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HP Education to offer Linux Courses 42

Posted by CmdrTaco from the apple-for-the-teacher dept.
jmcmurry writes " This page says that HP Education will start offering Linux courses in June. They'll use RedHat 5.2 in the lab but will cover other distributions as well. Later courses will include "a transition course for Windows NT administrators." "
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  • This isn't news. (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    IBM has been offering courses on Linux for months!

    http://www-3.ibm.com/services/learn ing/linux.html [ibm.com]

  • Posted by Josefine K.:

    True story-just happened two nights ago. When the NT 'admin' was asked to remove the thing, he said, "No, it's OK, I've been bringing him in here for a year." I'd love to see the financial pages if my telecomm company ran into business troubles due to this dog whizzing on a high-impact server.

    Perhaps the first step in transitioning NT admins to Linux is 'no pets in server room'.

    But seriously...my company is paying for a series of HP-UX sysadmin courses for my department. At $2000/week, too. Will there be similar costs for the Linux courses? At my current place of employment, at least, high cost==respectability and stability to asst. middle managers.

    -
  • Let's talk what a bad idea it is to allow user programs (ISAPI extensions and COM objects) to run in the same process space as the webserver.

    And how.

    We had an open ticket with MICROS~1 for months, regarding an NT/IIS/ASP server that simply would not stay up. Usually INETINFO.EXE did not actually crash; it would just hang. The MICROS~1 guy, helpful as he tried to be, couldn't track down the problem from the memory dumps we provided.

    Finally, he tracked it down: the client's choice of (MICROS~1) FoxPro for their database was causing the whole mess, as it is "not designed for the kind of usage it gets when used with a web site."

    The suggested solution? Rewrite the whole mess to use MS-SQL.

    Well, at least that should make it easier to migrate to UNIX at some point in the future.

    --
    Get your fresh, hot kernels right here [kernel.org]!

  • What's equally important about that statement is that is does not say "HP-UX and Windows NT system administrators". Certainly HP would not be interested in "transitioning" from HP-UX to Linux, but the fact that there is no course aimed at Linux for Unix sysadmins implies that little or no training is necessary.

    On another note, as mentioned below - Yes, I think it would cost about the same as the HP-UX course. After all, it's probably not very different from the "HP-UX for NT administrators" course. It's not aimed at the general user, it's aimed squarely at the corporate market, those who quite willing shell out $2K for training (plus the cost of having a staff member out of the office for a week, often more than the cost of the course). But they do provide a certificate of completion, which would probably carry more sway with your average PHB than a RedHat certification. Go figure.

  • While it's nice to know that there will Finally be some educational services in Canada, what about their branches in the rest of the world? Or are we the Guinnea Pigs?

    They also just call it an "education", so this is probably not a certification oriented project. I wonder if Dan York and the Linuxcare.com crew have looked at this yet?


    Michael J. Ball
    Open Source Who's Who
  • The majority of Linux installations out there are RedHat 5.2 (or older). If you've ever seen Novell courses by third parties (colleges), they taught 3.x right up until this last year, because that's what is out there. It is nice to know the newest of the new, but it is better to know what your client/job is using.
    I'm sure that during this course, there will be enough material to show you generically how to administer "Linux". Going from RedHat 5.x to 6.0
    should be a no-brainer afterward.


    Michael J. Ball
    Open Source Who's Who
  • Can you say "learned helplessness"?
    Beer recipe: free! #Source
    Cold pints: $2 #Product

  • Talk matter-of-factly of "transition from NT" (Score:5)

    by cthompso ( 2283 ) on Friday April 23, 1999 @05:02PM (#1918833)
    As noted above, one sentence from HP's announcement is deadly for MS: "..a transition course for Windows NT administrators"
    I've worked around PHB's for years. This sort of subtle matter-of-fact statement, repeated over time, drives decisions. Silly but true. We should consciously emphasize that NT is legacy stuff. Use the word "still" whenever NT and Windows comes up. "We're still using a lot of NT" ... "OK, so you guys are still on NT" ... "most places still have a lot of NT, so that Win32 client makes sense"....are you still on Windows?
  • Yeah! "[A] transition course for Windows NT administrators" is just the sort of subtle mainstream accpetance that Linux needs to invade the PHB brainspace. Once the PHBs addicted to the notion of "continuous improvement" see the idea of transitioning away from NT to a new product, they will assume that the destination (in this case Linux) is an improvement over the current state of affairs.

    The big difference is that in this case, they'll be right.
  • If you can make an NT box stay up for a month doing anything usefull, you must know something Microsoft does not know when they pressed the NT disks and all them service packs. I see NT crash every night on dozens of computers. Not only that, they are all scheduled for a 23:00 reboot each night. New Technology? Not There. Don't be a fool.
  • The page says
    This 3-day course will cover the practical aspects of installing LINUX and the configuration of network services. LINUX kernel compilation and 'public domain' software installation will also be included.

    I'm willing to overlook the incorrect capitalisation of "Linux". But I strongly suspect they're using "public domain" wrongly.

    To quote "Categories of Free and Non-Free Software" ( link [gnu.org]):
    Public domain software is software that is not copyrighted. It is a special case of non-copylefted free software, which means that some copies or modified versions may not be free at all.
    Sometimes people use the term ``public domain'' in a loose fashion to mean ``free'' or ``available gratis.'' However, ``public domain'' is a legal term and means, precisely, ``not copyrighted''. For clarity, we recommend using ``public domain'' for that meaning only, and using other terms to convey the other meanings.

  • From now on I'm referring to all Micros~1 systems as "legacy windows machines".

  • Day One: "Hi, I'm Joe, and I'm an NT addict."

    Hee hee.

    Seriously, the AA stuff about being out of control, powerless, a slave to the addictive substance, does have some relevance to companies and IT departments that take that first oh-so-easy step and then get entangled and dependent on one push^H^H^H^Hsupplier.

  • Yeah, we like the bit about "a transition course for Windows NT administrators." I wonder if that'll be like a 12-step program

    My name is Chuck and I'm a, a {sob} NT Admin. It used to be so easy! Just pop in a CD, type setup, collect a paycheck. But then I started becoming weak and dependant on 'upgrades' and 'service paks'. Next thing I knew I couldn't do anything without paying my local pusher $89.95 a hit. It was either that or go to jail. But I do beleive in a higher power which can break the devastating grip it has had on my career and my family. Thank you

    Chuck
  • ahem. so who is working on all these Linux products that companies are announcing, if not people employed to do Linux work? for that matter, *I* am be employed to do Linux work.
  • Honently, WinNT can be made to be "relativly" (to Win95/8) stable, it can run a ok load, to some good stuff, look pretty. But it does take a significant amount of work to, i've never done it (Why? i just run linux, i dont need to tweak the fuck out of it to make it stable, it already is) but i've seen part of what it takes, quite a bit. Look how much tweaking went into that one crazy microsoft spondered test my mindsomething, that is a lot of work to do that none of the technicicans there could do w/o help from microsoft. Yeh, and the still felt they need to run a fucked version of linux (2.2.2 = buggy, specially /w ms clients, NASTY), give it less memory, and disable speed things. ha. That test really showed how much work it is to run a NT box. I say don't bother.
  • wtf is this a flame or something?

    Why do AC's always say things like this.
    Smarten Up.
  • They will probably transition over to 6.0 soon - but 6.0 is NOT out yet :).

    In addition, it could be useful to teach people how to upgrade the kernel, libraries, etc...

  • I agree. If I pay for a course, it really needs to be worth my while. I didn't take courses for any of my MCSE exams, and that certification does have real monetary value.
  • They're going to teach an old version of RedHat?
    6.0 comes out in May. Will people really want to pay for learning an already obsolete OS?
  • So many times MS talked about NT migration from Unix in the past years, are we now at the Linux migration from NT?? This is so funny! I'm sure Billy Boy would be pissed off if we used the same kind of buzz words that he did and suceed where he didn't ! ;P
  • Should I get off my dead butt and
    learn as much as I can on my own?

    Then take this course to fill in the
    blanks and pickup the "paper"?

    How much could I expect to make?

    questions questions questions
  • Right on target. Maybe FUD, but I like it. BTW, I haven't moved to Linux (yet). Golden rule. Who has the gold makes the rules.

    Do your planning based on where Linux will be two years or so from now. With heavyweights like IBM behind it, it will grow in ways not yet imagined. Still a lot of stuff to sort out, in particular how to mix Customer-Proprietary, Vendor-Proprietary, BSD-licensed, LGPL-licensed, GPL-licensed, Public-Domain software into the systems infrastructure. (I think I missed some in that list, but you get the idea.)

    Just think. Whenever Windows2000 does come out, Instant Legacy. HeHe ;-)
  • The problem is they need to use a term for publically acessible software, without regard for the specifics of licensing terms, and public domain (no caps) is probably the only viable choice to minimize confusion with PHBs and the general public. Further 'public domain' is quoted, so the reader is alerted to the fact that the usage does not necessarily conform to the readers understanding of the definition of the term. From HP to its intended audience, the usage is correct. From Linux-oriented, *BSD-oriented, or GPL-oriented to any audience, the usage would not be correct, but an explanation of licensing terminology would be in order.

    LINUX == shouting Linux, pay attention.

  • "No, dammit, you DON'T HAVE TO REBOOT. Take your hand off the power switch. I know it's hard to accept, but it's true. Just trust me. Seriously, leave it up. Don't reboot it. It's fine. No, you won't have to reboot it tomorrow. It'll stay up. I promise. Don't worry about the blue screen. Eveything's going to be all right...."

    Gonna be a tough one to teach, IMHO. :)
  • provided you don't ask it to do too much.

    I know you're trolling and I should probably ignore your post, but I'm just LOOKING for an excuse right now to talk about the poor design of IIS.

    Let's talk what a bad idea it is to allow user programs (ISAPI extensions and COM objects) to run in the same process space as the webserver. When the object chokes, it takes inetinfo.exe down with it -- nice. Good luck getting IIS to restart successfully without rebooting. Let's talk about the limitations of trying to run multiple (200+) threads in a single process in the first place.

    "So forget ISAPI and that stuff. Just write CGIs." Wrong again. Let's talk about the overhead of loading a new process in NT. Let's talk about how SLOW it makes your server. Let's talk about the fact that Microsoft's own tech notes say not to do this. They suggest using ISAPI and COM objects which brings you right back around to the first problem.

    I think ISAPI, ASP, and COM are very cool, but their implementation in IIS is practically begging for an excuse to crash the webserver.
  • Linux unlike Windows doesn't become incompatible just because a version number changes. Second clear up your ideas, Redhat is not an OS it is a distribution. Just like Valenti motors in my town is not a car and not even a carmaker, they are car dealers. RedHat might sponsor kernel development but Linux [TM] Linus Torvalds not Linux [TM] RedHat
  • Seriuosly though, any OS that reboots itself every morning needs to be looked at.

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