This link is inaccurate. Regarding the Minsky/Epstein thing, the facts are:
Minksy was friends with Epstein, and visited his island in 2002, organizing a conference there. Epstein funded some of Minsky's research to the tune of $100k.
In 2008 Epstein was convicted of prostituting a child and spent time in jail for it. He was also banned from donating to MIT. Minsky must have been aware of this.
In 2011 Minksy organized another conference on Epstein's island. He did not distance himself from a registered sex offender who had admitted prostituting children.
RMS defended Minsky on a few counts. The most controversial is that *if* Minsky had sex with an underage girl, RMS said that she would have presented herself as willing and Minsky would have had no reason to think otherwise. In fact Minksy would have every reason to think otherwise, given Epstein's conviction for child prostitution.
In 2008 Epstein was convicted of prostituting a child and spent time in jail for it. He was also banned from donating to MIT. Minsky must have been aware of this.
In 2011 Minksy organized another conference on Epstein's island. He did not distance himself from a registered sex offender who had admitted prostituting children.
2011 > 2008. That's why he should have thought otherwise.
The most controversial is that *if* Minsky had sex with an underage girl, RMS said that she would have presented herself as willing and Minsky would have had no reason to think otherwise. In fact Minksy would have every reason to think otherwise
The "incident" in question where the "thinking otherwise" was suggested to Minsky didn't happen in 2011. If anything happened there (for which there's not even any evidence), it still happened way before Epstein's conviction. "Thinking otherwise" based on future events is physically impossible.
Yet instead of making that counter-argument, the response was a massive and public temper-tantrum that others were pressured to support through threats, lies and slander.
You notice how I'm not taking to twitter to publicly denounce you and demand that you be fired and ostracized, I'm calmly disagreeing and engaging in discussion. You've never responded to me by demanding I be condemned and driven from Slashdot, even though we disagree constantly. The people trying to destroy Stallman are not so mature,
I mean, people make errors of judgment without being evil.
Agreed, but this has been explained to RMS repeatedly and he has not issued a retraction or apology. If he did so it would make all this go away pretty fast.
In fact Minksy would have every reason to think otherwise, given Epstein's conviction for child prostitution.
1. RMS knows Minsky better than you know Minsky 2. You are advocating RMS imagining Minsky to not consider Epstein's jail time sufficient punishment and keep doubting him for life. 3. RMS just said that it was the most plausible scenario - not the only possibility. Given his personal knowledge of Minsky's personality, it is more plausible to him. If something else is more plausible to you, it is a simple logical discussion with RMS rather than a reason to "denounce" him. RMS has replied to my email on the Emac
EFF Puts its finger on it (Score:5, Insightful)
"serious accusations of misconduct"
Accusations are not enough, especially when most of them are transparently false.
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"serious accusations of misconduct"
Accusations are not enough, especially when most of them are transparently false.
for anyone looking for the facts - rather than the slander - this was covered only yesterday:
https://news.slashdot.org/comm... [slashdot.org]
Re:EFF Puts its finger on it (Score:4, Informative)
This link is inaccurate. Regarding the Minsky/Epstein thing, the facts are:
Minksy was friends with Epstein, and visited his island in 2002, organizing a conference there. Epstein funded some of Minsky's research to the tune of $100k.
In 2008 Epstein was convicted of prostituting a child and spent time in jail for it. He was also banned from donating to MIT. Minsky must have been aware of this.
In 2011 Minksy organized another conference on Epstein's island. He did not distance himself from a registered sex offender who had admitted prostituting children.
RMS defended Minsky on a few counts. The most controversial is that *if* Minsky had sex with an underage girl, RMS said that she would have presented herself as willing and Minsky would have had no reason to think otherwise. In fact Minksy would have every reason to think otherwise, given Epstein's conviction for child prostitution.
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In fact Minksy would have every reason to think otherwise, given Epstein's conviction for child prostitution.
Minsky had reason to think in 2002-2003 otherwise because Epstein would be convicted in 2008? How exactly does that work?
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You stopped reading 1/2 way down.
In 2008 Epstein was convicted of prostituting a child and spent time in jail for it. He was also banned from donating to MIT. Minsky must have been aware of this.
In 2011 Minksy organized another conference on Epstein's island. He did not distance himself from a registered sex offender who had admitted prostituting children.
2011 > 2008. That's why he should have thought otherwise.
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The most controversial is that *if* Minsky had sex with an underage girl, RMS said that she would have presented herself as willing and Minsky would have had no reason to think otherwise. In fact Minksy would have every reason to think otherwise
The "incident" in question where the "thinking otherwise" was suggested to Minsky didn't happen in 2011. If anything happened there (for which there's not even any evidence), it still happened way before Epstein's conviction. "Thinking otherwise" based on future events is physically impossible.
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You notice how I'm not taking to twitter to publicly denounce you and demand that you be fired and ostracized, I'm calmly disagreeing and engaging in discussion. You've never responded to me by demanding I be condemned and driven from Slashdot, even though we disagree constantly. The people trying to destroy Stallman are not so mature,
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I mean, people make errors of judgment without being evil.
Agreed, but this has been explained to RMS repeatedly and he has not issued a retraction or apology. If he did so it would make all this go away pretty fast.
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The president of the ACLU has a good take on the whole situation [wetheweb.org]. Scroll down a bit, she's smart.
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17 year olds do no qualify as children. Unless you live in some states in the USA, which you don't.
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In fact Minksy would have every reason to think otherwise, given Epstein's conviction for child prostitution.
1. RMS knows Minsky better than you know Minsky
2. You are advocating RMS imagining Minsky to not consider Epstein's jail time sufficient punishment and keep doubting him for life.
3. RMS just said that it was the most plausible scenario - not the only possibility. Given his personal knowledge of Minsky's personality, it is more plausible to him. If something else is more plausible to you, it is a simple logical discussion with RMS rather than a reason to "denounce" him.
RMS has replied to my email on the Emac
In fact (Score:2)
I forgot the main point : You are using "In fact" for somebody else's imaginary motive for a hypothetical action.