Nebula Award Winners 128
jbennetto writes: "The Nebulas are out! The winning novel is A Quantum Rose, a SF/Romance backwater-standalone in a series of six books about an interstellar conflict between human empires. The author, Catherine Asaro, is a physicist. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon won best script, and Jack Williamson, Kelly Link, and Severna Park won the short fiction catagories."
Little things (Score:5, Funny)
I didn't even bother looking for the Hidden Dragon.
Karma, karma, everywhere, so let's all have a drink!
Re:Little things (Score:1)
Not my site, but pretty good reading, hit reload a couple times. 8)
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Re:Little things (Score:1)
You have been hit with the CLUE STICK $$$
Karma, karma, everywhere, so lets all have a drink!
Heisenberg (Score:2, Funny)
Heisenberg didn't say you couldn't find them. He said that you could either know their positions or their velocities (speed + direction), but not both. :P
Let me guess: you went looking for them and for some reason chose a method that determined their velocities.
6th novel in a series? (Score:1)
Re:6th novel in a series? (Score:1)
The winning novel is A Quantum Rose, a SF/Romance backwater-standalone in a series of six books about an interstellar conflict between human empires.
emphasis mine.
read out of order (Score:2)
"The Skolian novels can be read in any order and the Quantum Rose particularly can be read out of sequence with the planet-hopping novels."
Re:6th novel in a series? (Score:1)
Crouching Tiger? (Score:1, Troll)
Re:Crouching Tiger? (Score:1)
Etc?
Re:Crouching Tiger? (Score:1)
Re:Crouching Tiger? (Score:2)
The fiction part is that the reaction is what you would only get in real life to real, cooked slowly on the top of the stove, constantly stirring, made from scratch, using only the best of ingredients, pudding.
Re:Crouching Tiger? (Score:2)
Doesn't that depend on whether the extraordinary phenomena (flying and walking on bamboo shoots) are explained by supernatural or technological forces?
Re:Crouching Tiger? (Score:1)
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Re:Crouching Tiger? (Score:5, Informative)
SFWA, the organization which awards the Nebulas (and does lots of other stuff as well -- check out the Web site [sfwa.org]) is an organization for writers of both science fiction and fantasy, as the name implies. And yes, it was originally the Science Fiction Writers of America -- and then, briefly, SFFWA, the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America, before we decided that changing a well-known acronym like SFWA (prounounced "sif-wa") was pointless, and held a vote to make the acronym SFWA regradless of what the actual name was -- and yes, the Nebulas have generally been dominated by science fiction at the expense of fantasy, but a) fantasy has gained a lot of ground over the last couple of decades, both critically and commercially, and it would be silly to ignore that, and b) the dramatic Nebulas (when we've awarded them -- we haven't always) have generally been a bit broader-based that the literary Nebulas, in recognition of the fact that Hollywood often turns out some really good SF/F while avoiding those labels for marketing reasons.
Re:Crouching Tiger? (Score:2)
Neh
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No wonder I didn't read this. (Score:1)
http://www.sff.net/people/asaro/quantumrose.htp
Note for romance lovers: Get some taste. Oops, no, I meant it looks like the bad romance novels, as opposed to the, er, good ones.
Re:No wonder I didn't read this. (Score:2)
Re:No wonder I didn't read this. (Score:2)
I read the three-part excerpt in Analog last year, and it is definitely worth looking into.
Yes, it is mostly a romance story, but there's some interesting ideas in there as well, and Asaro has a very nice writing style. She publishes regularly in Analog, and she's fast becoming one of my favourites.
MartI'd just like to say.... (Score:5, Informative)
It's nice to know that professional literature can still be free, even if professional music often can't.
"E-Piracy" (Score:1, Informative)
Re:I'd just like to say.... (Score:3, Insightful)
But I have to just butt in and say that I long for the days before every single story that got posted to Slashdot had one or more highly moderated comments like this one.
Some people prefer to download music rather than buying CDs. Some people prefer to download movies rather than attending them or buying DVDs. Some people prefer to download books rather than buying them or borrowing them from their local library. There are evidently people out there-- although I don't mean to imply that mblase is one of them-- who believe they're entitled to free music, movies, books, and software.
I prefer to believe that these people are in the minority. I prefer to think that the vast majority of people out there believe in working for a living. I prefer to think that most people take pride in their hard work, and reject the ethics of entitlement.
But you wouldn't know it from reading Slashdot. Every damn day we see comments like this one: "It's nice to know that professional literature can still be free."
How about we rephrase this comment. Will all due respect to mblase, I think what you really meant to say was: It's nice to know that these authors have been so generous and cool to release their stories for free on the Internet. They did not have to do this, but they were cool enough to do it anyway. Everybody go download them, and if you like them, buy the author's book.
Re:I'd just like to say.... (Score:2)
Actually, I'm pretty sure they did have to -- when they allowed their work to be published in Asimov or the other magazines, they also allowed those magazines to publish their work online.
It's the magazines that we have to thank for making these stories freely available, then -- not the authors, although they certainly knew it would follow publication.
science fiction? (Score:3, Funny)
Never before has technology (the lingua franca of sci-fi) played such a role as it currently does, IMO. Meanwhile, the Sci-Fi Channel (could Jules Verne even have imagined such a thing in his wildest fantasies?) is among the fastest-growing cable channels on television, according to ratings.
I'm thinking, maybe this stuff isn't just for antisocial nerds any more. Perhaps science fiction finally matters.
It won't be long now before the Nebula awards are as popular, as talked about, as the Emmies or the Clios!
Any thoughts?
Re:science fiction? (Score:1)
Numbers do not correlate to sociability (Score:2)
That said, I enjoy science fiction, and I'm reasonably happy with my social life.
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Re:science fiction? (Score:2, Funny)
Of course, the Sci-Fi channel nowadays has about as much to do with SF as MTV has to do with music now.
Re:science fiction? (Score:4, Insightful)
Robert Heinlein wrote an editorial to John Campbell@Astounding/Analog to this effect circa 1956. It's pretty much been the staple belief of SF fans and writers everywhere, for as long as SF has been published -- with the publication of this series/book/etc, SF will be taken seriously. Next year, people will notice us.
Unfortunately, it hasn't happened, for reasons which probably say more about the people that DON'T take it seriously than it says about anything intrinsic to the genre. There is such an incredible canvas of ideas available to the SF writer, so many ways to interpret or define the human experience that simply are not available to the standard ho-hum fictioneer; I think the general publics ignorance of SF is one of the great tragedies of our age.
Well, maybe next year.
Then again, the fact that the SFWA gave tripe like "Crouching Tiger" a major award makes me a bit ashamed to think these things...
Rev. Neh
SF better than mainstream? (Score:2, Insightful)
When you compare this to the usual cut&paste stats in a genre book.. Ouch. Sometimes even genre/mainstream titles by the same writer show that. Try "The Crow road" by Iain M. Banks, you'd hardly believe it was written by the same person as those Culture books. I suppose you have to write a story around your people if you don't have utopia/dystopia/whatever to distract the reader.
There are some very nice SF titles I have read. Usually, but not always, the story could be rewritten in contemporary setting without too much difficulty. Okay, so the 7 samurais was a samurai movie which was inspired by westerns.. And the few good men (or something like that!) was inspired by the 7 samurais.. So you can take the story and stick it into another setting, nothing new in that!
In my opinion, SF setting is more likely to hurt a book rather than help it.
Re:SF better than mainstream? (Score:1)
the magnificent seven (the western) was a remake of the seven samurai, not the other way around.
Kurosawa did his share of retelling stories (he remade several shakespearean plays as stories about feudal japan), in this case it was his story that was the foundation of the westerns.
True, but... (Score:2)
Re:True, but... (Score:1)
It seems worth pointing out that Clint Eastwood's spaghetti westerns were inspired by Kurosawa's work. "A Fistful of Dollars" is a direct adaptation of "Yojimbo".
So, yes, Kurosawa was definitely influenced by earlier Hollywood westerns. But, in turns of trading influence, one could argue that he gave more than he got.
Re:SF better than mainstream? (Score:2)
The fact of the matter is that every genre has a mix of good and bad writing. The more popular the genre the lower that signal-to-noise ratio will be. This does not mean that a genre which is popular has fewer good authors, just that it will have more bad ones.
Science fiction has produced some phenominal authors who stand out in a crowd of authors from any genre. It has also produced it's share of popular purveyors of trash.
*snicker* you should try using someone else to gather your examples from. Try reading Ian Banks' "Feersum Endjinn" which is most assuredly science fiction, and IMHO, of the highest order (though some of the narative style is a little gimmicky, which you can get from the title itself). You are correct to some degree. The question is: can the author get his/her point across easier if the example of a certain technology is used, or the reader can detach from the core idea because of an alien culture (e.g. The Left Hand of Darkness)?Also at question is this: could the author have come up with the story otherwise, or was speculation key in the process of creating the story? It's a bit of a chicken and egg problem.
Re:SF better than mainstream? (Score:1)
While Crow Road is probably my favorite Banks novel, I'd like to poin out that Inversions is one of his SF works and the general characterization is of a very good quality. It's just not there in the Culture novels. Well, it is.. But it's the ships!!
Re:science fiction? (Score:3, Interesting)
Authors like Disch and Vonnegut managed to cross over quite successfully (and others tried and failed, e.g. PKD, although I quite like his 'mainstream' novels -- as if anything he wrote could ever be considered normal
(It's too early and pre-coffee in the morning for me to take these ideas any further, or back up any of my assertions, but I would at least try to if I weren't feeling this misanthropic at the moment. Sorry.
Re:science fiction? (Score:2)
I think that's one of the common threads of the better literature of the last century; the ur-Novel, incorporating threads from many of the great traditions (and that's all that most literary genres are these days, conventions and traditions). The author takes any event, person, mode of writing, etc. as just another tool in the toolbox... might sound a bit pomo but it's produced some great works
Re:science fiction? (Score:2)
Yes, and don't forget to thank the sexy stars of sci-fi like Jeri Rian, Jessica Alba, and even Traci Lords to help promote the genre.
Re: Fantasy? (Score:1)
Incidentally, I got a nice chuckle out of jbennetto making a snide comment about the "Romance" nature of the Best Novel winner, while ignoring the fact that Crouching Tiger is clearly a love story.
Re: Fantasy? (Score:2)
I think there is a pretty glaring difference between writing about love, which is a human emotion (rather, the human emotion), and writing in the "Romance" genre, which is, well, a genre. The two are not necessarily coincident, and I would argue that they are almost completely disjoint. :)
The Cure for Everything (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:The Cure for Everything (Score:2)
(but naturally one would make time for Haldeman's course, because it rocks.
Re:The Cure for Everything (Score:1)
Could you elaborate on the plot flaws, and what did Haldeman have to say about it?
Re:The Cure for Everything (Score:2, Insightful)
1. Maria could not work in the Amazon as pure albinos are extremely sensitive to sunlight. Skin cancer is the number 1 cause of death for albinos and it affects a majority of them.
2. (related to point 1) It is too convenient that Maria just happens run into the only man on the planet capable of having her child.
3. Maria lets the tribe be taken away too easily. As a result, her sudden urge to chase them down is jarring. From one sentence to the next she seems to change her mind.
4. Maria gets into the secret compund too easily. How did she know to bring wire cutters and there just happens to be an embankment that allows easy access to the building. Also there are no guards watching over the most valuable genetic stock ever encountered.
5. Why do Maria and The Cure almost immediatly have sex? It is especially strange since he regards her as some kind of demi-goddess.
6. Logistics of driving a jeep through the dense jungle for several hours without running out of fuel.
7. The tribe, which has been isolated in the jungle for thousands of years, speaks near-perfect Portuguese.
Overall the story suffered from too many instance of "it-just-so-happened-that" sydrome, in which the plot always supplies an easy path for the character to follow.
Re:The Cure for Everything (Score:2)
What more could a chain-smoking, Slashdot-reading, slightly left of Green, sex-starved geek monster movie fan need in a story?
Re:The Cure for Everything (Score:1)
(Poling's postulate of the Past: if you ever meet a person from the past, you'll think, "that barbarian" while s/he's thinking, "that flake.")
Re:The Cure for Everything... except poor writing. (Score:1)
In other awards... (Score:5, Funny)
judging a book by its cover (Score:1)
Call it a stupid prejudice but if ever there was cover art that would turn me away, Quantum Rose has it [sff.net].
When I'm looking at it, I'm thinking Nora Roberts [amazon.com] crossed Gone With the Wind and the Lord of the Rings?
My eyes!!! My eyes!!!
Re:judging a book by its cover (Score:1, Troll)
Jack Williamson (Score:4, Informative)
Amazon ratings vs Nebula Award committee (Score:1)
Drat... (Score:3, Interesting)
Anybody here read both of these books? If so, could you tell me what aspects of _A Quantum Rose_ really distinguished themselves and how it would compare to Martin's character-driven "realism"?
Thanks.
Re:Drat... (Score:1)
I love his Game of Thrones series
But isn't the Nebula normally for SF? (Score:1)
As far as the fact that the main characters have a shorter existence than those red-shirted Star Trek guys, I personally find it refreshing. Having said this, a friend were talking over lunch last week and were trying to figure out if anyone will still be left alive when Winter is supposed to arrive in later volumes.
Re:Drat... (Score:2)
Kintanon
Plug for next year (Score:1)
Declare - It's a shame they DQ'd my favorite... (Score:2)
Unfortuntely, Tim had had a limited edition of the book published in 2000 and was thus ruled ineligible by the SFWA [sfwa.org]. I know for a fact from a class I took from Tim in September that he had high hopes for the Nebula. It shows how much class he has that he accepted the decision graciously and stated that the rules were completely fair.
While all the nominees are great works, you really owe it to yourself to try to dig up a copy of Declare and read it for yourself.
"Quantum Rose" is a really cheesy title (Score:2)
Re:"Quantum Rose" is a really cheesy title (Score:5, Insightful)
And egads! That excerpt!
Ugh! Augh! This stuff won an award? It's so bad it makes me wince.
I couldn't have done worse if I had made a special effort to be cliche. Describing someone with a reflection? "Heart-shaped face?" And that "at the moment," as though intentionally placed to break rhythm. I hadn't realized the Nebula people were so tasteless.
ROFL (Score:2)
no wonder scifi has such bad rep in literature. What sucks is the good sci fi authors actually have to suffer for that.
Re:"Quantum Rose" is a really cheesy title (Score:2)
A large, red, vaguely cone-shaped lump of flesh?
I winced too. (Score:2)
George R.R. Martin is way better.
Danny.
Re:"Quantum Rose" is a really cheesy title (Score:1)
Nebula Winner George Alec Effinger Dead (Score:2)
Though Slashdot didn't feel a need to post the obituary, you can find my remembrance of him here: http://www.sfwa.org/news/effinger.htm [sfwa.org].
Re:Nebula Winner George Alec Effinger Dead (Score:1)
When Gravity Fails, and the other two from that series were some of my favorite s-f books, and I'd been looking forward to there eventually being more of them. Anyone here who's looking for literate, intelligent, often mordantly funny science fiction books to read would do well to look for his.
I don't guess I have anything to say about it except thanks for mentioning it here, I wouldn't have known otherwise, and now... now I can feel appropriately sad about it. Damn.
Really disappointing (Score:1)
In searching for the possible reason why Quantum Rose had done so well, I went back to the preliminary award ballot. On it was a book I very much enjoyed entitled Calculating God by Robert Sawyer. This book was better than anything that I read in the excerpts from the books in the finals.
I admit that I am very picky when it comes to what I read and like, but the excerpts were very disappointing. For example, the Crossing Mars excerpt had nothing in it which would make me want to read the book. The sentence structure was plain and the plot just didn't interest me at all from what was available. I can only imagine that something happens which requires the crew of the spaceship to end up exploring more of Mars than they intended, but none of that was evident in what was available.
I hope that next year's nominees give me a lot more to look forward to.
Re:hey now (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? (Score:2, Funny)
I was under the impression it wasn't really fantasy, but a telling of a chinese folk tale.
I suppose I could do a Paul Bunyan & Babe the Blue Ox with some nifty ninja moves as they descent upon Evil Harry Dread in his Shed of Doom and get at least a nomination...
Re:Cast Steve Irwin In The Next Star Wars Prequel (Score:2)