Seriously guys, we have *got* to start regulating Wall Street and investments more. And do something about wealth inequality. There is way, way too much money at the top and they're throwing it around recklessly. The next crash is going to make 2008 look like the.com boom.
> Seriously guys, we have *got* to start regulating Wall Street and investments more. And do something about wealth inequality.
That's a mixed message. "Doing something about wealth inequality" can be very risky. It's precisely what the National Socialist Party did about foreigners and Jews who'd invested their money in education and businesses, "returning the wealth to the people". It's what Russia did to the Ukraine at nearly the same time, redistributing the land and tools of the wealthier farmers to t
You are attempting to link the Holocaust to Nai policies regarding "wealth redistribution" (which weren't remotely socialist, as we know the word today)
You're also attempting to link the Holocaust and the Holodomor together when they have almost nothing in common.
Not a political ideology, not an economic ideology, not a motive (unless you're one of the Stalin wanted to ice the Ukrainians nuts)
I get the distinct impression you're trying to paint the deadliest white nationalist uprising in history with y
I link the Nazi seizure of Jewish property and foreign assets, and the Russian communist redistribution of working farms, as both being forms of "redistributing the wealth" deeply involved in the death of millions. Whether the National Socialist party was what Bernie Sanders would call socialism isn't the point: it's that both cried out for the "redistribution of wealth" and both slaughtered millions in the process.
The Nazi party painted themselves as saviors from Communism. Each fostered extreme fear of th
I link the Nazi seizure of Jewish property and foreign assets, and the Russian communist redistribution of working farms, as both being forms of "redistributing the wealth" deeply involved in the death of millions.
That's just it.
The Názi seizure of Jewish property and foreign assets was an aside. That was merely the logical thing to do to some group you were planning to exterminate.
Those 2 things can't be linked as "consequences of wealth distribution"
The actions of the Soviet Union and what happened to the Ukrainians, yes. Though of course with even a little bit of nuance, the real problem there wasn't wealth distribution.
> The Názi seizure of Jewish property and foreign assets was an aside. That was merely the logical thing to do to some group you were planning to exterminate.
But it wasn't "an aside". Redistributing wealth fro "those people who don't deserve it!" was part of the point. It didn't have to be logical, it _did_ gain votes and supporters. The same thing happens in Communist revolutions, and it happens in revolutions against royalty. It's a very popular political theme, and one that has often destroyed th
The Nazis simply where a fascist regime, finding a minority which happens to be relatively rich, deprive them from their wealth and kill them.
While both might be (similar?) disgusting, it is quite a difference.
Aka: there is no big difference between "communist revolutions" and e.g. the French revolution, or the American revolution. The communists btw. considered themselves democrats, giving the people option to vote: if they joined the party. At that time, in th
> While both might be (similar?) disgusting, it is quite a difference.
The Communists also hated the Jews. Look up the "Jewish Autonomous Oblast", the Communist prison camp for Jews during World War II.
"Redistributing the wealth" has been a powerful indicator that a political party is rallying hatred and jealousy to kill people, seize the assets, and ruin the economy. More recent examples include South Africa, whose economy effectively collapsed and has still not recovered since the end of apartheid with the "redistribution of wealth" formerly in the hands of Afrikaners, the white colonists of South Africa.
"redistribution of wealth" formerly in the hands of Afrikaners, the white colonists of South Africa. There was no such redistribution as they did not get stripped from their wealth.
They _tried_ to transfer the wealth, especially farm land and industries. Then AIDS hit: South Africa currently has roughly 20% of their population suffering from HIV, and it's according to some studies it's more than 40 times as prevalent among the African population as the Afrikaaners. That's a recipe for racial disparity in the ability to collect or retain wealth, especially as AIDS treatment remains expensive, and a recipe for racial discrimination in hiring workers.
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Seriously guys, we have *got* to start regulating Wall Street and investments more. And do something about wealth inequality. There is way, way too much money at the top and they're throwing it around recklessly. The next crash is going to make 2008 look like the
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> Seriously guys, we have *got* to start regulating Wall Street and investments more. And do something about wealth inequality.
That's a mixed message. "Doing something about wealth inequality" can be very risky. It's precisely what the National Socialist Party did about foreigners and Jews who'd invested their money in education and businesses, "returning the wealth to the people". It's what Russia did to the Ukraine at nearly the same time, redistributing the land and tools of the wealthier farmers to t
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You're also attempting to link the Holocaust and the Holodomor together when they have almost nothing in common.
Not a political ideology, not an economic ideology, not a motive (unless you're one of the Stalin wanted to ice the Ukrainians nuts)
I get the distinct impression you're trying to paint the deadliest white nationalist uprising in history with y
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I link the Nazi seizure of Jewish property and foreign assets, and the Russian communist redistribution of working farms, as both being forms of "redistributing the wealth" deeply involved in the death of millions. Whether the National Socialist party was what Bernie Sanders would call socialism isn't the point: it's that both cried out for the "redistribution of wealth" and both slaughtered millions in the process.
The Nazi party painted themselves as saviors from Communism. Each fostered extreme fear of th
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I link the Nazi seizure of Jewish property and foreign assets, and the Russian communist redistribution of working farms, as both being forms of "redistributing the wealth" deeply involved in the death of millions.
That's just it.
The Názi seizure of Jewish property and foreign assets was an aside. That was merely the logical thing to do to some group you were planning to exterminate.
Those 2 things can't be linked as "consequences of wealth distribution"
The actions of the Soviet Union and what happened to the Ukrainians, yes. Though of course with even a little bit of nuance, the real problem there wasn't wealth distribution.
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> The Názi seizure of Jewish property and foreign assets was an aside. That was merely the logical thing to do to some group you were planning to exterminate.
But it wasn't "an aside". Redistributing wealth fro "those people who don't deserve it!" was part of the point. It didn't have to be logical, it _did_ gain votes and supporters. The same thing happens in Communist revolutions, and it happens in revolutions against royalty. It's a very popular political theme, and one that has often destroyed th
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The communist revolutions deposed aristocrats.
The Nazis simply where a fascist regime, finding a minority which happens to be relatively rich, deprive them from their wealth and kill them.
While both might be (similar?) disgusting, it is quite a difference.
Aka: there is no big difference between "communist revolutions" and e.g. the French revolution, or the American revolution. The communists btw. considered themselves democrats, giving the people option to vote: if they joined the party. At that time, in th
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> While both might be (similar?) disgusting, it is quite a difference.
The Communists also hated the Jews. Look up the "Jewish Autonomous Oblast", the Communist prison camp for Jews during World War II.
"Redistributing the wealth" has been a powerful indicator that a political party is rallying hatred and jealousy to kill people, seize the assets, and ruin the economy. More recent examples include South Africa, whose economy effectively collapsed and has still not recovered since the end of apartheid with the "redistribution of wealth" formerly in the hands of Afrikaners, the white colonists of South Africa.
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"redistribution of wealth" formerly in the hands of Afrikaners, the white colonists of South Africa.
There was no such redistribution as they did not get stripped from their wealth.
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They _tried_ to transfer the wealth, especially farm land and industries. Then AIDS hit: South Africa currently has roughly 20% of their population suffering from HIV, and it's according to some studies it's more than 40 times as prevalent among the African population as the Afrikaaners. That's a recipe for racial disparity in the ability to collect or retain wealth, especially as AIDS treatment remains expensive, and a recipe for racial discrimination in hiring workers.
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They're still trying to redistribute it, in more recent efforts with a constitutional amendment.
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