the leftist people.

    Some criminals claim to be anarchists and one guy can burn down the capitol building, so we should enact emergency laws to surveil, harass, frame, and imprison all the anarchists. ...

    Difference? Nope. The rule of law and fundamental freedoms exist for a reason.

    If you want the rule of law you actually have to enforce the law. Too many people here want the rule, but not the enforcement.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @02:19PM (#45899789)

    Come on, tell us exactly how these terrorists destroyed America 40 years ago by telling Americans they were being spied on by America.

    They weren't terrorists engaged in violence, and they didn't destroy America. The crimes they committed were more or less breaking and entering, and theft of documents.

    The actual terrorists engaged in a campaign of violence [zombietime.com] at the time were the Weather Underground [zombietime.com]. They had a goal of violently overthrowing the US government and economic system to replace it with revolutionary communism. If you read the very bottom section of the second link, the transcript, you can see how far they were prepared to go to accomplish it. I've heard numbers like that before, and you should too. [youtube.com]

    Shall we commence with the ironic moderation?

    And thus you descend from transparency into ludicrousity.

    You're attempting to twist Snowden into the role of Al-Qaeda, denying him the position alongside those long-ago whistleblowers as a defender of freedom.

    Yes, the Weathermen and the Panthers and others of their ilk were a matter of national concern and rightfully targets of FBI investigation. But the FBI was more than just the nation's domestic investigative body, it was also J. Edgar Hoover's personal fiefdom. He didn't simply lead it, he steered it to his own private benefit and the benefit of those leaders whom he wished to favor. That included absurd attempts to link public figures that he disapproved of to enemies of the State for the purposes of character assasination. Not just terrorists, no. Even the Godless Evil Communists! He also worked as a chilling effect against many organizations that were otherwise inclined to be peaceful, stirring up division and mistrust to the point where you pretty much had to be a committed radical to even consider getting invoved.

    Then, as now, what was meant to serve the public was being distorted to meet other agendas. And then, as now, the lid needed to be ripped off and the roaches exposed to the light of day.

    And somehow, we survived it.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @02:25PM (#45899863)

    What you describe is almost the polar opposite of what Snowden actually did.

  • Cold shill (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 08, 2014 @03:05PM (#45900293)

    So, let's try to bring the shill back on topic. We aren't talking about the Weather Underground. I don't think that there has ever been any outrage over the FBI monitoring them.

    The better example is MLK, who clearly represented a non-violent shake up of our system. By diverting resources to focus on MLK, they endangered the whole country. These enforcers aren't here to protect us or our constitution - they only exist to protect the system. And they'll still be protecting the system as we descend into the tyranny that they have lined up for us.

    So CF, do you shill for them because they have dirt on you or are you just a nihilist who wants to watch America crumble under the iron heel?

     

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