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Russia Plans To Extend Edward Snowden's Asylum 315

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mendax writes "The New York Times reports, 'Russia plans to extend its offer of asylum to Edward J. Snowden beyond August, a Russian lawmaker said Friday at the World Economic Forum ... The lawmaker, Aleksei K. Pushkov, chairman of the foreign affairs committee in Russia's lower house of Parliament, hinted during a panel discussion that the extension of temporary refugee status for Mr. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor, might be indefinite. "He will not be sent out of Russia," Mr. Pushkov said. "It will be up to Snowden."'" Snowden said yesterday that going back to the U.S. is not an option because of the country's poor whistleblower protections "which through a failure in law did not cover national security contractors like [him]." He added, "This is especially frustrating, because it means there’s no chance to have a fair trial, and no way I can come home and make my case to a jury."
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Russia Plans To Extend Edward Snowden's Asylum

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  • Re:Come stand trial. (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 24, 2014 @07:36PM (#46062677)

    The problem is that the way the laws are written, he would not be able to mount an effective defense against the charges. He would only be allowed to (basically) answer the circumstances around his alleged taking of those NSA files and would be forbidden from bringing any sort of argument regarding the public's right to know, the government's own wrongdoing exposed by those leaked files, and such and so forth. He is obviously guilty of taking the files so it is a guaranteed guilty verdict.

    There is no point for him to return until the laws allow for some type of whistleblower or public interest defense, which they currently do not.

  • by rwa2 (4391) * on Friday January 24, 2014 @08:16PM (#46063005) Homepage Journal

    Yep, this was handled yesterday in: http://news.slashdot.org/story... [slashdot.org]

    http://online.wsj.com/news/art... [wsj.com]

    Highlights:
    In the Thomas Drake case, the administration retroactively marked documents as classified, saying, 'he knew they should have been classified.'
    In the Bradley Manning case, the jury wasn't allowed to see what information was leaked.

  • by Taco Cowboy (5327) on Friday January 24, 2014 @09:18PM (#46063403) Journal

    My remark was more about equating Putin and Obama's behavior toward dissidents than it was about Snowden himself.

    This world is occupied by 4.5 big thugs - China, Russia, USA, Japan, plus UK, which can only be rated as 0.5big, since they are living in their past glory.

    USA is trying its best to hunt down Snowden. Japan and Britain are USA's lap dogs.

    That leave China and Russia being the two entities left in this planet big and fierce and crazy enough to stand against USA.

    So, where do you want Snowden to go ?

    Sweden ? that another lap dog of USA ?

    Bolivia ? Whose presidential plane was forced grounded by yet another USA lap dog (Spain) ?

    I know very well (and I am not the only one in this) that Russia is far from the ideal location for Snowden to seek refuge in, but short of a miracle (that Obama and all his gang of traitors are thrown to jail), Mr. Edward Snowden is facing a stark future of being on the run all his life.

  • One more thing (Score:4, Informative)

    by dbIII (701233) on Friday January 24, 2014 @11:00PM (#46063955)
    Take a look at the subsequent careers of the lawyers that defended people in GITMO to get another angle on how unfair it would be. Some of them moved out of the USA so they could get work instead of being unemployed on a blacklist.
  • by cold fjord (826450) on Saturday January 25, 2014 @01:21AM (#46064633)

    Japan gives a lot of aid and comfort to the other thug nations. It's like helping someone dump a body and cover their tracks.

    Japan has long been one of the more generous nations for foreign aid and its military has been pretty much limited to almost purely national defense of Japan itself since WW2. Although they can be highly competitive in business, I think it is hard to build a good case that Japan is currently a "thug" nation. Taco Cowboy's comment I can understand as Chinese anti-Japanese sentiment that has existed since at least the 1930s. But yours?

    China and Russia aren't especially friendly to Japan, whereas the US is. That leaves you portraying the US and UK as thugs, but not necessarily China or Russia. (The current Chinese regime is the same one that killed 60,000,000 of its own people and is trying to seize territory held by Japan even while it (China) is trying to claim the entire South China Sea [wsj.com] as its territory, stepping on its neighbors.)

    So you are basically condemning your own country again, seemingly above others, and it isn't clear why. The influence of school reading assignments, perhaps? [amazon.com] It's a pity that contemporary American education tends to be unfavorable towards some views [amazon.com].

    American History 101 [nationalreview.com]

    National Review Online:So how different is your history of the United States from, say, Howard Zinn’s?

    Larry Schweikart: They are as different as night and day. We assume that people usually mean what they say; that they don’t always have hidden motivations; and that ideas are more important than “class” or “race” or “gender.” Under more normal times, our book would simply be entitled, A History of the United States, because it is accurate.

    NRO:So a “Patriot’s Guide” isn’t all good?

    Schweikart: Absolutely not. As we say in the intro/jacket flap, we reject “My Country, Right or Wrong,” but we equally reject “My Country, Always Wrong.” I think you’ll find us quite critical of such aspects of our past-such as the Founders’ unwillingness to actually act on slavery on at least three separate occasions; or about Teddy Roosevelt’s paternalistic regulations and his anti-business policies. On the other hand, as conservatives, we nevertheless destroy the myth that FDR “knew” about the Pearl Harbor attack in advance. Instead, we try to always put the past in the context of the time–why did people act then as they did, and was that typical?

    History Lies [nationalreview.com]

  • by Taco Cowboy (5327) on Saturday January 25, 2014 @01:32AM (#46064681) Journal

    I mean, we can talk all day and say that Snowden made great personal sacrifices, but did anyone ever ask why he was working with the NSA in the first damn place?

    Yes, I did, and because I did ask that question, I did some research into how what Snowden had done, and how he managed to get into that little circle under the NSA canopy.

    Unlike most regular posters in /., Mr. Edward Snowden didn't graduate from some fancy university, in fact, he didn't even have a high school diploma !!

    Mr. Edward Snowden studied at Anne Arundel Community College to gain the credits necessary to obtain a high-school diploma but he did not complete the coursework.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E... [wikipedia.org]

    Mr. Snowden's first step action in his infiltration into the NSA circle was working as a Security Guard guarding the building in which NSA's contractors was using.

    From that position he gets to know people who work with the NSA contractors, and he gets to know what kind of position is opened.

    Once he learned that the NSA contractor needed sys-admins, Mr. Snowden studied very hard, self-study style, all the computer/network related skills needed to be employable as a sysadmin.

    From there he gained entry to the NSA contractor's computer systems, and from there he gained access to the - alleged - millions of secret files.

    I have analysed what Snowden did and I was very impressed with his determination and his other skill in hiding his real intention very very well ! That takes a lot of pre-planning, a lot of self-control, and a helluva load of patience.

    As have stated, Mr. Snowden wasn't a kid from a "high caste" of the American society. In fact, his family background, - if I am allowed to put it, and advanced apology to Mr. Snowden and his family for stating the fact - has been routinely categorized as "White Trash" by many Sociologists.

    But yet, unlike millions of others, Mr. Snowden loves his country, and it's His Pure Love Of The Country that he did whatever he had to do in order to gain access to the secretive evidences of the illegal activities of the Government of the United States so that he can expose it to his fellow citizens, in the hope that, one day, his beloved country may be better.

    True, he worked under the canopy of NSA, and true, NSA is part of the totally despicable regime which is ruling over the nation of the United States of America.

    But without getting inside the NSA, how was Edward Snowden going to gain the SOLID evidences of the dastard deeds which the invalid government of the United States of America has committed.

    It has been well known for many of us that the USA is no longer free. On the surface it is, but deep inside too many damn dirty things had happened, and we, the citizens, couldn't do a squat about it.

    There had been rumors floating around on the many secret programs that were in violation of the Constitution of the United States, but without solid evidences, there is NOTHING to proof.

    Before Mr. Snowden's revelation, every single time when I talk to others about the (then alleged) secret programs people looked at me as if I am one of those nuts who believe in conspiracy theories.

    It is because of Mr. Snowden, and thanks to his solid evidences, that today, even people who previously pooh-pooh at me whenever I talked about the illegality of the US government are coming to me to talk about the very matter that previously they thought were conspiracies.

    Last, but not least, remember the adage:

    "Judge not, lest thou be judged"

    You have unfairly judged Mr. Edward Snowden due to his working under the NSA program. Unless you want to be judged by others the same way you have judged Mr. Snowden, I suggest that you begin your own path of redemption.

  • Re:Come stand trial. (Score:4, Informative)

    by shutdown -p now (807394) on Saturday January 25, 2014 @03:03AM (#46064989) Journal

    The US bill of rights and constitution only applies to US citizens.

    Did you even read it? It says "persons" or "people" everywhere, except for the qualifications of office for president, senators and representatives, the federal supremacy clause, and the privileges and immunities clause, where it says "citizens". So the distinction is quite explicit and obviously intentional.

    There's plenty of judicial precedent here, as well. Any person in US jurisdiction, whether citizen or not, has the rights and freedoms outlined in the Constitution, except for those few that are exclusively reserved to citizens.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 25, 2014 @01:01PM (#46066753)

    You do realize Republicans only want reform when Democrats are in power right? As soon as they get power (as has been repeatedly proven by every Republican administration in the past couple decades), the status quo becomes even MORE hardened against change. More war, more surveillance, more freedom shrinking laws, more militarization, more subsidies for the wealthy and more punishment for the poor.

[Crash programs] fail because they are based on the theory that, with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby a month. -- Wernher von Braun

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