Nokia To Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6 Billion 66
totalcaos sends news that Nokia has announced plans to buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6 billion worth of stock. Both companies have approved the transaction, though now they must wait for regulatory approval. They said they expect the deal to close in the first half of 2016.
The combined company is expected to become the world’s second-largest telecom equipment manufacturer behind Ericsson of Sweden, with global revenues totaling $27 billion and operations spread across Asia, Europe and North America. The companies are betting that, by joining forces, they can better compete against Chinese and European rivals bidding to provide telecom hardware and software to the world’s largest carriers, including AT&T and Verizon in the United States, Vodafone and Orange in Europe, and SoftBank in Japan. ... Analysts say that Nokia has progressively focused on its equipment unit, which now represents roughly 85 percent of the company’s annual revenue. On Wednesday, Nokia confirmed that it had put its digital maps business — a competitor for Google Maps — up for sale.
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Nokia's mobile phone business is not the whole enterprise. Far from it. :) Same with Motorola and Motorola Mobility, incidentally. Random stupid story: Visiting a friend of mine in Turku, noted that he was a complete Apple Fanboy. iPad, iPhone, iBook, the works. He doubtless has or will soon have an Apple Watch.
"Yki, what's with all the apple stuff? You're the reason Nokia is dying."
*ten seconds of silence*, "Fuck you."
Game, set, and match. :P
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That's nonsense. Stephen Elop was the reason for Nokia's downfall.
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I'm glad you interpreted my bad one line joke at the expense of a friend as an in-depth analysis of Nokia's bad business decisions.....
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I thought Turku was some alternative spelling of Turkey. :P
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It's one of the largest cities in Finland, which is the home country of Nokia....
Re:More patents for microsoft? (Score:5, Informative)
Further while Microsoft bought their mobile phone business, they have since rebranded it under the Microsoft name. No models are being released with the Nokia branding anymore - some of the old models may still carry Nokia (like my 928) but the new ones are all under the Microsoft name.
The Nokia that was left was the one that made the actual cell networks, not the phones, is the business that is buying Lucent. Nokia didn't sell their patents to Microsoft, further the patent license deal was good for "a 10-year license to its patents at the time of the closing". So any new patents that Nokia happens to gain are not available for Microsoft to use unless they do a new licensing deal.
So there is no apparent connection between Microsoft and this, nor does this grant Microsoft any more patents.
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in the "more advanced" tech circles(on slashdot) we discussed though which parts of nokia actually were sold to Microsoft(basically, the part that made windows phones), not the networks part. ironically, the networks part had been doing not so good for a few years BUT was ok and is still kind of OK when microsoft crap was dumped on nokia. Also to note, the networks part was called Nokia Siemens Networks due to a merger a while back(fairly recently the requirement to keep siemens in the name expired).
which m
AlCaLukia will be wonderful (Score:2, Funny)
They'll be selling a large number of wonderful overlapping lines of equipment in a wonderful industry with fabulous growth prospects, and they can expect dynamic leadership continuing with tradition of super-competent CEOs in the individual companies before the merger.
Should I buy 5000 or 10000 shares of stock?
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and synergies
Re:I thought MSFT bought Nokia for $7 Billion (Score:5, Insightful)
Nokia is a huge telecoms company that is most well known by consumers for making mobile phone handsets, though this was a relatively small part of their total product line. Microsoft bought the mobile handset division. Then remainder of the company has a market cap of around $30bn. This means that, including stock, they easily have enough capital to buy another company for $16bn (the $7bn in cash from MS probably helped though).
It sounds like someone at Nokia realised that mobile phones were in a race to the bottom and the profit is in the back-end infrastructure.
Re:I thought MSFT bought Nokia for $7 Billion (Score:5, Interesting)
It sounds like someone at Nokia realised that mobile phones were in a race to the bottom and the profit is in the back-end infrastructure.
Not quite. They ran their mobile phone business into the ground by clinging to yesterday at the expense of today and tomorrow. Clinging to Symbian when Android emerged was a mistake, one that they should have realized, but who wants to admit they've been out-thought? Same story as Motorola Mobility, incidentally, both outfits made superior headsets in the areas that really matter (ever try to destroy a Nokia phone? They were built like tanks. And Motorola handsets had the best radios ever made, take one alongside a Samsung into the wilderness and see who drops the connection first.....) but they failed to market them effectively and got crushed by inferior Samsung products.
Re:I thought MSFT bought Nokia for $7 Billion (Score:5, Interesting)
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Symbian still runs circles around Linux as a kernel for mobile devices
Betamax was arguably superior to VHS but that mattered not a whit once VHS had a critical mass of users.
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Betamax was inferior in one big way though: It only held up to an hour of video, meaning a typical feature length release had to be split across two tapes.
Granted they fixed this problem with a new higher capacity tape, it was only after VHS (which never had this problem) had already overwhelmed the market.
LaserDisc, which was superior to both betamax and VHS in terms of quality, also only held up to an hour of video, and thus it had the same problem Betamax originally had.
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The point is that having a superior product (which is debatable in the case of Nokia's OS, but whatever) is no guarantee of market success. Google had the critical mass to make their OS work and it's a mystery to me why Nokia couldn't see that. Or, for that matter, why Blackberry and Microsoft still can't.
Re:I thought MSFT bought Nokia for $7 Billion (Score:5, Insightful)
Having been stuck with a Lumia 521 for the past 4 days, I see exactly why Microsoft can't: It's just a watered down, crappy OS.
Its only positive side is that it runs fluid on older hardware, but other than that it just can't pull off shit. In the cases where the app you need is available for WP, the API features needed to support all of the same features it has on Android just don't exist. So nice apps I use like Endomondo are missing a shitload of features, and no amount of work on the part of the developer can change that. (A huge thing that is missing: Inter-app communication.)
Not only that, but the base OS itself is rather light on features. Little things, like for example you can't set custom tones for texts, emails, calendar events, etc.
Also the whole "live tile" system sucks ass. Live tiles aren't actually live (more like 15 minutes behind, where Android widgets ARE live) and for most apps, there's no point in the larger size, and apps that are best for lists (like a calendar agenda) work like shit compared to their Android variant because tiles can't display vertically like Android widgets can, so like the calendar tile only shows one event at a time. And then tiles that preview things (like email) flip through objects so unless you happen to look directly at it, you might not be seeing your newest email. Fortunately they (kind of) copied Android's notification system to address these shortcomings, but theirs is shitty in comparison (for example, no object grouping.)
Another thing is that the OS can't multitask for shit. If you download a file that is going to take a while, you can't do ANYTHING else, you just have to sit there and watch the progress bar. If you try to do anything else, it'll just stop the download.
It really is a lame OS. There really is no reason to use it as your daily driver unless you're just a big fan of Microsoft and/or you really hate all things Google.
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LaserDisc's biggest problem was that it was read-only. Compared to "I can watch AND record ANYTHING", the market for "I can only watch studio films" was tiny. AFAIK, the very first LaserDiscs were one hour PER SIDE, so even the first model could hold a 2-hour movie on a single disc. That was the point of its existence.
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Runs circles around how exactly?
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Nobody said how big the circle was. Maybe it's spinning in one place?
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It didn't help that building a user-facing app that worked properly and had a decent UI was beyond them.
I had an E71, what a bastard.
Re:I thought MSFT bought Nokia for $7 Billion (Score:5, Interesting)
They didn't run their mobile phone business into the ground by clinging to symbian. In fact, they had a great successor already ready: Meego. They killed themselves by: 1) switching to Windows Phone, which was already failing on the market, and at that point in time was in no way competitive 2) already declaring Symbian to be dead before they had working Windows Phones ready 3) refusing to sell the N9 in major markets also it was a clear hit and could have brought in a lot of cash 4) having Windows Phones which initially had a lot of bugs and problems 5) screwing over the few customers who bought their initial Windows phones by not upgrading to Windows Phone 8, 6) having only few very similar smartphones etc....
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There was a book called "The Fall and Decline of Nokia" (didn't read it, but read a summary) which basically said that going with Windows Phone was a (and I quote) "catastrophic mistake". Apparently they went with WP because they were afraid of competing with Samsung. However it seemed that their only two entries into Android have done rather well so far (Nokia X and Nokia N1) so that was probably a mistaken opinion. The Nokia X line only stopped because Microsoft killed it after they owned it.
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Microsoft bought Nokia's devices and services unit, not the entire company.
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Microsoft only bought one portion, the mobile phones division.
However I am a bit confused as the original Nokia Networks was merged with a Siemen's division to become Nokia Siemens Networks, an independent company (though certainly with a lot of shared board members).
No mobile devices (Score:5, Informative)
Good (Score:2)
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Wouldn't you prefer living in France?
I think op is referring to the french divisions inabillity to organize a piss up in a brewery or do anything productive for most of the summer months, but op is having to be nice because being employed at a fragmented disjointed company is still better than being unemployed.
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Dude... Get a life. That's how we live on this side of the pond. And you should too,for your own health and sanity, and that or your family.
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Yeah, you work long hours, but man, you also really waste a lot of your time in the office for the sake of looking busy and important.
Just keep repeating that myth about the lazy Europeans on the brink of financial disaster to yourselves. Those 4-6 weeks of vacation per year really are destroying the economies of Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Germany, Finland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Switzerland, UK and Ireland....right??
Navteq (Score:1)
The maps data business was Navteq, acquired for 8 billion or so. A competitor to Google, Microsoft, TomTom primarily. Be interested in seeing who pushes in the poker chips to acquire. A new player, or an old player to eliminate competition? My guess is Apple or Google or investors backing the many start-ups based on opensource routing of open street data. Ordnance Survey to get into global?
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Isn't Nokia running the mapping services that most Windows Phone users prefer? Apparently Bing Maps leaves a lot to be desired. It would probably be in Microsoft's interests to acquire it. Trouble is, it's a money loser, and so far everything Nokia has given to Microsoft is a money loser.
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So, Google gets to win at maps and we are just stuck with it? I can understand where can't very well offer free mapping software as a service for the whole planet and have multiple companies struggling to get people to use their version. I do hope for an alternate future where Google maps isn't the only game in town for mobile, but if Microsoft can't compete, I'm not sure who else ever will. It's not that I don't like Google Maps, but the less competition, the more leverage they have to disrespect our priva
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... There are going to be massive layoffs, but since the Nokia executives don't give a damn, and the frogs won't back down, all the layoffs are going to be from Usa, Finland and other places. Nokia promises to keep the HQ at Finland, but that's it. Few years go by and the HQ will have to be moved to froggieland. The same useless shit alcatel has been doing will continue, because the Nokia executives didn't learn anything from losing their mobile business.
There'll be layers and layers of useless bosses and strikes like the french like to do. The whole India thing will be repeated. Trying to layoff any french will suddenly cause weird backtaxes, that never existed before.
Nokia will be another piece of shit company.
Sounds about right. As a current employee, the power that the French gov has over businesses to keep employees has been a damper on our operations. We just went through a lot of layoffs to make us presentable for sale. Now we'll likely be going through more sadly.