Consonants Not Required 139
billybob2001 writes: "A report at the
BBC explains how voice-control of computers can be more successful using grunts and sighs, as "voice recognition programs often failed to accurately capture words". Dr Takeo Igarashi, of Brown University suggests the use of "ahhhh" for skipping tracks on a cd, or adjusting tv volume, but I wonder what the effect would be on pr0n sites? Another suggestion is "uh oh" for undo. Perfect for online banking. Is this going to confuse your system or what?"
Undo command (Score:5, Funny)
Dangerous, surely? (Score:2)
"Sorry, I couldn't get that disc you were after today" says a collegue.
"Ah, shit!". Oops, there goes a bunch of your document. Don't swear, though, or you'll lose it from the undo buffer as well!
Re:Dangerous, surely? (Score:3, Funny)
I can just see it now. You are recounting a traffic accident to a college:
You: "I rammed a sheriff!"
Computer: "Executing: rm -(dash)rf"
Mod parent up (Score:1)
Re:Dangerous, surely? (Score:1)
Re:Undo command (Score:2)
Re:Undo command - another possibility (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Undo command - another possibility (Score:1)
right on (Score:2)
or a little lesser violence with lesser curses. For example "Fucking A!" will just BSOD. Hey the irony itself would be funny...
Re:Undo command (Score:1)
(+1 - insightful)
Re:Undo command (Score:2)
Re:Undo command (Score:3, Funny)
Now my 16 month old will be able to run my machine!
Great use in showers! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Great use in showers! (Score:2)
Re:Great use in showers! (Score:2)
control. These are really common in Japan and Hong Kong (surely elsewhere too). They are more economical, give you water heated to your desired temperature almost instantly, and you never run out of perfectly heated water.
Help Desk (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Help Desk (Score:2)
Can you imagine the Microsoft ad? "Now talk to the computer *the way you've always wanted to*. IntelliSense handles all forms of four letter words..."
Ooooh (Score:1)
I can see it now... (Score:1)
Tarzan producing a buffer overflow. How long before a script kiddie rips its yell into an mp3?
Well no shit. (Score:2, Funny)
I dont think so.
Re:Well no shit. (Score:2)
ooo-errr! eee! errr aeee! ahhh!
=]
Now we'll really sound like monkeys (Score:1)
Re:Now we'll really sound like monkeys (Score:1)
Won't work for social reasons (Score:1)
As well as that, if this did take off, can you imagine the implications for language: grunts, moans and sighs would become ubiquitous in everyday conversation...
Al.
Re:Won't work for social reasons (Score:1)
Damn Computer . . . (Score:1)
Voice controlling a computer sucks. (Score:1)
Self Destruct (Score:3, Funny)
Just don't say Mua'dib or the computer explodes.
-He has the weirding way.
If the speakers are aimed at you (Score:2)
This assumes you are talking about the Muad Dib in the movie, and not the one in the book. All that weirding module stuff isn't in the book. The "weirding way" is basically Super Ninja fighting techniques. Paul was taught by Jessica.
Re:If the speakers are aimed at you (Score:1)
Yeah, and Jessica wasn't bad...she was just drawn that way.
It's cute, but... (Score:5, Interesting)
What I'd worry about is whether these unarticulated sounds sound more like background noise than articulated speech; if so, then you've made the situation worse by making it harder for the computer to know when you're talking to it.
On "uh oh": Dragon Dictate (discrete speech recognition from a few years ago) used "oops" for telling the SR system when it made a mistake; it was reasonably easy to distinguish from words that you actually wanted to put into your text with any frequency.
Re:It's cute, but... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:It's cute, but... (Score:3, Interesting)
When people speak, it is the consonants that matter. Ever try listening closely to someone with a pronounced regional accent? The vowels are all jumbled up but the speech is still intelligible. IIRC, people tried to teach gorillas to communicate using different grunts, and gave up in favor of sign language. Reason being that you *can't* string two different vowels together without a consonant in between and have it be intelligible.
Re:It's cute, but... (Score:1)
Re:It's cute, but... (Score:1)
Just so you know... (Score:2)
Re:Just so you know... (Score:1)
Like the p in bathing.
Wrong. (Score:2, Informative)
The sound [h] is usually considered a consonant.
Actually... (Score:1)
Combine this with biofeedback (Score:1)
No, this is serious academic research! (Score:3, Interesting)
Seriously. I have colleagues that work on this type of thing:
"Sound Symbolism in Conversational Grunts in English"
"The Challenge of Non-lexical Speech Sounds"
"Issues in the Transcription of English Conversational Grunts"
http://www.sanpo.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~nigel/publicati
Tim Allen will love this (Score:3, Interesting)
This really strikes me as the verbal equivelent of Palm's Grafitti - if normal interactions (printing/speaking) is too hard, make a simplified interface (Grafitti/grunting) that isn't.
I don't know, but I already learned one interface (typing) to make my computer's life easier. Why should I do all the work?
Typing vs. speech (Score:1)
Any new interface requires some accomodation from the user.
Re:Typing vs. speech (Score:3, Interesting)
Ok, that sounds fair, but I guess you'd want to have some sort of benefit after you invest your time?
I just don't see this sort of interface to catch on for standard applications. I mean - imagine you are in an office with 20 people grunting at their computers, the noise they make is just going to be unbearable. That's got to be worse than that annoying guy who's checking his voicemail via speaker phone. *shudder*
From the article:
By increasing the pitch of your voice, the scrolling speed increases. When you stop speaking, the scrolling ends.
Can you imagine sitting next to a guy who uses this, and not have a headache after 10 mins?
Benefits fo speech recognition (Score:2)
In general (yes, there are exceptions), GUI's excel at bringing a greater density of information from the computer to the user, while command line technologies are better at delivering a greatly enhanced level of information density from the user to the computer. I remember trying to go from a command line FTP to WS-FTP and going RIGHT BACK because it made "simple" tasks like downloading a file to a floppy disk but as a different name and making it FAR more complicated.
The advantage of a speach interface is that theoretically, you have at nearly as much information density going to the computer as you do from the command line, and it does not conflict with the GUI.
Of course this argument also works for X-term...
Re:Benefits fo speech recognition (Score:1)
I don't know if an "Auditory OS" would ever take off for one simple reason...we all make mistakes. can you imagine how hard it would be to dictate a paper to your computer, even if its speech recognition was perfect?
"Computer networks have assisted...uh no. Computer networks assist...no...fuck, delete all that."
All of a sudden, you've got a page full of junk and mutterings that you have to go over with the keyboard anyway. What's the point?
Re:Tim Allen will love this (Score:1)
Type in soundbites (thanks to email)
Write like small children (thanks to Palm, emoticons)
Speak like cavemen (thanks to voice recognition)
Observe like small, hyper monkeys (thanks to television)
...and eventually regress to thinking like Neanderthals
Re:Tim Allen will love this (Score:2)
I know what I want ... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I know what I want ... (Score:1)
In Related News, Code Sex Virus Released (Score:2)
When asked about the virus the unidentified man responded "It's not my fault! I didn't to it intentionally. All I was doing was surfing my favorite pr0n sites and, well, you know, enjoying myself, when all these windows started popping up! At first I thought it was the usual spam trick - but no, this code just started appearing everywhere. It just sort of created itself... really! You've gotta believe me!"
The investigation continues.
oooll rite (Score:1)
In other words i acn now sodomize Queen's english with scientific approval!!
Ooo...eee.. (Score:2, Funny)
A line from "The Witch Doctor" by David Seville or voice command to shutdown Windows? Decide for yourself by playing it for your voice recognition software.
Re:Ooo...eee.. (Score:3, Funny)
The verbal equivalent of perl?
Cheers,
Jim in Tokyo
mics (Score:1, Troll)
singing ditties for commands (Score:3, Funny)
Not particularly useful... (Score:2, Funny)
Ahhhh (Score:3, Funny)
FindSound didn't find (Score:1)
The sound I'm looking for is from the Toonami segue to/from commercials, right after the beat stops there is this whistle like sound (I'd imitate it, but something tells me that wouldn't work). I'm looking for that whistle like sound, so if anybody knows where I might find respond to this comment.
Re:FindSound didn't find (Score:1)
2) record sequence with whistle in it to wav
3) cut off what you don't need
No I dont have it, but I used to do this to get certain song-samples.. some 10 years ago..
//rdj
Technology Devolves Humans (Score:2, Funny)
Bill gates said "We are proud to be responsible for the conversion to a much easier language. While XML can organize our data better, we needed a common language for human interaction. Leveraging our power on the desktop, we we able to achive this." When asked about how aliens might perceive our change of language, Gates repsonded "I'm sure that they will appreciate the simplicity more. I mean, who ever liked French and all of it's eligance anyway?"
Grunt snort grr grr.
Don't Sneeze! (Score:1)
"Wachooooooooo!"
Computer reboots...
Okay for now.. (Score:1)
.e.., (Score:1)
.oo. e.e...o..
Whistle of Command (Score:1)
It's pretty easy to detect several frequencies of whistles, so command can be made from sequences of whistling. It was pointed out that high-low sequences would be easiest (rather than combinations of 3 or more tones), as individual people could use what was high-low tones for them rather than trying to train humans to have better pitch control.
Re:Whistle of Command (Score:2)
Oook! (Score:2)
Time for Tellytubbies! (Score:2, Funny)
Eh-oh!
Uh-ehn! Uh-ehn!
Time for tubby shutdown...
Uh-oh...
Speakable Items (Score:1)
It's just the next step in making the usage of a computer more "user friendly" and thereby utterly inefficient. Typing vi kane/rosebud.text is so much faster than double-clicking on the folder kane and then on the file rosebud.text, and by far faster than saying "Show Speakable commands. Open folder Kane. Open folder Kane. Open folder Kane. Finally! Open file Rosebud dot text. Open file Rosebud dot text. Open file Rosebud period text..." Now, if you don't even use real language but only grunts, it becomes even worse. Talking about "Disneyfication" [cryptonomicon.com]! Or rather, alienation of the work process [eserver.org].
nature sounds? (Score:1)
Bad idea from a linguistic standpoint (Score:5, Interesting)
But voice activated systems are stupid, anyway...speech is one of the slowest forms of human interaction, and is one of the few we have to actively concentrate on to perform. You know when people say, "Think before you speak?" That's because once you start speaking a large portion of your brain activity is devoted to doing so...it actually becomes harder to think about what to say next. Pressing a button or turning a dial takes practically no thought...which is another reason why a speech written in spontaneous draft still sounds better than one that is spoken aloud. If we convert machines to speach recognition, we're effectively asking people to interact with them in dumber ways. And can you imagine the logic involved with processing a fairly simple statement like "This check in my hand should be processed by you and in return i'd like fifty bucks in tens and ten one dollar bills." Since the command isn't linear, the machine not only has to recognize what each word means, but try and interpret them in queue. And if humans can't construct complicated sentences like the one above -- which any human over the age of about 4 can understand, before that kids can't identify the subject and object in complex sentences -- they'll be inconvenienced by speaking machines. Oh and for a simpler example, try this: "My pin number? 376 uhhhhhh...Forty-two thirteen...aaaaaaaaaaaand...is it six? no. Eight?...oh! oh! sixty eight!" A human can understand that...we'd be annoyed, but we'd get it.
Where speech is the right thing (Score:1)
Re:Bad idea from a linguistic standpoint (Score:2)
Uh huh.
Re:Bad idea from a linguistic standpoint (Score:2)
Background noises deleted my HDD! (Score:4, Interesting)
How selective would the speech recognition be? If I was playing musing on that computer, would the computer pick up the tones coming in and start "doing stuff(tm)" on my computer? What about background noises? My friend's Jello Biafra spoken word CDs?
I won't even go there with my Saturday Morning Cartoon CD - Eep Opp Ork Ah-Ah (This means mail all of my friends a copy of my resume)...
What I would do... (Score:2)
If they start standardizing on a vowel command system and people overcome the embarassment of using it, how long before SharperImage starts selling little boxes that make the same sounds at the push of a button, to, you know, make life even better?
We need a new language(s) (Score:1)
We have already mangled the natural language and
created a bunch of programming languages.
Now this new effort requires standardization.
Just imagine the video tape learning new voice features of Windows 2XXX !
Open file - Off!
Close file - Buff!
Save file - Grm!Grm!
Imagine teachers telling students how to
properly pronounce the "Set preferences" (PfGfGrrf!)
Imagine "holy wars" between adherents of
MicroQuack(tm) and FreeGrunt(GPL).
That's our future.
PS. Don't forget international sighs !
This is what lojban is for. (Score:1)
http://lojban.org/ [lojban.org]
Don't wait until Microsoft releases their version.
It's all phonetics (Score:1)
I think rather than manipulate our computers using "oooh" and "ahh" and "Oh shit!".... perhaps we should just restructure the English language?
A potential timeline: (Score:5, Funny)
2040: Computers are finally small enough that they're all embedded into our environments, but neural interfaces don't work, so we still grunt and snort into our computers, but it looks like we're just grunting and snorting in general. People use computers exclusively, and never talk to one another; thus, language is lost and we just grunt and snort a lot.
2060: aliens visit hoping to find intelligent life, but instead find a bunch of snorting, grunting apes. They leave.
Turn off PBS. (Score:2)
This is Bad, very bad . . . (Score:1)
Won't work in New England (Score:2, Funny)
As a Boston-area resident, I'd like to suggest that this choice of sound wouldn't work for us:
"Hey paahl, gahhhttah go pahhk my caah." *CD skips 4 tracks*
You'd figure the guy works for a New England university, he might've picked up on that. How about "y'all" instead?
Won't work in the South either (Score:2)
"Way-uhl, Ah doan know wut Ah'm gonna do. Mah CD keeps skippin'. Wut are y'all gonna do?"
Here we are at the peak of the greatest technological revolution the world has ever known, and this guy wants us to go back to communicating with grunts and moans.
What would Rain-in-the-Face do?
Where's the Python foot? (Score:2)
"Maybe he was dictating."
From the manual - step 1: Logging on. (Score:2, Funny)
Tourette's GUI (Score:2, Funny)
stolen idea (Score:1)
Sheep (Score:2, Interesting)
Witch Doctor (Score:2)
Ooo, Eee, Ooo, Ahh ahh,
Ting, Tang, Walla walla bing bang.
Fun with Windows Users (Score:2, Funny)
1)Install this and set it up so that this starts up when windows does.
2) Set a sound to shutdown Windows
3) Record that sound and set it to play whenever windows starts or whenever there is an error.
4)loop the sound output into the input.
5) sit back and enjoy watching them turn on there computer only for it to grunt and turn off on them.
*note* Don't know if all of this would be possible but I just had to share this thought
Undo (Score:3, Interesting)
"Uh oh"
On another note, I knew a guy who worked with voice rec software where the delete-word command was "oops". Whenever he would watch another person typing and they would typo, he would instinctively say "oops". I'm guessing it's kind of how my writting went bad went I was using graffiti a lot. You get used to these quirky mannerisms you use to control the machines. Then you end up looking like a dork and annoying the people around you
No need for this (Score:2)
I first used voice recognition software with OS/2 4.0 on a P100 with 16MB. I was amazed at how well it worked. Of course, 16Mb was inadequate for dictation, but even with that puny system I had it trained in half and hour.
There's a reason that voice recognition hasn't caught on. It's not because it doesn't work. It's because people don't want to talk to their computers. It's embarassing. It's not convenient. It's awkward to say those commands that computers need, like "arrem minus arref slash star".
Sex (Score:2, Funny)
Great for Slashdotters (Score:2, Funny)
The problem is the English language... (Score:1)
English is just such a hard language to pronounce consistently. It's not the consonants -- it's the fact that we have to pronounce consonants that are not followed by vowels.
Think about that for a while. Then say the word 'eighths'. Notice the 'g-h-t-h-s', in which the g and the h are not pronounced, but the t, h, and s are -- as two syllables in fact!
Even words like 'what', contain that ending consonant that is pronounced, but is very hard to pick up.
Some people claim that English is a phonetic language, but only barely if it is at all.
I use Dragon Dictate/Naturally Speaking, and I get around a 95% recognition rate. You have no idea how surprising that is!!!
That actually is only slightly less than what people can do. Of course we don't need to actually hear every word correctly.
So what we all need to do is to speak a decent language, maybe Esperanto
Of course my vote is for Mandarin Chinese -- each word is exactly one syllable long; there is no pause at the end of words, only sentences; each syllable is either a vowel or a consonant followed by a vowel; words are distiguished by intonations (which is easily picked up by any speech recognition software); and there is no conjugation! (that means there is no be/is/am/are/been/being, no infinitives (to go) to split, no silly grammar like 'Where do you live?' where the sentence goes object-subject-verb, etc...)
Of course the written language has to go...50,000 distinct characters *grumble grumble*.
Re:So many applications.. (Score:1)
Re:Why?? (Score:2)
There are other applications though. For example, a car radio. Why press the buttons to find radio stations if you could tell the car "tune 95.3". It has applications on a telephone menuing system.
But don't underestimate dictation software. There are lots of advantages of dictation. It lets you 'type' faster (assuming it's good software and you train it), and people who are disabled or have injury (broken wrist, carpal tunnel) really need it.
Re:Why?? (Score:2)
Re:Know who could be... (Score:2)