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Tech Unemployment Hits 19-Year Low (dice.com) 305

New submitter SpaceForceCommander writes: Tech unemployment hasn't been this low since the turn of the century, according to U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) data crunched by CompTIA. As of May, tech's unemployment rate sat at 1.3 percent. "There is now the very real prospect of tech worker shortages affecting industry growth," Tim Herbert, executive vice president for research and market intelligence at CompTIA, wrote in a statement accompanying the data. "Firms seeking to expand into new areas such as the Internet of Things, robotic process automation or artificial intelligence may be inhibited by a lack of workers with these advanced skills, not to mention shortages in the complementary areas of technology infrastructure and cybersecurity."

Tech's unemployment rate previously hit 1.4 percent, in April 2007 and March 2018. (The BLS began measuring occupation-level employment data in January 2000.) However, not all segments within tech are adding jobs at the same rate; although custom software development and computer systems design gained 8,400 new positions in May, for example, both information services and telecommunications saw modest losses. Meanwhile, new data from PayScale suggests that wages within the tech industry grew 2.3 percent year-over-year in the second quarter of 2019. That's an indicator that the low unemployment rate is forcing employers to pay more in order to secure the talent they need.

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  • Uh-huh (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 19, 2019 @12:09PM (#58951692)

    Pull the other one. The game is in progress to raise the H-1B cap. Again.

    • I'm fine with increasing the H-1B cap during a boom cycle, as long as they decrease it during bust cycles.

      I lived in CA after the dot-com bust, and IT was slim pickens in the area. I was competing for jobs with visa workers. I survived by taking out-of-state contracts, but it was rough on the family.

      Making the H-1B vetting stricter is one of the few things I agree with the Orange Guy on, as they are (were?) often being used to get cheap labor instead of actually to fill "shortages", the stated purpose of th

    • It's rather simple, you American's demand too much money. Why pay for one American when you can get 10 little Indians, and no not American Indians. Indian Indians. You can complain and whine about how THEY are forcing you out of work, and you can't get a job, but it's perhaps YOU are also responsible. I know your daughters degree is going to cost lots and lots of money, but there are cheaper ways to get a degree instead of hurling more money into the money munching machine your shit varsities have becom
  • where's the pay? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Maybe it's just me, maybe I'm well paid, but salary growth has been sluggish. Been looking for a new job for 3 years and any offer I've gotten wasn't good enough for me to make the jump.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Maybe you just think you're worth more than you are.

    • by fluffernutter ( 1411889 ) on Friday July 19, 2019 @12:25PM (#58951792)
      Especially when you factor in the downsides of working in most areas where jobs are easier to find... 1 hour commute each way? I consider that part of the time I'm being paid for. If 10 hours divided by what I make in 8 hours isn't covering what I made before working from home then forget it, I'll take time with family. Then you may have to live in a congested residential area, deal with parking, etc etc etc. Just because the salary looks good doesn't mean it is.
    • I've seen the same. Companies are looking for top techies, well trained and highly motivated, and they are complaining that they cannot find anyone. But they are still offering the same "industry average" wages. The thing is: you're no longer fishing in a pond of eager job seekers, you are going to have to entice people who already have a good job. Scarce talent has got to mean higher wages... or is that idea only valid for C-level managers?
      • I recently went through a small job search - had 3 offers in 2 weeks, all offering around $20K/month base salary, up to 15% annual bonus on top of that, signing bonuses - and lots of RSUs (these are publicly traded companies). I ended up accepting the one with the most lucrative, easiest-to-exercise RSU component.
    • any offer I've gotten wasn't good enough for me to make the jump.

      Jumping jobs doesn't lower unemployment.

      Pay increases will only lower tech unemployment if there are significant numbers of idle tech workers waiting for salaries to go up before they accept a job.

      • by AuMatar ( 183847 )

        Wrong way around. Pay increases when unemployment is low. This is because with low unemployment, you need to hire people away from other employers, which requires offering people enough to make a switch worth it.

    • by AuMatar ( 183847 )

      Its going up. 2 years ago, I was seeing 200K as the top out in NYC among series B/C startups. Now I'm getting 225K quoted to me at the top end. I expect the top is soft if they need the position enough, hiring is brutal right now.

  • by bogaboga ( 793279 ) on Friday July 19, 2019 @12:15PM (#58951724)

    ...new data from PayScale suggests that wages within the tech industry grew 2.3 percent year-over-year in the second quarter of 2019. That's an indicator that the low unemployment rate is forcing employers to pay more in order to secure the talent they need.

    Folks, let's be serious...now, who can say this president isn't doing a fantastic job?

    • I agree. Xi Jinping has been doing a fantastic job. Growth is off the charts!

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by blindseer ( 891256 )

      But... but... orange man bad!

    • ...new data from PayScale suggests that wages within the tech industry grew 2.3 percent year-over-year in the second quarter of 2019. That's an indicator that the low unemployment rate is forcing employers to pay more in order to secure the talent they need.

      Folks, let's be serious...now, who can say this president isn't doing a fantastic job?

      The statistical correlation is obvious, but the causation is not obvious. Is there anything in particular that you think Trump has done that can be linked to causation?

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Is this attributable to Trump? And even if it is, does it make up for all the really shitty things he has done?

      • by Anonymous Coward

        If you look at the trend lines you literally cannot see any difference from the tail end of Obama's presidency and the beginning of Trump's. All that can be said for Trump is that he's so incompetent that he can't even get his bad ideas implemented. The only legislation with a potential major economic impact that has passed under Trump is lowering taxes on the wealthy, which definitely hasn't done what it's proponents said it would. Trump's crazy budgets were completely ignored by Congress which passed budg

    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Friday July 19, 2019 @01:42PM (#58952310)
      but here's a lengthy thread [slashdot.org] where I say just that. The TL;DR:

      As for the economy, 78% of Americans live Paycheck to Paycheck. 57 million Americans are temps or Uber drivers. That's almost 1/3 or workers. There's over a trillion in student loan debt. These are not the signs of a healthy economy.

      • I got modded "troll" for calling this economy a paper tiger, because Trump's tax cuts got totally negated by affects his trade war has had on the cost of goods and services. Backed it all up with citations, too.

        Unfortunately, we're living in a post-fact era, where the "I've got mine" folks simply don't care so long as things look rosy from where they're standing.

  • 2000 low? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Friday July 19, 2019 @12:20PM (#58951760)
    So it's at a low experienced just below the 2000-2001 dot.BOMB crash? With other recession indicators sounding warnings (yield curve, drop in factory orders, reduced shipping), I'm anticipating the coming shitshow....
  • So in this situation, every capitalist entity raises the amount they pay in the job market because supply is low. This they have not done, so they have no leg to stand on. Wages have only gone up 3.4% since Trump and most of that is inflation.
  • by smooth wombat ( 796938 ) on Friday July 19, 2019 @12:32PM (#58951846) Journal

    2.3 percent salary growth isn't even enough to cover inflation (the real stuff, not the fake numbers put out).

    This is how skewed things have become. We consider a near-inflation level rise in pay as good whereas the C levels are getting at least a ten percent increase (and they're already making millions).

    We keep hearing about this "shortage" of IT workers, yet if there truly was a shortage, employers would be offering higher salaries to get those they need.

    That this is not happening, in both IT and across all industries, shows the lies of those who claim they can't find employees. It also shows that despite the largest wealth transfer in this country's history, trickle down economics has once again failed miserably.

    • 2.3 percent salary growth isn't even enough to cover inflation (the real stuff, not the fake numbers put out).

      What's the real inflation rate, then?

      • Ask yourself how much transportation, groceries, housing has gone up in your area.
        • give or take. The price of a can of dog food, for example, went from $1.88 to $1.96 and lost 2 ounces, resulting in a net inflation of 4.5%. I've also noticed sales getting fewer and farther between.
        • Ask yourself how much transportation, groceries, housing has gone up in your area.

          Not much. Is it more or less than 2.3%? That's very hard to judge. Actually 2.3% seems about right.

          In any case, random guesses like that are far less useful than the CPI.

      • by skam240 ( 789197 )

        Well the inflation rate that the fed uses is called Core Inflation and excludes energy and food prices. The Fed uses core inflation in assessing the state of the US economy because food and energy prices are considered too volatile to make for reliable data. I'm assuming the above parent is advocating for viewing the wage increase data for the tech sector in the context of what I've heard referred to as headline inflation which does not exclude those things.

        Interestingly enough however, (if I'm looking at

        • by smooth wombat ( 796938 ) on Friday July 19, 2019 @04:14PM (#58953304) Journal
          but the lack of significant wage growth in the tech industry severely undermines these claims of a labor shortage.

          As I said, it's not only the IT industry. All industries have this notion if they keep whining long enough, they'll get someone to fill a position whereas if they would raise the salary, they would get more bites.

          Since the 80s I've heard and read the sob stories of companies saying they can't find people to fill positions. Even in the middle of the Bush recession, when millions had lost their jobs, all we heard was businesses couldn't find people.

          If you can't find someone to fill a position during a recession, it's not the people, it's you.
    • The trick to the claim that they can't find tech workers is that they can't find tech workers to do what they'd like to do at the price that their product's sales potential justifies.

      It is like saying "I could put GM out of business with a sub $10K car if I could just find enough high-quality workers that will assemble cars in the US for $3 per hour".

  • Umm, 19 years ago was at the end of the dotcom bubble and all it's irrational exuberance. It was followed by a fairly ugly recession and then a few years later by a REALLY ugly one. Those who don't learn from history tend to repeat it.

  • by Iamthecheese ( 1264298 ) on Friday July 19, 2019 @12:40PM (#58951922)
    Until it's actually driving wages up, employers are training tech workers, and employers are paying relocation bonuses this is a big steaming pile of H1b hogwash.
  • by fluffernutter ( 1411889 ) on Friday July 19, 2019 @01:11PM (#58952068)
    I'm probably the type of worker that tech companies would want (ok no "fuck you's" please). But I already have a job I'm reasonably happy with and I have for all my life... because I'm the type of worker that companies want. I look for other jobs from time to time, but nothing screams out "IF YOU ARE GOOD WE WILL BEAT YOUR CURRENT EMPLOYER'S SALARY" so I go on doing the same job. I'm here if anyone has a deal for me but why should I kill myself to find it?
    • You should consider other things than just salary when looking for work. If you are only looking at money: a good way to really make money is through stock options/grants. Salary is just a nice base.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Friday July 19, 2019 @01:24PM (#58952166)
    looking for jobs in tech right now, there is no middle finger large enough for the feeling in my soul right now. I call Bullshit. A job a bud applied for 9 months ago (he took another job, which is going away soon, thanks outsourcing!) pays half what it did then.

    Meanwhile HR 1044 [duckduckgo.com] passed without so much as a peep from the tech news press. I only know about it because another /.er mentioned it.

    This is just more fake data for employers to use to get more cheap visas. Nothing more, nothing less.
    • Breitbart was railing against 1044, clearly with intention to shame Senate Republicans and/or Trump into not passing it. I am not aware that it passed the Senate yet:

      "In the House, it has 108 Republican and 203 Democratic cosponsors. In the Senate, it has 19 Republicans, including Senator Tom Cotton, and 15 Democratic cosponsors. The bill passed the House today by a bipartisan vote of 365-65."

      Whether the shaming worked/will work or not, it appears Breitbart is your friends' friend, at least when it comes to

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by rsilvergun ( 571051 )
        Have to admit I'm embarrassed to see how few Dems voted against it, happy to see Rep. Ilhan Omar [D] did though. As for Breitbart, I don't care for them but enemy of my enemy in this case...
        • And I have no doubt Republicans would vote for it without a moment's thought if Trump weren't President.

          As for Omar, same thing here -- enemy of my enemy.

          I tend to pay attention to Rand Paul's arguments, who I imagine you're not a fan of. He broke ranks from Republicans on occasion for reasons of sound principles, not moralizing or virtue signaling, and not caring for peer pressure. If he said 1044 should be passed I'd consider his arguments. ... OK just did a search where he stands on this and found "The K

          • As a Justice Democrat she refuses corporate PAC money. I find it hard to disagree with her stance on Israel/Palestine. Not that both sides don't have legitimate complaints, but Israel is too harsh on Palestine and Palestine would mellow out if they had economic security and lower unemployment. And she firmly supports the Social Democrat agenda items like Medicare for All, a $15 min wage, ending the 8 wars (+ 4 shadow wars) we're in, Legalizing Marijuana, etc, etc. Those all seem like good policies to me.
            • I don't like her anti Israel stance but I like even less people shouting her down by calling her antisemite.
              Unless she is calling for Jews to be harmed or their livelihood taken she should be free to speak. And I do think she has guts so I respect that.

              Looking at your list, here's another person you might find you're unlikely siding with: Fox's Tucker Carlson. He surprisingly endorsed Warren's economic plan. He said what country needs is not far left social justice, not conservative full on free market, not

    • I'm hiring jobs in tech. I'm having a tough time finding anybody with real skills and/or anything more than a boot camp education. At least for me, the stats are real.

      I've cut multiple offers at well above what I would have paid last year and had the folks use them to get counters from their current employers.

      If you're looking for work, have front-end or back-end skills, click the link and submit a resume; you won't be disappointed.

  • Or do various companies say the only solution is more H1B's?
  • by Ryanrule ( 1657199 ) on Friday July 19, 2019 @02:02PM (#58952446)
    I want to see 10%
  • by Petersko ( 564140 ) on Friday July 19, 2019 @02:33PM (#58952680)

    Consider ditching the idea of chasing recent tech skills. They are the most commoditized. Think about learning "dead" tech for which unfilled jobs are plentiful.

    People willing and able to work in deprecated Oracle Forms and Reports have a lot of years of gainful employment in front of them.

  • by WillAffleckUW ( 858324 ) on Friday July 19, 2019 @02:38PM (#58952730) Homepage Journal

    I remember when pay scales went up 8-22 percent for a few years.

    Try again.

  • I've been looking for a new job in this market and I've seen a company that didn't get it. They advertised for a Senior Software Engineer and I went in for that one. We basically didn't talk about code or implementing anything and they actually kept stopping me saying I was worried about implementation too much and they wanted to talk about system design. So to that end they wanted to talk about leading projects, junior engineers, and designing systems and writing up docs in UML to give to other engineers t

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