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YouTube Music Subscription Details Leak 71

Posted by Soulskill
from the hitting-some-of-the-right-notes dept.
Several readers sent word that Android Police has leaked details about YouTube's upcoming subscription service, Music Key. The benefits for users will include ad-free music, offline playback, and audio-only streams. It's expected to cost $10 per month. "Of course, one of Music Key's major value propositions is that users will have access not just to official discographies, but to concert footage, covers, and remixes. Play Music already houses some remixes and covers, but YouTube as a platform is significantly more open and workable for derivative content — the platform is much easier to add content to, and user discoverability is substantially different from Play Music." Others note Google still has to negotiate terms with many independent musicians, who could subsequently see their work blocked if they aren't willing to play by Google's rules.
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YouTube Music Subscription Details Leak

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  • by bobjr94 (1120555) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @06:30PM (#47707531) Homepage
    There are many websites now you copy and paste a youtube link, then gives you an mp3 file. And there are browser ad-ons that download full videos for later viewing and can also do conversion to mp3 audio. Anyway, I don't like how this is sounding, next youtube will want money to view videos in HD or some other type of premium feature. Thats how XM radio started, you pay a low price for ad free music, then after several years more and more channels started playing ads and prices went up.
    • Thats how XM radio started, you pay a low price for ad free music, then after several years more and more channels started playing ads and prices went up.

      Counter anecdote is di.fm/sky.fm. Prices have gone up, but not significantly. No ads after several years,

    • by alen (225700)

      and how much time is it taking you to copy and paste dozens of hundreds of links?

      • by cdrudge (68377)

        You are really overestimating the amount of work that could be required. Applications like Couchpotato for movies make it as simple as visit IMDB and you can quickly queue up an entire artist's career with just a few quick clicks. Headphones is similar for music, but not quite the same. I don't imagine it would be too hard to something similar to Couchpotato once an organized source becomes readily available.

      • You don't have to copy and paste anything. Just save them to a playlist and most apps will ripp the entire list in one click.
    • by mythosaz (572040)

      Other than the rebroadcasted major market channels KIIS and Z100 on channels 11 and 12, what music channels are playing commercials?

      Channel 76 and below (except 11/12) are all still commercial free. I can't speak for 77-79 (kids), and some of the 140+ Latino channels, but...

      What music channels, exactly, are playing commercials on XM?

      • In my 3 month trial, I didn't hear commercials on any music stations. Just all the talk, news and comedy channels have commercials. Which is why I passed on paying.
      • by cdrudge (68377)

        They aren't commercials, but I hate the DJs between songs. I just wish they would play songs, one after another. I don't care about whatever drivel they want to talk about as if they were real DJs.

        And while I know you said music stations, if you ever go to one of the talk stations, commercials are awful. ESPN radio seems to be about 50/50 mix between actual talk and commercials. I understand SiriusXM doesn't have control over ESPN's inserted ads, but the ones that SiriusXM plays in the spots where local

        • by mythosaz (572040)

          I'm not fond of the length of time that the DJ's talk either. At most, "Thanks was X by Y, and he'll be in New York on Tuesday. Now here's Z." At most. They tend to prattle on. :/

          I simply wanted to counter the argument that the poster above made that "ad free music" had gone away on XM/Sirius. It hasn't.

          FWIW, most of the channels I listen to are long-form talk, and most of the commercials are large blocks at the ends of the hours. ...and yes, they're all lowest-common-denominator sort of ads, but that

        • by gmhowell (26755)

          None of those complaints addressed the original claims: commercial free stations that started playing commercials.

          And while the trucking company ads can get annoying, I'd be willing to bet a huge proportion of truckers have Sirus and/or XM in the cab (having been one myself).

      • by gmhowell (26755)

        Other than the rebroadcasted major market channels KIIS and Z100 on channels 11 and 12, what music channels are playing commercials?

        Channel 76 and below (except 11/12) are all still commercial free. I can't speak for 77-79 (kids), and some of the 140+ Latino channels, but...

        What music channels, exactly, are playing commercials on XM?

        Stop screwing up the nerdrage with pointless facts.

  • Buy a Nintendo Wii-U and use the (stock) free YouTube app. As a bonus, you also get a Nintendo Wii-U.

    • The benefits for users will include [...] offline playback

      Buy a Nintendo Wii-U and use the (stock) free YouTube app.

      I thought YouTube just errored out and displayed "The content owner has not made this video available on mobile" on an attempt to view a monetized video on a platform that doesn't enforce ad viewing. Besides, good luck carrying your Wii U with you and using it offline.

      • by Narcocide (102829)

        Unavailability for using it offline is a valid point, however the former issue about videos "not being available on mobile" is not a problem while using the stock YouTube app. While its possible that is an issue that was fixed/patched more recently than I have tested, I suspect you're confusing the behavior of the stock Wii-U YouTube app with surfing to youtube.com directly with the stock Wii-U browser, which is problematic on any site requiring Flash versions later than about 7.x or 8.x - similar to the s

        • however the former issue about videos "not being available on mobile" is not a problem while using the stock YouTube app.

          It was some time ago when I used the stock YouTube apps for Android and iOS. I don't currently own a Wii U on which to test, but I have read a policy document [google.com] stating that YouTube allows the partner uploader or a Content ID claimant to block videos from being viewed on "non-monetized platforms". Does "1-800-KIRBYCIDE" [youtube.com], a popular fan video for "Doctor Online" by Zeromancer, play on Wii U?

          • by Narcocide (102829)

            I didn't check yet, but that video doesn't even show an ad on PC... most youtube videos in question with ads are the ones with copyrighted songs. You just spamming a malware-laden flash video or something?

          • by Narcocide (102829)

            Sorry, I apologize for accusing you of phishing/malware distribution. Yes, it plays fine on the Wii-U stock YouTube app for me at least as of just now when I checked it. It also plays fine on my Linux box, in both cases with no ads. I can summarize from this that you can't conflate the Wii-U YouTube app's behavior with that of mobile devices, though I guess its technically unclear whether that is a hardware issue or a difference in YouTube policy at this point. (Note that despite alot of derisive commen

            • by tepples (727027)

              Yes, the Wii U has an ARM processor used as an I/O processor, but games actually run on a separate multi-core application processor derived from a PowerPC G3. Conceptually it resembles the ARM9/ARM7 setup of the DS, PowerPC/ARM setup of the original Wii, or the big.LITTLE setup [wikipedia.org] that ARM is trying to push in mobile.

              But I was referring only to YouTube policy. Thanks for testing the video.

              • by Narcocide (102829)

                I think that in reference to my original post, I only regarded YouTube policy as relevant in to videos with ads attached by default, which I *do* get on my Linux box still when visiting youtube.com, just like on Windows. So far I have *not* found any ads on *any* videos through the Wii-U YouTube app, nor have I found any videos that will refuse to play on the Wii-U app that do play on the Linux box, even ones that show ads on the Linux box.

              • by Narcocide (102829)

                Its also worth noting, now that I understand where your actual concern lies, the ARM chip in the controller isn't actually used to decode video. The whole point of the custom 5ghz wireless connection from the main console is in fact so that it can stream full-framerate decoded video TO the screen on the controller, in case the console itself is not connected to an actual TV display directly (or if it is simply off - as it is designed to be optional for most purposes) though when you use the stock web brows

              • by Narcocide (102829)

                Sigh, but now that I test a few other videos I'd tested before there are some ads now, so I guess i'm just wrong and they simply originally didn't have ads. Nevermind me, sorry.

    • by Zynder (2773551)
      You say all of that like it's a good thing. The problem is you end up with a Wii-U!
  • Sorry google, you missed the bus on the music thing. Play Music is a flop because it's competing in a saturated market where everyone has picked a pony already. Unless you're gonna offer some earth shattering new thing Music Key will be a (relative) flop also.

    • Sorry google, you missed the bus on the music thing.

      Except the reverse is true. Music subscriptions are not on most peoples radar. Google hold a dominant position in the largest OS in the world on the most popular music devices in the world, and ownes the largest (Music) Video Site (in fact that is the whole point about the indie artist dispute) on the most used music player in the world. It is a market of few large players, and a large player like Google is eg. Microsoft with Xbox.

      The only real question is how do they do it without bringing into question an

      • by gatfirls (1315141)

        I kinda thought that same thing with Google+.

        Microsoft with Xbox is not really analogous. They came out with a completely new device with new games. Music Key (sounds like) just another content delivery service.

        Who knows maybe they will bring something new to the table.

  • ~USD70 per annum for ad-free listening. I'd be happy to pay double that if and ONLY if the extra went straight to artists, i.e. not via licencing/royalty agents.

    You can listen to most of the stations for free, if you're happy to hear the ads.

    Unfortunately, their recent website re-design is dreadful. I play it via an eeePC, and the website does not scale very well to a small screen. The standalone player for Windows is OK, but the android app doesn't behave - long connect times, lots of dropouts and crashes.

  • Apologies in advance if this was answered in TFA, but are they planning to provide lossless formats as an option? I'm hoping to avoid having to rip my large CD collection to FLAC due to the amount of time that would take, and would gladly pay decent prices to a service or sale that offers lossless. Recommendations are welcome.
  • If I'm only paying nine dollars to watch movies and TV shows on Netflix, why is music costing more than that?

    The old media companies better wake up real fucking soon, otherwise they're history.

    • by turp182 (1020263)

      The library is probably substantial, and that involves a lot of licensing expenses. Netflix is probably paying less for licensing, and offering a much more narrow selection.

    • by gatfirls (1315141)

      The people who don't feel like paying 2500$ per song after the fact.

    • Someone who doesn't want to become the next Jammie Thomas [wikipedia.org].
    • by Rinikusu (28164)

      My friends and I enjoy sharing old music videos with one another and Youtube has been great for finding these, especially early new-wave/gothrock from the early 80s. Many european bands failed to "make it over" and it's like finding a treasure box.. Part of me wants to start ripping these old finds before they come down in the pursuit of money just so I have them around.

  • by joocemann (1273720) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @08:20PM (#47708285)

    ... a couple months ago. Youtube made a huge push in collaboration with the major record labels to set up deals with the major labels and de-prioritize or remove videos from independent artists. This push was questioned at the time, but Google/Youtube was wise to hide the *reason* for a couple month so as to 'disconnect' the two concepts from the non-diligent news reader.

    Do no evil? How about "Do profit, f*** you". Why did youtube force all users to have accounts? Why is youtube turning into one commercial after another? Why is google more interested in the interests of big money corporate business than the interests of its viewers and its original content providers? By 'original content providers', I'm talking about how Youtube got its start (and still so up until recently) from user-generated content. Youtube made widely available the videos that used to be mass e-mailed around to friends. And now? What is this? A walled garden from the very people pretending to support the open-internet and wild-west style of the internet that surfers of the 90s are trying to remember. Google/Youtube is a liar. Money trumps 'good', and thus 'evil' prevails. They need to change their motto before they start being laughed at like Fox News - Fair and Balanced.

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