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Review: On "The Beach" 178

"The Beach" is director Danny Boyle's first major movie since the darkly comic and powerful "Trainspotting" a few years back. It's not a happy comparison. "The Beach" is a gorgeous mess, a fantasy/adventure in part about escaping technology. [Warning: I don't give the ending away, but I do discuss the plot] Read more for my review and to post your own.

There were some reasons to expect something special from the much-hyped "The Beach," given Leonardo DiCaprio's success in "Titanic" and Danny Boyle's dazzling "Trainspotting." Lower your expectations.

"The Beach" is a contemporary fantasy, part about living a disconnected, low-tech life. It mixes elements of "Blue Lagoon" with "Lord of the Flies" and "Heart of Darkness." The premise is that Richard (played by DiCaprio) is a somewhat lost American teenage tourist in search of adventure. He gets wind of a deserted island off the Gulf of Thailand, and sets out to find it along with two French kids.

He finds a dazzling paradise, but you probably already sense that the only time Hollywood invokes paradise is to create a paradise lost. Needless to say, this fantasy place -- no electricity, phones, beepers, pagers, computers, Net (there are CD's) can't last long, and trouble lurks behind every gorgeous waterfall.

The word many people are using to describe this movie is "eye-candy," which is a bit unfair. It's a gorgeous film shot in a beautiful place, but primarily, the movie is a vehicle for DiCaprio to be as scantily-clad as possible, and to try and make the point that he's a dark and complex actor. The movie's sub-themes are ambitious -- our common yearning for escape, the things we'll do to preserve our so-called paradise, the desires most of us have for adventure and excitement -- but DiCaprio's oh-gosh wholesomeness and winsome smile isn't up to pulling off so heavy a role.

The movie shamelessly invokes "Lord of The Flies," the dark novel about what kids do to one another when left alone on an island and even more blatantly, pulls from Coppola's "Apocalypse Now" and Joseph Conrad's "Heart Of Darkness." How odd that in such a place, all of the teen refugess assembled happen to be gorgeous.

But DiCaprio is no Marlon Brando, who played Colonel Kurtz in "Apocalypse Now" (inspired by Conrad's gloomy tale), and Boyle's great skill at invoking the world of lost kids in "Trainspotting" is in direct conflict with beautiful, half-naked boys and girls frolicking in an island paradise. His efforts at foreshadowing trouble and using this star to invoke darker themes fall flat. Still, the movie is cinematically amazing in parts, and when DiCaprio is playing a brave but tentative kid in search of meaning, he's not bad.

This is a movie worth seeing if you keep your expectations very much in check. Boyle is also clearly -- and very subtly -- trying to raise some issues about escape from a hi-tech, continuously communicative and invasive world.

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Review: On "The Beach"

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    I kinda saw how Star Wars may have met the "standards" to a bunch of nerds, but this? Leave this to Ebert. If I want movie stuff I'll get it on my own accord.
    Its not so bad in the fact I could opt-out for movies (I'm guess I can), but what REALLY pisses me off is they only do a handfull of stories each day and someother story, far more worthy of nerd news was passed up.
    Yuck.
    Even more stupid... BSD news, which is computer related news gets shunted to non-front page status half the time, while this SHIT makes front page.
    news for nerds indeed.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Not only is it a movie starring Leonardo DiCaprio, but The Beach has ruined, potentially forever, one of the most scenic beaches in Thailand. Avoid seeing the movie so Hollywood will not destroy more environmental treasures! Coverage can be found at http://cnn.com/2000/ASIANOW/southeast/02/09/thaila nd.beach.ap/index.html [cnn.com]
  • by Anonymous Coward
    I must say the movie basically sucked, but I was moreso captured by the beauty of the beach, and of Virginie Ledoyen. I wish I could jump into the screen and become a part of the movie. It's funny how ironic everything is. I, as well as many other my computer geek friends, we have an undying curiosity and passion for computers.. but at our jobs it is just not fun anymore. Give us all the money you want, and it still won't be fun.. Deadlines, pushing paper, meetings, etc... No more nights of staying up 24/7 hacking on the computer, living solely on mountain dew and pizza..

    I can totally relate to this movie, as can my friends. We're sick of the day to day 8-5 bullsh*t. Is this what our lives were meant to be? It's not fun anymore.. we feel like we're wasting away. We don't feel human anymore.. some people live their whole lives doing the same day to day 8-5 bullsh*t without really living and experiencing life. It's just a matter of time before we decide to end our ties to this digital culture in the concrete jungle, and go out and experience the world, just as they did in "The Beach".. I wish I could do that.. I'm envious.. I want to turn in my laptop for a backpack and a passport, and someday I know I will. It just all matters when I think I have enough money set aside, just in case.. and then go with the flow and live life as I believe it was meant to be lived.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Here's an idea: Instead of griping, bitching and complaining ENDLESSLY about how Slashdot has gone downhill, why not contribute something yourself?

    If there is any reason why this site is in decline, it is the fault of all you regulars who sit around bitching and moaning and contributing jack squat to conversation. Stop blaming VA, Andover, Bill Gates and every other boogey-man...BLAME YOURSELVES. A community is only as strong as those that participate in it, and I don't see much participation going on here anymore...just a lot of whining and bitching about very little else.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Danny Boyle's last major movie was "A Life Less Ordinary" released in October of 97.
  • The parent comment should be marked "Funny". It's a reference to the fact that Brainball is played by trying to minimize brainwave activity. (See today's "Brainball!" article on slashdot.

    --synaptik
    If you want to flame me, do so here [slashdot.org].
  • You think that was a positive review? Jeesh, I'd hate to see a negative one....

    --

  • If you want a real negative review, tryhttp://www.mrcranky.com/movies/beach.html [mrcranky.com]. Mr. Cranky makes everyone else's negative reviews look like glowing endorsements.
    --
    Kevin Doherty
    kdoherty+slashdot@jurai.net
  • I second that!!

    When I saw this Jon Katz article, the first thing I thought was "I have to post something about boycotting the beach!!"

    Luckily, a bunch of people have already beaten me to it. It's good to know that Slashdotters are staying socially conscious.

    Michael Chisari
  • Perhaps, it has something to do with the main focus of the movie being escape from the technological confines of the rest of the world?
  • This movie is obviously going to not draw as many protests at the theatres as the DeCSS case has but I just wanted to ask /. readers to boycott the movie. This movie was shot on a beautiful but ecologically fragile island off the coast of Thailand. From all reports, the crews ruined the beach and it was strewn with litter.
  • by adamwood ( 5089 ) on Friday February 18, 2000 @10:16AM (#1261935) Homepage
    The Beach is based on Alex Garland's excellent book of the same name.

    Whetever you think of the movie, read the book as it's many times better -- the movie is a badly stripped down version of the plot without the inner workings of Richard's head. Plus the hero is English in the book ;-)
  • This is just stupid. Whoever allowed this post to get onto Slashdot should have his propeller beanie and pocket protector taken away.

    I read Slashdot to avoid the off-topic crap in Usenet. Does Katz now have a license to post whatever pleases him?

    Offtopic PS: I agreed with everything Katz said, but this is just not the forum for it.

  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday February 18, 2000 @10:36AM (#1261937)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • When is the book NOT better than the movie? Can anyone give some examples of movies that were better than the books?

    Yes. Last of the Mohicans (1991, I think) was much better than the book. Also, I read Moby Dick and had to ask myself why someone didn't edit the thing. It's a good story, it's just that he tended to go off on tangents all the time that added nothing to the atmosphere or plot.

  • I think that ever since VA took over slashdot, the news has gone steadily downhill.

    Not really--Katz has been around since before the VA deal. And there have been off-topic or silly articles even before Katz.

    Who cares about a movie review? If I wanted a movie review I would go somewhere else, I want news for nerds, stuff that matters, what happened?

    I don't mind them. Besides, I think you can filter them out if you like. We could cut out a whole lot of stuff if we wanted to, but I don't think we should. I think this place is not just a tech-news site; rather, it's a place where events (tech, political, social, cultural, religious, whatever) can be discussed from a geek viewpoint rather than the mainstream-society viewpoint that we get out of television networks, msn.com, and newspapers.

  • I'm a huge fan of these three (and the unofficial 4th member - Ewan McGregor). Three? I hear you say?

    Yup it's not just Director Danny Boyle, but also producer Andrew MacDonald and writer John Hodge.

    I was quite disappointed when they didn;t put Ewen McGregor in this film.... but never mind - I quite like him as a Jedi Knight - the only scotsman in TPM who isn't a Sith Lord.

    So I should remind everyone that the 3 have produced 2 classic flms with their first 2 efforts - 'Shallow Grave' - which has convinced me never to share a home with anyone, and 'Trainspotting' which is quite easily the coolest film of the 90's and also made "Born Slippy" one of the greatest musical moments of hte decade. It also launched Johnny Lee Miller who most people here will recognise from Hackers.... and Robert Carlyle didn't do too badly from it. (BTW - was it true that this was dubbed in some US theaters because of the scottish accents??)

    Then came along "A Life Less Ordinary" - Personally I think it's fantastic - maybe becuase I'm into surreal wierd stuff.... Definately good fun though. Every slashdotter should see this film.

    And I also hear they did something called 'Alien Love Triangle' or at least one part of it.

    I want to see the beach - not because of Leo, but because of the team behind it, and because it has an 'interesting' soundtrack.
  • It's crap like this that really makes me hate corporate america and corupt governments. Personally, I went down to the Cinemark and asked for how long they were going to be showing 'The Beach'. They said they didn't know. I replied that I wouldn't be seeing any movies there till it had left. As Cinemark owns all 3 theatres here, guess I'll be catching up on my movie rental. Anyone else have any semi-clever ideas for getting your point across?
  • Which of these things don't belong:
    • UCITA in Virginia
    • Anti-Spam Law passed in Colorado
    • On Research Institutions and Corporate Interests
    • Review: Java Security
    • Review: On "The Beach"

    Katz wastes bandwidth. If he wants a a forum with a built-in audience, let him seek it elsewhere. I could see this post as a link in a quickie, but only if it offered some insight on the movie as commentary on technophobic escapism beyond the obvious. But it doesn't, it reads like someone trying be Gene Shallit to the geek set. There are already numerous hype and review sites, slashdot does not need to become one. Even the simpsons movie post [slashdot.org] was more targetted to promote discussion on this board than this.

    Perhaps this is a misguided attempt to boost readership. Perhaps someone thinks that slashdot is too "nerdish" and could use a generic movie review to attract a mainstream audience. Slashdot is not about readership, its about discussion. Most of us who read here do so for the content provided by other readers, not to read the editor's attempt at being a movie reviewer. This post did nothing to create new or interesting user content. It's fluff.

    I don't want to see him banned from Slashdot, sometimes what he writes shows a modicum of insight and thought that I have come to expect from slashdot. I just don't want him submitting posts without going through some editorial process. The rest of us have to do it. Katz has clearly shown less restraint and good judgement than any other editor, put him back down to the level of any other poster, where he belongs.

    If you feel that Jon Katz has wasted enough space with articles that are poorly editted, poorly thought out, or just off topic, please follow this message up with a vote in the affirmative.

    I will be doing something that I never wanted to do, and shutting off all posts by a /. editor.

  • What about A Life Less Ordinary [imdb.com] (1997), which just happened to star Ewan McGregor, Holly Hunter and Cameron Diaz. Boyle directed.

    I even bought the same pair of Airwalks that McGregor used in the movie, probably because all the advertising affected me so much. Or maybe it was coincidence. Still have them, though.

  • for a /. coffee break 'news nugget' - not too short and one doesn't start getting bleary eyed from trying to slog thru a 'wall of text' - monitors aren't books - decent compression - a word to the wise is sufficient.

    But this crowd does go for coding issues.
  • I got dragged along to this one. Two women met in the foyer while I was waiting in line for popcorn.

    Said one : "What you seeing?" the other replied : "The beach. A couple of hours of staring at DiCaprio's gorgeous body."

    That about summed it up for me going in.

    But actually I was pleasantly suprised.

    Yes its Lord of the flies, yes its been "Americanized" to make it palatable to the US market. It isn't great, but it was better than what I was expecting and I'm willing to bet it wasn't that poor woman in the foyer was expecting either.
  • You forgot to quote The movie shamelessly invokes "Lord of The Flies," the dark novel about what kids do to one another when left alone on an island in that burst of insightfulness.

    BTW, why is Jon Katz writing about every possible unrelated topic possible? I've nothing personal against the guy, but what the heck? The movie's not even almost tech-related... The Daily Show's review of "Beach" this week is pretty funny, though. Comedy Central's neat.

  • this accusation might be true. However, I did watch some silly documentary on the filming (normally I would not) on HBO. Based on what I saw, I have my doubts about these accusations. They showed pictures of that same beach before they touched it, and it was literally COVERED in debris and trash, I'd be suprised if they could have left it much worse off. I'm not sure how much traveling many of you have done, but believe it or not, many 3rd world countries have an even worse problems with polution and depris than any US metropolis...even bummfuck Thailand. While it is quite likely that the transplanted trees and sand created some erosion, the area that they altered was quite small, and in the grand scheme of things it is NOTHING. I find it hard to believe that anyone on slashdot is qualified to really speak about what happened, other than 3rd and 4th hand knowledge. Furthermore, even if they did, most everyone who reads this, lives enough of a consumer lifestyle (which inevitably creates polution, like it or not), that they can easily be called a hypocrite and then some. In fact, I suspect if you looked at the value added (dollars added to their economy) relative to the damage, you'd discover that your shoes or shirt or even your computer parts manufactured in Thailand (and other similar locations) cause proportionately more damage.

    That being said, wild horses couldn't drag me to this movie. I despise DiCaprio, and
    particularly any movie that would star him in a teen heart throb roll.

  • by Black Perl ( 12686 ) on Friday February 18, 2000 @10:18AM (#1261948)
    If Jon Katz ever plays brainball, my bets are on him.
  • Slashdot, Andover, VA, whoever you are now, and whoever is in charge...

    Who cares about The Beach or Leonardio DiCrapio?

    Since the VA buyout, Katz is posting pure crap!!! Entertainment stories and fluff-pieces seem to get priority over News For Nerds! WHY?

    Is this what /.'s coprporate handlers think interests us?? If so, and if VA is driving Linux's future, than we're on the wrong side.

    I'm sorry, I know this will get mod'd out of existence, but I just have to spew!!

    Rob, if you have any control over /. at all, PLEASE take away Katz posting rights. Subject his articles to the same level of scrutiny that you have over normal users articles.

    Katz is making /. into a clone of Ain't It Cool News!! At least AICN makes no qualms about being an MPAA rumor-mill and hype pump.

    Rob, slashdot is bleeding out.
  • If you think Dilbert and User Friendly are books, you should have your head checked. There are differences between classic literature and comic books. I'm 15, and we read Lord of the Flies in school last year. It's a great book.
  • Ummm... are we putting 2 and 2 together to get 5 here ??? Slashdot was posting movie reviews before andover.net... let alone before VA. Granted this review has questionable geek content (from my point of view), but I don't mind a little bit of varied content, just makes things a little bit more interesting. If you don't want movie reviews, don't read them... no one forces you to read every article posted.
  • Best thing about the movie was the soundtrack.. Very excellent techno feel. Orbital / Underworld / Angelo Badalemnti / etc.. Full 5 channel techno in the openning sequence just made me drool..

    The music rocked.. I dug it a great deal.. Check out the soundtrack if you can..

  • ...it's recent here in Germany, and what can I say, my GF digs Leo. So, we went to see it. I was not disappointed; the movie pretty much sucked. It had great scenes of the island, Leo wasn't too bad, but was there any plot in the movie? Nope. The Beach is just a very well camouflaged and really, really badly executed clone of "Lord of the Flies".

    Now, they showed a preview of "Sleepy Hollow" which is gonna premier here in a week or two, now THAT is a movie that I expect to rock.
  • Actually there IS one reason to watch this movie: the track New Order has contributed, the first new song after seven years or something.

    I'm really getting kind of offtopic here, but the greatest rock band ever deserves some reward.
  • Well now, after I have seen the movie, I must admit that the New Order song is audible for a couple of seconds only, during Richard and Sal are shopping in the city. Not much a reason to watch the movie ...
  • The movie/book weren't about escape from technology per se, but they were about escape, in a sense --- about the search for something new and different, something exciting, that isn't a part of the day-to-day world.

    Most people who have travelled extensively have felt this yearning --- a deep-seated, burning desire for something that just isn't there in normal everyday life back home. I know I did, and most of the people I met on the road seemed to as well; and that's just as much an indictment of the world we left as it is a comment about our personalities.

    What does this have to do with technology? The answer to that has to do with, to what degree do you believe that technology is responsible for the things that are bad in modern society? I tend to think technology is not the cause of the problem --- but if I didn't think that, if I had any doubts about the beneficience of technology, then I would blame wanderlust on it too, and thus the movie would appear to be about it.
  • I didn't get that at all. The core theme is still there, it's just made less ambiguous and more stark ... suiting the american movie-going audience's tastes, i'm afraid.

    For a hollywood adaptation of a novel, while it wasn't great, neither was it awful; they oversimplified it, but they didn't, AFAICT, massacre it.
  • What did you think about the part where it has Leonardo DiCaprio in a video game, and he's marching around

    I thought it was vaguely amusing, but silly and completely out of context; the movie would have been better without it.
  • The Beach was definitely not another "Lord of the Flies" in that a whole group of people go savage. These people who went to the island were technologists, just like "Swiss Family Robinson", taking control of their environment to suit their needs. Certainly they were much more aesthetic than SFR was in melding their shelters and crops into the tropical landscape. But I think any remote island society that plays gameboys, listens to walkmans, dances to techno music, and uses chainsaws to cut down trees deserves the tag "technologists."
  • The entire area that covered with coconut trees seen on HBO was artificial. They got rid of all native plants in that area, brought in a bulldozer to clear the area, and planted all those coconut trees. All those actions are wrong. You cannot do that in any national park.
  • by EvlG ( 24576 ) on Friday February 18, 2000 @10:21AM (#1261961)
    That book was an awful, confused mess they make High Schoolers read. High handed and overly abstract, that book was just trash.

    Read something worthwhile, like Dilbert or User Friendly, for a more relevant commentary on the need to escape technology.
  • I vote you find something better to moan about.

    I actually wanted to read a review of this movie, because I'm a movie geek and I'm interested in other movie geek's opinions on this one. I also didn't read, and didn't want to read about the Anti-Spam law passed in Colorado. Hell I don't even know where Colorado is! Not all geeks live in your part of the world, and not all of us care about your political shufflings. All geeks are able to see movies (hopefully?), and hell, not all articles need to be heavy 'your future depends on it' stuff..

    So settle down, take your pills, perhaps get some fresh air, and leave Kats alone.

    el bobo
  • You Say: "The Beach" is director Danny Boyle's first major movie since the darkly comic and powerful "Trainspotting" a few years back"

    Um.. How about A Life Less Ordinary
    ^. .^
  • Advertising, of course.

    Is this the worst story ever posted by Slashdot?
  • Alex Garland's book is quite possibly one of the coolest things I've ever read. The details of what's going on in Richard's head caused me to have trouble putting the book down. In fact, I missed an exam because of it. That's true. I highly recommend the book to anybody.

    When I found out that Boyle was making a movie from it, I thought "great!" I loved Shallow Grave (not many people have seen it, which is sad) and Trainspotting. Ewan MacGregor was to play Richard. When I found out that DiCaprio replaced him, I was shocked. This moron?! Then I remembered The Basketball Diaries and was somewhat comforted... Somewhat.

    Then I actually saw the thing. Cinematically, it's not hard to tell that Boyle was at the helm. The camera work is great, and has Boyle's unique visual style.

    The events and characters captured by the cameras are another thing altogether. I know, I know, most people will hate a movie because it's "not like the book" if they had read it. I'm not that type. I didn't mind that Richard played Rampage on his Gameboy instead of Tetris. I was disappointed that that all of the changes were really badly chosen. I wanted to see Jed. How could they remove him? DiCaprio really played on the "I'm American" thing in a very bad way as well. How could you not hate him? He was a complete asshole. In the book, Richard did some stupid things, yes, but at least we could actually like him. When Leo got in front of the still camera and started acting like a complete idiot, I wanted to shoot him.

    When he started fucking everything on two legs I couldn't help but feel that the book Richard's character, the one which made it famous, was indeed destroyed. The world at large will forever think of Richard as this little blond-haired jerk.

    The choices were very bad, indeed. I really wanted to see the book's ending on the big screen, but got something completely different. I won't say anything about it deyond that it's extremely typical of Hollywood to change books in that manner.

    As for Katz's statement about getting away from technology, I don't really think so. They welcomed technology on the beach. They played Gameboys, built houses, used technology to their advantage. They were trying to get away from traditional tourist crap. I'm the same way. I hate being a tourist, yet enjoy travelling. I'll be damned if I'm not going to bring along some electronic entertainment. Maybe you should watch it again (better yet, read the book). The scene where they go back for supplies shows this very clearly.
  • I was disappointed that that all of the changes were really badly chosen. I wanted to see Jed. How could they remove him? DiCaprio really played on the "I'm American" thing in a very bad way as well. How could you not hate him? He was a complete asshole. In the book, Richard did some stupid things, yes, but at least we could actually like him. When Leo got in front of the still camera and started acting like a complete idiot, I wanted to shoot him.
    They left Jed out of the movie? What the hell...? He was central to just about every important point in the novel. Also pretty central to the point of view of the novel was the narrator was not American.

    I picked up the book in my sister's bookstore a year ago, when a friend of hers said, "read this before they make a Leondardo DiCaprio movie of it," and I sure am glad I took his advice. I understand that Garland was actually quite pleased with the movie (from an interview over at Salon; sorry, no URL handy), but you know, when I make big bucks from DiCaprio starring in my story, I'll probably be pleased, too.

    -schussat

  • He finds a dazzling paradise, but you probably already sense that the only time Hollywood invokes paradise is to create a paradise lost.

    More than that, it seems the only time Hollywood invokes paradise is to lose it -- that is, to destroy it. For an idea of the environmental impact that shooting this movie was to cause / did cause, look here [thaistudents.com]. I'm not sure what the final result was, and I'm not sure the movie studio or the Thai government will tell you.
  • FuriousJester wrote:
    Which of these things don't belong:

    UCITA in Virginia
    Anti-Spam Law passed in Colorado
    On Research Institutions and Corporate Interests
    Review: Java Security
    Review: On "The Beach"


    I have a confession to make. I usually skip right over whatever goofy noise Katz is making and go
    straight to the comments, because they're a lot more entertaining. I think TPTB here at /. are
    well aware of this (you think they call him the Resident Gasbag as a term of affection?) and keep
    him around to stir up controversy by his many void-o-logic assertions about American society.

    That having been said, I don't think he ought to be exiled to AICN, since he does serve a useful
    function around here. However, doing reviews of dumbass Leonard DiCaprio movies isn't it. What's
    next, a review of the next NSync CD? Zounds, guys, tighten his leash a little and keep him gassing
    only about Great Societal Issues In Geekdom, OK?
  • by agentHypo ( 34302 ) on Friday February 18, 2000 @10:15AM (#1261970) Homepage
    http://www.coopamerica.org/boycotts/bantargetchart .htm
    says:
    Womens Voices for the Earth alleges that the making
    of the Twentieth Century Fox movie The Beach involved environmental destruction in Thailand.
  • The Brunching Shuttlecocks have a much more entertaining (and relevent) review at http://www.brunching.com/s elfmade/selfmade-thebeach.html [brunching.com].

    On a related note, why would any of us see any movie given the state of the MPAA/DVD/DeCSS situation?

    Cheers,
    Slak

  • Since the VA buyout, Katz is posting pure crap!!! Entertainment stories and fluff-pieces seem to get priority over News For Nerds! WHY?
    Ya know... Katz has been posting pure crap way before VA came in to the picture. And I believe the "News for Nerds" mantra has been invoked to critique entries well before the Andover deal was announced.

    You may not like Katz. You may not like some of the subjects that show up. But invoking the Corporate Conspiracy is a bit much. Save it for when there really IS evidence of marketing manipulation.

  • I don't think so, it's just a star vehicle for Leo.

    This sucks.

    George
  • The problem with movies like this is that same problem that "wholesome" shows like Little House on the Prairie and The Waltons had. People think that if they eschew technology they will lead simpler, happier lives. Dream on!
  • THANK YOU (finally) for pointing this out. What the hell is wrong with you people? Slashdot isn't a site to cater your stupid little whims and needs - it's about what Rob & Co. put into it - after all, it IS their site! Although the majority of this site deals with technical and industrial news about computers/science/geek stuff/etc., it just takes one little movie review or trivial news post about something as non-geekish as "The Beach" to create a conflagration of flammage.

    Posting on how John Katz should be booted or about slashdot becoming decadent isn't going to help, either (the fact that Katz is part of /. and rallying everyone to "vote katz outta slashot!!" isn't going to magically boot him out has become somewhat oblivious...) - the more you gripe and whine, the more...well...the more nothing happens. If there is such a downfall of ./, its cause clearly points toward ./'s community. John Katz HAS poted some good stff, IMHO (the Columbine postings, for instance), and he isn't the black sheep of slashdot.

    mmkay?

  • Have to agree with "lunatik17." If people would try changing their preferences to IGNORE "movies" or "John Katz" the world would be a better place.

    Perhaps "Anonymous Coward" should be renamed "Lazy Coward."

    :-) -sid
  • I heard this rumor about a year ago when the movie was being made. Supposedly they were destroying beaches and wreaking all kind of havoc; people protesting, etc. I asked a friend of mine who lives in Thailand, and she hadn't heard a thing about it.

    --jim
  • Shallow non-techie preteen girls who want their next leonardo the craprio fix?

    Seriously tho... news for nerds this is not. Katz tries to justify writing this review by claiming that the movie is about an "escape from technology"? That's a specious jump at best. And that's ignoreing the fact that the majority of the /. readership actually LIKES technology. I can't speak for EVERYONE, but a large percentage of us appear to work in the tech industry. Why would we be in this field if we didn't like tech? Why cast away that from which we earn out livings?

    And aside from bad premise of posting the review in the first place, the review is lacking in quality, and more importantly, integrity. Katz has finally ventured into the realm of journalistic dishonesty. Want to know what I'm talking about? Go to the Chicago Sun-Times web page and look up Roger Ebert's review of "The Beach"; which was published a couple of weeks ago. Notice the striking number of similarities between Katz' review and Eberts?

    I've never understood why so many people bashed John Katz before. I do now. As far as I am concerned, Katz just lost ALL his credibility, and ANY respect I might EVER have mustered for him.

    I shall be checking my preferences to see if I can exclude him from my view from now on. I certianly hope I can.

    john
  • I'm a geek, and this review appealed to me. Boyle is a geek-favorite director, and books should be (even if they aren't) important to every geek who deserves the name.

    I see your rant as another anti-Katz slam, which is really getting rather tiring. If you don't want to read Katz, the solution is so simple that I won't waste any bandwidth elaborating.

  • The original and best treatment of this subject matter is William Golding's Lord of the Flies.

    Read the book:
    Lord of the Flies at Barnes and Nobles [barnesandnoble.com]

    Or watch the movie:
    Lord of the Flies (1963) at IMDB.COM [imdb.com]

    -konstant
    Yes! We are all individuals! I'm not!
  • I think that this is the first positive review I've seen of this film. One reviewer suggested "Read the book and buy the soundtrack", rather than watch the film. I'd guess that Katz hasn't read the book or else he'd realise just how much they've fscked it about. They even switched the nationality of the main character from English to American, so that DeCrappio could play the part.

    The book is definitely worth a read. Think I'll give the film a miss, though.

    HH
  • You will not hear me talking this way about anyone else, but Leonardo DiCaprio, and here is why:
    There was an italian family living in Germany, the DiCaprio family that has nothing to do whatsoever with the faggot Leonardo DiCaprio. They opened an ice-cream shop/restaurant and decided to call it DiCaprio (since that's their name). OK, now this faggot comes and sues them! because they are using HIS name to make money!
    HE sues who is swimming in the money and popularity, who will probably fuck the most pretty women on earth for the foreseable future, who has the world at his feet? HE sues a family living humbly from their hard work?

    And you know what? The court in Germany decided in favor of the faggot Leonardo DiCaprio.

    Well, after this, Leonardo DiCaprio lost any redeeming attributes whatsoever.

    Plus, "The Beach" caused a lot of damage to the echosystem where it was shot.

  • I have seen the movie, and thing the plot was paper thin at best. The cinematography was interesting during portions of the film, however the entire thing seemed too contrived. The music in the movie was interesting, and worth checking out, it is an eclectic mix of genres.

  • jesus, jon, what a cheap way to get flamewars/discussion/bashing started...

    posting review of the mindless eye-candy flick on slashdot... granted, there's nothing against posting this review here, but why "the beach"?!!!

    cheap.. cheap!!!
  • by vyesue ( 76216 )
    Someone care to explain exactly why we're posting completely devoid-of-technological-content movie reviews on slashdot now? Aren't we supposed to be up in arms about what the MPAA is tryign to do with this money they get every time we go to a movie? I mean aside from the fact that noone gives two shits about what movie dicaprio is in now, the whole concept of evaluating stuff made by peopel you're boycotting is a little ridiculous.

    good job, Katz - nice to see you stand up for the principles of the community. or did you even buy a ticket - this review sounds like you saw the commercial trailer, but I'm not sure you saw the actual movie.

    Katz is bad enough when he has a reason to open his mouth and spew forth the crap he calls articles. gratuitous movie reviews of completely 0-technology-related cinema (and I use the term VERY loosely) are 100% unneccessary in this forum.
  • "The Beach" is actually a very excellent novel by Alex Garland and I heartily recommend it. I haven't seen the flick yet, but I am certain that with all of the plot changes (and character omissions) it can not come close to doing the book justice.
    Jon Katz, I suggest that you take an afternoon or two to read "The Beach." Garland very definitely succeeds in weaving a tail of an island paradise transforming into a place of horror and despair.
    What bothers me the most about this is that, while doubtless hordes of mindless, trend-seeking teenyboppers will run to see this film, it will turn off the intelligent among us who would be able to grasp the insight and complexity of the novel.
  • Would you just quit your bitching?! /. is a website last I checked (hold on a sec...yep, still is) and I have yet to hear about a web site article being forced upon someone. Katz is actually a pretty good writer. He's spent his time on quite a few other jobs, and he knows what he's doing. If you don't want to read him, or he just pisses you off, take a hint from clueboy - don't click on the link!!!. If you really hate him that much, or complain about the quality that much, submit your own essays to /. and then see how much crap you get. Today has been a slow day anyway, and its interesting to read a few new things every once in awhile. And in reference to your statement on who cares about Leonard DiCrapio, it's not about the actor. The film does have a bit of a theme about living away from this plugged in world that enjoy. Broaden your horizons a little. It's amazing what it can do for your life.

  • I vote yes.
  • I totally agree with the other respondants (is that a word, or did I just make it up?), it's not about escaping technology. It is about human nature. It's about how, when left away from "modern" civilisation, humans revert to their basic instincts - survival of the fittest and all that rot. They become savages, because the kids haven't had enough time to "adjust" to modern attitudes towards behaviour. They behave as if it is a game, but as they do, they come to make it more serious. In that way, the book is not trash, but a perfectly good "What if?..." situation. The writing is great, and it is definitely a classic.
    At the risk of judging a book by its cover, I'd say you don't really enjoy reading fiction, or that you hated the idea that you were forced to read a book you wouldn't necessarily have read any way.
    Well, that was my two cents...
  • by Sp@mMan ( 82919 )
    Has anyone noticed, ever since the ask Katz article, people criticized his posts for being so long, now he makes them MEGA short? I respect changing for your critics even less than I do, long drawn out posts. If someone makes fun of what I wear, but I like it, am I gonna change? Hell no. Get some balls Katz.

    SpamMan

  • I have to agree. The OVERALL quality of /. articles has steadily degraded; however, the quality of ads has gotten exponentially better. Keep up the great work! Neoflux
  • The book isn't bad, although not as good as I'd heard, but from what I know of the film, a lot of the 'plausibility' of the other character's reponses / reactions to / impressions of the main character are stripped away by Leonardo's insistence on rewriting things so he 'gets the girl'. The protagonist is an outsider, even in paradise, and that's crucial to the plot.

    The end of the book was a disappointment, IMHO. It got too far-fetched, too 'over-the-top'. Good atmosphere until then tho.

    Sparse review, though, Mr Katz. Bit humdrum, bit bland.

  • Jon Katz seems to be making a real effort to keep his articles shorter. I want to applaud him for that. Considering that we can't get rid of him, let's at least give him some positive feed back so his articles actually get better.

    Next thing to work on: how do we get him to stop restating the obvious?
    Here goes the obvious:
    1) that this movie borrows from other ones
    2) That a Leo movie only has hot chicks in it.
    3) That Leo is no Marlon Brando

    Here go things that should have been mentioned:
    1) The movie uses forshadowing, but is still unpredictable. Unlike most Hollywood movies. And
    2) The plot isn't stupid, again unlike most Holywood movies.
    What I would have mentioned in the article,

    --
    Be insightful. If you can't be insightful, be informative.
    If you can't be informative, use my name
  • Why don't you submit this to http://www.leonardo-dicaprio.com [leonardo-dicaprio.com]

    They might give a fuck there.

  • by maniac11 ( 88495 ) on Friday February 18, 2000 @11:07AM (#1261995) Homepage Journal
    My girlfriend was in Thailand during the production of this film and witnessed the destruction of the beach in "The Beach" firsthand.

    It saddens and disheartens me, not only that this type of article gets press on slashdot, but that the press was favorable. It's turning the motto 'Stuff that matters' into a mockery.

    Please join me and the above AC in boycotting this ridiculous movie.

  • They're leaving in a warm and sunny paradise... now what's the opposite of that on earth? Cold and bleak Antarctic!!!

    And who lives in the Antarctic?...

    You got it. Penguins.

    Hence, Linux, hence slashdot material :-P

    Daniel
  • I think that ever since VA took over slashdot, the news has gone steadily downhill.

    Nonsense. There have been no changes whatsoever in what gets posted. Don't give in to the trolls crying foul at every chance they get. There has been no sign of influence, and no reason to suspect otherwise of CmdrTaco and Hemos.

    Who cares about a movie review? If I wanted a movie review I would go somewhere else, I want news for nerds, stuff that matters, what happened?

    Slashdot has done movie reviews every now and then for some time; this is nothing new. As for why in the first place, I think it's kinda good to have a geek's perspective on the latest movies, don't you? With so many dumb pop culture movies targeted for teens these days, I think it's a little nice to have a forum that reviews movies as they would appeal to geeks in general.

  • In the media, there are things called "Slow News Days". Lots of articles about puppies and orphans, not much of the gritty stuff most of us look for. I've noticed that all the Linux centric news sites have been pretty slow this week. Not much is going on other than some program being released by some company in Redmond.

    The sites have to find something to fill the space. Otherwise we quit looking and their ad revenues go down. It's just an ugly side effect of the coporitzation of the net and /.

    For More information: perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(1 15),10);'
  • this review sucks. next time why not just cut&paste Roger Ebert rather than plagerize him!
  • I'm sorry, but this is too much. I understand why Jon Katz gets such polarized responses the majority of the time, but at least most of the time his posts are on-topic and interesting.

    But if I want movie news, I'll go to IMDB. If I want news news, I go to CNN.com or MSNBC.com. And if I want to know the latest cool news in science or tech, I go to /. I do not come to /. to read a semi-literate technical person try to pretent they should be Roger Ebert's latest sidekick in an effort to score free movie tix.

    This is really too much. /. needs to enforce its identity, before it loses it in an effort to be everything to everyone. I suggest you go read your own tagline again before posting trivel like this.

  • The only reason I'd go see this movie would be because of the amount of chicks that would be there. Even then, I'd be eyeing them instead of the screen [while they drooled over Leo.]

    Here's a list of stuff you can do with the 8 dollars that you save by not going to this movie:

    Pay the kid next door to shovel your driveway during the two next snow storms

    Rent Apocalypse Now and Lord Of The Flies buy a bag of candy.

    Make a political donnation to Duke's Presidential Campaign [duke2000.com].

    Buy 40 lbs of Raman.

    Go see Magnolia [wdkk.com].

    Buy two porno mags, distribute their pages to 12 kids in your neigbourhood and gain 12 disciples.

    Buy candy and offer it to strangers at the mall.

    Give it to the 4 bums you pass on your way to work.

    Put it your piggy bank Cheers, Bart

  • I think the question Katz is asking is, why are idyllic environments always lush, deserted, tropic islands with no technology and scantily clad women? Well, the women I can understand, but why no modern conveniences...

    Is it because these movies are inherently written by low-tech writers? Is it because this is a more socially traditional viewpoint and therefore shows up more? Is it the minimalist in all of us? Or is it because modern technological inter-connectivity is not necessarily a good thing?

    I'm guessing the whole desert island motif is going to show up more and more. Hopefully in better movies than this one. I personally will not be buying a cell phone any time soon, I like to be alone occasionally without people calling me left and right. I liked it a lot better when my friends couldn't ICQ me every three seconds when I'm trying to do work. Even the friends I like. Seems like modern communications are changing the signal to noise ratio in peoples lives for the worse with email and newsgroups, etc.

    Oh well enough of my wining...

  • When a story has such a seductive potential for folk legend, it may be worth Knowing A Little More before piling in behind the campaign.

    "Hollywood studio trashed island paradise" is the kind of great black-and-white story a publicist dreams of -- a perfect, emotive headline to sell newspapers or excite activists. But for a more detailed and balanced report see the thaistudents' excellent site:
    http://thaistudents.com/the beach/phiphi_0200/index.html [thaistudents.com]

    The film makers maybe should or maybe should not have been allowed to film on Maya beach. But they were clearly aware right from the start of the dangers of a publicity backlash; and they took considerable environmental care to try to avoid one.

    Where they did make changes, such as bringing in the palm trees, they undid them once the three week shoot was over. In fact they apparently restored the beach to a standard which would have been better than it had been before they first went there, had the work not been partially undone by the unexpected violence of the monsoon storms.

    The most serious danger to Maya beach now is the continuing effect of the large number of regular tourists who visit, rather than any direct impact from the film-making. The most pressing need is for a permanent ranger presence to manage use and access to the island. But apparently work to establish such a post, using some of the facilities brought by the film crew, has been vandalised by those with a stake in the current free for all.

  • Slashdot Schizo 101

    Last Week: MPAA bad, DeCSS good, join the EFF, boycott the MPAA, etc.

    This Week: "The Beach" is a so-so movie, and neither the movie nor the review have much to do with News for Nerds. Stuff that matters, but here's a review for you nonetheless. Go see it if you disagree with us.

  • I'd like to read more about this - do you have any links or know where the story has been published?
  • Just wanted to let all of you Leo-fans out there know that I've seen something quite amusing yesterday on german TV RTL (I guess it was):
    There was a Leo-Lookalike contest happening somewhere in Italy in order to promote The Beach. Well, the funny thing was that not even the sex had to be the same so even girls took part in that competition. A 16-year-old school-boy won first price: To be treated like DiCaprio for one day which means limo, bodyguards, etc.
    Nothing really spectacular, but funny thing was that even the tv-spokesman said, that the winner even looks better than the original. :))
  • Talk about a worn-out sentence. It's usually said whenever someone sees an article that doesn't interest them. Not everyone has the same interests, pal. I happen to enjoy movie reviews. If you don't thats fine with me. But you can take your immature and selfish sentiments somewhere else.


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  • Ha ha ha. #9, #10, whatever. Another Leo movie. I like that fact that there is a change of pace on Slashdot, but Leonardo DeCaprio movie reviews?

    I personally think that a review on the new Winnie the Pooh movie would be a lot more fun. No Microsoft, No Linux, No Leo...Just good old fashioned low brain activity inducing cartoons. I love Tigger.

  • I haven't seen the film, but it has nothing to do with technology. It has nothing to do with escaping technology. If I think of beautiful tropical islands, I think of going there for the pure breathtaking beauty of nature. Not to escape technology. Katz is trying to put technology into anything he can get his little grubby hands on. Stop!
    So why is this news item posted here? Its not related at all!!
    I have sex on my brain most of the time. Katz has technology. Thats fair enough, but I suggest Katz puts down his laptop and gets out and interacts with the world and all that lives in it face to face.
    Disney's Beauty and the Beast contained nothing about football. Does that mean it's a film about people escaping from football? Stupid example I know, but no more stupid than Katz posting this.
    I know, I know - I'm too lazy to change my settings to escape Katz.
    Newsflash!! Crivens runs away to remote tropical island to escape reading Katz postings!!! Extra Extra! Read all about it!
  • It's actually one of the best books I've ever read. It was originally a novel by Alex Garland, a brilliant writer, much in the vein of Douglas Coupland... pop culture and all that. Having said that, the movie horribly slaughters the book with a 6" dull spoon. First, they deleted and changed various characters in the book. Second, they changed the main character from British to a smiley-eyed dull-brained morally-superior American, a change which destroys about half the character right off the bat. If you read the book, you'd see. Finally, they throw out all of the main themes of the book, and focus on Leo bangin chicks on a beach in Thailand. Like, wtf? The movie was such an insult to Alex Garland and his fine work I thought I was going to throw up. Luckily I left before I did. Once again the movie mantra holds: If there's a book, $@&! the movie. Kaii
  • I vote "NO".

    Down with Karma. If you knew you didn't want to read the (often less than purely nerd-oriented) Katz stories, then you should have turned off his posts long ago. In light of the controversy surrounding his posts, and in light of your obviously extremely high standards of what is appropriate to post on the internet (this is meant with sarcasm, since your post is of startlingly poor quality), you could have certainly avoided the mishap of reading the review had you been thinking clearly at the time.

    Down with moderation! Down with Karma!

  • It seems that during the filming of this movie, they caused a LOT of environmental damage to the island. Which Fox promised to correct - but guess what? They didn't. And reportedly half the beach was washed away in the first monsoons, due to lack of plant life that would prevent erosion (Fox didn't keep its promise to replace the plants they removed for filming.)

    There's a story on MotherJones about this, at
    http://www.motherjones.com/news_wire/leo.html

    There's also a boycott by Womens' Voices for the Earth. Info is at
    http://www.wildrockies.org/WVE/beach.htm

    And, ironically, guess who is the host of Earth Day 2000? You guessed it...
    http://www.leonardodicaprio.com/environment/envi ronment.html

    ...

    God, first the MPAA pulls that crap with DeCSS, and now this. Is this _really_ an organization you want to give money?
  • go jfuNk!

    well said. i'd been looking forward to the movie ever since i set the book down, and then i heard boyle was directing, and they were shooting (almost) on location, and it was just going to be cool.

    then i started hearing about some "changes" (namely, i knew that richard was going to hook up with francoise), and was a little nervous, but, hey, ok, it's hollywood. it's different, but i'm not going to crucify anyone for putting sex in the movie,

    but, anyway, longstoryshort, i didn't account for a stultifyingly STUPID screenplay. it was just pretty much "bad" all the way through, and that's okayish, since it's still okay to just watch the pretty pictures, but then the ending,

    OH MY GOD, THE ENDING WAS JUST SO BAD

    and i'm going to ruin it here, but i don't care, since there's no reason to see this movie anyway if you haven't already,

    anyway, when leo walks into this brightly lit room of clearly branded computers, logs onto his clearly branded web-based commercial e-mail service, and then starts downloading the picture i laughed REALLY HARD and then walked out when the thing was still only about 15% dowloaded.

    in any case, it was just ridiculous. and then i read joel stein's interview with leo in last week's time, where leo talks about that picture being the "center" of the film, how taking it stole the community's soul or whatever and i am like

    JESUS CHRIST LEO, GET A LIFE. YOUR WHOLE MOVIE STANK

    because COME ON, i don't care how "deep" you think you are, it's just plain STUPID. they just *cut off* the ending of the book, and instead decided to show me the marvels of technology! yay!

    anyway, all this "the movie is ripping off lord of the flies" crap is just a bunch of shit, since all the good trauma got left behind in the book! i was sitting there, waiting, the entire movie, thinking, well, i waited forever for this movie, and it's awful, but at least i can wait a little bit more until everything falls to shit & then it will at least be kind of exciting,

    but, NO! they decided to rip us off AGAIN. i wonder, as like they're floating away in their big human raft, they're thinking "well, we just made over a hundred minutes of shitty movie, what's the point of really finishing it off? somebody invent a "center" of the movie for leo to talk about!"

    and anyway, the funny thing about the movie is that it's really not for ANYONE. i mean, people who liked the book will hate it, people who hated the book will hate it, people who don't even know about the book will hate it, and it's all so USELESS.

    so, DO NOT GO SEE THIS MOVIE. thank you.

    haY

  • Worth reading is the Brunching Shuttlecock's review.

    http://www.brunching.com/selfmade/selfmade-thebeac h.html

    Not because it's very insightful, but because it's a lot more entertaining than Katz's. ;-)>

  • Naive Person: "I vote to remove Katz as editor." CmdrHeLimJatz: "You aint got no vote here, city boy. Now git offa ma land."

    Intelligent person: "Your 'land' has value only by our presence. Listen to our votes even if you aren't ruled by them."

    -Kahuna Burger

  • Boyle is also clearly -- and very subtly -- trying to raise some issues about escape from a hi-tech, continuously communicative and invasive world.

    How in the world did he come up with that? So out of place, is almost seems made up, just so it had a little technology aspect to it. This movie is nothing more than "Lord of the Flies" with a little more mature crowd and a little nudity thrown it to keep the "R" rating. Escaping from technology is quite a leap.

  • The point, then, (maybe?) Maybe not, Missing your CD player is not a strong example of cultureshock-ish impacts. The movie may have had a few references to "Things they missed" or "Things that were different without X", but that IMO is only to give the movie that stranded flavor. The real story I think they were going for was the (Not to give it away) Plot that they/he stumbles in to trouble with the locals/cultleaders while involved in a treasure hunt. Lame, Lame, Lame,. Reminds me of the old Sunday night Wonderful World of Disney movies, watching Swiss Family Robinson or 20,00 Leagues Undeer the Sea. Except of course, the Beach gets more points just because it has the nudity. :)
  • by 348 ( 124012 ) on Friday February 18, 2000 @10:23AM (#1262019) Homepage
    Oh, I don't know. /. seems pretty much the same to me. The corporate changes haven't made much of impact as far as I see, lots of flames posted though, I don't see the connection. /. has allways had banner days and not so good days, and banner articles and articles like this which don't quite fit in. Good days and bad, just like us, good posts and not so good.

    This thread I can almost see the possibility of socio-impact comments on what happens to culture in isolation etc. Could be interesting, However I think there are much better vehicles that Leo's latest movie.

  • I didn't really like Trainspotting too terribly much, but I saw that it was an ambitious, well-crafted, well-acted piece.

    The Beach, on the other hand, is so utterly worthless that I can scarcely believe the half-positive review you gave it.

    Movies filmed in beautiful areas are not beautiful films. They're films with nice sets (in this case, a glorified swimsuit calendar with a nice set). And trying to present kids as dark and complex is one damned trend I've had quite enough of.

    Why is it that we suddenly can't go two weeks without some crap-fest that attempts to strike at the hearts of "misunderstood" youth culture? Gag me.

    And as for the comparisons to Conrad and Copolla, PUH-LEASE. The closest THIS comes to HoD is the foliage. And The Beach is to Apocalypse Now what Cheezits are to brie.
  • as someone said in another comment this is news for nerds not movie reviews. what is going to come next news about the backstreetboy's new cd. damn wake up people
  • I fail to see how you make the connection between a "bad" Katz article and VA buying andover.net. Katz was posting stuff the people didn't like long before VA. In fact he's done movie reviews before. Also each Katz post doesn't equal one less post by someone else so just ignore posts by Katz if you don't like him.
  • I think that ever since VA took over slashdot, the news has gone steadily downhill. Who cares about a movie review? If I wanted a movie review I would go somewhere else, I want news for nerds, stuff that matters, what happened?

  • Have you ever been to the location where the film was shot? If so, you would have realized that the producers did a fairly good job of restoring the place back to what it was like before. Other islands in the surrounding region had suffered much more from popular tourism. Part of the problem is the general lack of self control. Admittedly, Phuket is much cleaner than other tourist spots, but wherever you have massive amounts of people coming and going, the environment is going to be impacted - like it or not. This situation won't get better until the Thai's (I am Thai myself) learn to respect the environment.

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