Lucasfilm Sanctions Star Wars Fan Films 77
BigBragger sent us a story that talks about a deal between Lucas and Atom Films to allow Star Wars parodies to be distributed legally. It's a mixed bag: Lucasfilm gets a piece of the pie, and gets to choose what goes online at the site. But it does create an official place to get those vid clips like Troops which are just awesome but somewhat underground. I guess as long as they don't go after other parodies I'm cool with it, but there's something that I can't describe about this leaving a funny taste in my mouth. It's probably just paranoia.
Re:right to satire and farce (Score:1)
Re:Yeah, look at Wierd Al Yancovic. (Score:1)
Take a look at the case of "Amish Paradise". Al thought he had permission (his label lied to him and said they had asked), and was very sorry about it, but he still couldn't be sued over it.
Technically his label did ask, but the answer was "no". And from what I saw despite the fact that Weird Al publicly appologized to Coolio, Coolio still made a big stink about it mostly directed at Al himself. Some people just don't know how to accept an appology. IMHO Coolio is a dick for saying no anyway. Nirvana considered "Smells like Nirvana" to be the sign that they had finally made it big.Re:Yeah, look at Wierd Al Yancovic. (Score:1)
Take a look at the case of "Amish Paradise". Al thought he had permission (his label lied to him and said they had asked), and was very sorry about it, but he still couldn't be sued over it.
Re:umm... (Score:1)
Re:umm... (Score:1)
to use copyrighted and trademarked things. Such
as Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa Solo, The Death
Star, and such.
Parodies such as spaceballs, which change all of
the names just enough (dark helmet), still are
and always will (should?) be un-regulated.
j
If you want troops go get Total Movie #1 (Score:1)
Bad Example (Score:1)
And yes, I am a little bit embarrassed that I know this.
Last place I'd put a parody (Score:1)
huh? (Score:1)
:|
What exactly is a parody? (Score:1)
Re:Just report the news Rob (Score:1)
Re:they aren't "allowing" anything (Score:1)
Like original SW Art? (Score:1)
http://www.swma.net [swma.net]
Everything you might want to see
Re:Bad Example (Score:1)
I thought that he didn't ask permission. This was from a long time ago, however, when Michael Jackson got mad at him and sued. My memory of the situation may be wrong.
One thing I was definitely wrong about was the freedom issue. I admit, I skimmed the article and took CmdrTaco's comments to heart that Lucasfilm was going to control the "legal" parodies. Upon reading the article, I now realize I was wrong.
Taco: read the articles carefully before adding commentary! Otherwise you mislead us and turn
Dave
That funny taste in your mouth... (Score:1)
Re:Not purely paranoia (Score:1)
right to satire and farce (Score:1)
Re:Yeah, look at Wierd Al Yancovic. (Score:1)
We're bought and sold for corporate gold
Re:Will the ASCII versions of Star Wars be there ? (Score:1)
Must take AGES to do though...
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"People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them"
Re:they aren't "allowing" anything (Score:1)
This is great, they are providing a service for the parodies they like. We certainly shouldn't expect them to provide a service for the ones they don't like.
Monitoring Parodys? (Score:1)
Linux is a parody of win2k (Score:1)
come on you hosers. (Score:1)
nothing is going to change. if you had the moxy to go out and make another "troops" then you could very easily post it on your very own website and if it turns out that people like it, it'll be bigger than anything on lucas' "official" website. the only difference these days is that star wars parodies will be easier to find and lucas will be making a little bank (he's trying to make up for everything he lost in the jar jar merchandising flop).
so do everybody a favor and shut up. george lucas making money isn't going to crush the open source movement.
love,
grizzo
www.grizzo.com [grizzo.com]
sounds good to me : win win for both (Score:1)
For those who always think that big corporations have an agenda to be "helpful", those parodists (sp?) who don't want to take part can always do their own parody w/o Lucasfilm "rubberstamp". Which is not illegal of course.
Re:Too Bad... (Score:1)
There is no "fair use" for trademarks. Fair use is copyright.
Think of the MPAA as "Microsoft" (Score:1)
John
Re:umm... (Score:1)
Re:Hardware Wars (Score:1)
Know of anywhere online that it is showing?
Thanks...
E.
Re:Hardware Wars (Score:1)
http://www.mwp.com/pages/filmshardware.html
Never been illegal (Score:1)
This deal allows parody makers to use original (Lucasfilm owned) sounds, and it provides a method for the film makers to get a cut of the advertising and sponsorship revenue from the site. That sounds all good to me. Hopefully they'll assist the film makers to make high resolution versions available.
I will bend over and enjoy it (Score:1)
Now that is such a good idea. where can I go to sign up for official corporate approval? I feel so lost and alone.
Re:Yeah, look at Wierd Al Yancovic. (Score:1)
Re:umm... (Score:1)
Re:Havn't they always allowed free fan work? (Score:1)
If you remember his first film THX1138 (I think it was his first) it was a bigbrother 1984 type of film. I guess he would could alwas paly it back to remind him.
Re:Monitoring Parodys? (Score:1)
They're just giving you a place to stick your movie for free. You get recognition, they get ad $. Lucasfilm just gets a little chunk of the ad money in return for giving Atomfilms the official SW logo.
Too Bad... (Score:1)
Face it, Lucas is a greedy bastard (Score:1)
IP law (Score:1)
Re:Last place I'd put a parody (Score:1)
Now, legally, he I don't believe he has to get permission, but it is probably a nice thing to do. Same thing with the spoofs like Troops, which is both a Star Wars and a Cops parody. Legally, they don't have to get permission, but it is usually a wise choice to let them know you're doing it, and that it is legal under Fair Use rules.
BTW, Fair Use also governs quoting copyrighted material in a limited form or format. For instance, Fair Use could let me quote the chorus to a song I didn't own the rights to, but not necessarily the whole song. Same with code, although not proprietary code, etc. (Mind you, just because it's published does not mean it's open for Fair Use. Check with someone who is much better on Fair Use and Freedom of Speech.)
Kierthos
Re:Just report the news Rob (Score:1)
Slow moving marsupials and the women that love them
Re:umm... (Score:1)
Perhaps the farmboy could be called "Lucky" and the princess "Laid"?
Sorry for the sick image, I was just trying to get my point across.
Its only a sick image if you also get a Wookie(tm) and a jar of "Jabba the Hutt(tm) Fried Chicken Grease" involved.
May... (Score:1)
Fair Use? (Score:1)
Perhaps by signing a deal with AtomFilms/Lucas, you gain permission to use a much heftier chunck of IP and perhaps actual footage from the movies. In exchange, Lucas gets permission to can your parody if it sucks =) This would be the only advantage I could see to the arrangment with Atomfilms unless Lucas is going to use this as an excuse to sue anyone that creates a parody that does not distribute it via his chosen chanel.
I wonder what would happen to Spaceballs?
Ok, so now I can parody Starwars, now if only I could watch it on DVD!
Not purely paranoia (Score:1)
It's a licensing deal essentially. Lucas films gives the site/films rights to spoof their property in exchange for a percentage, and more importantly to them probably, some control over the product.
I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that this is all bad, it sounds pretty good actually, but some spoofs might be asked to tone down or be rejected outright. Still, they can continue underground I suppose.
So long as Lucas himself doesn't "direct" any of the goings on here, it looks good...
Hardware Wars (Score:1)
Re:Too Bad... (Score:1)
Since I don't believe there was an actual court case, the makers of the parody were never found guilty of copyright infringement. All they did was cave in to a cease & desist from a heavy-handed corporate lawyer, so the truth of the matter was never proven.
Re:And? (Score:1)
Re:huh? (Score:1)
We now return you to your scheduled paranoid ranting.
Re:right to satire and farce (Score:1)
We now return you to your scheduled paranoid ranting.
The Facists Strike Back! (Score:2)
Now, apparently, you can't poke fun of a rich guy or the creations that made him rich, without helping to further enrich him. So what's next? Will MAD magazine have to pay the makers of every movie they parody? Will I have to fork over a chunk of change to George Bush every time I say "Read my lips" in a facsimilie of his voice?
This is insane and George Lucas should be ashamed of himself. How utterly pathetic that someone who has so much, feels inclined to take even more. Yes, behold a mighty democrat, someone who certainly appears to be a "liberal" being nothing more than a two bit facist. It's obvious now why the last Star Wars movie sucked so badly. The maker no longer has a soul and thus, his creation lacks one now as well.
More hipocricy, more greed, and these are the people who back political figures. Who really wonders at all why things have gotten to be what they are in this country? Pathetic. We have a representative government alright, it represents perfectly what we Americans, as a people have become. Rich, fat, bloated hipocrites, who will do whatever it takes to safe guard "mine" no matter who we step on, rob from, extort, kill, or destroy in the process.
"Through many lives I've searched in vain, for the builder of this house of pain.
Now builder you are plain to see and from this house at last I'm free.
I burst the rafter roof and walls, and dwell in the peace beyond them all."
Peace and freedom to those who see beyond the delusion of "self". For those who serve this cruelest of masters, your desires will never be realized and your appetite will never be satisfied. You will look and not find, and listen, but not hear, and your death will be a bitter one full of regret. Silly, foolish men.
Australian prequel (Score:2)
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Re:Australian prequel (Score:2)
They finished the bloody thing and you can download it. [theforce.net]
It's 26 minutes, Quicktime only. (dammit)
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Re:umm... (Score:2)
umm... (Score:2)
Or have we just given up and bent over to take it up the ass from LucasFilms because they can pay lawyers more in a day than most people make in their lifetimes?
...and look what happened to T$R! (Score:2)
This site is not being represented as the only sanctioned place for fan films to be placed, but I betcha money that's how it will end up. Let LucasFilm get financially involved, let the site make a few bucks, and then start looking for the cease and desist orders. LucasFilms will say "Hey, be cool, we've got a site for you to put your stuff on!" And Troops-alikes will be no more...
I guess this proves the point that ... (Score:2)
What a shame.
It was ALREADY legal (Score:2)
It's not paranoia, it's a legitimate concern. Parodies are considered fair use of copyrighted material. You don't need permission to do one. Distribution of these short films is already legal. Lucas doesn't need to sanction it. It needs to be emphasized that while it's nice to have Lucas's blessing, it is most definitely not required.
The key is in the what they give you (Score:2)
By agreeing to their terms (for good or bad) you get access to extra shots and images that you may not have had access to if you weren't a "partner"
I'm not saying that this is a good/bad thing, just something. The question I have is do you have to sign away the copyright to the parody to get access to the extra footage?
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From: Aaron "PooF" Matthews
Re:umm... (Score:2)
We're bought and sold for corporate gold
Re:Think of the MPAA as "Microsoft" (Score:2)
Re:they aren't "allowing" anything (Score:2)
This is just plain not correct.
Fair use is copyright law. You can use copyrighted material in a parody all you want. However, trademarks are still protected. Sometimes they can be used in parodies, sometimes not. If you're diluting the trademark, you can't. If you don't meet the "contradictory message" standard, you can't.
Trademarks, not copyrights (Score:2)
It probably is.
While parody is properly exempt from the usual copyright restrictions, trademark isn't.
There's a pretty good explanation of it here [fr.com]. Googling for "trademark parody" will get a lot more.
Will the ASCII versions of Star Wars be there ? (Score:2)
Episode IV can be found here [asciimation.co.nz]
The Death of Jar Jar can be found here [asciimation.co.nz] (Very popular I imagine)
It would be great for Lucas to endore it, if only for it to gain a wider audience. It really is a work of art in itself.
I know its not strictly a parody, more someones warped sense of humour, but it made me laugh.
Read the article (Score:2)
Also note that the article doesn't say anything about taking royalties from the film makers, it only mentions advertising and sponsorship revenue.
Re:umm... (Score:2)
Great. I'll copy Stephen King's latest book word for word, add one sentence of commentary at the end (thus using the material for "critique") and publish it.
You can use copyrighted materials to some extent for critique or parody, more than you can for other purposes, as fair use. But that does not mean you can do whatever the hell you want in the name of critique or parody.
Re:umm... (Score:2)
Of course there is something Lando-ish about this .. were the parodists just invited in for dinner with the Dark Lord himself?
Re:IP law (Score:2)
Ok.. I just checked the acutal law and there is nothing in it mentioning pariodies, but there have been several Suprime Court cases. Go to http://www.publaw.com/parody.html [publaw.com] for a good discussion on the topic of parodies. Also check out Copyright Law of the United States of America [loc.gov]
-After you read, then post
Jar Jar (Score:2)
Actually a good sign (Score:2)
And? (Score:3)
And if LucasFilm doesn't like the UNOFFICIAL homes, they can go to hell. Parody is specifically outlined in Fair Use.
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V114/N 12/ briefs1.12w.html [mit.edu]
So all you Star Wars fans out there who have a great idea for a parody, put it out there. To hell with LucasFilm and their lawyers. George Lucas isn't motivated by anything but money. Take an excerpt from the article:
The two companies will bow the Star Wars Fan Film Network at the end of the month on AtomFilms' site, which will not only showcase the projects from unknowns but split any royalty payments based on the advertising and sponsorship revenues generated from the selected films.
The only reason LucasFilm is buddying up with them, is because it pops a little cash into their pocket. They're profiting from works they didn't create.
AtomFilms is accepting submissions, and a team of Lucasfilm judges will determine which shorts are placed online.
If a submission is rejected OR accepted, put it up elsewhere! Don't give LucasFilm money they don't deserve! I'm willing to bet the creators of the parodies and/or documentaries won't see a dime of that ad revenue. Sure, their work is online, but you don't need AtomFilms/LucasFilm for that.
-- Give him Head? Be a Beacon?
There seems to be some confusion (Score:3)
Wanna see TROOPS? (Score:3)
Some day I hope to have a
Re:umm... (Score:3)
> this
> dinner with the Dark Lord himself?
I can just hear Lucas in a few months:
"I am altering the bargain. Pray I do not alter
it further..."
Chris Mattern
Havn't they always allowed free fan work? (Score:3)
It's not just a coincidence that... (Score:4)
If Lucasfilm controls what parodies are allowed, do you think that anything beyond delicately poking fun would be permitted? What if you have another "Star Wars meets South Park" type of idea and you want to distribute it. Do you think Lucasfilm will give their blessing, no matter how funny it is?
It's time for Hollywood and Lucasfilm in particular to be reminded that we live in a country in which personal freedom is more important that a corporation's ability to make money. Actually, it's about time for a lot of people to be reminded of that.
Dave
If you build a man a fire he's warm for a day,
If you set a man on fire he's warm for a lifetime.
-- Unknown
they aren't "allowing" anything (Score:5)
LucasFilms gets some advertising money from the deal, so does Atom Films. The parodyists get exposure. No unauthorized or unapproved parodies will be restricted, they just won't be hosted on the "official" site. They are actually throwing their support behind the people who make good parodies. That sounds great to me.
ATTN: Paranoid /. First Amendment Freaks (Score:5)
We now return you to your scheduled paranoid ranting.