Food waste in general shouldn't be adding extra CO2 in the environment, unless they are extrinsically adding tons of CO2 to the system from e.g. synthetic chemicals derived from oil.
First of all, you *do* use synthetic chemicals derived from oil in agriculture -- well, more accurately, from natural gas (ammonia). Second, you *also* use extra amounts of oil-derived fuel to grow this waste food. And third, of course, there's also the issue of methane being much more efficient at trapping heat than carbon dioxide, so even if you're neutral in terms of (physical) CO2 consumed and produced, you're still not necessarily neutral in terms of CO2-equivalent GHG emissions.
and water is a much stronger greenhouse gas than methane.
The antihumanists should just unite behind water, pretty sure people are so dumb now they can be convinced to stop drinking and get all this over with quickly.
Technically yes, but water's half life in the atmosphere is much shorter (on the order of hours or days) and it can't be a driver of long term climate change. It can be a multiplier of the effect of less potent greenhouse gases.
Climate scientists are not stupid. The effect of water vapor has been a key element of climate models from the start. Climate scientists initially rejected Arrhenius's idea of a CO2 driven greenhouse effect because it was believed at the time that CO2 and water vapor had the same absorption spectrum. When more precise spectrum measurements showed that to be false, the very first thing they looked at is could this have any effect given that water was both common and a potent short term greenhouse gas.
Climate change is not a question of being pro- or anti-human. It's a scientific question. The *policy* question is whether ignoring facts we'd rather not be true is better than considering them. It certainly feels better in the short term, but that doesn't make it better for humanity.
but the point is all we need to do is get people to stop drinking for a week or so and all the problems will be solved. And all we need to do that is pay for a few months news stories that all the scientists agree not drinking is a safe and effective way to stop climate change.
And enough dumb people will believe it to solve the problem. Blame them dieing on covid Win win.
Seems like a stupid argument to me. (Score:1, Insightful)
Food waste in general shouldn't be adding extra CO2 in the environment, unless they are extrinsically adding tons of CO2 to the system from e.g. synthetic chemicals derived from oil.
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Re: Seems like a stupid argument to me. (Score:1)
and water is a much stronger greenhouse gas than methane.
The antihumanists should just unite behind water, pretty sure people are so dumb now they can be convinced to stop drinking and get all this over with quickly.
Re: Seems like a stupid argument to me. (Score:5, Informative)
Technically yes, but water's half life in the atmosphere is much shorter (on the order of hours or days) and it can't be a driver of long term climate change. It can be a multiplier of the effect of less potent greenhouse gases.
Climate scientists are not stupid. The effect of water vapor has been a key element of climate models from the start. Climate scientists initially rejected Arrhenius's idea of a CO2 driven greenhouse effect because it was believed at the time that CO2 and water vapor had the same absorption spectrum. When more precise spectrum measurements showed that to be false, the very first thing they looked at is could this have any effect given that water was both common and a potent short term greenhouse gas.
Climate change is not a question of being pro- or anti-human. It's a scientific question. The *policy* question is whether ignoring facts we'd rather not be true is better than considering them. It certainly feels better in the short term, but that doesn't make it better for humanity.
Re: Seems like a stupid argument to me. (Score:1, Troll)
but the point is all we need to do is get people to stop drinking for a week or so and all the problems will be solved.
And all we need to do that is pay for a few months news stories that all the scientists agree not drinking is a safe and effective way to stop climate change.
And enough dumb people will believe it to solve the problem. Blame them dieing on covid
Win win.