Alternate Audio Tracks for Movies 163
Patrick Stein writes "DVD Tracks is a forum for the distribution
of home-brew, alternate audio tracks for movies.
Inspired by Roger Ebert's column in Yahoo!Internet Life entitled You, Too, Can Be a DVD Movie Critic, DVD Tracks puts
you behind the microphone to talk about your
favorite flicks." Cool idea, but there's only one track. (Groundhogs day?)
Alternatives... (Score:1, Funny)
Juro5hin.com
(OT) E2 and /. have little in common (Score:1)
[Alternatives to Slashdot:] Everything2.com
Everything 2 [wikipedia.com] is more like Wikipedia [everything2.com] than it is like Slashdot.
Read more: Is E2 just like Slashdot? [everything2.com]
Juro5hin.com
You mean Kuro5hin.org. If you really want a first post, take your time; you have 20 seconds, after all.
By the way, if you cross K5 with a bit of E2, you get .5e [half-empty.org].
Calling Joel Hodgson (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Calling Joel Hodgson (Score:2)
Re:Calling Joel Hodgson (Score:1)
I'd actually pay for a DVD then... rather than Netflix'ing them...
Re:Calling Joel Hodgson (Score:1)
Re:Calling Joel Hodgson (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Calling Joel Hodgson (Score:3, Informative)
MST3k means "Mystery Science Theater 3000". It was a television show where a bad movie was shown in the background, and in the foreground there was a shadow of some recurring characters (Joel/Mike, Crow, Tom Servo) so that it looked like the recurring characters were watching the movie inside a theater. The recurring characters heckled the movie. (It was a lot funnier than it sounds.)
Re:Calling Joel Hodgson (Score:4, Informative)
The latest batch of MST3K DVDs to have been released have this feature. Or rather, they're double-sided DVD's with the original cut of the movie on one side and the MiSTed cut on the other.
Re:Calling Joel Hodgson (Score:2, Informative)
but which one is most aclaimed? (Score:1)
but it is also the most aclaimed one... and most active!
Good for REAL movie critics (Score:2, Interesting)
Critics should not have a unquestioning audience (Score:4, Interesting)
Read a few reviews
Note who wrote them and what they had to say
See the movies, and then reconcile which critic(s) you most often agree with
Look for their review when you're planning how to spend your disposable income
Update list as necessary
I've noticed some reviewers are excellent for films targeted at 18-30 year old, who are completely out of it when reviewing something like A Bugs Life. Keep tabs on where their opinions are off base and on target. Disappointingly many have forgotten what it was like to be young.
Or if the critic is Roger Ebert... (Score:2)
Re:Or if the critic is Roger Ebert... (Score:2)
Me, I listen to AICN's Moriarty.
Re:Good for REAL movie critics (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Good for REAL movie critics (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Good for REAL movie critics (Score:2)
I've had a different experience. When there is really nothing in it worth seeing, I'm generally aware of this just from reading two or three reviews. Occasionally I disagree with them. But I'm still better off overall.
Re:Good for REAL movie critics (Score:2)
In some ways it can be a good thing if reviewers of anything are somewhat cynical.
I've learned not to pay attention to reviews and criticism's just because movies that get crappy ratings always turn out ok or good, and movies with GREAT reviews most often turn out to be boring.
Sounds more like the professional reviwers being too much of a homogeneous group...
Any software to support this? (Score:2)
Re:Any software to support this? (Score:2, Informative)
It lets you sink anything from an mp3, ac3, or raw wav file i think.You can even adjust the delay timing to get it right. It also pauses like normal.
Just imagine... (Score:1)
Re:Just imagine... (Score:1)
I wonder how long it will be until the MPAA throws a shit fit?
Wizard of oz (Score:1)
Re:Wizard of oz (Score:1)
Anyone else ever hear of a cool alternate audio broadcast?
Re:Wizard of oz (Score:1)
One big, whompin' track? (Score:2)
Are there ways to bookmark sections in Mp3's to allow jumping to fixed locations in the track? Then you could jump to specific chapters.
Re:One big, whompin' track? (Score:2)
This way you burn a legal copy - keep your original safe - and watch your new commentary either in your Component DVD player [given it can read your discs] or your PC.
If making DVD discs you could make another track - but if you like VCD as I do [runs almost everywhere] you could just make a 60 cent two disc set. I know of many free programs that will put an mp3 to an mpeg - hell you could even make a MPEG-2 with some.
Seems pretty easy, I've had a great idea about The Matrix but I won't say it here.....
Re:One big, whompin' track? (Score:1)
iluvpr0n.
Groundhog Day (Score:3, Insightful)
I swear, if I got up every morning to that tune on the radio, I'd drop a toaster into my bathtub, too.
I can't quite figure out how or why I'd want to do my own soundtrack for a movie. Seems there's plenty I like the sound to just fine, and those that I don't, eh... I'm not sure I'm cut out for the MST3K line of work.
"Together I shall rule the world!" -- Tom Servo
Now I do have a lot of experience with running the play-by-play from the radio instead of from the TV during sports broadcasts. :-)
Sonny and ©her? EFF them (Score:3, Interesting)
The site's featured track is for the movie Groundhog Day, which repeatedly plays a song by Sonny and Cher (stage name of Salvatore Bono and Cherilyn LaPierre), both of whom have voiced support for perpetual [wikipedia.com] copyright [everything2.com].
If you want to watch the movies dubbed on the site without the revenue from your DVD purchases supporting the political agenda of Hollywood, then for every dollar you spend on entertainment, make a matching contribution to the Electronic Frontier Foundation [eff.org]. (I'm a card-carrying member myself.)
Bandwidth issues (Score:3, Insightful)
Re: Bandwidth issues (Score:2, Informative)
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Use Movies to Learn a Foreign Language (Score:1)
Picture this:
The audio of the movie you're watching is in the foriegn language that you'd like to learn. This would help you get a feel for the pronounciation of words. The subtitles of the movie would display not only the text for the audio (the foreign language), but also your native language so that you know what's going on. This would help you also learn the spelling of words being used.
Although the technology described wouldn't exactly enable this, it's a step towards it and I think it'd be a very cool thing to have. It wouldn't be that hard for DVD companies to implement it.
Better solution (Score:1)
Re subtitles: They are probably already available in both languages, so all you need to do if you really want both simultaneously is to modify a DVD player to show two sets of subtitles. Not a big problem, if the source code is available.
Not A Good Idea (Score:2)
There is no substitute for structured classes and learning the formal parts of any language. Watching movies and reading newpapers can help suplement language learning but one should never base learning around "pop culture". There are too many slangs and reagonal things to be really useful for general communication.
Re:Not A Good Idea (Score:1)
I know quite a few people that learnt English from Star Trek: TNG. Star Trek is actually good for learning English because the sentences are spoken slowly and clearly unlike in some other films or series.
The problem was that it is quite difficult in Germany to watch a series like Star Trek in English. Until this weekend it was legal to hack a satellite tv broadcasting station if that station did not sell subscribtions to your country.
So when I was still in school (9 years ago) we and a couple of my friends had a hacked smart card to receive the UK satellite TV stations. I know quite a few people that bought a decoder + hacked smart card just to watch ST:TNG and learn English.
Unfortuneately since Sky introduced their 0x0A smartcards Sky was never hacked again. This must be 7 or 8 years ago now.
Now DVDs have solved the problem of watching stuff in English. Every DVD (that was filmed in an ENglish speaking country) you can buy contains an English soundtrack. Some of these DVDs though force you to have German subtitles when watching the DVD with the ENglish soundtrack and you can't imagine how annoying it is seeing the film in one language and having subtitles in another. Luckily hacks exist for DVD players to remove user prohibitions.
The ENglish soundtrack is one of the major reasons why I buy so many DVDs because I am sick and tired of listening to the film in German. Sometimes you watch a movie and gain $$$ in the process: You order a DVD from DVD box office with free shipping, watch the movie and sell it again. SOmetimes movies can be sold for higher prices (used) than it cost to get the DVD new from DVD box office. I'll never understand why. This was especially true when ebay.de still allowed you to sell Region 1 DVDs.
Region codes are not a problem. Most DVD players are hackable or are already sold already hacked.
Cinemawise all films are in German, but some cinemas have one single screening of one film a week in the original language. Seldom though.
Having a film dubbed is better though than what some other countries do: Poland - here the film with the english track is audible - but very silent, but on top of this someone (a single person) is constantly translating what the people are saying. The difference in volume is so great that you cannot hear the background English when the translator is speaking. I don't understand Polish, but I think this is a very stupid way of doing things.
The Dutch, Danes and Swedish (probably over Scandinavien countries too) just show the movies in the original language and have subtitles. This is the reason why in the Netherlands everyone understands English and I mean everyone. In Germany, most people will understand you if you speak slowly because everybody learnt it at school sometime, but the older the people you are talking to and the less paid the profession, the less likely it is they understand you (and the lesser they get paid the less likely it is that they even speak German nowerdays). Depends on the job though, a programmer always understands English, so will any manager and the like.
Off topic: Since I'll maybe be moving to the US to work there at the end of the year, is it easy to get a DVD player that plays region 2 PAL DVDs on an NTSC TV? Region free of course? I don't want to throw away all my R2 DVDs.
Re:Not A Good Idea (Score:2)
Re:You can already do this (Score:1)
I Really Liked Groundhog Day (Score:1)
This doesn't seem like that cool of a thing as far as technology goes. I mean- you certainly don't need a dvd to do this.
Just record your thoughts watching a movie and have someone kick off the audio when the video tape gets to the start of the film. I know that dvd makes it a little easier to sync up audio and video- but it certainly isn't necessary.
In fact- if you want to go w/all tape, record your commentary on a couple audio cassettes (remember to warn the viewer to pause the VCR before they have to switch tapes.) Now even the most technologically underpriveleged can enjoy custom commentary.
Maybe I'll have friends over an we will do a live 'improv' movie commentary party!
Oh yeah, we've been doing that for years already. But it will be cooler now that it is official.
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Market? (Score:1)
Re:Market? (Score:2)
Yeah, if I wanted to hear complete strangers mouthing off as if their every thought was special I'd just go see the film in a movie theater.
Hell, you can get 3 or 4 secondary audio tracks at the same time like that.
Average track (Score:5, Funny)
Total Downloads of this clip: 3
Re:Average track (Score:1)
You weren't that far off!
I see a different use for this. (Score:2)
Re:I see a different use for this. (Score:2)
Do it with quicktime (Score:1)
Poor, poor Patrick.... (Score:3, Funny)
While this IS certainly an interesting idea and possibly even worth an article on Slashdot, his content is a bit thin and I have his usual site traffic is basicly not existant....until NOW that is!!!
So anyways...Pat, if you are reading this...good luck and I hope you are being charged for bandwidth by the Mb!!! Of course, you could always take a page from this guy [slashdot.org] and ask that the Slashdot community reimburse you...
gunfire... (Score:1)
News? (Score:1)
Hrm. (Score:2)
Re:Hrm. (Score:1)
The idea doesn't really sound too good, either. I don't play CS with the voice feature enabled for the same reason I will never listen to one of these DVDs...I don't wanna hear some loser talking about whatever, when I could hear and see quality audio and video. I mean, after a while you'll either get people with well-reasoned opinions (small percentage of community), and the great deal of the community that bashes everything and yells expletives into their microphones. Actually, that kinda sounds like
Deja vous? (Score:1)
I swear I've read this story before, but I can't figure out where...
Will copyright lawyers squish this? (Score:4, Interesting)
I hope not. It just occurs to me that this might be a "derivative work" according to the MPAA...
I think most of us rational people realize that "alternate soundtracks" are perfectly harmless if not actually helpful to the bottom line of companies whose DVDs are getting alternate tracks made for them, but I think most of us recognize just how rational the MPAA is...
If they do attack this, at least the the "squashing of free speech" aspect of their current campaigns will be more blatant (if such a thing is possible), and if they DON'T, then we'll have another legitimate reason for 'fair-use' space-shifted copies of DVD movies (to make SVCD's with the alternate soundtracks for personal use on our standalone players, of course.)
Fair Use (Score:2)
After all the alternate audio commentaries are somewhat meaningless unless you have the video to go along with it.
Re:Fair Use (Score:1)
This sounds cool but... (Score:3, Insightful)
I definitely don't want a review of the movie while I'm watching it by some schlub who has no more insight than I do. I can take care of that for myself, thank you very much.
Maybe that's just me, tho...
Jason
Re:This sounds cool but... (Score:1)
*GAAAA*
This would make sense if maybe more people actually got together and prepared a script that would be worth listening to rather than a guy who constantly talks about his cuff and some town he isn't even sure of whether it's on this planet...
I could see how that would make sense if some fans got few heads together to produce a track for their favorite movie. Like a track for Star Wars movie where they would talk about all the cameos and other interesting stuff.
d.
Re:This sounds cool but... (Score:5, Interesting)
On the other hand, Joe Blow is not going to have the knowledge of both film and literature that Roger Ebert has, so maybe amateur commentaries aren't a great idea.
Re:This sounds cool but... (Score:2, Insightful)
best position to comment on the film. However, this idea would
really come to life when people submit "background information"
commentries, ie. something a film maker wouldn't necessarily know
anything about.
For example, and someone has already mentioned this, a commentry
by a psychologist discussing the lead characters in Memento or Pi
would be fascinating -- at least to me.
Another example might be a compare and contrast discussion of a
piece of literature and it's celluloid adaptation. I would
suggest Lord of the Rings would be a great candidate for this
(Crikey, I've wasted countless hours in the pub critiquing this
film already, perhaps I should do it
Groundhog Day commentary (Score:4, Funny)
"Hi this is Pat and welcome to my commentary on Groundhog Day. The movie stars Bill Murray..."
*five minutes later*
"Hi this is Pat and welcome to my commentary on Groundhog Day. The movie stars Bill Murray..."
Groundhog Day commentary (Score:5, Funny)
"Hi this is Pat and welcome to my commentary on Groundhog Day. The movie stars Bill Murray..."
*five minutes later*
"Hi this is Pat and welcome to my commentary on Groundhog Day. The movie stars Bill Murray..." .
Re:Groundhog Day commentary (Score:1)
Re:Groundhog Day commentary (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Groundhog Day commentary (Score:1, Insightful)
Great. (Score:2)
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I think the only alternate movie soundtrack I'd care to listen is would be Filthy's [bigempire.com] take on it.
Fractured Flickers (Score:1)
Pink Floyd @ Wizard of Oz (Score:3, Interesting)
The Wizard of Oz.
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And Jeff Mills version of Metropolis... (Score:2)
Everything Old is New Again. (Score:3, Funny)
Then we'd just play the movie on the VHS, and record it on the BETA, and adlib voices over the top of it. Sometimes it was lame, but a lot of times it was absolutely hilarious, especially when we had a really good exchange that just came off the top of our head, and synced w/ the actors well.
Darth Vadar saying "Once you go black, you never go back" when he points and Leia and calls her a traitor has never been so funny.
Roll your own- (Score:2, Interesting)
This -does- make me wonder, though, if/when our friends in the MPAA would do something about this, trying to blur what defines a 'derivative work'. Look up 'The Wind Done Gone' sometime, a parody of 'Gone With the Wind' that re-tells the story from a different viewpoint. The Margaret Mitchell estate tried to sue the author, but fortunately was unsuccessful with the attempt. Still though, were truly big media to flex political muscle/money, who knows what they can do. After all, look at the DMCA and CBDTPA...
-Mudpuppy
"Carpe vitam globis!"
This could be absolutely awesome (Score:3, Interesting)
However, I like E-bert's idea. What if you were involved in the movie, and had a particular viewpoint. I had a friend that works for Paramount, and is involved behind the scenes with Star Trek, especially the movies. And he's got stories and behind the scenes insights that would blow your mind. Watched The Wrath of Khan with him and it completely changed my impression of that movie.
Having an expert commentary about a movie based on particular subject matter would be also very worth it. My grandfather was in the first wave at Utah Beach and definitely has alot to say about Saving Pvt Ryan.
Now, if you can have a program to sync the commentary to the PC DVD player, then it'll be the killer app for PC DVD.
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Would be nice to see used for localisation (Score:2)
Phillip.
Re:Would be nice to see used for localisation (Score:2)
Re:Would be nice to see used for localisation (Score:1)
He's talking about Region 2 (Score:2)
I think North American DVDs have so many French tracks due to Canada. There are only 2 main languages in region 1. In Europe there are dozens.
Re:He's talking about Region 2 (Score:2)
There would be at least 3. Plenty of Spanish speaking Americans, especially in the West and around the Carribean coast.
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DVD authors: adding soundtracks? (Score:1)
Is there some way to use a DVD authoring package to duplicate a DVD and add an extra soundtrack stream to it? DVDs already have multiple soundtracks for commentaries, other languages and different compression formats so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to add one of your own.
Am I missing Something? (Score:1)
DMCA (Score:1)
Groundhog's Day Commentary (Score:2)
Okay site, shoulda waited for it to mature a bit. (Score:2, Informative)
However, there's apparently only one track on this site - I listened to the Groundhog Day track and it's certainly not bad. The guy admits he doesn't have filler commentary for every scene on the screen and the microphone rattle in the beginning reveals a limited amount of preparation, so for what it's worth it's certainly a nice first try. I been to Punxsutawney couple times [kobotica.com], and love Groundhog Day the Movie, so it was rather interesting to listen to the guy's comments.
I think perhaps though it was premature to feature this site on slashdot - don't you think you should have waited until there was a few more tracks on there? As it is, it looks like a thousand people are gonna download the same track - it would have made a better impression if you had let it mature a bit. All the same, it would be nice to see more things like this. It's a good and creative way to 'share' stuff without pirating. :)
Hmmm ... (Score:1)
this could be interesting (Score:1)
Does anyone NOT know Groundhog Day? (Score:2)
Oh please tell me you have not NOT seen Groundhog Day? It's a classic. Rent it now.
"Now put your little hand in mine..."
Aaron
Re:No one will take the time... (Score:1)
Re:No one will take the time... (Score:1)
It may have sounded like flamebait... (Score:3, Insightful)
(For those who read at 1 or higher, the parent to this post said "No one will take the time to listen to this sort of thing. Except for the poster, maybe his girlfriend." Hopefully it will get bumped up soon, but AC's seldom seem to get their props under the current mod system.)
I strongly disagree with what Roger Ebert says about homebrew comentary. I like some director commentary tracks. I like it even better when a DVD comes with comentary by a very well-informed person who writes about movies for a living (such as the comentary on Criterion's edition of Seven Samurai, or the track Mr. Ebert himself did for Dark City). Listening to some of those tracks is like taking a film school seminar, with one of the nation's leading critics as your professor for the day.
That said, there is no way I'm going to spend two hours of my life listening to what the typical talk-backer from Aint-It-Cool-News has to say about his favorite flick. Why would I ever take the time to download a play-by-play breakdown of... oh, say "12 Monkeys"... when, for all I know, it was done by somebody who never saw "La Jette" (which it was based on), nor any of Gilliam's previous body of work, and spends most of the running time of the film talking about Brad Pitt's recent marriage to Jenifer Aniston and how he thought that the Bruce Willis movie "Hudson Hawk" was really underrated.
In Proverbs* it says that there is no man on Earth who you can't learn something from, but that doesn't mean that everybody's nuggets of wisdom are worth the time to mine them.
* Footnote: "Proverbs" is a popular religious text expounding on the virtues of wisdom, for those of you who drive around with those lame "Darwin fish" on the backs of your cars, in spite of having never attended a high school biology class.
Re:Grow up and stop "Warezing" (Score:1)
you see it the wrong way
its like copying the book and walking away with it... thats the whole difference with copying.
Secondly, not everyone who copies DVD's or software would have bought it, if they had the option between 'buying' or 'leaving'.
Re:Grow up and stop "Warezing" (Score:1)
but do you think I (and many others with me) care? guess what... we don't.
Re:Grow up and stop "Warezing" (Score:1, Informative)
be used in conjunction with DVDs or other movies.
Re:Grow up and stop "Warezing" (Score:2)
What about the resources ($$$) that it takes to actually make movies/music/books/etc? Don't the creators deserve to reimbursed for their time and effort? Isn't it morally wrong to deny them their profit even from something they spent resources creating? IP doesn't magically grow on trees, it usually takes actual work and resources to create. When you buy a CD or movie, sure there's distribution cost (very low), but you're also paying the creation cost. That's why making a copy of something you didn't buy is stealing -- sure it's just a copy, but the use of that work creates the moral obligation to pay your share of the creation costs as well. So please don't try to play the "it's illegal, but not morally wrong" card; you don't have a leg to stand on.
Re:Spoofs (Score:1)
I know...chicken salad, but that's what it looked like they were saying. I really loved it and can't wait for it to come out on DVD...
Re:DSOTM (Score:1)