Seriously guys, we have *got* to start regulating Wall Street and investments more. And do something about wealth inequality. There is way, way too much money at the top and they're throwing it around recklessly. The next crash is going to make 2008 look like the.com boom.
Money being "thrown around recklessly" is the mechanism by which it leaves scrooge mcduck's pile of gold and enters the pockets of normal people.
Occasionally, it manages to find something interesting and generates real wealth and improves people's lives. A crap ton of money thrown around by Elon Musk landed on a reusable launch vehicle and lowered the cost of space launches by something like 30%. And a whole host of EV fanbois around here will have nice things to say about Tesla. For one example.
Musk is kind of the opposite. Since PayPal, every single one of his companies relies on heavy government subsidies and pays him handsomely. So really it's money leaving the pockets of normal people (via taxation) and entering Musk's pockets.
You may think that it's worth society investing in reusable rockets, etc. but any conversation has to start with what's really happening.
Musk is kind of the opposite. Since PayPal, every single one of his companies relies on heavy government subsidies and pays him handsomely
1. Musk's salary is minimum wage. The only sort of "being paid handsomely" is that the value of the companies, and thus his equity in them, has risen, which applies to every single business owner on Earth.
2. SpaceX being granted contracts for services by NASA is in no way a "subsidy". Rather, they're saving the government a huge amount of money vs. what was previously a
Last year his salary and bonuses (not asset appreciation) from his companies probably totaled to more than the cumulative salary and bonuses anyone ever has earned over their lifetime. Just his salary and bonuses would be enough to rank him in the somewhere between 50 and 60 in the Forbes 400.
2. SpaceX being granted contracts for services by NASA is in no way a "subsidy"
If you make up dumb shit and claim that's what I'm saying, it's easy to refute. But that's
Last year his salary and bonuses (not asset appreciation) from his companies probably totaled to more than the cumulative salary and bonuses anyone ever has earned over their lifetime. Just his salary and bonuses would be enough to rank him in the somewhere between 50 and 60 in the Forbes 400.
Musk's annual salary is ZERO. His annual bonuses are ZERO. His only compensation comes in the form of stock awards.
It is not in any way "annual", it is not a "bonus", and it in no way meets the definition of "salary". it's tied to key metrics, and more to the point helps compensate for the dilution that occurs to his stake in the company every year, largely due to his instance that all employees get stock options.
Read my other post: no it is not "wages" and it is not "salary".
wage: 1a: a payment usually of money for labor or services usually according to contract and on an hourly, daily, or piecework basis —often used in plural.
Note it is not required to be on an hourly, daily or piecework basis. A stock option can be very much considered to be a wage, especially where it is a continuing relationship, not a one-off payment.
salary: fixed compensation paid regularly for services
So it's not a salary. But it is a form of wage in a logical sense. For it not to be a wage one has to presume that Musk does not offer any services to the companies of which he is CEO, and/or there is no contractual arrangement. This would be an interesting position to take. Either that, or you think a word mean
Nondeterminism means never having to say you are wrong.
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Seriously guys, we have *got* to start regulating Wall Street and investments more. And do something about wealth inequality. There is way, way too much money at the top and they're throwing it around recklessly. The next crash is going to make 2008 look like the
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Money being "thrown around recklessly" is the mechanism by which it leaves scrooge mcduck's pile of gold and enters the pockets of normal people.
Occasionally, it manages to find something interesting and generates real wealth and improves people's lives. A crap ton of money thrown around by Elon Musk landed on a reusable launch vehicle and lowered the cost of space launches by something like 30%. And a whole host of EV fanbois around here will have nice things to say about Tesla. For one example.
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Musk is kind of the opposite. Since PayPal, every single one of his companies relies on heavy government subsidies and pays him handsomely. So really it's money leaving the pockets of normal people (via taxation) and entering Musk's pockets.
You may think that it's worth society investing in reusable rockets, etc. but any conversation has to start with what's really happening.
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1. Musk's salary is minimum wage. The only sort of "being paid handsomely" is that the value of the companies, and thus his equity in them, has risen, which applies to every single business owner on Earth.
2. SpaceX being granted contracts for services by NASA is in no way a "subsidy". Rather, they're saving the government a huge amount of money vs. what was previously a
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What nonsense.
Last year his salary and bonuses (not asset appreciation) from his companies probably totaled to more than the cumulative salary and bonuses anyone ever has earned over their lifetime. Just his salary and bonuses would be enough to rank him in the somewhere between 50 and 60 in the Forbes 400.
If you make up dumb shit and claim that's what I'm saying, it's easy to refute. But that's
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What nonsense.
Last year his salary and bonuses (not asset appreciation) from his companies probably totaled to more than the cumulative salary and bonuses anyone ever has earned over their lifetime. Just his salary and bonuses would be enough to rank him in the somewhere between 50 and 60 in the Forbes 400.
Musk's annual salary is ZERO. His annual bonuses are ZERO. His only compensation comes in the form of stock awards.
Nonsense indeed.
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What do you think a stock award is? It's a form of annual bonus or salary.
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It is not in any way "annual", it is not a "bonus", and it in no way meets the definition of "salary". it's tied to key metrics, and more to the point helps compensate for the dilution that occurs to his stake in the company every year, largely due to his instance that all employees get stock options.
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It's wages that the company pays him. Oh no, it's erratic and not annual. It's still wage income at the expense of all the other shareholders.
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Read my other post: no it is not "wages" and it is not "salary".
If you ever had filed your income tax yourself, you would know that.
Because all those things are legally defined terms and have a separate page/section on your tax filings. /* facepalm */
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It's wages that the company pays him.
You're a drooling retard.
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Read my other post: no it is not "wages" and it is not "salary".
wage: 1a: a payment usually of money for labor or services usually according to contract and on an hourly, daily, or piecework basis —often used in plural.
Note it is not required to be on an hourly, daily or piecework basis. A stock option can be very much considered to be a wage, especially where it is a continuing relationship, not a one-off payment.
salary: fixed compensation paid regularly for services
So it's not a salary. But it is a form of wage in a logical sense. For it not to be a wage one has to presume that Musk does not offer any services to the companies of which he is CEO, and/or there is no contractual arrangement. This would be an interesting position to take. Either that, or you think a word mean