Back on TV: Max Headroom 309
infofreako writes: "
Everyone's favorite 80's construct, Max Headroom, has returned
thanks to the people at TechTV.
According to their website,
they will be rebroadcasting all 14
episodes starting this Friday! This series was doing ethics
themes based on designer babies, corporate controlled media, brain
scanning and more before some of us were capable of hitting record
on the old VCR. "
I thought that Max had been resurrected (Score:1)
Re:I thought that Max had been resurrected (Score:2)
What shapes would this young fellow like to meet/frag on screen instead of people? Trolls? Amphibious landing craft?
And how dare people dis innovations coming from my home town (no, I'm not on the payroll).
Personally, I think producing a 3D head model from two ordinary pictures is a neat trick. Meeting 'avatars' of friends on line is surreal but definitely entertaining. It'll catch on sooner or later, unlike a lot of crud from the last 2 years...
R-R-R-Rock! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:R-R-R-Rock! (Score:2, Interesting)
Tivo (Score:1)
I remember watching (and loving!) this show when I was younger, but I'm pretty sure that there was a lot (like social commentary) that went over my head at that age. Would be interesting to see what I think of it now that I'm older (and understand a bit more of it).
Would also be interesting to see how much of this has come true (always a good test of SciFi). Wouldn't the TV industry just love to make you keep your TV's on all the time?
Re:Tivo (Score:2)
Rich
not the original though! (Score:5, Interesting)
Bet that doesn't include the original Channel 4 series and the original TV movie with a much slimier Bryce. As always, US TV took a good idea and sanitised it for the masses.
(showing age). The 15 minute entertainment show - Max + videos (zoolookology anyone?) was much sharper than anything that came later.
"Oh to be in gay Paris, where only the river is Seine"
.02
cLive ;-)
Re:not the original though! (Score:2)
Even with the sanitization, Max Headroom was much more complicated and demanded more of the audience than anything else on TV.
Re:not the original though! (Score:2)
Re:not the original though! (Score:5, Interesting)
doing the on-screen graphics while at Video Image in 1986. I was one of
two or three people who did the graphics; me and another guy did the 3D,
and there was a mystery guy/gal who did the E.CARTER 'edison cam' overlay graphics.
I was more impressed with the original show ("Max Headroom: The Original Story,
Lorimar Homevideo), namely acting, directing, and casting. It seemed to really
have that filmic quality I don't think the series achieved. And I thought
the screen graphics in the original were better than what we did. For one
thing, they used
the original graphics which we used for reference. Excellent stuff. We also didn't
have input from the original directors, Rocky Morton and Annabel Jankel, who
I think had a lot to do with the look and feel of the original.
In the American version, we used a Cubicomp to do all of the 3D graphics
vector sequences, which was a pixel based system that could do anti-aliased
vector rendering. So we basically 'simulated' the look of vector, but didn't
fully achieve IMHO. We used 5 1/4" floppies to save our work, and worked
on PCs. I don't think we ever knew what system the original show was done
on. I assumed it was a custom vector system.. anyone know?
The original also used a great nixie-like fonts that caused me to write
a special font program and hand-massaged bitmapped fonts just to simulate
that look, which I think we used in the show, I can't recall.
We re-did many of the cg sequences from the original, including the
barrier arm, sweeps of the Network 23 building, etc. so that the overall look
was consistent with the new sequences we added, like the spinning crypto
graphic. (I think I may have encoded my initials into that sequence)
Remaking the old graphics was sad, because the original graphics were
done so well, and I didn't feel we were doing it justice. I lamented
to my boss, but he insisted we needed to keep a consistent look,
and I doggedly agreed, but still was disheartened (I was young).
I'm fairly sure the original is easily available for rent.
From what I know of Annabel Jankel and Rocky Morton, they were a british
husband/wife team that directed many weird and edgy commercials & music
videos. My favorites were the backlit graphics for the Chaz Jankel
music video "Questionnaire" (one of the first music videos I think I'd
ever seen that used animated graphics, circa 1981), the mixed media in a
Joni Mitchell video "Good Friends", which featured cut outs and xerography,
and the Donald Fagen video "New Frontier", among others.
Re:not the original though! (Score:2, Informative)
Ah, but you've got to be careful with the original UK pilot show when it comes to what was/wasn't computer graphics.
There were computer graphics in there, but there was also a lot of work by Rod Lord, who also did the "computer graphics" in the book sequences on the _Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy_ TV show (out on DVD in the US yesterday, for those who're interested) which weren't computer generated at all. They're generally the ones that look too good to be computer graphics :-)
Re:not the original though! (Score:2)
Re:not the original though! (Score:3, Interesting)
>> vector sequences [..]
>> I don't think we ever knew what system the original show was done
>> on. I assumed it was a custom vector system.. anyone know?
> [..] Hint - it wasn't done with computers...
Don't tell me it was backlit opticals.. no way!
The scenes I'm wondering about are the *3D* vector graphics scenes like the 'elevator sequence' with the vector wireframe of the Network 23 building, the bryce 'door code decryption' sequence which showed a rotating cube of letters, etc. I just can't see that stuff being backlit; trying to do 3D rotations with 2D animation is just too hard to draw, without it looking fake. I did the american show's graphics for the equivalent scenes, and studied those scenes quite hard; too fluid to be hand drawn.
However, shots like the vector graphics of 'exploding guy' in the original
And of course Max was always live action, of him in a suit, manipulated with video editing, and other 'tricks' including the rotating graphics matted into the background.
And the parrot we thought was a 2D paint program that was 'drawn' to look like 3D CG. Just a few frames were needed to do the "CG parrot". If anything was amiga, as the 'techtv' article mentions, I'm guessing this was. Possibly also the 'rotating grid' behind max could have been amiga as well. It aliases heavily, which helps sell the 'graphics look' of liveaction Max in the foreground. But if you look at the other sequences, such as the bryce code decryption, aliasing is not much of a component, typical of vector systems. If there is aliasing at all, I'm guessing it's because it's re-scanned off a color monitor (which can alias a little bit; remember those color vector video games aliased a little). This is all speculation regarding the Amigas. We on the american show actually knew little about how the original show's graphics were done. We didn't use any Amigas for the on-screen graphics in the american show, it was all PC hardware. Video Image specialized in presenting on screen graphics in sync with film cameras; we shot the PC graphics on film then transferred to video for on-the-set playbacks. VI modified their video hardware (decks and monitors) to run at 24x.
I should digress; I mentioned in the above 'backlit opticals'. An example of backlit would be a black piece of paper with a hole in the middle. Put that over an animation camera's light table (similar to the florescent light tables one uses to trace artwork or look at slides). The result is a bright dot. Put a colored filter over the dot, and you now have a bright
Apply the above principle to a more complex graphic, like a grid cut out of the paper, and you've got a *colorful glowing grid*, a very important graphic in those days.
Taking it a step further, you can get a bunch of 2D effects animators to animate some nice graphics on paper, using rapidographs (accurate ink pens that draw very straight, even lines) stencils, templates, splines (drawing splines, which are bendable plastic and metal, not the mathematical kind) which are black drawings on white paper, that can then be photographed onto kodaliths, basically large, clear black and white negatives, which you can then use in place of the above 'black paper' example, to get moving, glowing artwork that looks just like a computer, assuming the 2D animator did a good job on the original artwork.
This technique was common in the 70's and 80's for glowing logos, and on screen graphics, and could often convincingly look like computer graphics.
For instance, the 'grid bugs' scene in TRON used this technique, a short scene that
Rocky Morton and Annabel Jankel's "Cucumber Productions" demo reel, which we also used for reference/inspiration had a large amount of backlit graphics; really great stuff. I still have a VHS copy of their reel with the commercials and videos I mentioned at the top of this thread.
So I wouldn't be surprised if many of the graphics scenes were done 'traditionally' using the above techniques. But some of the vector scenes were obviously CG.. I'm wondering what equipment was used to do
So where's the link? (Score:2)
I'd really like to have the link, and I'd expect that many others would like that link too.
The Art of Max.. (Score:2)
Re:not the original though! (Score:3, Informative)
Here is the series list:
* The Channel 4 pilot. (later aired on Cinemax.)
* Max Headroom - This was a video music series run on Cinemax. It had intercut bits from the Channel 4 pilot for the first three episodes. Most of them had interviews with various music celebrities. There was a heavy emphasis on golf jokes. These were about 20 minutes each..I have about 10 of these. These include music videos I have not seen elesewhere. ("Rat on a Budget" and a couple of Max Headroom songs come to mind.)
* The Max Headroom Giant Christmas Turkey - Theis was a Max Headroom special that ran on Cinemax. VERY warped. (The only Christmas special that comes to mind with a children's choir singing about how Mary could not get an episiotomy in the manger.)
* The Max talking Headroom Show - This ran on Cinemax and was an hour interview show. It usually had three interviews and one commedian. I only have 2-3 of these. (The interview with William Shatner was pretty bizzare.)
* The ABC series - Ran for 14 episodes, only 13 where shown on ABC. (I have seen claims that episode 13 was not shown on ABC. I have a tape of it off of ABC. 12 & 13 were shown at real weird off times a couple of months later. Most people missed those, which is unfortunate as they were excelent.)
One of these days I need to complete my set of episodes. I am missing a bunch of the Cinemax stuff. I have yet to find a complete list of episodes for those early shows on the net. (Or why Cinemax stopped doing original programming.)
One of my favorite shows of all time. Now if they would just release all of it on DVD.
Blank Art
Re:not the original though! (Score:2)
The 80's are BACK! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The 80's are BACK! (Score:2)
I swear that new line of Pepsi ads has done nothing but tell us that not only do cola ads suck ass now, they continue a proud tradition of ass-suckage dating back at least 50 years...
Re:The 80's are BACK! (Score:4, Insightful)
Ronald Reagan IS president, or hadn't you noticed?
-Russ
Re:The 80's are BACK! (Score:2)
Re:The 80's are BACK! (Score:2)
If any movie fits the bill, They Live! is the precursor to the Matrix (awesome fight scenes killin' a heartless enemy who seeks to control all of humanity).
With any luck, Roddy will be in one of the up and coming installations of the Matrix. He could be one of the ones who can recognize agents because of his...sunglasses. Maybe he can show that dainty surfer dude (Keanu) how to beat up agents by continuously slamming their heads into cement.
Re:A propos 80s: LaserDisks to FireWire, anyone? (Score:4, Informative)
Laserdiscs are, believe it or not, analog. (The video is, anyway, there were a few incarnations of digital audio.) Worse than that, they're composite video, so you need to decide whether the comb filter in your capture device is better than the one in your LD player. (Decide this by testing with a good monitor. Dot crawl sucks.)
I have a pretty sizeable collection of Laserdiscs, and keep meaning to start converting these to DVDR. I have this bizarre hangup that I need to move the AC3 audio, and I haven't found any way to capture AC3 with a S/PDIF card. (Pointers appreciated!)
The reality is that I should ignore that, since anything I might have with AC3/DTS is recent enough that it's likely to be rereleased anyway.
Back to your question, spend as much money as you can bear on the capture device, (I have a Director's Cut [miglia.com], but would get a DA-MAX [promax.com] if I were doing this for money.) think about a proc-amp (might not be necessary) and go for it.
Best Episode... (Score:5, Interesting)
The best episode by far was #13: Lessons, about cracking down pirated video programming. Children were not allowed to learn because the educational television wasn't paid for, and schools were not free to the public.
SPOILERS AHOY....
The whole thing turns out to be a cover operation for an old fashioned printing press operation, to print real books for kids to read.
It's very 80's of Max to focus so much on how much television will change our society. Sign of the times.. The world could use a lot more freelance journalists like Edison Carter...
Re:Best Episode... (Score:2)
Re:Best Episode... (Score:2)
Unfortunately, not even he could save the second Lawnmower Man movie...
Re:Best Episode... (Score:3, Funny)
Wow, can't wait to download it...
Why I love my Tivo.... (Score:2, Offtopic)
Even had
BTW, since chrisd didn't spoil it, I will - Edison doesn't die....
Wow (Score:2)
Illuminatus! (Score:2)
tech TV? (Score:2, Informative)
Re: (Score:2)
TechTV has a number of good shows (Score:3, Interesting)
Fresh Gear - gadgets galore... if you read /. you would probably like this show
Audiofile - where tech meets music... everything from mp3s to music creation gear to the tech behind making acoutic guitars
Extended Play - the only weekly program I know of that covers video/PC gaming (tho I'd imagine the channel G4 is offering quite a bit... wish I had that channel :)
The Tech Of... - they pick a topic (rollercoasters, race cars, etc) and well, talk about the tech of it :P
Yes, The Screen Savers plays a million times a day... but once you have a TiVo it doesn't matter what's on "right now" anyway! Buy a TiVo and then you can enjoy the "better programs" that apparently don't air whenever you happen to be channel surfing. :)
Re:tech TV? (Score:3, Informative)
contrary to the parent post all of these shows run more or less daily rather then 'every once and (uhhh try in here pal) a while'. There's plenty of substance on the channel, more so than most, and it's almost definitely my personal favorite channel.
I should mention that the show the the parent implicity derides (The Screen Savers) is a catch all tech show with a definite pro linux slant that's well worth watching.
Tech TV is improving, slowly (Score:2)
I don't imagine too many
That having been said, they do have an excellent show on in the evenings entitled "Big Thinkers," which last night featured an industrialist working on developing nano-technology, and a night or two ago had Lawrence Laessig on discussing the debacle that is current copyright law. That, and the airing of max headroom, will mean I'll end up watching techtv more than any other channel
In short, it looks like they may have realized how out of touch they are with the tech savvy crowd, and are doing something constructive about it, "Screen Savers" notwithstanding.
Re:tech TV? (Score:3, Insightful)
Enough ranting...still wishing
Re:tech TV? (Score:2)
Behind the times, old hat, not enough this, not enought that, wheres the detail, too much detail, where were the penguins!
Thats why. Who wants to set themselves up for that when people are ever more grateful for sprts and pr0n?
Best Headroom episode was "New Color" (Score:2, Funny)
Then one day I found out that they really have found a new color! Hrm, I can't seem to find the link though, anyone have it? You can even buy T-shirts in the new colour
Websurfing done right! StumbleUpon [stumbleupon.com]
Re:Bleen (Score:2)
There was even a plugin for your browser to allow it to approximate the appearance of Squant.
Re:Bleen (Score:2)
TechTV is owned by Paul Allen (Score:2, Informative)
TechTV is owned by Vulcan Inc., the Bellevue, Washington-based investment organization of Microsoft co-founder Paul G. Allen.
Hmmm... is TechTV objective? Do they also have Apple and Open Source programming? I really don't know. Otherwise this scares me.
Carl
Re:TechTV is owned by Paul Allen (Score:2)
Note carefully: TechTV is owned by Vulcan, not by Microsoft or any of its subsidiaries. Vulcan is basically Paul Allen's sandbox. They do some amazing things. I don't know if it's complete or in progress or abandoned or what, but at one point they were working on a HDTV video-on-demand system for Allen's estate. Storing uncompressed HD and distributing it as 19 Mbit MPEG-2 via DVB-ASI throughout the facility. Amazing.
So yeah, I'd say if it's owned by Vulcan, it's about as objective as any media outlet could reasonably be expected to be.
Re:TechTV is owned by Paul Allen (Score:3, Interesting)
Paul Allen seems to have a rather wide interest in technology (and business). This dated article [businessweek.com] from 1997 may or may not be too accurate now (it mentions him being the 2nd largest holder of Microsoft stock - its often quoted he has a 9% share, so I'm not sure how that works out). But the article does provide an idea of how diversified Allen's interests are.
It depends on the show and the staff. Chris Pirillo [pirillo.com] of Lockergnome [lockergnome.com] fame hosts the TechTV show Call for Help [pirillo.com] and seems very pro-Microsoft/Windows. Though to be fair, I don't watch his show.
The Screen Savers [techtv.com] also feature a lot of Microsoft bits. But they throw a lot of other bits in there too. They did a week of shows mostly dedicated to Linux. They do "alteratips" which are tips for mostly MacOS X and Linux (although, like the Windows tips, they're pretty light-weight). They do on-air help calls for Linux and Mac issues on occasion. The show hosts occasionally grumble about Microsoft and its faults (technical and political/marketing). Tux appears in the background often. OSX's strengths are lauded. Linux is often portrayed as an OS people already enjoy, and the viewer might like to try out too. And for their daily tech news, they often quote articles from Slashdot.
Of course, that's not to say all of TechTV is as enlightned. Sometimes TechTV Live and Cyber Crime have articles with viewpoints and/or quotes that make me cringe.
In all, Paul Allen seems to have a fairly wide focus despite his involvement in Microsoft. And TechTV seems to harbor an environment that allows a reflection of a wide degree of the IT industry.
Re:TechTV is owned by Paul Allen (Score:2)
Re:TechTV is owned by Paul Allen (Score:2)
I believe that Dreamworks recently turned over to all Linux in designing of stuff. It sure seems that they didn't want MS anything.
Re:TechTV is owned by Paul Allen (Score:2)
Bull! (Score:2, Funny)
April Fools happens at the beginning of April, not the end.
Don't forget (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Don't forget (Score:2)
Amanda Pays, she was pretty hot.
LOL. This comment was moderated up as insightful.
Re:Don't forget (Score:2)
KFG
Hit by a toll both lever arm thing (Score:2, Funny)
Watch out Delhi here comes Moordaeh Xam! Bollywood should make a movie about that.
The Quote on the Barrier Arm (Score:2)
MAX. HEAD ROOM 2.3M
That's how, in the American series at least, Max got his name: it was the last thing Edison saw before being walloped into unconsciousness and having his brain scanned. When his braindump came online, it was the first thing it tried saying, and it stuck as a name.
The cyber-battle leading up to that was also loads of fun to watch, but I won't spoil how it happens; it's well worth a chuckle.
What a trivia geek I am too, but in this case I don't see that as a bad thing.
Pirate TV (Score:3, Interesting)
Google Cache with more information [216.239.39.100]
Slightly less, but more direct information [victorianweb.org]
To summarize, it involved a Max Headroom mask, a bare ass and a fly swatter, while Dr. Who was supposed to be playing.
Re:Pirate TV (Score:3, Informative)
It's amazing how much of the series made in '85 ended up becoming so true later.
Re:Pirate TV (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Pirate TV (Score:2)
Anyone know which font they used? It looked like something out of AtuoCAD. Either way, I wish I could come up with some interactive website like in that same vein in SVG.
Re:Pirate TV (Score:2)
That sounded great until you mentioned Dr Who geting preempted for it. I'm really sensitive to that now because of Futurama.
Tv networks have some strange ideas about what classifies as 'a good show'.
DVD, please. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:DVD, please. (Score:3, Informative)
Look here... [weirdal.com]
I dunno about blipverts... (Score:2)
I wish I got Tech TV out here
But is it on TechTV Canada? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:But is it on TechTV Canada? (Score:2)
VCR?? (Score:2, Funny)
VCR??? What the hell is that? I was recording those babies on my parents BetaMAX.
Re:VCR?? (Score:2)
Shockingly enough, your BetaMAX was also considered a Video Cassette Recorder. Seeing as it Recorded Video onto Cassettes and all...
Mascot ? (Score:5, Insightful)
The previous virtual mascot for the channel, Tilde, was female (appealing enough to the first niche gamer-type market ZDTV was shooting for), but she was not good enough. They used on-the-fly 3D graphics based on VR-suit-like encoding, so the movements of the character were not fluid or terribly near accurate.
If Matt Frewer [imdb.com] could record new vocals, I don't think anyone would object to a purely-digital Max Headroom. Digital!? But, what about..um..the original..was..good..um..ah.. Oh yeah..they just didn't have the technology to do it in 1985, you know.. psst.. they used a latex mask--it wasn't digital!. Also, surely Mr. Frewer is not doing terribly much since Honey, I Shrunk the Kids [imdb.com] and Lawnmower Man 2 [imdb.com], so he can probably use the money (that is, if a short revival of the original series doesn't load his pockets with royalties).
Oh, and don't watch Lawnmower Man 2...for the love of all that's Holy! Don't watch it!
ROCK ON! (Score:2)
But this time around, I've got TiVo. I'll save and savor every episode. This completely rocks. (Can you believe I kind of idolized Bryce Lynch when I worked at an ISP? Scary thought.)
This'll go absolutely perfect for the videos to play in my arcade gameroom. Max rocks. He's the perfect consumer whore!
Has anybody noticed... (Score:2, Funny)
Biggest Max fan doesn't know? (Score:2, Informative)
Anyone know is email address?
Oh, wait.. Maybe he's still answering the webmaster [mailto] address.. That appears to be [216.239.51.100] (google) the email address he's been using on the site (according to a quick search [google.com]).
Just leave my Coca cola alone this time, got it? (Score:2)
Classic Coke is acceptable, but it's still not the real coke of the past when it was still made with sugar rather than frutcose and sucrose syrups.
Buy it around Passover (Score:2)
No corn syrup. Cane sugar.
Re:Just leave my Coca cola alone this time, got it (Score:2)
Gimme that remote (Score:2, Funny)
Ahem. Speak for yourself. I was the only person in my family who could Program the VCR. I was 4 years old. My dad still hasn't figured it out.
Triv
Max Headroom world is closer than you think... (Score:4, Insightful)
I can't provide a link to this one, but a certain religious radio station gave away three radios as a promotion in a very low-income area - radios that were locked into the station's frequency, with no way to change it.
An ATM tried to show me a commercial for something today.
Does it seem to anybody else that we're in a handbasket going you know where?
Re:Max Headroom world is closer than you think... (Score:2)
Gas pumps have been doing that (with sound now, not just the scrolling "come in for a cup of coffee" display), so maybe the ATMs felt left behind. ;-)
Does it seem to anybody else that we're in a handbasket going you know where?
As it relates to commercialization, I think we were in the handbasket through much of the 20th Century, and now we've already arrived. Or at least we're in free-fall with not much time left. Taking the example of my "favorite peeve" of commercial entertainment, when was it that people starting thinking that entertainment can only be good if it has a well-recognized logo?
Re:Max Headroom world is closer than you think... (Score:2)
Along with our new marriage license, which cost us $45 (damn the man!!), we were given free samples of Tide, Bounty napkins, Secret deoderant, Folger's coffee, an ad for custom checks, and an AOL cd (1000 hours free!).
From the Tide sampler:
Jesus holy mary mother of god.. I simply cannot escape advertising!! AHHH!!!
Re:Max Headroom world is closer than you think... (Score:2)
I feel your pain... I'm waiting for the day I can buy a pair a augmented reality glasses that I can wear to tune out "banners" in real life. I can hardly wait to overlay every fuck'n ad with the ACME brand + whitespace. :)
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Re:Max Headroom world is closer than you think... (Score:2)
The hospitals have the same kind of racket going with the diaper and formula people.
Re:Max Headroom world is closer than you think... (Score:2)
did it also charge you 1.50 for the privelige?
I was at a gas station when the where installing new pumps that play commercials why you pumped. The guy asked me what I thought. I said, "if your going to make me watch these, then you had better lower your price, or I won't come here anymore."
He was stunned. He could not believe that someone would not want to watch commercials, and that they wouldn't pay extra for the privilage!
now if he was playing exclusive trailors, then maybe I'd chose his place over another one where the gas was the same price, but thats it.
But what about... (Score:2)
Now where did I park the Delorean? (Score:3, Funny)
Max Headroom: an awesome Halloween costume (Score:2)
Anyone one year for Halloween, my sister WAS Max! My father and aunt helped her turn a big cardboard box into a wearable TV set, with holes in the sides (arms), bottom (legs), and front (so it looked like she was a head inside the TV looking out). We even got wood-colored wallpaper so it looked more like a TV (remember it was the 80s, and lots of TVs were still built like furniture, with wood siding).
Definitely a cool costume.
My Max Headroom (Score:3, Funny)
When I was a very young geek lad, I had a TRS-80 color computer. After watching Max Headroom, I decided that I wanted my own max headroom. So, I layed awake in bed one night, excited about the prospect that there could be a slight chance that I could build a max headroom with my TRS-80.
The next morning, I tried. It was my first programming experience. It went something like:
10 say "hello, I am max headroom"
I couldn't figure out what "syntax error" meant, and my dreams of my own Max Headroom faded into the past.
Re:My Max Headroom (Score:3, Funny)
]10 ? "Hi I am Max Headroom. What is your name?" A$
]20 Print "Hello, " A$ "Do you like Automan too?"
]30 Goto 10
I was a terrible geek in the most pathetic way. And I don't even know if I'm quote basic properly anymore (I had a
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Re:My Max Headroom (Score:2)
Re:My Max Headroom (Score:2)
Re:Ananova (Score:3, Funny)
Oh, and by the way, Star Trek (the orig, with Kirk) didn't have a computer generated starship either.
Re:Ananova (Score:3, Informative)
In some of the fly-bys, notably the opening credits, you can see people moving inside the Briefing Room. This was done with a green window where the briefing room window was, then stock footage of people walking around was shrunk and matted into the scene.
Re:Ananova (Score:2)
The only way you can tell the difference nowadays is by taking a good look at the motion of the objects. The motion of cgi models is freer, a little more calculated and perfect than plastic-and-glue models.
Re:Ananova (Score:5, Informative)
Are you serious? If you are, you obviously have absolutely no grasp of how 3D modeling works.
Rendering something like the Titanic is easy. (Not easy in the sense that anyone with a copy of 3D Studio MAX can do it, but easy in the sense that it's just a ship.)
When you create something in 3D like the Titanic, it's based on specifications that do not change. Lighting is constant, shapes stay the same, and moving parts are minimum.
Compare that to attempting to duplicate a person, detailed, in 3D. People are tremendously harder to do than objects, because people automatically scrutinize other people. That's why when you look at a movie like Final Fantasy, you can say "Wow, they sure are realistic, but there's just *something* not right."
With a person, you have to deal with mouth movement (a very difficult thing to model in 3D), eye movement, muscle expansion and contraction based on movement, bending limbs and joints, breating, and a whole host of other factors. Then when you get into voice synthesis (which is still not perfect, but AT&T is making leaps and bounds [naturalvoices.com].), and physics modelling on things such as cloth and water... It's all very hard.
So between rendering something like a ship moving through the water, or creating a realistic person in 3D, the ship is a lot easier to do. It may be painstaking in detail to create, but it's still just basic shapes.)
Re:Ananova (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Remember the Pepsi commercials? (Score:2)
Re:Remember the Pepsi commercials? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Remember the Pepsi commercials? (Score:2)
No, the show itself was 1) very expensive to produce, and 2) really stretched the authors to the point of burn out.
The Prisoner was the same way. There were only 17 episodes of the Prisoner because they simply ran out of other things to do that wouldn't be repeating what they'd already done to some degree or another.
Re:Suckage (Score:3, Troll)
If all you were watching for was the animation sequences or the action scenes, then I guess this comment is dead-on. Of course, if all you were watching for was the animation sequences or the actions scenes, then you seriously missed the point! Max Headroom was about computer animation the way that Star Wars is about space flight; that is, just as a hook. The key to Max, the whole essence of the show, was its cynical-yet-so-true jaded view of Big Media and the world we were rapidly approaching, wherein the sheep of the world abdicate their power to the TV... Hmmm. A lot like this world, actually.
Max Headroom might have been "twenty minutes into the future" but it was also twenty years ahead of its time.
Re:The original was better (Score:3, Funny)
Re:wow (Score:3, Informative)
Where do you live?
In the western hemisphere, try Satcom C4, transponder 12, or the various DSS providers.
In asia, try AsiaSat3S [listed as encrypted
Elsewhere, I don't know -- sorry. Since TechTV seems to be (generally) a FTA channel, you might get lucky if you check your local DVB listings...
Re:Ah, those were the days. (Score:2)
You could be seeing a talking coca-cola vending machine.
Don't forget your change!
Re:Blipverts (Score:3, Funny)
Yes. I am sad, thank you very much...
Re:Blipverts (Score:2)
and Frewer's next project? (Score:2)
.... wait for it...
Ishtar [imdb.com]! , which scored 3.6/10 on imdb. Major suckage.
- j