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The Latest Transmeta Rumor 116

Today's Transmeta rumor is from Red Herring. Their story gives more details than the c't article we pointed to earlier this week, but is still full of unattributed info. Supposedly Transmeta's "real" Web site will debut with ruffles and flourishes Monday evening when Linus Torvalds gives his Comdex keynote speech, and all these little advance leaks are supposed to pique our curiosity about what he's going to say. Okay, mine's piqued. How about yours?
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The Latest Transmeta Rumor

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  • It can't kill me. Please don't let it kill me. If it kills me I'll never get to hear what he has to say!


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  • It is becoming clear that "Transmeta" is a big, big joke on the lot of us.

    I would like to thank everyone involved in the prank for all the entertainment they have given us over the past few months.

    Getting Linus involved was a masterstroke.

    Thanks again, guys.
  • All I know is that if it turns out to be really lame like a giant abacus.. I'm going to be really, really disappoointed!

  • Perhaps Linus has been rewriting something for a big corporation in Redmond? :-(
    I doubt many of us have any idea what they are really up to. Those patents could have been red herrings.

  • That reminds me of an old joke that was in an early adult adventure game on the Sinclair ZX81 -

    There was a dirty toilet in a pub and if you read the walls the graffiti said
    "Computer programmers PEEK before they POKE".


    ... I never did understand that
  • Ooh, ohh, Transmeta news again! So fscking what; its hype like this that leads to vaporware. I want to see a somewhat operating beta, or even a crappy alpha, before I start buying into any rumored tech. It seems a bit odd that Slashdot would be the one's to contribute to the reduction of the signal/noise ratio, as they're usually pretty good about checking rumors. But this one invokes the name of the mighty Linus, so of course people stand up and take notice. I'm as big a Linux fan as the next bloke and would certainly love to see Transmeta as a reality, but all of this fanfare over baseless speculation (um, Transmeta isn't actually scheduled. To quote the article in reference: "Pundits predict Linus Torvalds, Linux operating system creator and Transmeta software engineer, will let the cat out of the bag. That's not the plan." Great source, those pundits) is becoming tiresome.

    Deosyne
  • I'm very fond of the way that Transmeta has been building hype without even doing much. Or at least that's what they want you to think. These things are usually carefully orchestrated. (And it's even more fun when done in a Kaufman-esque style.)

    Just think, when this company actually lets on what it's doing, they could IPO imediately, and instantly, a new tech stock, hype hype hype.... they'd be a threat to anyone in their market.
  • When they go public, I'm dropping some cash just on principal. If what they have is half of what they elude to . . . . .
  • The news icon pretty much sucks.

    Why not a great, big, ominous obelisk, like in that much-hyped sci-fi movie we all hate to love?

  • On one hand, the chip will run Java faster than anything out there, because it will "morph" Java Virtual instructions into real instructions.

    On the other hand, if this chip run just about
    any machine code, it makes the need for Java
    less of an issue.

    Though eventually, people will want to code to a common binary format. This universal instruction set could be Java if Sun loosens up.
  • Normally I ignore flamebait like this, but this particularly bothers me.

    Where is it written that...

    1. Your most treasured "techies" work on your web page?

    2. The Web is the be-all and end-all of any commercial venture?

    3. A company even has to have a web page to be a useful part of society?

    Yeesh.

  • And "On a clear disk you can SEEK forever" ...
    I guess the word meta in Transmeta implies some sort of higher order control.
    So - what are some good business advantages of being able to change your processor instruction set?
  • Haven't we heard this before somewhere else? Didn't Mr. Gates always tell us: "We're working on something that is really beautiful and will make the way we do our computing more fun." and then proceeds to give us windos 9x? I sure hope TM doesn't pull that joke on us...
  • But where is it written that any of your points are NOT true either? That is why this is a rumor, and should be taken as such, and carefully examined as such, and not have knee-jerk reactions taken to as such. As such. :)

    ---
    Tim Wilde
    Gimme 42 daemons!
  • The Transmeta website -has- been updated, since the rumours started. Their brief webpage is now Y2K-compliant, for example. (Or so they -say-, but can we be sure? :) According to the comments, there are also definitely no typos in the web page.

    According to Netcraft, they are using Apache 1.1.1, which is OLD! Old old old old old! Ancient, even!

    As for the rumours, we'll know when we know, and not before. Amiga proved that, rather better than they'd hoped, and certainly not in the way they intended.

    If there's a major announcement on Monday, it'll be just in time to send major shock-waves through the stock markets (already reeling from the Microsoft "finding of fact"), and (depending on what any such announcement even is) may make the hardware industry rather jittery. We're approaching the year 2000, and many companies are bracing for lawsuits, computer & hardware failures within their own sites, and other such pleasentry. Revolutionary hardware, which redefines what a computer is, is not on the list of things IT managers want, right now.

    But we don't even know what it is that Transmeta is doing! We have a handful of patents, most of old technology (according to the dates) and we've no idea if any final product released will make use of any of it. It might, it might not. We don't know, we have no way of knowing, we don't even know if these were real, or defensive smokescreens to protect trade secrets.

    The only people who -do- know may or may not say anything on Monday, or any other day of the week, any week of the year, any year until the end of the NEXT millenium.

    Speculation, at this point, is based on 4 lines of web page, 3 patents of uncertain age & purpose, a job list, and a list of associated companies, none of which mesh in any way that I can see, unless this is a combined graphics, sound & regular processor, any segment of which can emulate in a mix of hardware & firmware any other processor of that type.

    This seems improbably complex, unless Transmeta have moved to wafer-scales (which I'd like to see) but since they don't fab and no other plant can do 0.18 micron wafer-scale, with any reliability, it seems unlikely.

  • I don't care anymore.. The thrill of it all is getting to me. No matter what they produce, be it toys, cars or cpus....

    I want one... It doesn't matter what it is. I'm gonna buy one... because most likely I'll be able to run Linux on it. ;>

    just my thoughts on it...
  • by JAZ ( 13084 )
    I rememeber someone posting a link to a fictional timeline about transmeta revoltionizing computers and destroying microsoft and intel. I really cool, and often comical but I cannot find the link anywhere. Does anyone have it?

    Thanks,

    jaz

  • by adimarco ( 30853 ) on Friday November 12, 1999 @03:44AM (#1539825) Homepage

    Regardless of what product Transmeta eventually produces (assuming they actually do produce a product someday), you must admit they have a brilliant, practically Zen approach to Public Relations.

    It doesn't matter if their product turns out to be vaporware, or the second coming of Christ in the form of a microprocessor, they've got us all so worked up over it that Linus could just walk up to the podium and eat a bowl of cereal at Comdex and we'd provide days of analysis and discussion on what we thought his body language revealed. Fscking *brilliant* :)

    In a world becoming increasingly accustomed to ridiculous amounts of needless information on simply *everything* they've distinguished themselves from the pack in the only way possible: by providing no information whatsoever.

    (Note that by [not] distinguishing themselves in this way, they've actually created a higher information density...)

    I'm simply in awe, and undoubtedly waiting just as eagerly as the rest of you...

    Anthony

    ^X^X
    Segmentation fault (core dumped)
  • On the one hand, the Red Herring article does have the merit of naming six members of the board of directors, which hasn't happened to date. (Most of the "Hype" articles never figure out that David Ditzel is head of the operation...)

    On the other hand, they continue to get themselves confused as to the merits of the processor design that "falls out of the patent list."

    • "Well, it won't be about PCs."
      Even though Transmeta's patents indicate that its chips are x86 compatible, it isn't a given that it will join the bloody desktop PC battle.

      But laptops aren't that different. And Intel keeps on increasing transistor counts on CPUs, whilst prices don't rise (much), which means that the simple passage of time combined with Moore's law will push them into the "bloody" battle eventually.

    • And it appears that the media don't grasp the notion of isomorphism:
      In other words, Transmeta's chip could translate instruction sets -- the machine-language instructions that a processor understands -- into its own native code. Theoretically, such a chip could run software that's designed to run on just about any kind of chip architecture -- for example, Intel's x86 family of processors.

      If a "Transmeta 400" can sit in a box beside my desk and execute IA-32 instructions, then it is isomorphic to the Pentium Pro that sits in a box beside my desk and executes IA-32 instructions.

      In effect, they're basically the same. Even if Transmeta has some slick new ways of getting those IA-32 instructions to be executed, the fact that they're doing the same thing undercuts the argument that they're somehow different.

  • i want one?

    I want their whole productline!

  • I almost didn't read the article, merely because of their choice of domain name. "Red Herring" doesn't exactly inspire me with glowing confidence. This was rather irritatingly justified. Rumour-mongers!

    I have to hand it to them - they're buzzword compliant, and yet completely devoid of content. So all they have to do is find out what keywords get sudden floods of eyeballs, make up a couple of things about it, and presto! Banner spin heaven!

    My favourite part was the headline that reads "An insider's look at Linus Torvald's super-secretive company." And then later in the article it says "For the record, Mr. Torvalds yesterday didn't respond to Redherring.com's inquiries."

    yeehaw. hype.
    -blarg
  • According to Netcraft, they are using Apache 1.1.1, which is OLD! Old old old old old! Ancient, even!
    Offtopic, I know, but I did email their postmaster (only address I could think of) saying that they should really upgrade - if only for security's sake...

    Let's face it, however. Whatever is announced will be a) expensive and b) a long time coming.
  • This is stupid! We don't even know what the Transmeta chip does for sure! How can anyone say "It will make or break Java" -- Java is doing just fine right now. Every day more developers jump on the Java-wagon, so how could Transmeta's chip break it? Only if *everyone* ran the Transmeta chip, and if said chip could run different architechtures *simultaneously*, which I rather doubt it could.

    And why would Sun have to loosed up? They're handling Java pretty well -- What do you want them to do, GPL it??

    -----------

    "You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."

  • > If there's a major announcement on Monday, it'll be just in time to send major shock-waves through the stock markets (already reeling from the Microsoft "finding of fact"),

    You're right, Monday will see some major stir in the stock markets. But not because of Micro$oft; that was this week. Not because of Transmeta, that's not even publically traded yet.

    No, the hero of the day will be Corel. Corel will present its Linux distro at Comdex, and that'll be the day when the unwashed masses will notice that Corel is a Linux company too, and drive its stock price to Red Hat hights. Corel go! I'm in, are you too?

  • a few years ago a Mr Brown described a scheme called "throwaway compiling". A bit like a JIT compiler but using limited workspace for generated code; if you ever run out of workspace everything was thrown away (except program state of course.)

    very simple and effective and mostly ignored.

    But apply that scheme to translating opcodes on the fly, using the CPU cache to hold the translated codes... Oops, instant universal CPU. (and if this counts a prior publication and transmeta are doing something else that's another patent blocked :-)

  • With all the hype surrounding this company, they'd better come out with something pretty spectacular. If it isn't a supercomputer that will fit in a watch, run everything in my home and also walk the dog, then I'm afraid its no go... ;)
  • Ooh, ohh, Transmeta news again! So fscking what; its hype like this that leads to vaporware.

    Remember my friend, transmeta is not the ones hyping themselves. They are just secretive. And with all the top folks they've got -- well, then the press starts to speculate. It's the press that hype transmeta into the sky -- not the company itself. Therefore, I don't think it'll effekt their products.

    I want to see a somewhat operating beta, or even a crappy alpha,

    For all we know, they're through with both alfa and betatesting their thingomajigs. That's something we don't know anything about. They've not released anything, or said what they're going to release. In other words, their entire "hype" has been rumors. Of course, their website backs it up, but how fun it must be, to be those blokes in transmeta -- looking at how the press speculates, and then -- just for the kicks of it, they make that website.. :-)


    My point? Well, I don't think we should say "hype leads to vaporware" -- when its not they themselves that makes the hype.


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  • Hmm, I just thought I would like to get my personal prediction onto /. now so that when I'm right I can link back to this and show people how clever I was :-)

    I think it's gonna be a chip designed for use in laptop / palm size devices that will run (at least one) full-scale O/S. It will have in-built support for various communications protocols (in much the same way as MMX has support for various multimedia tricks right now) and the reprogrammability of the chip will allow for upgrading with further protocols in the future.

    The potential dream use? A "tricorder" style device, basically a fully sized computer with instant always-on wireless access to the Internet.

    Even if it's not this, can someone please get their asses in gear and make one g'dammit!

  • According to WhoIs:

    The Coordinator is Transmeta Hostmaster (hostmaster@transmeta.com)
    Tel: (408) 327 9830
    Fax: (408) 327-9840
    • Slightly Serious

      Maybe they have been waiting for MSFT to have a bit of slippage, with the intent to pounce at that point.

      (Although Paul Allen, investor, also holds lots of MSFT stock, and thus would get hurt by this... Not too plausible...)

    • Illuminati [prolognet.qc.ca] Watch Out

      They're using old technology. There are connections to Europe.

      Perhaps this is actually an End of Days scenario; they plan to make an announcement that will help Imminnetize the Eschaton (sp? I've not read the RAW trilogy in quite some time).

  • I've already decided that Corel Linux will be by distribution of choice (without even touching it).

    Why?

    Cause it has that professional polished look I like about windows. And belive it or not, corporate development always produces much more complete polished products. Corel is a professional company (look at Corel Draw for example - very nice). I'm looking forward to drooling over it when I get my hands on a copy.
    From the screen shots it functionally looks like Windows 2000 :) (KFM/IE5 anyway).
  • PEEK and POKE is the way you dink memory directly in BASIC... at least on Commodore 64s. Wow was that a long time ago... I assume that's the reference...
  • Hrm... I don't know if I'm stating the obvious here, but on old Apple IIs PEEK and POKE commands were a means of writing and reading directly to/from system memory and CPU registers.

    You could do fun things like freeze the machine, disable system key combinations, or just generally make the machine act like it was going to explode. The Apples has no concept of "protected" memory like (some of us) do now. :).

    Oh... and I guess it is A Good Thing (tm) to examing the memory with PEEK before you overwrite it with POKE.

    Heh. Just a wild guess. I could be wrong.
  • So Monday night their website might be down? It would be kinda funny to think that all this time they've had the ability to take thousands of hits per minute just for a few lines of html.

    They can't play this no-news-sudden-news thing without expecting masses of website interest the moment they finally put something up there.

    More interesting than *what* it says, will be if, on Monday night, it actually says anything at all!...
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Yes... I feel your pain...but as a former first poster (I scored mine a couple months ago) I know what you went through. Here's where you screwed up though.. YOU DIDN'T PULL THE TRIGGER. You didn't carpe diem..

    Yep... When I saw that nice clean article with no posts I didn't hesitate, yes the adrenaline was surging... my palms were wet, heart pounding. I was standing at the peak of greatness... I knew I had but one thing to do, there was no turning back now... I rapidly typed in a one word post.. then with no hesitation I navigated my mouse over the submit button...and WHAM..seconds later I was looking at my feeble post with a #1 attached to the header. At that mmoment I knew a feeling that only few will ever know...I was at one with Slashdot... Zen masters and Kings will relate I'm sure. That one sweet moment when the ying and the yang converge..bliss... eternal bliss..ahhh

    Then I smoked a cigarette and went to bed.
  • because they're not going to want anyone to hack in and replace it with anything... say, a page with a whole bunch of goof-off rumors, fake logos, etc, etc, to make people think that they've released something (which would be obviously fake to some people, but then, since all we have now is rumors and speculation, some people would believe it.. at least for a while)

    so, my guess is they have somebody (not necessarily a techie, I guess) looking in on things, you know?
  • Why is it that, because Linus is involved with Transmeta, there is no minor uproar over their filing of software patents. I seem to remember an 'Ask Slashdot' a couple of days ago where the 'askers' were flamed for wanting to file patents on their IP. The general feeling was that software patents are inherently evil, and that all software should be solely under the GPL.

    What has changed since then? Linus Torvalds, the god of Linux and the hero of the OSS revolution is working for a company that files patents on all of its ideas and *GASP* requires NDAs in order to see their work. Why has no one noticed this? *sarcasm>Is it because it's Linus, and He can do no wrong */sarcasm>? Or are people realising that there is a time and a place for OSS and the GPL, and this might not be it?

  • I know!!! Transmeta is working on making Linux more user friendly and productive, just like Windows 2000. They've spent the past two years adding all the features users are familiar with: BSOD (Essential) Multiple reboots during installation The Bubble Boy worm And many more... ;P
  • Although Paul Allen, investor, also holds lots of MSFT stock, and thus would get hurt by this... Not too plausible..

    Paul Allen is one of the smartest investors out there, it would be interesting to see just exactly how much he has invested. If anything I would watch him and see where his money goes in the next few months. Cause if Paul starts to pull his money out of Microsoft, you can bet there will be a following, which would hurt Microsoft badly. Who knows, maby Paul has a heart and doesn't want to hurt Mircosoft, and sees Transmeta as a way to hedge his losses :)
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Even if they _do_ release a great CPU it doesn't matter because that other CPU company will make sure there are no motherboards for the new chip.
  • This is one of my "kill "THE MAN"" fantasies:

    1. Intel has overlooked a HUGE Y2K issue that is present in all of their microprocessors. (Possibly intentionally)

    2. Transmeta, while developing their rumored mystery chip discovered the flaw.

    3. Come January 1, 2000, everyone with an Intel chip has Y2K issues. (Big or small)

    4. Come January 19, 2000, Transmeta has new inexpensive microprocessor/motherboard combo that will solve the problem.

    5. Intel's bottom line plummets and Transmeta becomes the new "MAN"

    6. A week later, I begin to make my plans to take Transmeta down. ;P

    The Demonbitch has spoken

  • by jabber ( 13196 ) on Friday November 12, 1999 @04:33AM (#1539858) Homepage
    Oh, I see what they're doing....

    Nothing! They wait for speculations to converge, and then work towards realising that goal. It is quite brilliant. They're letting the industrys wildest dreams and fantasies define their product line.

    This way, when they deliver what everyone has, in effect, suggested to them, they'll be hailed as visionaries and innovators of the greatest caliber.

    It's like Microsoft's focus-group driven market research, only in the open-source way... They didn't solicit. Whatever we thought was useful, we gladly contributed to creating....

    Or maybe they're just openning up a penguin farm.
  • You forget that it will run a 100 handheld beowulf clustor from just 1 watch battery for a month.
  • It's higher order control of transformers.

    Basically what Transmeta will be announcing is their new Pic-based stepper-motor control device, which turns the knob on Variacs via software control. Specificially, it provides a programming interface for higher order languages. Right now only English, but they are working on Slovakian and Sanskrit.
  • At present, particularly on Slashdot, Transmeta is just the nth extension of the Cult-of-Linus.


    Nothing more.

    Nothing less.
  • You think Transmeta is in with the AISB? I'd always wondered to what extent the 5 were involved with the creation of Linux. My bet is that Linus is actually a deep cover agent for the ELF...

    The Eschaton will shortly be Immanentized. "The Great Convergance" will imho be the vehicle this time around fnord.

    For further information, consult your pineal gland. All Hail Eris. Prosecutors will be transgressicuted.

    Anthony DiMarco, KSC


    ^X^X
    Segmentation fault (core dumped)
  • Paul Allen has been characterized more than a few times as one of the most cash-rich clueless investors on the face of the earth. There was a good article about this in Wired magazine back when Wired was worth reading (numerous years ago, now)
  • The cult of Linus reaches far and wide.

    And Man does it have devout Monks!!
  • They're letting the industrys wildest dreams and fantasies define their product line.

    Funny you should say this. After one of the recent Slashdot/Transmeta rumor fests, I was telling a friend of mine how the guys at Transmeta could have been playing Quake until now, and all they'd have to do is read the Slashdot thread to get about 10,000 incredible ideas for things they could do. Sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Anthony


    ^X^X
    Segmentation fault (core dumped)
  • Because patents and NDAs are not necessarily a bad thing. Whatever it is that Transmeta produces and might even realize some day, as long as there is documentation and openness about it once you have to decide whether to buy it and once you are fiddling to get your kernel working on it, there is no problem. (sorry if I took your post too seriously)
  • Oh, and peeking and poking is alive and well on the Win32 platform, if yoúr applications are controlling one another through DDE (what OLE used to be, while OLE is what ActiveX used to be).

    Of course, on the Commodore machines you were poking and peeking directly into memory addresses. That use to be the easiest way to load a machine language game from BASIC - you'd set up a For/Next loop to poke the code into a block of memory space, the popular one beginning at 49152. Boy was it easy to program back then!

  • Thats quite alright. I was trying to be serious.

    Youre saying that these things that usually tend to repulse /. readers can be good when the product is in development? I can see how this would benifit all.

    If they were completely open (with the source, I mean) from the get-go, people would see the maturation of the code and would begin to read things into it (like the prototype for an as-yet unwritten function with a enigmatic name) creating all sorts of undue and unwanted hype. Should the developer hit a snag and have to backtrack a bit and go in another direction, all sorts of things would be read into that, again creating some hype, or even a little FUD (albeit generated by the masses).

    PS. I guess the community is split over the inherent good/evil of NDAs and patents. hmmmm.

  • by mochaone ( 59034 ) on Friday November 12, 1999 @05:04AM (#1539874)
    (in a Charlton Hestonian accent) It's People !!!!!!!! It's People !!!!!!!!!!!! Transmeta Is People !!!!!!!!!!!!
  • This could be exactly what's happening.
    But if it is, it means we would still have to wait quite a while for 'it' to come out. :(

    Or, if it's a penguin farm, I say the penguins need a home!
  • Hopefully this will start another trend. Every single good software company creates their own distro. Not good because of the confusion and compatibility problems, but really good because of the amount of competition that will be generated, new money pouring in, clueless newbies willing to pay 50$/hr for support (hint, hint), more exposure, more eyeballs, less bugs, more momentum, etc.
  • About one year ago Boris Babajan had a speach on some celebration. Here is a few quotes from his speach(in really bad translation):

    ...In 1991 when we made Elbrus-3 one american aspirant that knew about our work made speach about on one conference. Immideatly to us arrived leading "worker" from HP.They tried to convince us for a long time to work together. Later cleared out that in the same time HP started new project that after creating in 1994 alians between Intel and HP became Merced. I don't want to say that something was stolen from us. But we told everything.In 1991 we hadn't much expirience so we didn't took any papers. We think that at least we had really strong influnce on HP that they moved on this way. This is a new way in CPU architecture, the post-RISC one, the way of parallelism in command system(have no idea how to translate it right). If you will look at Merced it's same architecture as Elbrus-3. Maybe there is some differences but not to the better side.
    ...We worked for a long time with Sun.with us used to work David Ditzel great westerrn that first made us of word RISC. He was David Piterson in 1981 wrote artice talking about advantages of RISC and tried to convince companies to move to it. In 1991 he arrives to us after we speaked with Billy Joe and began to work with us. We worked together for 3 great years.I got his letters when he speaking about our architecture (Elbrus-3?) as about great one. Later he left Sun.He didn't succed to convince his company to make our architecture the main one. Then he formed his own company, Transmeta, where he continiued to develop same architecture that exist in Elbrus-3, architecture of wide command word(VLIW??) based on binaru compilation(binary tranlation system???), but in a bit different variant.....
    The impostance of this two exmaples shows that now, in post-superscalar world there is only 3 place where developed wide command word(VLIW?) architicture. First place is Moscow, our collective, second is HP-Intel, and third it's Transmeta together with IBM and Texas Instruments.That's It ! No one else has this technology. In order to develop it you need at least 10 years. Of coursse you can clone(steal) it. It's always fast. But to develop it independetly takes a lot of time...

    The url for the whole speach is here [inter.net.ru]. In russian of course.
  • For me it's 9:30 am, and it's not too early, it's too late.

    Please, have mercy on my poor, sleepy soul. :)
  • Transmeta updated their site! It now says (drumroll...) :

    This web page is not here yet!
    ...but it is Y2K compliant.

    Wow.
  • My man, you must have had a great imagination... ;-)
  • I'd be willing to bet they're chaste too.
  • That should solve the big-endian vs. little-endian debate once and for all.

  • There is a difference between hardware and software. Transmeta's patents all seem to cover hardware devices. I don't see a dilemma there (barring the question of the legitimacy of 'Intellectual Property').

    --
    QDMerge [rmci.net] 0.4!
  • The last Hofstadter work that I read was Creative Analogies and Fluid Concepts, and that was in 1996.

    Mapping emulated instructions onto the "true" instructions on the processor that's doing the emulating is nicely representative of the notion of "isomorphism." Whatever compiler tools are involved will need to provide some sort of one-to-one mapping of sets of IA-32 instructions onto sets of "Transmeta Chip" instructions; if that is not an isomorphism, I don't know what is.

  • Naaah - serious man!

    I distinctly remember a game package (can you believe it) for the ZX81 called "Can O Worms" which had "adult" games.

    Around the same time, there was definitely an adventure, which was a kind of text based "Leisure Suit Larry" type game, where the quote comes from.

    I remember it so clearly because I was only about 11 at the time and I *really* wanted to get a look at those games, but only ever got a chance to read the reviews in Computer & Video Games.

  • Anyone want to take 10:1 odds that transmeta's website goes down within 5 minutes of the "release"? 100:1? (2 ** 64):1?
  • by Booker ( 6173 )
    >>According to the comments, there are also definitely no typos in the web page.

    No, there are no *tyops* in the web page...

    -- There are no secret messages in the source code to this web page. --
    -- There are no tyops in this web page. --

    :-)
  • Hmmm, I won't deny the possiblity of this, though i must say, i will be really disappointed if Linus' involvement is merely a marketing tool. Also, if it does turn out to be a joke, i will be far less than impressed, the exception to that being if it's been intended as a joke all along. That would actually amuse me greatly, even though i know the jokes on me in a way. Interesting bit of sociology/psychology to study too.

    Anyway, my curiosity is definately piqued, and i really want to see what they come up with. I hope it really is something uber-cool. Guess we all get to wait and see, and even if your of the opinion that it's all a big prank, the suspense will likely be insane.
  • Hey all. I'm one of the few who read the entirety of the "finding of fact." Based on this, and what else I know of transmeta, my conclusion is that this may be part of a bigger ploy to marginalize linux on x86 to M$'s benefit.

    The way I heard the rumors, and through some intel gathering efforts by some 3rd parties, transmeta is working on a badass processor. It will run linux (why in hell else would torvalds be working at a semiconductor company, rather than a software company). This is fine and good for us all. Fast processors for a cool OS.

    But wait...transmeta's bankrolled by one of the MS heavies...what would they have to gain by making hardware linux could run on (remember, they've put a lot of effort into being top dog on x86, why would they create another hardware platform, and invite others in)?

    My hypothesis is this: Most Linux users use x86 because they originally had a windows machine, and installed linux on it. They may have bought more linux machines since. This is a weak point in the barrier to entry in the PC OS market. Because the new linux user doesn't have to buy new hardware to start using linux, it is a cheap and readly available alternative to windows on x86. If, to reap the full benefits of Linux, one had to either buy new hardware, or be content with relatively poor performance, the average windows user would be LESS likely to run linux, thus protecting the barrier to entry on the x86 OS market. If this new hardware would be incompatible with x86 hardware, businesses may be less likely to use it for their machines, because parts and support would be much more scarce and expensive than their x86 counterparts.

    In short, I believe two things are possibly the REAL motive behind transmeta:

    a) MS is tired of intel and wants more control over the CPU's windows runs on, and needs the OS of early adopters on board to help it take off.

    -or-

    b) Transmeta is a means by which MS can hurt Linux as a viable alternative to windows on x86, thus protecting the applications barrier to entry on that platform, protecting their monopoly.

    just some conjecture...make your own decision

    dan
  • Transmeta and Linus is always fun and interesting, but it can get to much of the good stuff. When things like "I've heard from my hairdresser whose seventh cousins' husband knows someone that works at Transmeta, that they're doing hamsterhairdryers." is posted as a separate story, it's gone ot far. If you feel the urge to post every Transmeta rumor (you know, you could just wait until they actually DO something) then please put them together in quickie type box. =)

    Just my 0.02 euro.
  • You know.. no one would give a rat's ass about transmeta doing nothing if they hadn't hired a pack of famous internet personalities. If I, the nameless internet dweeb, were to start up a company with a nifty name and simply say "I'm not telling you what I'm making! Not only that, but I won't be putting anything out for years!," not one person in the world would give me a second glance.

    I suppose when microsoft comes out with vaporware, it's bad. However, when something involving the holy linus comes out with vaporware, it's the second coming of christ.
  • If I've got the html right.
    The Last Dinosaur and the Tarpits of Doom [muq.org]
  • From www.transmeta.com [transmeta.com]:
    "This web page is not here yet!
    ...but it is Y2K compliant. "

    From Netcraft [netcraft.com]:
    www.transmeta.com is running Apache/1.1.1 on Linux

    Isn't Apache 1.1.1 a tad, er, non-Y2K compliant? (I know there are several security concerns WRT that ancient a ver of Apache). At least they use Linux :-)
    ---
  • There's a thing apparently noone noticed. According the latest patent, they check for segment limits via software (reportedly, Intel has a patent to do that in hardware), and the included code (meta-code?) does the compare with zero and 0xffffffff (ie. they compare a number via the maximum possible value in 32 bit arithmetics -- and this code is even present in the "superoptimized" version of the code too...).

    That "proves" the CPU is not a 32 bit one... So, maybe the x86 compatibility is just a big plus, maybe the main thing is really different :) But maybe a 64-bit PC compatible processor is big enough (see this [linuxtoday.com].)

    That crusoe thing is another easily confirmable, they have three refused trademark applications for the word "Crusoe", (available via search only at the USPTO [uspto.gov] web site, no constant URL's, search for crusoe, the applications are: 75-708413, 75-706113 and 75-706048).

  • Everybody was thinking of "Java Chips" a couple years ago:

    None of these have really gone anywhere in terms of influencing Java deployment.

    The only way they would have been important is if:

    • Network Computers [hex.net] had taken off, but they didn't.
    • Java was getting deployed heavily in embedded systems. That factor is not evident.
  • Is Transmeta publically traded?
  • The "fabled" adult game of yesteryear was Interlude, which might theoretically be accessible at TRS-80 Revived Pages. [trs-80.com]

    It was advertised in good 'ol 80 Microcomputing with nothing more "explicit" than a attractive woman with subtly suggestive cleavage. (None of the "WWF World Class Implant" thing games selleers use these days...)

  • Ah, but they never claimed the *server* was compliant. The *html file*, though, is unlikely to harbor any Y2K bugs :-)
  • Okay. Vaporware is when a company announces a product and never releases it.
    Transmeta, on the other hand, has announced absolutely nothing.
    They could release one of those plastic birds that bobs its head up and down, and it'd still be more than what they announced.
    --
  • Around the same time, there was definitely an adventure, which was a kind of text based "Leisure Suit Larry" type game, where the quote comes from.

    I think the game you are talking about is "Soft-Porn Adventure", which was later revamped, had pictures added, and became "Leisure Suit Larry I".
  • Yeah that's what I've always heard. That and that Bill encourages Paul to invest (in anything - witness the ugly Jimi Hendrix museum going up in Seattle) so that no one else has a chance in hell of coming vaguely close to Bill's share in MS.
  • Thanks but that's not quite what I was looking for. the page I remember was specifically transmeta killing wintel with a revolutionary chip, which at introduction could do every thing a wintel box could do (100% capatible) only faster.

    any other ideas?

  • I've always thought Corel Draw was a very nice product. I think it's very good, and I don't use the advanced features, but I used to use it for doing news paper adverts etc. It was sweet.

    Corel 8 look even better haven't tried Corel 9 tho.

    I think what Corel aparently has already done looks like innovation to me.
    Innovation to me is the same as innovation as Bill Gates calls it. Innovation is something you just look at and go "wow".

    I don't think of Innovation as invention.
  • Your "second coming of Christ" made me remember the brilliant scene in Monthy Python's Life of Brian. Our hero is trying to escape some roman guards by prentending to be one of the raving prophets who stand in the street. At first he tries to give his audience some real good advice, but they just don't get it. When the guards go away and he stops talking in the middle of the sentence, the people get intrigued. The more he denies knowing something, the more sure they are that he is the messiah.


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    http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/brian/brian-16.htm

    BRIAN:
    Consider the lilies...
    ELSIE:
    Consider the lilies?
    BRIAN:
    Uh, well, the birds, then.
    EDDIE:
    What birds?
    BRIAN:
    Any birds.
    EDDIE:
    Why?
    BRIAN:
    Well, have they got jobs?
    ARTHUR:
    Who?
    BRIAN:
    The birds.
    EDDIE:
    Have the birds got jobs?!
    FRANK:
    What's the matter with him?
    ARTHUR:
    He says the birds are scrounging.
    BRIAN:
    Oh, uhh, no, the point is the birds. They do all right. Don't they?
    FRANK:
    Well, good luck to 'em.
    EDDIE:
    Yeah. They're very pretty.
    BRIAN:
    Okay, and you're much more important than they are, right? So, what are you worrying about? There you are. See?
    EDDIE:
    I'm worrying about what you have got against birds.
    BRIAN:
    I haven't got anything against the birds. Consider the lilies.
    ARTHUR:
    He's having a go at the flowers now.
    EDDIE:
    Oh, give the flowers a chance.
    BRIAN:
    Ohh. Look. There was this man, and he had two servants.
    ARTHUR:
    What were they called?
    BRIAN:
    What?
    ARTHUR:
    What were their names?
    BRIAN:
    I don't know. And he gave them some talents.
    EDDIE:
    You don't know?!
    BRIAN:
    Well, it doesn't matter!
    ARTHUR:
    He doesn't know what they were called!
    BRIAN:
    Oh, they were called 'Simon' and 'Adrian'. Now--
    ARTHUR:
    Oh! You said you didn't know!
    BRIAN:
    It really doesn't matter. The point is there were these two servants--
    ARTHUR:
    He's making it up as he goes along.
    BRIAN:
    No, I'm not! ...And he gave them some ta-- Wait a minute. Were there three?
    ARTHUR:
    Ohh.
    EDDIE:
    Oh, he's terrible!
    ARTHUR:
    He's terrible.
    BRIAN:
    There were three.
    ARTHUR:
    Thpppt!
    BRIAN:
    They were-- they were st-- stewards, really.
    ELSIE:
    Aww, get off!
    BRIAN:
    Ooh! Eh, uh, b-- b-- now-- now hear this! Blessed are they...who convert their neighbour's ox, for they shall inhibit their girth,...
    [the guards start to walk away]
    MAN:
    Rubbish!
    BRIAN:
    ...and to them only shall be given-- to them only... shall... be... given...
    [the guards are gone]
    ELSIE:
    What?
    BRIAN:
    Hmm?
    ELSIE:
    Shall be given what?
    BRIAN:
    Oh, nothing.
    ELSIE:
    Hey! What were you going to say?
    BRIAN:
    Nothing.
    ARTHUR and FRANK:
    Yes, you were.
    ELSIE:
    Yes. You were going to say something.
    BRIAN:
    No, I wasn't. I'd finished.
    ELSIE:
    Oh, no you weren't.
    ARTHUR:
    Oh, come on. Tell us before you go.
    BRIAN:
    I wasn't going to say anything. I'd finished.
    ELSIE:
    No, you hadn't.
    BLIND MAN:
    What won't he tell?
    EDDIE:
    He won't say.
    BLIND MAN:
    Is it a secret?
    BRIAN:
    No.
    BLIND MAN:
    Is it?
    EDDIE:
    Must be. Otherwise, he'd tell us.
    ARTHUR:
    Oh, tell us the secret.
    BRIAN:
    Leave me alone.
    YOUTH:
    What is this secret?
    GIRL:
    Is it the secret of eternal life?
    EDDIE:
    He won't say!
    ARTHUR:
    Well, of course not. If I knew the secret of eternal life, I wouldn't say.
    BRIAN:
    Leave me alone.
    GIRL:
    Just tell me, please.
    ARTHUR:
    No. Tell us, Master. We were here first.
    BRIAN:
    Ah!
    GIRL:
    Just tell--
    BRIAN:
    Go away!
    GIRL:
    Tell us, Master.
    GIRL:
    Tell-- Is that His gourd?
    YOUTH:
    We've got this here.
    GIRL:
    It is His gourd! We will carry it for you, Master! Master?
    YOUTH:
    He's gone! He's been taken up!
    GIRL:
    Ahhhh!
    FOLLOWERS:
    For He's been taken up!
    ARTHUR:
    No, there He is. Over there.
    FOLLOWERS:
    Oh, yeah. Master! Master!...
    [FOLLOWERS chase BRIAN]
  • I'm in awe too, even before Y2K! :-)

    Ref: Fawn's in AWE [geekculture.com]

    (Abacus or no abacus)

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