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Firefox 32 Arrives With New HTTP Cache, Public Key Pinning Support

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  • by smitty_one_each (243267) * on Tuesday September 02, 2014 @07:00PM (#47812019) Homepage Journal
    Firefox, bagel and lox
    Breakfast of champions handy
    And aftershave that makes men brave
    When over Macho Grande [youtube.com]
    Burma Shave
  • by Anonymous Coward

    This ran a day or two ago, yesterday, or day before.

  • Firefox32 (Score:2, Troll)

    by alexhs (877055)

    Will the next version be Firefox64 ?
    When will we go back to Firefox ONE ?

  • First impressions (Score:5, Informative)

    by whereiswaldo (459052) on Tuesday September 02, 2014 @07:10PM (#47812127) Journal

    Just installed the latest Firefox and did a bit of random surfing. First impression: noticeably faster than before, probably even on par with Chrome.

    • by SeaFox (739806)

      How does it compare to Pale Moon, though? Performance and not liking Australias was my main reason for changing to Pale Moon.
      Since Pale Moon can no longer sync with my Firefox on other machines (one of which is my laptop I cannot use Pale Moon on), and the Classic Theme Restorer undoes most of the UX damage, I'm wavering to dropping Pale Moon.

      • Just realized that Pale Moon now has a release for Linux...compiling that now. I'd always been interested but left out b/c I'm a Linux user.

    • It's been as fast a Chrome for years. It's only Google fanbois on Slashdot who really say otherwise... Though I get the impression that maybe it is slightly different under Windows so maybe that's why some think it's slow. Most of the badness was quickly eliminated after FF4, and the UI changes are really just a storm in a teacup (they haven't changed the way I use FF at all).
      • by Anonymous Coward

        Not sure what platform you're using, but Firefox is (or, was) slow on Mac as well. Chrome was obviously faster, and that's my impression -- someone who rarely uses Chrome.

      • Sorry, only your impression. When I use Firefox on a weaker computer, the speed difference compared to Chrome is obvious. The detail is that a current machine is usually fast enough to hide this difference (but it still exists).
        • by Anonymous Coward

          Oddly enough, on my slower machines I find Firefox runs all that much faster than Chrome. It's definitely a case where certain hardware and software configurations will lead to varying results.

      • by Lord Crc (151920)

        While Firefox is fast when it's fast, unlike Chrome a single tab can bog down your entire browsing session since it's only using a single process.

        The same single process also runs out of memory if there's a crappy javascript on a page, and closing the offending tab does not help. For example FinalBuilder build overview page leaks about 2GB per day on my machine, taking Firefox with it if I don't remember to restart it before then. Quite tedious.

        I strongly dislike Chrome for other reasons and have stuck with

        • by Reziac (43301) *

          I use SeaMonkey (and PaleMoon when something insists on Firefox) and frankly it has a lot of the same problems. The newest incarnation of Google maps in particular has regularly stalled and crashed it, and run memory up over 1GB which it does not always return when the page is closed. It appears in part a byproduct of the cache structure (with no cache, the problem isn't as bad), and that may be filesystem-affected.

      • I'm certainly no fan of Google nor Chrome/Chromium. However, it's ALWAYS been very obviously faster than Firefox, in my experience. FF caught up (as far as my perception goes, anyways) with the release of Australis -- it's now about on par with chrome though still slightly slower. Just an opinion from someone who's not a fan of either browser.

  • This stuff looks interesting. I can't wait until they fold it into Palemoon.

    Because coolness of the technology aside, everything else about Firefox is increasingly pissing me off.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      This stuff looks interesting. I can't wait until they fold it into Palemoon.

      This.

      The funny thing is, I've got plenty of RAM. I got more consistent performance out of Firefox 3.6 (without Flash installed, Javashit disabled for 99% of my web browsing, and yes, I know the Javashit engine for 3.x was teh suck) than I have out of recent Firefox builds. Currently on Palemoon 24.x, and noticed it lagging when paging up/down through static text content after about 2-3 days of continuous use. Firefox 3 never had

  • by AbRASiON (589899) * on Tuesday September 02, 2014 @08:17PM (#47812753) Journal

    I post in EVERY Slashdot firefox article, whining for the same thing.
    LESS focus on UI / features, MORE focus on stability / performance.
    I've been using FireFox since the name it had before FireFox (I've forgotten it) - I think I used it since version 1 or god knows what.

    For about the last 12 months, maybe 18, Firefox has become completely unstable for "extreme" browsers like me. I run anywhere from 30 to 150 tabs open at a time. I'd say a nice average would be around 60 tabs. When I'm researching something (often multiple things) I like to google what I'm reading, middle click open in the background the first 5 results. Then when on a forum, I'll middle click open 5 more results and so on. I like having those tabs queued up in the background for me to read.
    You might think "well there's the cause of your stability problem!!" except this never used to happen. 18 months ago you could hit 200 tabs without FF crashing. Now, I'm scared to open more than 60. This is across multiple machines too.

    I've even tried switching to WaterFox, no dice - I'm still able to crash FF regularly and I run very few addons either.
    It's good to see the http cache changes, so they are working on performance but stability should be the #1 focus.
    Oddly enough, I get exactly the same symptoms in Firefox for Android as I do Windows for fucks sake. If I hit enough tabs (about 8 on my Galaxy S3) - FF for Android shits the bed, presumably because it's out of ram and can't page well or something. Worst part is FF for Android doesn't remember my open tabs either. Miserable.

    They've fiddled and fucked with the UI, replicating Chrome as much as they can (ugh!) for years, now can they stop? If I wanted ugly goddamn chrome I'd install it.
    PLEASE fix the stability, PLEASE make it faster. I don't care how much ram it uses, I just want a modern experience with my browser.

    • by Ash-Fox (726320)

      I have a similar amount of tabs as you and have no issues.

    • If you have that many tabs open you NEED flashblack and adblock+. Flash is super crash happy, and ads are a huge issue too. I similarly open many tabs often a couple hundred before I go through and clear them out (I do news feeds), and with those two things I might get a crash once every 2-3 months.
    • I have similar browsing habbits and none of these problems. I'm on Linux though.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      I've noticed them working hard to improve all of the things you complain about in every damn thread that has even the more remotely tangential association with Firefox. I honestly can't tell why you would STILL be using Firefox if you're this upset about it.

      I say this because for a lark, I tried to use Firefox 3 the other day, for the full day. It crashed. A lot. It was slow. It used quite a bit more CPU and RAM then Chrome or even the latest Firefox and could barely handle some modern web apps, if at all.

    • They are fixing your issues, if only incidentally. A number of the latest security fixes have been related to bad code continuing to use objects that were freed, which causes crashes in the best case and enables remote code execution in the worst. As they continue to find and fix these bugs, crash probability is bound to decrease on average
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      If you have that man tabs open at the same time, you don't need a better browser. You need to learn to focus.

      • by AmiMoJo (196126) *

        He needs to learn to use Google. If he has to open so many results, and then follow so many links in forum threads to find the information he wants then he needs to use better search terms. That's what Google is for, to reduce all the leg work.

    • Have you tried creating a new profile and comparing speed? There have been a number of Firefox issues caused by certain profile data. How about disabling all addons and trying again? Do both of those things and see how that compares, then narrow down the options.

      • by AbRASiON (589899) *

        Yep done the new profile thing, no luck. As for the dude asking about FlashBlock and AdBlock - of course, I only run about 5 addons and that's 2 of them.

    • by bill_mcgonigle (4333) * on Tuesday September 02, 2014 @09:57PM (#47813325) Homepage Journal

      "extreme" browsers like me. I run anywhere from 30 to 150 tabs open at a time. I'd say a nice average would be around 60 tabs

      It's not Firefox and that's not extreme. I was just doing some Javascript profiling this weekend on slow performance with 1630 tabs (Tree Style Tabs, of course), with the winners for CPU eaters being HTTPS Everywhere 4.0's SSLObservatory and SessionRestore.

      As much as I appreciate the EFF's efforts, I wound up disabling 4.0. Maybe 4.0.1 will be back with a vengeance.

      Anyway, Firefox wasn't crashing, it was slow. Probably one of your in-profile databases got corrupted at some point ('restore from backup' is the most likely "fix"). I'm on Fedora 20, running stock Firefox.

      • by chihowa (366380) *

        Were you doing that for testing purposes or do you actually have that many tabs open on purpose?

        Since there's no way you could actually look at all of them in a single day, perhaps you'd be better off with bookmarks than actual open tabs. What benefit do you get from having the actual pages loaded and running their rogue javascript in the background? Have you downloaded the entire web to your hard drive, too, instead of just fetching the relevant pages as you need them?

        Genuinely curious... (though that last

      • by AbRASiON (589899) *

        Well, I do use the session restore functionality, perhaps that's the problem? Maybe I can manually adjust some settings on the frequency of session saves or the amount of back pages it remembers?

        • Once in a while I clean out all open tabs (like 2-3 times a month). Firefox is still not as stable as the latest version on 10.04, so there's definitely something going on. Some have said (here) that it's my hardware. The most likely suspect is that when I switched to Ubuntu 14.04 (and got a way less stable Fx and Thunderbird as a rewards) I also switched to AHCI. Maybe that's buggy on a Dell Vostro 200ST. So soon I am going to do a reinstall and switch AHCI off. The only other difference is that I now have
      • by _xeno_ (155264)

        I never understand how people manage to keep that many tabs open because Firefox regularly corrupts its own session and refuses to restore the previously open tabs. Routinely.

        So every couple of weeks I "get" to reset all my tabs back to nothing when Firefox corrupts its own session and refuses to restore the original settings.

        And this is on every OS I've used Firefox: Windows, Linux, Mac OS X; it makes no difference, Firefox regularly refuses to restore tabs.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          I never understand how people manage to keep that many tabs open because Firefox regularly corrupts its own session and refuses to restore the previously open tabs.

          People manage to do that because for most of them firefox does not regularly corrupt its own session.
          You've got something weird going on, if you want it fixed you should try to narrow it down to the minimum configuration necessary to repeat it and then submit a bug report explaining how to repeat it.

        • Not my experience but probably has to do that I clear out all tabs regularly (2-3x month). Fx is unstable, here, however (Ubuntu 14.04). More than latest on 10.04, which I was running until recently.
    • Try a nightly desktop build with electrolysis enabled.

      It's supposed to isolate each tab.

    • I run anywhere from 30 to 150 tabs open at a time. I'd say a nice average would be around 60 tabs.

      I really cannot think of a reasonable workflow where that would make sense but I'm not trying to judge. As long as you are aware that you are doing something that almost nobody else does or even thinks is a good idea then go for it. Could be useful as a stress test I guess. I've been using Firefox (and Mozilla and Netscape before that) for a long long time and I've never seen behavior like what you describe but then I never thought it was a good idea to have 150 tabs open at once either.

      My question would

      • by AbRASiON (589899) *

        I've isolated the problem perfectly, through a decade of exactly the same behaviour and the issues have only been serious for 12 months.
        Across multiple machines.

        I'm very boring, I've run the same addons for the best part of 3 years to boot as well.
        The problem is firefox.

        • by sjbe (173966)

          I've isolated the problem perfectly

          I'm dubious given the vague description of how to reproduce the problem. (open lots of tabs is not a lot of detail) However if so then then can I assume you have reported the problem to the folks at Mozilla with appropriate step by step details on how to reproduce the exact problem? It's not clear to me that they would worry much about running 200 tabs at once since almost nobody actually does that but there certainly could be a problem worth fixing.

          I'm very boring, I've run the same addons for the best part of 3 years to boot as well.

          And those addons have never been updated or changed and

        • I think the thing people are questioning is the "It's when I open a lot of tabs" comment.

          Here's the thing. It may not be. I know this because every now and again I too prune the tabs. And for a while, it looks like that's solved the problem. Only the memory issues suddenly flare up again. And usually they do when I open lots more tabs... but sometimes not.

          After a long while I tried using about:memory and looking at the reports it gave. This showed me that many web pages I'd assumed were problematic, fo

      • I really cannot think of a reasonable workflow where that would make sense but I'm not trying to judge

        The workflow is pretty much anyone who has to wear multiple hats during the day. Think of open tabs in background windows as short-term bookmarks.

        One browser window with half a dozen tabs to keep an eye on the internal ticket system. Another window open with a dozen tabs to track stats on jobs in-progress across multiple days (so that you can just alt-tab to that window, glance through the tabs, rath
    • Try FireFox Nightly, 64bit, and go to about:config and enable (True) "browser.tabs.remote.autostart" which activates Electrolysis [mozilla.org] ::

      The goal of the project is to run web content in a separate process from Firefox itself. The two major advantages of this model are security and performance. Security would improve because the content processes could be sandboxed (although sandboxing the content processes is a separate project from Electrolysis). Performance would improve because the browser UI would not be aff

    • I just want to confirm this. Until a few months ago I ran Firefox on Ubuntu 10.04; worked great, rarely crashes and most of those rare crashes had to do with multimedia stuff (Flash, or Fx using VLC). On 14.04 I have nearly daily 1 or 2 crashes. Sometimes even when I don't interact with Firefox. Thunderbird has the same issue. Sometimes it's a middle click, sometimes it's something like selecting text, etc. And yes, I have 100+, sometimes 200+ tabs open in Firefox (Tree Style Tab keeps that very accessible
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Since these updates became more about upping the version number than adding anything really useful and substantive, they should seize this golden opportunity to call it Firefox 100000. Then as the updates roll on from here ...Firefox 100001, Firefox 100010, Firefox 100011, etc.

    • by bipbop (1144919)
      I wonder why they don't switch to date-based version numbers. It would make it a lot easier to keep track of versions again.
      • Just a guess, but probably would require too many changes to their build infrastructure and associated tooling to be worth the while, since version numbers aren't surfaced that much to the average user anyway.

  • Haha, sad pi (Score:4, Insightful)

    by viperidaenz (2515578) on Tuesday September 02, 2014 @08:35PM (#47812905)

    Firefox mobile: Android 2.2 and ARMv6 processor chipset no longer supported

  • Youtube Videos still continue to play even when the tab is closed. The video stops rendering sometimes yet the audio continues. The browser itself freezes a lot. I get 'firefox is running but not responding' messages all the time. I don't see the fuss. It's bloated crap IMO
  • The "new" DownloadStatusBar addon which worked around the changes in (I think) FF29... well, it's broken again. Probably I can go Googling and find an update somewhere.
  • Yup, from secuty point: something is wrong with the pinning CA, drop a fatal error message and you are ready.

    But: No option to handle the connection as a unsecured connection. If you simply want to watch the intercepted information about funny cat video, the fact that there is a man in the middle attack is not interresting.
    And: Something is alarml wrong error message. Nope, just that the connection might be intercepted, or not be from the original site. Nothing wrong with the PC of the user, but nothing he

    • It's not the first time they've done this "we know best" thing, unfortunately. There are cases involving HTTPS/HSTS where Firefox literally will not let you view a page it has decided is insecure, even if you explicitly want to ignore whatever the security problem is (for example, because it's a site you work on, and it's in active development and currently not fully configured).

      Security warnings when encountering a likely threat = good. Overriding the user's explicit wishes = bad, always.

      • by Shados (741919)

        Yup. Then developers all move to Chrome. And we all know how that ends. Oh wait, they already did, lol!

        R.I.P firefox.

        • Unfortunately, I think your post is too close to the truth the be funny...

          When all the developers move to the same platform with its non-standard implementations of everything, you get IE6.

  • If they are trying to keep up with Chrome, they better start adding those new HTML 5.1 features too.

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