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ZDNet Discontinues AppWatch 61

Adam J. Richter writes: "Citing "today's economic climate", ZDNet has discontinued AppWatch.com, a software release tracking site similar to freshmeat.net, but covering only free software (usually GPL compatible) and having an automated update detector, making it very current with low noise. AppWatch was originally an independent site created by developer John D. Rowell. Before anyone flames ZDNet, consider that it may be that even a 100% share of ad revenues would not have been sufficient to retain John and his staff in comparison to other opportunities. John and an assistant were originally working on AppWatch for free, and ZDNet did a good thing by arranging so that they could get paid for it, probably saving the site at the time. Both parties were doing something positive, and the fact that they had to stop does not mean that they have done something negative. I, for one, hope to see AppWatch.com continued in one form or another."
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ZDNet Discontinues AppWatch

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  • VersionTracker (Score:5, Informative)

    by cshotton ( 46965 ) on Saturday September 01, 2001 @07:49AM (#2242648) Homepage
    There are dozens of these sites. VersionTracker.Com is one of my favorites, since it covers all of the major operating systems and lets you formulate your own queries.
    • I was just getting ready to post about it. I love VT. It's been my default page now since at least '97. It's a great site. I haven't used the Windows side of it since I am a Mac guy (does the nick give it away) so I can't comment on it much. If it's as complete as the Mac site, it's well worth a look. Freshmeat.net will always be my *nix site but VT is my Mac site.
  • by jqh1 ( 212455 ) on Saturday September 01, 2001 @08:10AM (#2242668) Homepage
    After I tried submitting a free web service to Webware, I got this email message:

    Dear Provider,

    Thanks for submitting your product or service to be listed in the Webware.com directory. However, Webware.com will cease publication on August 31, 2001, so we are unable to list your product at this time.

    If you have a downloadable version of your product, please submit it to Download.com.

    The Webware.com team

  • by shokk ( 187512 ) <ernieoporto AT yahoo DOT com> on Saturday September 01, 2001 @08:11AM (#2242670) Homepage Journal

    What do you need in AppWatch that Freshmeat didn't provide? Being that AppWatch, specializing in listing free software, is providing a subset of what Freshmeat lists, couldn't Freshmeat just provide a filter for searches based on licensing that would just give you the same functionality? They already keep track of license types, and this type of filterng is available in the advanced version of the simple search they now have on their home page when you register.


    Freshmeat always seems timely and deals in all the apps I use, even some really minor ones that I don't think I'd ever use. Always used them, so here's hoping they don't suffer the same demise. I see a long painful road of this ahead of us and the few willing to starve a little for their cause are going to make it to the end.

    • Redundancy...

      Relying on only one source is risky... Freshmeat could turn commercial and ask for a subscription in order to consult their services, or could dissappear... an that don't even take in account the fact that they may have hardware problems and be out of service for several days or weeks.

      The whole point bout a technology such as internet is that it allows tu implement redundancy easily (mirror or alternate sites/programs providng the same service).

    • What do you need in AppWatch that Freshmeat didn't provide?

      AppWatch figures out about updates automaticly.

      As users, we may not care, but as developers, we think that service is priceless. I don't have to announce my new releases, just upload them and all is fine!

      • Yeah this is the problem with Freshmeat, if people forgot to submit their software or their new realease it WON'T appear of freasmeat. Sourceforge people where working on an automatic Freashmeat integration so that every software release will automatically appear on Freashmeat, but as always with Sourceforge it takes a eternity to be done.
    • What do you need in AppWatch that Freshmeat didn't provide?

      I would like a license filter or license ranking option and an automated update detector such as jdwhatsnew [jdrowell.com], ideally while still allowing user submitted updates.

      On freshmeat, the updates that you see are generally very current, but, to the best of my knowledge, you only see what people submit. For example, to pick on myself, I see that I have been remiss in submitting an update for the freshmeat entry [freshmeat.net] for the July 17 release of version 1.6 of dvdtape [yggdrasil.com]. AppWatch's automated release monitoring provided more uniformity. As the amount of software scales up so that it's more work to double check for updates by visiting individual web sites, the value of this automation increases. Imagine if text search engines only updated from manual submissions.

      By the way, I read Freshmeat daily in addition to AppWatch, but I would usually start with appwatch for its update speed and focus on the type of software that I am most interested in. Then, I would typically visit freshmeat to see what appwatch did not cover and check out the unfree or GPL incompatible software (which I am also interested in monitoring after I've seen what's new in the GPL compatible space). I imagine that people with other copyright preferences might also like a copyright policy filter or prioritizer.

    • What do you need in AppWatch that Freshmeat didn't provide?

      The changelogs provided on AppWatch are far more informative than those on Freshmeat. That it also limits itself to Open Source is very beneficial. And, on Freshmeat, you click on the home page and get to it through a redirect from the freshmeat site. Ditto for downloads. Very, very frustrating when you want to copy the link from your browser and use lftp or curl to do the download. AppWatch was simple, informative, and timely.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    The site is www.distrowatch.com [distrowatch.com]. Not nearly as comprehensive as (now defunct) Appwatch, but growing and will hopefully be useful for people who used to frequent Appwatch. I relied on Appwatch for a lot of information, but now that I am on my own, I will do my best to keep www.distrowatch.com [distrowatch.com] up to date. Feedback is welcome.
  • When a project is discontinued, there's only one right thing to do: Release the source. This way others can pick up where you left. Maybe others have the time and the energy to take over what you couldn't afford to continue. The problem with commercial investments in spare time projects is that source code immediately becomes valuable and is less likely to be disclosed.
  • If we can't do anything about the death of AppWatch, we can consider petitioning versiontracker.com for a Linux section. They already have Mac, Mac OS X, and Windows.... Linux would be a natural evolution....
  • by Flammon ( 4726 ) on Saturday September 01, 2001 @08:34AM (#2242701) Journal
    AppWatch is like Google for finding free software; the search results are usually very accurate to what is intended.

    Freshmeat is more like AltaVista, there's a ton of stuff, but the search results are not pertinent.

    I hope AppWatch can continue operating without ZD or they will me missed.
    • I just discovered AppWatch earlier this week and was starting to think of it as a useful resource. As long as ppl continue to block banner ads, I expect to see more not-entirely-massive sites go down the tubes as the value of web advertising goes down. The saddest part is that so much of the Slashdot contingent seems to think that blocking ads is harmless. Payment for banner-load/click-through is the closest working thing to our beloved micropayment system.

      I guess a lot of OSS types really are just in it becuase they're tight-asses. In that light, I can almost see why the trolls keep linking goatse.
      • Not blocking banner ads just delays what is inevitable, that advertisers realize this: Banners don't work on people who hate banners enough to turn them of by all sorts of imperfect and timeconsuming means. Very few advertising campaigns work despite or because they piss people off. The prices for banner space are deteriorating because banner ads don't work as well as expected, blocked or not. The reason for banner networks disallowing "Click on the banner to keep us alive" is simple: If you click the banner just to help your favorite site, you don't add to the advertiser's profit. Same thing if you do not suppress banners just to keep AppWatch alive. Advertisers want customers, not people who suffer through animated banner bombardments just to keep a website alive.
  • What a lot of people don't realize when they invest in free software (GPL, BSD, artistic licence,...) is that, even if they don't get something back in money, they anyway get something back.

    Free Software works by personnal contribution, the more people that contribute, the more software and services are available FOR FREE and FOR EVERYONE (including those who are investing time and/or money).

    We can continue with the fact that the more software and services are available, the more people will adopt free software solutions as they are most likely to find what they are looking for.

    And to complete the cycle, the more people have adopted free software, the more people will contribute. Some may contribute because they feel in debt toward the Free Software community, other would program anyway and, as they are in the free software environment, they contribute in free software (think of great sharewares/freewares that existed like pkzip, rar, winamp,...). And other may be just caught by the game, beginning by adding a feature they needed and contributing it back to end by being a major contributor on the project.

    So, enterprises who are investing in free software are investing in tools that they may be already using (Apache for example) or that they will find later and for which they won't have to pay license fees (and thus, they'll have to spend less money on software... They don't win money, they just allow a way to not spend it to be possible.

  • After reading the notice regarding the discontinuation of AppWatch, I clicked on the link for their "Linux Update" site... only to see a big banner ad by Verio imploring me to "harness the power of Windows 2000 web hosting". Yup, that's good targeted advertising there, ZD...
  • Everything they're doing these days they claim to be a result of lost ad revenue, and in their cost-cutting desperation, they are doing things that...further reduce ad revenue!. Their management has no clue about how to service what people truly want, and pay only lip service to those who spell out very clearly what would make their services better.

    I've never even heard of this site/service, and I'm on ZDNet constantly. More stupidity...they apparently don't market it or they ruined it to the point where it's not worth mentioning. Maybe they need to look within to find out why it's not doing well.


  • Wow, do I feel silly. This is the first time I've heard of it. (And I was on the net before the age of webbrowsers.) Ah well, can't miss what never existed to me.

    But wouldn't these "gems" have a better chance of existing if someone would take the trouble to promote them???
  • It only makes sense. Watch them FBI agents cry for more money once free software is delivered in an encyprted enviornment, LOL..

  • Warning: shameless plug, but very helpful.

    We're [osdir.org] working on it: http://sf.net/projects/trovesendtwo/ [sf.net] And we could use some help if you're JAPH...

    All this needless effort can be avoided. On the author/maintainer side a client app [sf.net] should be able to update these product directories, check for diffs in listings, and save the author/maintainers a lot of work and track the history of the product changes. If a directory itself disappears the data is NOT lost. Just upload it all to the next one. And the next one. And the next one. The directory people can now go about promoting their site (and your products).

    The problem with sites like this one are the amount of work created for everyone, code authors/project maintainers & the directory people. And thus they die or burnout. And now all the work is lost?? The site is now just a press release. It's a shame.

    One side benefit, to the people you are trying to reach with your products, is that you can disseminate your product info to as many directories/sites with no more effort than updating once and letting the client-app do all the work of updating those sites you choose to list your product at.

  • I like FileFlash [fileflash.com] for Windows applications. :)

  • As one of the authors of AppWatch, I can't regret what happened. You can read my side of the story at AppWatch.org [appwatch.org]. John proved to be wrong. All I can say is that I regret what happened before the sale, not after. I thought about creating a new AppWatch (I registered greputils.{com,org}), but am no longer interested (still, you can try to persuade me).

    BTW, I remember when we announced the launch of AppWatch on several sites and the only to reject it was... Slashdot. We talked with Hemos by e-mail and his excuse was that there were ~100 submissions like ours by day. But now I can thank you for ignoring our announcement. You know the story.

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