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ESR chapter of "Open Sources" online 57

Paul Crowley writes "The table of contents for "Open Sources" , O'Reilly's book for the lay reader from Slashdot's interesting-ideas department, is now available and the book itself should be coming out later this month; I've just now received mail warning me of a copy coming my way sometime this week. One chapter is already available online: Eric S Raymond's A brief history of Hackerdom . So you can all start flaming his attention-seeking ways again now, especially since on a related note he's also turned up on Slashdot's favourite news source, BBC News." I just got a copy of Open Sources as well- Chris DiBona mentioned both me & Slashdot in his intro. I've read the ESR and RMS sections already- both were great. A full fledged review of the book will be here whenever I have time to finish reading it.
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ESR chapter of "Open Sources" online

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  • >1 Chris DiBona

    http://www.dibona.com/ [dibona.com]

    >2 Sam Ockman

    http://www.penguincomputing.com/ [penguincomputing.com]

    >3 Mark Stone

    http://shell.nanospace.com/~markst/ [nanospace.com]

    All members of the infamous...

    Silicon Valley Linux User Group [svlug.org]

  • Almost all of this is rehashed from the Jargon File.

    Note I'm not criticising, just pointing it out.

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  • Mr. Perens, I really can't understand why you need to flame back these people. Never have.

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  • Seeing as this is a book for, about and for the most part, by members of the open source / free software comunity, I wonder if we will see this document released with the ability to freely redistribute and modify it. Especially considering RMS's contribution to it.
  • If he is "attention-seeking", I'm sure it's only an outgrowth of both his enthusiasm over the ideas involved, and an understanding of the nature of competing for mindshare. The fact that the term "open source" has become standard terminology is due to his hard work on this front. This is a gent who knows what's up and although it seems a part of both the /. and the hacker communities to bash what's hot, this is one case where we should take a step back and avoid biting the hand that's feeding the open source frenzy.
  • See subject.

    I'd be more than glad to take the burden of moderator-power...
  • Posted by Jim Borynec:

    When reading about the history of the
    internet/unix I'm always a little annoyed that
    nobody seems to appreciate the importance
    of usenet news. This early groupware program,
    coupled with the *large* uucp network (certainly
    when compared to arpanet) was fundamental
    to today's online culture.
    In particular, it "unified" various discussion
    forums (see sci.space.* for a living example).
    It also fostered a real culture of cooperation.
  • How can one possibly write a paper on the history of computing/programming and make absolutely no mention of Iowa State University ... Mauchly and Eckert ... Hollerith, or Babbage ... Blaise Pascal and... :) Aristotle and Archimedes....

    This isn't about the history of programming, though; whatever lovely things Babbage and Pascal may have done, they weren't part of an overtly code-sharing hacker culture (even though they were sort of nerdy).

    This post does raise an interesting point, though; throughout known history, deep thinkers -- always a nerdy minority in any culture, since somebody always has to harvest the food -- have tended to group together and argue. Think about the Greek philosophers, the Italian cities of the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, and so on. Imagine if superhacker Leonardo da Vinci had had the Internet....

    And then, of course, we've always had something like the trial of Socrates, the Spanish Inquisition, and the Federal Government....

    Craig

  • Thanks for the nice words!

  • This is the real Sam Ockman [crackmonkey.org]
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  • by nickm ( 1468 )
    Maybe, but I'll bet Bruce knows how to set up DNS [crackmonkey.org].
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  • How can one possibly write a paper on the history of computing/programming and make absolutely no mention of Iowa State University where the first electronic digital computer was invented?

    But then Mauchly and Eckert were working in the great Open Source tradition of taking Atanasoff's work, building upon it, and getting all the credit. :)

    No mention of Hollerith, or Babbage either. And what about Blaise Pascal and... :)

  • My chapter is an analysis with commentary. The appendix is the OSD with no commentary.

    Bruce

  • Jeeeez. I go to all the trouble of writing a GPL-ed chapter and when I post that you can read it online I'm flamed for trying to steal Eric Raymond's credit? Should I stop distributing my free software, too, for fear of stepping on toes? What are you inhaling? There are 10 or 20 authors, it's not just an ESR work.

    Bruce

  • You don't even reveal your name and I have to live up to your standards??? It's a cruel world, I guess.

    Read the thing and judge. It's here [hams.com].

  • Detractors will moan, but they'll have to think a while to find a reason. Your chapter covers things nicely, like a tight, cleverly coded program. Good reading.

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    So who's working on the new open source ITS system/kernel? A real-live Linux-killer fer shure!

    ;)
  • What does 'one chapter' free mean?

    Is that like getting one .c file with your open source application?

    Hmmmm, sounds a lot like Free Beer to me.

    The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.

  • Cool. Can someone post a review? Does it have anything we don't know? Anything NEW ?



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  • It might be worthy to point out that those "other difficult parts of a Unix-like operating system)" form the basis of Linux.

    That's probably why he specifies that they are difficult parts of the OS.


    instead of just "In 1991 he began developing a free Unix kernel for 386 machines using the Free Software Foundation's toolkit."

    So I write a word processor in Borland Pascal (not that I would) and it's the "Borland Word Processor," right? I mean, after all - the compiler is the hardest part. Anyone could write a word processor (except, of course, the FSF couldn't write a kernel).
  • now that you've got your head out of your ass I'll continue.

    It wasn't a paper on history of computing/programming. It wasn't even a history on hacking. It was a BRIEF history on hacking.

    Pascal does not fit into the definition of 'hacker'. He was basically a mathematician who wanted to be an engineer. But don't forget Lady Lovelace. She was the first programmer.... but still she was not a hacker... more of a scientist mathematician type.

    Therefore, his BRIEF history of HACKING still holds.
  • Chris Dibona is one of the homeys in charge of the
    Silicon Valley Linux User Group. He's the only one I know by name *and* face. I can vouch for him being a cool guy (with social skills!).
    Only know the other two by name

    Sam Ockman is involved in one way or another with
    the SVLUG as well.
  • Andy Bechtolsheim was in the EE PhD program at Stanford when he built the Sun 1 (68k, ethernet, VME bus (I think)). He was the "hardware guy".

    Vinod Khosla and Scott McNealy were in the business school.

    Bill Joy was at Berkeley, and as others have alluded, was the (first) "software guy".

    I sent a correction to ESR, he said it may or may not make it into the book.
  • A couple of efforts predate Linux and other widely acclaimed "free" or "open source" software projects. The earliest I'm aware of is RBBS, which started in 1983 and is still nominally active, although there is little development apparently going on now. The current release level is *18*. The RBBS license is more similar to the *BSD than to the GPL, but I think that's a minor point given the antiquity :) of the project. It was coordinated from the very beginning across a series of PC BBSes from virtually the time the IBM PC escaped from Don Estridge's labs and multipled like rabbits. It has always been free and always has had a more bazaar than cathedral approach to development.

    The other notable project of yore was info-zip (which still continues, mostly in maintenance mode). Jean-Loup Gailly and a bunch of others put together a reconstructed version of PKZip (with Phil Katz' support) which makes zip and unzip now the *second* most widely available program in terms of number of platforms supported (that one that puts "Hello world" on the screen is #1). Again, info-zip pioneered the development of free software with literally an international group of developers corresponding and co-developing the code.

    I first joined the info-zip mailing list in 1990, I think; along with the RISKS-L version of comp.risks those were the first net mailing lists I ever subscribed to.

    phred@sunlight.portland.or.us

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