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Physical Books Successfully Coexisting With Ebooks 134

An anonymous reader writes: When ebooks experienced their meteoric rise a few years ago, many were predicting the death of physical books. Early sales figures seemed to bear that out — ebooks kept getting more popular, and physical books were on the decline. But over the past couple of years, sales for both types leveled off. Rather than simple additive or deleterious effects, we're now seeing how technology has altered the literary landscape in more complex ways. Serials are returning, authors are able to more directly keep in contact with readers, and networks are developing to keep independent bookstores afloat. Libraries are being supplemented by companies who offer free access to ebooks at certain Wi-Fi hotspots. So, given that the changes so far have been less dramatic and more interesting than predicted, where do you think the ebook/physical-book situation will be in another 10 years?
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  • by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M ( 4212163 ) on Friday August 14, 2015 @12:38PM (#50317047)
    Physical book? What the hell is that? Do you mean an ebook you printed with your home printer?
    • by Trepidity ( 597 ) <[gro.hsikcah] [ta] [todhsals-muiriled]> on Friday August 14, 2015 @12:46PM (#50317121)

      There's no need to use a home printer nowadays. With the rise of ecommerce, you can order a nicely preprinted copy online and have it delivered!

      • No, just go to the local maker space (remember, used to be a K-Mart?) and have them print you a printer that makes hard copies. Don't forget to stop by Whole Foods for the shade-grown lignin pellets.

      • And when it arrives, you should scan it, so that you can archive an electronic copy as a backup. That way, if you ever need to replace it, you can just 3D print the whole thing.

        • And when it arrives, you should scan it, so that you can archive an electronic copy as a backup. That way, if you ever need to replace it, you can just 3D print the whole thing.

          I always fax it to myself on blue paper.

    • I still prefer physical books when it comes to technical references. It just seems easier to me to have a 3 dimensional object where I can see all my book marks and can thumb directly to the page I want.

      I prefer my pleasure reading to be in e-ink form. I like having an entire library of books in a single small device. Plus the backlight makes this the best low light reading option I have ever encountered.

      The only thing that needs to happen now is to get rid of the artificially high price of some e-books...

      • I prefer my pleasure reading to be in e-ink form.

        Not me. I often want my technical docs serarchable, because you can't grep a dead tree.

        However, when I'm doing leisure reading, I want old fashioned paper. When I'm on vacation I want to be able to sit by the pool with a mojito, and not have to worry about an electronic device getting killed by errant water (or rum), or worrying about the battery life.

        I can fall asleep and drop my book, and at worst I'll lose my place.

        • I often want my technical docs serarchable, because you can't grep a dead tree.

          It depends on how you want to search. I agree that for a pure reference work (particularly one you only refer to on occasion), an electronic version is often best.

          But for a reference work which I refer to frequently and/or which I tend to read larger sections of rather than just looking for the right paragraph about a particular term -- well, old-fashioned paper still wins hands down for me.

          Paper books are much more "browsable," and I'm much more likely to remember where I read something in a paper boo

  • by avandesande ( 143899 ) on Friday August 14, 2015 @12:44PM (#50317107) Journal

    I didn't think there was room in my bag for both en e-reader and a book!

  • Especially when it comes to textbooks. I used to get complimentary teacher copies from publishers, and then you'd have to lug them around, bookmark them, etc. Now I get all of my textbooks via CourseSmart [coursesmart.com], which allows you to download them for free as long as you have a teacher account. It saves a ton of time, since I don't have to fill out forms and wait for a sales rep's approval., etc. Plus, if I want to find something in my book, cmd+f is much quicker than going to the index then flipping through pages.

    • by Lumpy ( 12016 )

      I just wish they would update the Kindle DX. I love mine and I really would love the backlight and newer tech screen.

    • I leave my Paperwhite in my car. When I go on lunch break I always take it into the restaurant with me and read while I eat. I find it a very enjoyable way to push all the work related crap out of my head for an hour. It's also very handy for travel. Given it's boring nature, according to the kids, I don't get harassed into letting others use it and the battery lasts forever.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday August 14, 2015 @12:50PM (#50317153)
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    • My library has the Overdrive ebook rentals too, but so far it has never stocked any book that I wanted.

      • by jandrese ( 485 )
        I'm currently reading A Clash of Kings via Overdrive. I also read the first four books of the Culture series, a Canticle for Liebowitz, the Forever War, the Martian (the waitlist was epic for this one--good thing it is a quick read), and the Hyperion Cantos.

        Amusingly, my library offers Game of Thrones in two formats: a 4 book set with the first 4 books of A Song of Ice and Fire, and a 5 book set that also includes the most recent one. I thought they were awfully optimistic about my ability to read all
    • In the four years I've had my Kindle, my purchases of physical books has plummeted to near-zero. I used to visit a bookstore at least once a week. Right now, I cannot remember the last time I was in one. Last weekend, my wife asked me if I wanted to go to the mall -- she said I could hit the bookstore and then wait for her in the food court. I didn't go.
  • I still wear the digital watch I acquired in 1994 because it never breaks, is completely waterproof and has a battery that lasts for months. Working in tech, I like to go off the grid whenever I can and items that don't require any recharging and are hard to break, like a good paperback book, a dependable watch, and a leatherman, are what I prefer.

    Same thing when I fly (minus the leatherman) - if you've ever been in a cheap plane with no chargers and you're delayed a few hours beyond the life of your cell

    • To be fair, an e-reader lasts weeks on a charge. I very rarely (maybe never?) charge my old Kindle while on vacation - it certainly won't run out on the plane.

  • by gurps_npc ( 621217 ) on Friday August 14, 2015 @12:55PM (#50317169) Homepage
    There are only a few cases when ebooks make sense.

    Where space is limited - such as on a long vacation.

    Where the book is really big and heavy.

    But when there are diagrams/maps in a book, the ebooks fail miserably.

    When I want to read in the tub, ebooks fail.

    When I want something that can fit in my pants pocket, ebooks fail - but paperbacks deliver.

    When I want to borrow/lend a book, ebooks make it too much trouble, but a paperback is easy.

    When I want to throw a book in a backpack, paperback wins.

    • When I want to read in the tub, ebooks fail.

      To be fair, if you drop your physical book in the tub, it won't fare much better than the eBook. Actually, the eBook would fare better in a sense since you would be able to view it from another device.

      • by swillden ( 191260 ) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Friday August 14, 2015 @02:29PM (#50318009) Journal

        When I want to read in the tub, ebooks fail.

        To be fair, if you drop your physical book in the tub, it won't fare much better than the eBook. Actually, the eBook would fare better in a sense since you would be able to view it from another device.

        Put the eBook reader in a big ziploc baggie. You can read in the tub without fear of damage. You can't do this with a dead tree book; too hard to turn the pages without opening the baggie.

    • When I want to read in the tub, ebooks fail.

      And so do regular books for that matter.

      When I want something that can fit in my pants pocket, ebooks fail - but paperbacks deliver.

      er, I read ebooks on my phone, which most definitely fits in my pocket better than any paperback.

      When I want to borrow/lend a book, ebooks make it too much trouble, but a paperback is easy.

      Easier than messaging them a link to my ebook library hosted on an old laptop in my closet?

      When I want to throw a book in a backpack, paperback wins.

      Yes, but then why would I want to throw my expensive reading device in a backpack when I can keep it in my pocket?

      • When I want to read in the tub, ebooks fail.

        And so do regular books for that matter.

        If I ruin a paper book, I've lost €10. An ereader is a bigger loss (and all the books that were on it? Or maybe you can download them again, I don't know, but the reader is expensive to ruin).

        Also, getting a little wet doesn't ruin a paper book, but can brick an ereader.

        For me, the advantage of a paper book is versatility. The worst case scenarios are minimal. Leave your paper book in the pub? Drop it? Going somewhere where charging is a problem?

        Yeh, there are advantages to ereaders, but good ol'

        • Amazon can't remotely delete my paper book!

          And paper books don't phone home to tell Amazon (or whoever) what I'm reading, which page I'm on, what notes I've made, what books I've downloaded...

          (Don't know how I forgot about this in my previous post. I guess you take them for granted with paper books.)

        • Also, getting a little wet doesn't ruin a paper book, but can brick an ereader.

          Two words: Ziploc baggie.

        • Leave your paper book in the pub? Drop it?

          Do you frequently drop your phone or leave it in the pub? Because your phone is literally an e-reader (there are a wide variety of both android and apple apps that can handle every ebook format out there).

          Going somewhere where charging is a problem?

          My phone runs for 2 days without charging if I conserve battery. It can run for much much longer if I bring along my 15000maH external battery (or if I feel like travelling light, my 3500maH external, which is the size of a thing of lipstick). In absence of batteries, I can roll it up in my 15 watt solar

          • Do you frequently drop your phone or leave it in the pub?

            No, but my phone fits in my pocket. I've usually a pocket for a small-ish paperback, but not for an e-reader.

            As for your concerns about privacy, you're posting on a site for nerds and telling me you don't know how to strip the DRM to make yourself backup copies

            Probably could, but I just don't see enough advantages to give an e-reader a try. And I don't like funding companies that use DRM since, even if I can get around it, I know most people can't/won't.

            so one good fire/flood/natural disaster and they're gone.

            Possible, but I don't think I know anyone to whom any of those things has ever happened.

            But losing a phone is something that's happened me three times in twenty years.

            • There are plenty of places that sell DRM free ebooks. Also, what part about using your phone to read ebooks did you miss? At the very least it'll free up a pocket.

              The fact that you're using these weak arguments as justification to avoid even trying ebooks makes you come across as a total luddite. Just admit you don't like these scarey newfangled electronics and stop grasping at straws to try and justify paper over electronic for general book consumption.
    • When I want something that can fit in my pants pocket, ebooks fail - but paperbacks deliver.
      When I want to throw a book in a backpack, paperback wins.

      My Kindle fits as well in my pocket or backpack than most books, and it has 100+ books in the space of one.
      Also, on the road, I can and do read from my iPhone.

    • "But when there are diagrams/maps in a book, the ebooks fail miserably.
      When I want to read in the tub, ebooks fail.
      When I want something that can fit in my pants pocket, ebooks fail - but paperbacks deliver.
      When I want to borrow/lend a book, ebooks make it too much trouble, but a paperback is easy.
      When I want to throw a book in a backpack, paperback wins."

      1. Today's reader apps are mostly sequential, but some ebooks set up as apps of their own already offer interactive elements you can't even do on paper.
      2.

    • by jsrjsr ( 658966 )

      When I want to read in the tub, ebooks fail.

      Hmmm... I read in the tub fairly often. Haven't drowned the Kindle yet!

      If you're that worried, put the ereader in a ziplock bag. (I don't bother even at hotel hot tubs. People are good enough about not splashing others.)

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      by Anonymous Coward

      There are only a few cases when a physical book makes sense.

      Where you want a really good copy you can be proud of.
      When you're going to be without power for weeks.
      When you can't carry your tablet/phone/ereader for some reason.
      If you're old and set in your ways and don't like"'them newfangled gadgets."

      When there are diagrams/maps in the book, ebooks are just fine, unless you have a lousy reader.

      When you want to read in the tub, a paperback is just as fragile as an ebook reader. I will concede, however, that

    • Yes, IMHO paper books are usually preferable, but ebooks have advantages since they:

      - can be read in the dark (or poor lighting)
      - can enlarge / change their font
      - allow dictionary lookup of a word, effortlessly
      - can share a bookmark across devices
      - can be bought / downloaded instantly
      - are usually cheaper than paper
      - they don't destroy trees
      - they don't cause my floors to sag under their weight

      I expect to buy more of both indefinitely.

      • by Quirkz ( 1206400 )

        Also, when you finish one book, you know the next one is waiting for you (or you can get it) without having to specifically be at a bookstore or your bookshelf. I used to carry an emergency spare in my bag, another in my car, and now and then I'd still finish a book someplace where I didn't have access to a new one.

        • Yep. Or I'd carry a second paper book in case I got tired of reading the first or just wanted a different style or topic from the first. Sometimes I'd even carry three...

    • There are only a few cases when ebooks make sense.

      One more case for you: when the bookshelves in your house are filled to overflowing, and the attic is getting pretty full of books too.

      Which situation I reached five or six years ago. I no longer buy dead-tree books because I don't have a place to keep them....

      • Sounds like time to bring a few boxes to the second hand or charity bookshop. (Another advantage of paper books.)

        I like my personal book collection but there's only so many books you can expect to re-read or want to check something in in one lifetime.

        • by Raenex ( 947668 )

          Sounds like time to bring a few boxes to the second hand or charity bookshop. (Another advantage of paper books.)

          I think its' a bigger advantage to take up virtually no space and be able to keep all your books. I've got dozens of physical books, and one day when I get around to it I'm going to scan them all in and ditch the physical copies.

    • "But when there are diagrams/maps in a book, the ebooks fail miserably."

      Can't zoom paper.

      "When I want to read in the tub, ebooks fail."

      No water proofing solution for paper also allows turning the page without opening.

      "When I want something that can fit in my pants pocket, ebooks fail - but paperbacks deliver."

      The same content as an ebook can be provided in an arbitrarily small format.

      "When I want to borrow/lend a book, ebooks make it too much trouble, but a paperback is easy."

      Actual problem for ebooks. 1 ou

    • by jandrese ( 485 )

      When I want something that can fit in my pants pocket, ebooks fail - but paperbacks deliver.

      What kind of e-reader are you using? A regular size Kindle is way thinner and about the same size otherwise as a typical paperback. It is also quite a bit lighter. Even if you put a protective case on it, the thing will still be no less portable than a dead tree book.

      I read most of my ebooks on my phone, which obviously fits in my pocket just fine.

  • eBooks are a different way to engage with a book than a paper-based book. It is no surprise that eBook sales are leveling off now that the novelty of an eBook is behind us.

    .
    It should also be no surprise that paper-based books are still in demand. Some people, like myself, prefer to read a paper-based book instead of an eBook.

    Aside from the privacy concerns about eBooks (e.g., I don't want the publisher "looking over my shoulder" and taking notes of what pages I read more than once or what pages I ski

    • You're right - physical books are cheaper to replace than a Kindle. I know this first hand since my dog has eaten several of my physical books, and also one Kindle.

  • This is true with older books, from my experience with Amazon. Even when shipping is included, a used book can be had for under $10, while the Kindle version is often $10 or more...

    • Thank you for reminding me about used books. I'm going on a cruise soon and wanted a nice, geeky book to bring along. I had a good book picked out but then saw that the Kindle version was $4 and the paperback version was $13.50. I didn't want to have to bring my Kindle along (reading on my phone would stink in the bright light) but I also don't want to spend three times more for a physical book that I might read once and be done with. I just checked Amazon and there's a used copy for $5 and free 2 day P

      • Amazon lists dozens (for me at least) of books for $0.01+$3.99 shipping from third parties. It has been a long time since I've bought new book and read maybe 20/year. They make great gifts too when you are done.
        • They had those listings for the book I was looking at too. Unfortunately, in this case, time is a factor. The book won't help me if the estimated arrival day is a week after I leave for my cruise. So I went with a slightly more expensive used book that will arrive in 2 days. In the future, though, I'd have no problem buying the "$0.01 + $3.99 shipping" book from a third party.

    • Not just used books. I can go to costco and find decent new books for way under the list price. This versus the eBook which is almost always full price.
  • It's almost like publishers are artificially keeping ebook prices high enough so that real books can compete.
    • by gfxguy ( 98788 ) on Friday August 14, 2015 @02:04PM (#50317755)

      You're being sarcastic, right? That's exactly what they're doing, and they are lying through their teeth when they claim it costs just as much to publish an e-book, and all the people supporting the companies by claiming it costs just as much because of editing are either lying or stupidly buying the nonsense the book companies are selling.

      E-books are great for a lot of reasons - I have shelves of physical books at home that I have no idea what to do with; libraries don't want them (they have too many of these kinds of books that our kids are reading, they have enough); you can't sell them at garage sales (nobody buys them), you can't donate them to the school (they don't want to be overwhelmed with everybody's used books - they get enough). I can sell them to the used book store for credit, but now I have hundreds of dollars in credit and they have few things I want... I can't use the credit on new books.

      E-books let me:

      • Keep them forever and reread them years in the future without having to take up physical space.
      • While looking up things in physical text books is easier, my kids have 2 or 3 really huge books that they carry around all day and have to bring home, so having the physical book at home and taking an e-book to school would be great.
      • Take my whole library on vacation.
      • Theoretically should never go out of print.

      Physical books:

      • Don't violate my rights to resell them.
      • I don't get screwed if I somehow lose my Amazon or Barnes and Noble accounts.
      • Are nice to hold while reading, and don't need batteries.
      • Can be lent indefinitely to as many people as I want.
      • Textbooks are easier to use this way; any reference book is easier to use this way, although reference books (where you look something up) should rather be turned into apps in the future that allow for easier searching.

      As it is, with the absurd pricing of e-books, it often makes more sense to buy the physical book. The publishers are %#king 4$#holes.

  • Jenny Calendar: Honestly, what is it about them that bothers you so much?

    Giles: The smell.

    Jenny Calendar: Computers don't smell, Rupert.

    Giles: I know. Smell is the most powerful trigger to the memory there is. A certain flower, or a-a whiff of smoke can bring up experiences long forgotten. Books smell musty and-and-and rich. The knowledge gained from a computer is a... it, uh, it has no-no texture, no-no context. It's-it's there and then it's gone. If it's to last, then-then the getting of knowledge
  • because no one can tell you're reading Dick and Jane, Mein Kampf, or the Koran.
  • by Microlith ( 54737 ) on Friday August 14, 2015 @01:17PM (#50317309)

    When I can buy ebooks without respect to region, I'll hop on board. But as it stands, I can't buy books published outside my home country, and as we've seen in the past, if you take your ebooks outside the country and your reader goes on line (particularly the Kindle) it'll lock you out of your books.

    On top of that, the ebooks cost more than the paperback.

    Get back to me when obvious negatives aren't being piled on to ebooks.

    • by dwpro ( 520418 )

      I've never had a problem overseas with my books being region locked, and I can't imagine that's a huge problem. You can download unencumbered books from all over the place, or rip them and strip the DRM if it bothers you which has the added benefit of being able to share books more easily :)

      Rarely have I ever seen the price of an e-book be as much as a paperback (but e-books are still overpriced in my mind).

    • I have a job with 100% travel, and this never happened to me. In fact I bought the kindle because I can be in Ho Chi Minh and still easily find the latest English language releases. In fact, I've been all over the world with my Kindle (North America + Europe + Asia + a bit of Africa) and was AMAZED that I've literally always had access to the free 3G

  • The vast majority of avid readers I know love eBooks. Most of the luddites who drone on and on about the feel, smell, whatever, of physical books can't even tell you a book they've read in the past 6 months...
    • There's no book nostalgia like the smell of leather-bound editions you have never bought in your life read before the baronial fireplace you have never owned.

      • There's no book nostalgia like the smell of leather-bound editions you have never bought in your life read before the baronial fireplace you have never owned.

        And yet... I'll admit to loving old-fashioned bound books. I own some leather-bound books (not a lot -- I'm not really a collector of the leather editions or anything), and there actually is something nice about a well-made book, typeset clearly on quality paper.

        I'm not a baron (nor rich), but I do have a fireplace, and yes -- I do sit by it frequently in the winter on a leather armchair with a good book and a glass of scotch. The "leather-bound" aspect of the book is not necessary, but a physical book

  • >> Serials are returning, authors are able to more directly keep in contact with readers

    On reason for the uptick in serials is the lack of delay with e-books. I can read an already published serial, see how the first book is, then at 10PM, when I finish the first, immediately download the next in the series, starting to read it right away. Compare that to waiting for the bookstore to be open, finding it or placing an order, then waiting for them to receive it and picking it up from them. Two minutes v

    • by Quirkz ( 1206400 )

      On reason for the uptick in serials is the lack of delay with e-books. I can read an already published serial, see how the first book is, then at 10PM, when I finish the first, immediately download the next in the series, starting to read it right away.

      One evening I finished a book and then had to drive to five different bookstores before I found one that had the sequel in stock. By the time I got home, it was too late to start reading the book, because I had to go to bed. Talk about a frustrating experience.

  • And where are these numbers coming from?

    Amazon, to the best of my knowledge, does not release ebook sales numbers. Amazon sells the majority of ebooks in America, though I've no idea whether that's true elsewhere. That alone means any sales numbers are suspect, at best. Yes, trade published might report their own sales, but that ignores all the indie-published books that make up a large fraction of those Amazon sells.

    Personally, my main reason for buying print books in the last couple of years is quite simp

  • Are art museums going to go out and replace all of their exhibits with HDPI IPS displays? No. The displays may be far more versatile but they also do not embody a work. They simply display it. A printed book both contains and embodies the contained text. That simple visceral realness of holding an artifact contributes not only to our willingness to step into the magic circle of the book but signals the beginning of a cultural ritual.

    Reading is a form of magic that is wholly contained within our culture. Ebo

    • Don't conflate art, which is all about presentation, to literature, which is about content. A literary masterpiece remains a literary masterpiece whether it's printed on paper or is digital data in a simple text file. Whether someone can appreciate it only in one form or another says more about the person than the work itself.

      Oddly enough, nowadays, the digital copy is probably a closer representation of the author's original creation than a published book. Few modern authors actually use a typewriter or

      • by Irick ( 1842362 )

        It is not a conflation to call an art art, nor is it inappropriate to use more than one interpretive lens. We shouldn't ignore the critical developments of the last hundred years just because the medium predates it. Authorial intent is one lens, but art is not just about expression it is also about interpretation. This is the ritual of language and of semiotics.

        Does a dimestore paperback change the reading of a book compared to a leatherbound copy? I'd argue that it does. Does an e-book? Absolutely. Just as

  • by lq_x_pl ( 822011 ) on Friday August 14, 2015 @02:00PM (#50317719)
    It is always comical to read the back-and-forths over topics like this. There are benefits and drawbacks of each medium, but arguing over which one is better is like arguing over which flavor of jam is superior.
    • I don't really see anyone arguing... just discussing the merits and drawbacks of one format vs another. I think most people have long since made their peace with the fact that e-books are here to stay, while a number of people will continue to purchase and enjoy physical books.

  • Ebooks should be free with the purchase of the physical book.
  • by fluffernutter ( 1411889 ) on Friday August 14, 2015 @02:50PM (#50318181)
    Until eBooks reflect their true price considering lack of cost to distribute and print, I'm not sure how you can say they are 'coexisting'. eBooks often exceed the cost of their physical books.
  • I published a couple of novels as e-books, because it seemed easier to stick with one format. Quite a few people asked for physical versions (some of the crankier responses were along the lines of "what, no *real* version of the book?"). Some were older relatives who don't have e-readers and didn't want to figure out how to get one running, but some were posting on a gaming forum and, while I don't know their ages, they were technical enough to play computer games, so presumably just preferred the physical

    • There is the real downside of the cost of a good e-reader. Many people use their smart phones but I know that wouldn't work for me. I much prefer my paperwhite with it's e-ink display. But that is an extra cost and not necessarily a trivial one. So I can see how a fan might be disgruntled if an author they followed published a new book that wasn't available in the format they liked and reading it would mean investing in new hardware.

  • One of the possibilities that I've not seen seriously discussed is the way that academic libraries can be largely virtualised.

    1) New books should be bought as an electronic copy and made available for temporary download as required by students. My uni has started to offer that; you get to hold it for only 24 hours

    2) ALL books out of copyright should be digitised, packed up and stored securely off site. There is no need - apart from the aesthetics and wow factor - to have old books filling up space. OK

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