Review: Men In Black II 458
The story line is almost irrelevant. Will Smith (Agent Jay) has to neuralize one dumb partner after another, and ends up with a smart-mouthed, sometimes hilarious pug for a partner. He pines for his former sidekick Tommy Lee Jones (Agent Kay), now neuralized and working for the institution with the greatest number of aliens, the U.S. Post Office. (The movie, like the first, gets off some great double entendres and inside jokes).
The movie opens with a campy Peter Graves spoof on the Ed Woods' style sci-fi movies of the 50's and 60's. Simply, Lara Flynn Boyle plays Serleena, the powerful alien queen ravaging earth to get her hands on a distant planet's light source. If she isn't stopped, the world will be destroyed, of course. Her prescence forces the MIB agency (headed by Sid, played by Rip Torn) to go and de-neuralize Kay, who comes back to re-join his buddy and save the world.
This is all beside the point, of course. The whole film is a device for Sonnenfeld's loopy rags on Martha Stewart (not perhaps as funny as it would have been a month ago) and Michael Jackson. There are hilarious locker room and worm aliens, and blessedly, the movie never takes itself seriously for a single second. Like the better parts of the Scream series, the movie ends up spoofing itself and the people who loved it.
If you go see it, all you need to know is that the surprise originality of the first is missing, mostly because we know what to expect, but the loopy and inventive spirit of MIB is very much alive.
CmdrTaco my 2 bits is that this movie was bland. It probably is my least favorite of the last half dozen movies I've seen. I loved the original, but this just doesn't have the punch of the first. Its got its moments, but the whole ride is weak. Watch Lilo & Stich instead ;)
Best line (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Best line (Score:3, Insightful)
For those wondering "WTF?," Take a look here [southparkstudios.com]. On the seventh line, there's a link to an image of a ballchin boy..
More sequels? (Score:5, Insightful)
It has also lost some of the originality. What happened to new movies with original screenplays?
Re:More sequels? (Score:5, Funny)
I mean, we've *seen* hobbits and elves and wizards, where are the *original* ideas?
Re:More sequels? (Score:5, Funny)
Lilo and Stitch all the way! (Score:5, Interesting)
Speaking of which...why hasn't there been a slashdot review of Lilo and Stitch?
Lets review the kiddie toons (Score:4, Funny)
It's in the queue behind "Pokemon II", "The Care Bears Movie", and "The Land Before Time IV"
Re:Lets review the kiddie toons (Score:2)
Re:Lilo and Stitch all the way! (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Lilo and Stitch all the way! (Score:2, Funny)
All of the other parents marched out of the theater with me to get the manager. Within 20 minutes we were watching the correct film (which was pretty good).
I never thought I'd see the day where I would be very upset about seeing a Star Wars movie instead of a Disney one (and given 2 free movie tickets for being "inconvenienced" to boot)!
Chris
Re:Lilo and Stitch all the way! (Score:2)
Re:Lilo and Stitch all the way! (Score:2)
Re:Lilo and Stitch all the way! (Score:2, Funny)
Why 'Pre-GRUB and Stitch' hasn't been reviewed (Score:2)
Speaking of which...why hasn't there been a slashdot review of Lilo and Stitch?
Three reasons.
For one thing, "Lilo" is taken [pineight.com]. Not only is it the name of the old Linux bootloader (before distributions started using GRUB instead), but wasn't "Leeloo" (probably the same underlying name as "Lilo") a character in The Fifth Element, played by Ms. Jovovich?
For another thing, Lilo and Stitch is released under the Disney label. The Walt Disney Company (parent of Disney, Touchstone, and Miramax) was the biggest corporate sponsor of the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act [pineight.com] and one of the biggest proponents of the DMCA's circumvention ban (among movie studios, only Time Warner [aoltimewarner.com] gave the U.S. Congress more money in 1998 [opensecrets.org]).
Finally, because you haven't submitted [slashdot.org] your review for consideration by the Slashdot editors.
Re:Lilo and Stitch all the way! (Score:2)
Most readers here have received their elementary school degrees.
Not that it's always obvious from the level of discourse on
Re:Lilo and Stitch all the way! (Score:2, Insightful)
I LOVED the Emperor's New Groove. It was funny and fun to watch. It has a moral, but it doesn't beat you over the head with it the way, say, The Lion King does. While I have yet to see Lilo and Stitch, I plan to ASAP. It too looks to be a lot of fun.
Re:Lilo and Stitch all the way! (Score:2, Interesting)
- Justin
Re:Lilo and Stitch all the way! (Score:2)
So, in the spirit of things, imagine this in a Kronk voice:
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"Yeah, she's like that with everyone
Re:Lilo and Stitch all the way! (Score:2)
Re:Lilo and Stitch all the way! (Score:2)
We're doomed Chucky, doomed I tells ya!
Re:Lilo and Stitch all the way! (Score:2)
> why hasn't there been a slashdot review of Lilo and Stitch?
Because a lot of us are adults and/or prefer adult-oriented humor (not porn, but some post-grade school wit is always appreciated).
Yeah, and some of us are adults who SEE THE FREAKIN' MOVIE before assuming its got no adult-grade wit and humour (or read reviews to see if it does, hence the original question).
I saw the movie, its pretty damn funny, with lots of grown-up laughs that the kiddies did not get (and plenty of zany antics so the toddlers will laugh their heads off).
Sheesh, you sound like my dad: "Cartoons are for kids, don't watch cartoons!"
lol (after 2 seconds) (Score:2)
ChubChubs!! (Score:4, Funny)
I believe I laughed more for those few minutes then I have at many full length movies.
I don't want to start too many spoilers on a root thread, so instead of listing the appearances, I'll just ask. Who all did people notice that they think may have been missed. I'll look for them next time.
Um... (Score:5, Informative)
"Sid"?? I'm pretty sure (and now positive after an IMDB check) that it's "Zed".
However, I will agree that the movie wasn't like the first, and for some reason, most of the CGI SFX seems poorly meshed with the rest of the visuals (for example, the two-headed alien). And TLJones didn't have the same deadpan that his character really needed (compared with the first). I will say, however, that getting Patrick Warburton (star of "The Tick") to play Agent T was a good choice and provided some good opening laughs.
Re:Um... (Score:2)
Got to agree with CmdrTaco on this one. (Score:5, Insightful)
Go watch Minority report if you havent. And the lilo and stich cartoon =)
Re:Got to agree with CmdrTaco on this one. (Score:2)
Re:Got to agree with CmdrTaco on this one. (Score:2)
- Robin
How to spot potentially bad flick... (Score:2)
Chances are, what you saw in the trailers was IT.
MIIB definitely fits that pattern.
Re:Got to agree with CmdrTaco on this one. (Score:2, Funny)
Useful information (Score:3, Interesting)
The Internet Movie Database entry can be found here [imdb.com], and a couple of other reviews here [salon.com] and here [urbancinefile.com.au].
Unfortunately it's not out in the UK until August [guardian.co.uk].
Where are all the fanboys (Score:2, Funny)
I mean that was the only reason to see this sequel...
Runestar
The boss's name (Score:4, Informative)
The Boss's name is ZED , not Sid. That's zed as in the last letter of the alphabet in all English-speaking nations except the U.S., where, for some unkonwn reason, we call it zee
Re:The boss's name (Score:4, Funny)
Re:The boss's name (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The boss's name (Score:2, Funny)
I pronounce it zee because my preschool teacher told me to, I wasn't about to tell her she was wrong. Teachers were authority figures back then ya know.
Re:The boss's name (Score:2, Funny)
U SPELLIN': BAD
This is odd... (Score:3, Funny)
Theme song (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Theme song (Score:2, Interesting)
Not me (Score:2)
Re:Theme song (Score:2)
I don't know if it's just me but I love classical music composed for movie themes (also see Gladiator soundtrack).
I should have listened to the theme song (Score:3, Funny)
Hmm (Score:3, Interesting)
I got the idea in the first one that they didn't work for the government and were autonomous because it asked too many questions. Either way, anyone else find it funny how CmdrTaco simple 3 line review completely contrasts and pretty much cuts down JonKatz's review? Of course the question is which one will
Re:Hmm (Score:3, Funny)
Of course the question is which one will /.ers puts more credence in?
Az with eevry othr /. storie,
hoovre speeled theres' th beste.
Re:Hmm (Score:2)
Oh those sequels (Score:3, Interesting)
Nonetheless I was surprised when a sequel to MIB was announced (I didn't feel it needed one, but you know how Hollywood is..if the 1st made even a smidgen of money, sequel it!) and even more so that it didn't pick up where the last one left off (with Linda F. has Will's new partner).
So, I go see the film with reservations, and I was pleasantly surprised.
Sure, the film takes itself even less seriously than the last one, but it does expand more on the aliens and esp. the worm guys. It's funny, without degenerating into slapstick or schlock.
I think what helped that was having the same director for both.
In any case it's *certainly* better than other current sci-fi offerings currently playing at the theatres.
Re:Oh those sequels (Score:2)
1. I don't think I would even call this sci-fi
2. Minority Report
Re:Oh those sequels (Score:2)
Yeah....I was supprised to. I was expecting a prequel.
It's worthwhile. (Score:2)
It's dumb, it's action and silly comedy. I'm prepared to deal with that. Hell, I'm even looking forward to that. Nothing beats seeing summer popcorn movies at the theatre on a Saturday afternoon.
Missing the point of MIB (Score:4, Interesting)
MIB movies are not really about the plot. They are about mind expansion. About reading between the lines. And about perspective. That our perception is marred by the flaws of our memory, and our wishful thinking, and our emotional pain.
That your world view is just one of many, and pointedly, that thats OK.
Sequels S*** (Score:3, Insightful)
Point B: With the possible exceptions of The Godfather Part II, Aliens, Superman II and Raquel Darrian's boob job...*all* sequels s***.
Point A + Point B = MIIB S***s!
Chris
Re:Sequels S*** (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Sequels S*** (Score:3, Interesting)
PPA, the girl next door.
Re:Sequels S*** (Score:2)
terminator 2 was a far superior movie to terminator 1. hands-down.
Re:Sequels S*** (Score:2)
Apparently the story is set after T2's time, but following the timeline as if the machines -had- come to power.
Interesting how the entire story of Terminator is based on a time-travel paradox (terminiator is built on technology which was obtained by studying a chip that came back in time - the chip from such a machine that was made possible by studying the chip itself)
Credibility... (Score:2)
Re:Sequels S*** (Score:2)
The Godfather part II is the only sequel to ever win a...whichever award it is they give out to movies. Can you tell I haven't been into mainstream movies for a while?
Original ending? (Score:2, Insightful)
According to IMDB [imdb.com]:
The original ending of the film included a scene in which the World Trade Center towers opened up, releasing a swarm of UFOs into the air. Following the towers' destruction the ending was re-shot and now takes place at the Chrysler Building.
No it doesn't. Anyone know what the story is with this? Did the script or storyboard for this scene ever leak?
Short? (Score:2)
Re:Short? (Score:2)
Re:Short? (Score:2)
Preshow cartoon (Score:2)
I also enjoyed the Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers trailer as well. However, I thought it would have been cooler to leave Gandalf out so those that don't know the story would still think he was dead. Can you imagine the sound of suprize in the theater when he popped up again?
Agent names (Score:2)
Re:Agent names (Score:2)
Re:European Z (Score:2)
Re:European Z (Score:2)
Just consider it a subtle way of expressing that Europeans are somehow more sophisticated than your average American white-trash.
What's that cliche? Immitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
delayed lucidity (Score:3, Troll)
I mean, Episode I, despite Jar Jar, I was really exited and into it, because my 6 year old son was. But later, thinking about it, I couldn't find any really redeeming qualities to it except maybe a little satisfaction at knowing some of the earlier history of Star Wars.
Same with Episode II. Damn, nearly every movie I've seen in the theaters for the past 2-3 years, except maybe Being John Malkovich.
That said; having seen MIIB yesterday - it sucked. It sucked really bad. I want my money back. I want my two hours back. Seems the only way Will Smith can get people to listen to his RAP anymore is to get in a movie and virally infect the soundtrack with it. The ONLY worthwhile bit was when he says his car originally had a black driver, but he kept getting pulled over. And I saw that in the trailer.
And I'm not going to see Minority Report, because I'm boycotting the Church of Scientology.
Depressingly, the next movie I'm looking forward to is LOTR II. At least I got to see the trailer. But even more, I'm looking forward to LOTR I's DVD with the extra hour of footage.
Fuck this. Movies suck, work sucks, I'm the only person in the office - screw it I'm going to the beach.
Re:delayed lucidity (Score:2)
Re:delayed lucidity (Score:2)
Funny, I had the exact opposite reaction to The Matrix. I walked out of the theatre feeling somewhat 'blah', but after having some time to digest it, and seeing it a bunch of times on TV, I did a 180 and loved the movie. Maybe it was the fact that at first I was turned off by the silliness of the idea that we're used as batteries ('CPU' power would've been so much better), but once I got past that, the movie really rocked.
Big friggin plot holes (Score:3, Insightful)
We have an orginization that is in control of the worlds aliens and does all check ins yet has no backup plan for a rogue alien in the terminal?
After agent K get's deneralized, and I mean as he gets out of the chair, he is talking about how he can't remember what they are looking for becuase he neralized himself to make him forget where he put it or what it was. Um what about the deneralizer you just used to get your memory back?
I am not one to bitch about a movie using suspension of disbelief to get a point across. As I have told people before I am paying $8 to see fantasy, if I wanted to see real life I would go stand on the street corner for two hours. Their is a limit of course and I feel that this movie did not do enough to try and cover for that. Something as simple as having his memory coming back over years durring the course of the movie would have worked. With him hitting the relevant information at the right moment. Could have had some great jokes embedded in it, like having him bitch that agent X neuralized him after cheating at poker for example. The lack of thinking in the writing gives the movie the feel that it is a quick cash in for a buck and that is it.
Where's the love? (Score:2)
Katz gets it wrong...again (Score:2)
they fund themselfs through patenting alien technology, then licesing it.
"I'll have to buy the White album again"
MIB is a governemt agency (Score:2)
Re:MIB is a governemt agency (Score:2)
No, the 'division six' thing is a running joke. They'll pick a gov't agency appropriate to their current 'cover' story, and claim to be from 'Division Six' of that agency.
Sorry to ask, but why review this movie? (Score:2)
Re:Sorry to ask, but why review this movie? (Score:2)
Also, you can filter out Katz's stories.
Re:Sorry to ask, but why review this movie? (Score:2)
Hi Jon, er, Mr Coward.
Sorry, not on Slashdot. Seriously, the vast majority of comments to his stories are ripping them apart. Because it is easy to rip apart his stories? YES. They often are of no opinion on anything, state nothing clearly, and are simply globs of catch phrases of the day strung together with poorly researched "facts". Go back and read the articles he has posted, and read the top moderated comments on them. And a lot of people don't comment on his stories because they have them blocked in their preferences. I haven't blocked them because reading his stories are a great way to learn how NOT to write.
I am soo tired (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I am soo tired (Score:2)
That's fine for people with lots of money to burn and very little to burn it with. Those of us with families and better things to do don't really like to spend $50 (after multiple tickets, popcorn, babysitter, etc.) for a mediocre movie. I certainly wouldn't ever pay to go see something I thought was going to suck.
You want people to stop whining about how bad movies are? Then the movie industry should do two things: (1) charge less for movies and (2) stop crowing about how every weekend there's a new 9-figure box office record for receipts.
Lilo and Stich? (Score:2, Funny)
It's fun watching you all miss the point... (Score:4, Insightful)
So far, I've read a lot of comments like 'unoriginal' or 'repackaged' or 'sucked' or whatever.
Blah blah blah.
You guys are kinda missing the point to watching a movie. The idea isn't to get exposed to some killer plot, the idea is to have fun. That means: Don't take it too seriously. MiiB is not part 2 of an epic trilogy. It's a comedy, it's meant to entertain for about 90 minutes or so. And it does do that. But, if you sit there being all critical about it the whole time, you're ruining it for yourself. Blame the movie if you want, but remember that's your $7.50 you're burning up.
The first problem I see is that it's being horribly overanalyzed. One guy went on to say "they shouldn't have written out the chick at the end of MiB, bad bad bad.". Err okay. So you didn't like the movie because it didn't extend the first one by 90 minutes.
Another guy went on to say '...another Wil Smith pop-corn action movie.' Can you say 'oversimplified'? Put it like that, and anything can sound stupid. 'Slashdot is like another Wil Smith pop-corn action movie'. See my point?
You can't possibly enjoy a movie if you sit there and pretend you can make it better. (you can't. All you can do is 'fix' the problems you see with it.) Instead, just sit down, watch it, have fun. MiiB is meant to be silly. It's not meant to be epic, it's meant to be fun. Smile.
If it's not your type of movie, don't go see it. Don't bug us about it either. We clear?
Anyone else get a CGI short at showing? (Score:3, Informative)
It's interesting to note that Warner Bros. has confirmed they are making a large (more than 6) number of shorts destined for leadins to big screen movies using the standard Looney Toons characters (eg Bugs, Daffy, etc). Along with Pixar's bits and this ImageWorks thing, there appears to be trend towards this in the movie industry. Of course, there's tons more ads and movie previews of late (for PPG today, for example, I had at least 15 min of both), so this might not last long if it takes away too many screenings from theaters.
Re:Anyone else get a CGI short at showing? (Score:3, Informative)
40 years ago, WB (and other) cartoons were standard lead-ins to feature shows. Previews of coming attractions used to come at the end of the movie (hence why they are called "trailers"). But, with the large increase in credits, the trailers were moved to the front and the shorts were ditched entirely.
Thank Pixar for bringing back the animated short, and other studios for acknowledging the market and following suit.
I, for one, loved the "ChubChubbs" short (did anyone else notice that the yellow things resembled the Langoliers?).
Nathan
Re:Anyone else get a CGI short at showing? (Score:2)
"Came out of nowhere"... (Score:2, Informative)
Shortest. Movie. Ever (Score:2)
Umm... well, I liked the movie. (Score:3, Insightful)
Many reasons to see Undercover Brother instead. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Hmm, where's Linda? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Hmm, where's Linda? (Score:2)
"We knew all along, sadly..."
Re:Hmm, where's Linda? (Score:3, Informative)
A third option escapes me, but--who knows--she may simply want to spend more time with her family.
Re:Hmm, where's Linda? (Score:2)
Re:Thanks for the review, but... (Score:2)
Nathan
Re:Name is wrong (Score:2)
Re:Name is wrong (Score:2)
Re:Name is wrong (Score:2)
Re:Name is wrong (Score:2)
Re:The GNUvie Movie Ratings Standard (Score:2)
Re:MIB 2 (Score:2)
More properly: Manos: The Hands of Fate
Worst movie ever made...and yes, I've seen the non-MST3K version. Well...most of it...I think...what I didn't sleep through, anyway.