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Roger writes
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Check out this page
(the Honolulu Star-Bulletin), which has a pic of a completely
CGI person. Thing is, you can't tell she is until you read
it below the picture. She will apparently be the female lead
in the Final Fantasy Movie. "
Porn Implications (Score:1)
How bad would child porn be if you weren't harming any children in it's creation?
Just a thought from up here in Canada, where it's illegal to write a description of sexual acts involving children on a piece of paper, even if you never show it to anyone (I wish I was joking...)
rube goldberg is making movies (Score:1)
Even if the cg mannequins were implemented perfectly they won't be human, there won't be that mental connection between the character and the audience.
A couple of weeks ago I was listening to a radio show about cloning. The guests were all academics. One guy finally made the point that everyone seems to miss -- why would people make clones, when it's expensive and difficult and not nearly as much fun as having sex?
So the question here is why would you spend a kazillion dollars to make phony cg people who move unnaturally (yes, I've seen characters who are modeled from video of real people) and whose voices are dubbed? Why not just film a person? It's a lot cheaper and easier, and the results are better. The first couple of movies that are all cg will do well because of the novelty. I'd go to see it. But over the long haul, it's an inefficient rube goldberg way to make movies.
If they think that a cg brad pitt is going to be competition for the real brad pitt, they've got a nasty surprise in store for them. Hollywood is full of beautiful people, but very few of them are stars. There's more to it than a face.
Rent there's something about mary, and look at cameron diaz's eyes. Think about modeling it, how complicated it is, how the way the move and flash is tied in perfectly with the rest of her facial expressions, which are in turn synced with the emotions of the scene and the reactions of the people opposite her.
They're not going to duplicate that in the forseeable future.
I'm going to regret this, but... (Score:1)
I've put the image up on my site [ci-n.com]. Now we get to see how well a 486-66 behind a 33.6k modem handles the Slashdot effect. ;)
If someone who's got some real bandwidth could grab it and re-mirror it, that would probably be good.
And I have to say... the image may not be perfect, but I've seen worse quality JPEGs of real people... If I hadn't known going in, I would have guessed that it was a real actress in a CGI scene. The one thing I did notice is that she hasn't got any finger/hand prints...
I -know- the Slashdot community can do better! (Score:1)
I think the Slashdot community can do better! (Score:1)
But with an infinite amount of monkeys, er, programmers writing screenplay, we'll produce an infinite amount of screenplays/scripts/etc. Then it's just a matter of picking the best one!
Erm, anime? (Score:1)
While you'll probably respond that you wouldn't watch cartoons; I dare you to watch a Miyazaki film, say Nausicaa, and reply that you wern't moved by it.
CG is just another medium to work in. Keep an open mind.
(Although improperly mixing CG with cell animation tends to look badly; Spielburg's Invasion America is a prime example of this.)
Re: research (Score:1)
Brad Pitt clones/Princess Diana trust/patents (Score:1)
It's at least as illegal as making false statements about the product itself (such as selling plain water but labelling it "vodka"). It has nothing whatsoever to do with intellectual property.
I'm not sure though how the Swedish law on the subject [notisum.se] relates to dead people. For some reason, celebrities don't seem to pop up in random commercials in Sweden as soon as they are dead, and I think that would count as false marketing anyway. Maybe this is a real problem in Britain?
The Internet Movie Project exists already (Score:1)
The Internet Movie Project exists already (Score:1)
However, you could also check the initial project website at <URL:http://www.algonet.se/%7Ejhubert/Mov ieProject/ [algonet.se]> (that space is in the anchor text only, not in the actual URL) which still links to all the relevant material.
I'd rather not try to describe the project here, since I would be duplicating their own web info. Studio-quality? Yes, if you count television/video (as opposed to cinema) quality. GPL? No, but public enough for me. One has to register as a member in order to take part in the project, but much of it is visible to non-members as well. The distribution details haven't been worked out in detail, but as I understand it, the result will be made available for free (see the membership agreement [algonet.se] for legal details).
As for high-quality script, I don't think you will be disappointed reading what has been done so far. I wasn't.
I think the Slashdot community can do better! (Score:1)
If you have 10 million programmers, but no artists, it's rather like expecting 10 million monkeys to reproduce *Watership Down.*
I watch peple kill in movies. I don't kill. (Score:1)
Would I hire someone who reads child porn as a sitter for my child? Irrelevant question. People don't get grabbed by kiddie porn and forced to read it, people who are sexually attracted to children seek it out. The rest of us look away in disgust, we don't become child molesters by viewing it. So of course a person who views it is more likely to be a child molester. The issue is whether, *given* a person with a sexual attraction to children, will they be even more likely to act on those desires if they read child porn. I say there's little or no evidence that this is the case.
Child porn (even if CG) is TOTALLY unacceptable! (Score:2)
But we're not doing that.
Assume that child pornography was legal and available at your local adult bookstore. Would you buy any? I doubt it, most of us wouldn't. Only those rare people for whom it's a turn-on would. So what effect would it have on them? Would viewing the pornography (presumably while engaging in self-gratification) satisfy their urges or stimulate them into kid-nabbing? I don't think you can definitively say one way or the other. Playing Doom, D&D, and wargames never spurred me to violence, for example.
Actually, I probably have seen a comic strip or two that would qualify as child porn in books about underground comic strips. Again, this in no way filled me with the desire to have sex with children.
I Can't Believe it (Score:1)
Its not CG it's Katherine, my old girlfriend (now married.) Overall I like how her face has a more friendly tone, considering what they could have done.
But I agree with another poster, the lighting seems to be created to cast the best light on the image. The more complex things like hair, etc... are in the dark, and her face and a cyber-phychedelic board are about all we see. Still i think it will be pretty fun to watch. I remember disliking Toy Story because the people looked more toy like than the toys.
And as far as connecting with the charectar, people connect with written charectars all the time. (I even get bewildered by those that seem to connect with Lara Croft. Rachel had some interesting things to say about her, being somewhat an athority herself... and I'll stop there.)
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ABORTED effort:
Close all that you have.
Modern actresses are a tough nut to crack (Score:1)
Porn Implications (Score:1)
"It must be silicon, 'cause flesh don't refuse to shake like that"
Brad Pitt clones/Princess Diana trust/patents (Score:1)
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I think the Slashdot community can do better! (Score:1)
What do you mean by "have a plot"? A plot to the story could be open-sourced (as per my Free Film Project). That's not a hinderance. If anything, I think it might produce better results, as the open nature of it would iron out flaws in the script which are so often glaring in the major (closed) film productions.
I think the Slashdot community can do better! (Score:1)
Forgot the URLs (Score:1)
There'll be at least one mailing list, also starting soon, and a CVS repository.
rube goldberg is making movies (Score:1)
I think the Slashdot community can do better! (Score:1)
Why? Because people have a natural tendancy to drift to do what they're good at & enjoy. It's my belief that the =ARTISTS= will drift to doing the ARTS side, whilst the PROGRAMMERS drift to the PROGRAMMING/COMPUTING side.
Infinite Monkey problem negated.
I think the Slashdot community can do better! (Score:2)
Mirroring a copy (Score:1)
RE: Child porn is TOTALLY unacceptable! (Score:1)
However, if your position is that the laws are to protect social decency and moral standards, then I would have to object, as such qualities are not (or should not) be legislatable when it comes to issues of creative production (whether you find child porno creative is irrelevant, it should still be considered an act of self-expression as all other forms of speech are protected).
Im sure Ill be flamed for this, but I dont feel the need to justify an argument based purely on principle.
Hey! I didnt bring it up
Oh dear god... (Score:1)
That's pretty good... (Score:1)
But you know, while such realism might make CG-movies seem more real, it also takes away some of the charm. I'm sure that we've all seen "Toy Story" by now; tell me, would it have been the same if all the toys had looked any more realistic than they did? I think it would have.
Nonetheless, I'll be first in line to buy tickets to this movie. This is going to be cool...
Brad Pitt clones/Princess Diana trust/patents (Score:1)
If the Diana people get away this, how long until we have entire business specialising in this process in one shop, from digitisation and modelling to patent submission?
The street finds its own uses for things.
UK Patent office rejected Diana Trademark (Score:1)
For my money the gal in the pic is very credible... but unlike the guy earlier I think that motion will not help hide detail, it will show up unrealistic physics and unnatural gracelessness.
Hey, the Simpsons are good enough for that (Score:1)
may not be 100% realistic, BUT ... (Score:1)
The face is very good, the hair
This is going to be a severely cool movie..
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Yummy! (Score:1)
Certainly good enough for suspension of disbelief (Score:1)
And the graphic I saw looked way better than anything in Toy Story.
Jon
/. effect statistics (Score:1)
Lady Luck favors the hopelessly insane.
- Brain : Pinky, Elmyra, and the Brain
/.'ed already (Score:1)
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Child porn (even if CG) is TOTALLY unacceptable! (Score:1)
A study last year found that conviceted child molesters were not as likely to molest again if they had a ready supply of child pornography.
The authors of the study reasoned that since it's difficult to reform people, and there's something about child molestors that is off-base, but unfixable, then the solution might be to find an outlet for their deviant behavior that didn't hurt anyone.
The state has confiscated a great deal of child porn. The children who were abused by it have already been abused. Further use of the child porn doesn't further hurt the children. Thus, existing stockpiles of child porn could be used for this.
Obviously, implementing something like this is way out of the question in current society. Even talking about it is somewhat taboo.
My point is that use of child porn does NOT necessarily cause child abuse. The general lesson to learn is QUESTION EVERYTHING!!!
We need a mirror. (Score:1)
Random noise (Score:1)
The shot is nice, but I really have a problem with game/movie sort of dealies (eg. Super Mario Bros. ack, Mortal Kombat suk, etc.)
Just hope Doom and Quake don't suffer the same fate...
They contradict themselves (Score:1)
Child porn (even if CG) is TOTALLY unacceptable! (Score:1)
She's not the first... (Score:1)
http://www.dhw.co.jp/horipro/ta lent/DK96/index_e.html [dhw.co.jp]
Random noise (Score:1)
At any rate, I'm looking forward to seeing the new Wing Commander movie this year, too.
Motion capture isn't new (Score:1)
I always liked the FF games... (Score:1)
FF4 sucked, try FF5 (Score:1)
Hmmm. Methinks we miss the point (Score:1)
There are reasons today why animated media can have a strength, value, and power that filmed media do not. It's particualarly hard in real life to coordinate lighting, atmosphere, humidity, and weather to get great dramatic moments in particularly beautiful places... CG will help there. For more mundane situations, CG can hide, alter, mask, and transform an alley in LA into an alley on an alien world, with alien culture, trash, and citizens.
And CG people are very well suited for special effects that cannot or should not be done in real life, for stunts, for amazing transformations... For those who watch anime, a life-action Ranma film could be made with real actors and their CG counterparts stepping in at appropriate moments for transformations, as well as during battle scenes, chi-attacks, etc. T2 used CG, but they accepted the limitations and made it part of their look... Future tense, CG should be able to make the morphing of 2 individuals flawless, so that future Spielbergs, Lucases, and others can populate their worlds with changelings, dopplegangers, mutants, superheros, and things only dreamed of on paper and animated media...
Twink
When's the movie gonna be out??? (Score:1)
Yeah, you can tell (Score:1)
However, this is a still. A moving picture would be better since you can't look at the details.