A Quick Peek From the Matrix Set In Sydney 164
We posted recently about the planned shutdown of part of Sydney for filming of the upcoming Matrix sequel. Now reader zobier points to a followup describing the shooting, and since he was on hand to see it first-hand, writes: "I went along to watch the filming, it was very cool (I love helicopters tho' ;) They didn't block off much city space, maybe (100 - 200m), and the chopper flew down the square (Martin Place) between the buildings about 5 - 10m above our heads. Many onlookers were videoing and photographing the scene. At about 5pm when it got dark the camera flashes started going off, this pissed off the director as it was interfering with his film." GoogolPlexPlex adds a link to coverage in the Sydney Morning Herald.
Realism? (Score:4, Funny)
Y'know, if I'm on the street and a helicopter goes flying by with people fighting on it, I'm going to take a picture.
Re:Realism? (Score:1)
Szo
Re:Realism? (Score:1)
neo wasn't fighting with agent smith in the helicopter since none of the actors were on site as many fans hoped they would be, as stated in the article.
read the article first man.
Re:Realism? (Score:2)
I have no idea what the actual scene is supposed to be, but the article does say that stuntmen where there. Close-ups can be shot in a studio and cut in later.
Re:Realism? (Score:4, Funny)
Apparently you didn't quite get the first movie though.
There is no spoon. Or in this case, no helicopter....
Re:Realism? (Score:1, Funny)
You wish to take photos of a movie set; that set is the intellectual property of the movie studio. That the movie set is on public properrty, and that the public has been restricted from it in favor of the movie maker is immaterial. The MPAA will protect its intellectual property regardless.
In any case, allowing anyone to take photographs is dangerous. It is posible to violate copyright by photographing copyrighted works. Your camera, to be legal, should contain hardware than makes it impossible to take photos unless the subject of the photo is cleared with the MPAA or other competent quasi-governmental agency. If your camera is not so equipped, it's clear that you intend to use your camera for illegal violations of copyright.
Of course, since it costs money to combat piracy and to review applications for taking photographs, we must insist that you buy film or other recording media specially taxed to pay these costs. (Excpetion: professional producers, as of movies or commercials, are exempted under law, to promote American cultural hegemony.)
We know that you don't have a license for a camera, and that you haven't paid the recording media tax, because, in accordance with the Intellectual Property Protection Accountability Act, your computer recorded its Globally Unique Identifying Number when you posted your message. As all your commerical activity is recorded under your name to prevent fraud, it was a simple matter to cross-reference purchase records and computer records.
By the time you read this, you should be hearing the knock on your door.
Re:Realism? (Score:4, Funny)
It was only the pizza guy. Crisis Averted.
Re:Realism? (Score:1)
Camera flashes (Score:3, Funny)
The camera moments that really make me laugh are flash photographs of cityscapes at night taken through windows. Well, everyone needs pictures of bright reflected flashes. My album is full of them.
EtF
Re:Camera flashes (Score:1)
No, but when the camera shows the helicopter in relation to the ground, they want to see a regular city street, not a city street with dozens of camera flashes.
Re:Camera flashes (Score:1)
EtF.
Re:Camera flashes (Score:3, Informative)
Re: (Score:2)
Stop blaming the user - blame the product (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Stop blaming the user - blame the product (Score:1)
Re:Stop blaming the user - blame the product (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:Stop blaming the user - blame the product (Score:1)
As though the flash would have a detrimental effect on the picture.
As though some people care.
As though the people who DO care remembered to turn it off.
As though the flashes can't be cleaned out of the film using a tiny fraction of the movie's gi-normous SFX budget.
Re:Camera flashes (Score:1)
"That wasn't the point I was making. I agree that the film cameras will pick up all the flashes but, from the stills camera's point of view, the flash will be insufficient to affect the outcome of the exposure and is, therefore, pointless."
What the poster stated obviously doesn't say that he was "poking fun at people who think that a tiny flash will somehow illuminate a giant outdoor area."
The poster's original post does imply what you mentioned, but not the post that I replied to specifically.
You should re-read my post and the post I replied to, since I think you are the who seems to be completely missing my point.
All I've said above though, was after giving you the benefit of the doubt that all you did was overlook the specific post I replied to, and not that you just completely missed the point. I hope I'm not mistaken in this aspect.
Re:Camera flashes (Score:1)
Re:Camera flashes (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Camera flashes (Score:4, Funny)
From a moving car.
With flash.
With the window closed.
Sigh.
just imagine (Score:1)
flashers (Score:1)
yea, those darn flashers
What's interesting about Matrix 2 (Score:1)
Re:What's interesting about Matrix 2 (Score:1)
Re:What's interesting about Matrix 2 (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What's interesting about Matrix 2 (Score:2)
Re:What's interesting about Matrix 2 (Score:1)
Matrix version 2.0 - patches the Neo exploit (Score:2)
It also stops all of those annoying exploits of the spoon protocol by script kiddies.
Re:What's interesting about Matrix 2 (Score:1)
Matrix pictures (Score:5, Funny)
The Flashes... (Score:3, Funny)
Yes, a camera flash at that distance won't illuminate a hellicopter. That's good for side views or shots shot angling up at the hellicopter shot from below (probably a 45 degree angle)
However, if the director wanted an overhead shot, or one angling down at the hellicopter, the street would be visible and that's where the flashes would be seen. The director probably wanted to see an average street so the distracting flashes were causing him lost time, film and money.
Re:The Flashes... (Score:1)
Even if they were to go over budget, be not as good as the original, etc. These films are pretty close to a sure thing...
Poor director... Next time ask people..
Re:The Flashes... (Score:2)
Re:The Flashes... (Score:2)
Yeah, really. . . those thieves didn't even pay for the privilege of seeing the helicopter. Damned Australian movie pirates, anyway.
100-200 m2? (Score:1, Funny)
Roughly the size of a large apartment.
Amazing.
Re:100-200 m2? (Score:1)
Re:100-200 m2? (Score:1)
More to the point, the actual amount of area used was only a portion of a 2 lane street. The copter they used is a French made Squirrel with a nose mounted cam sphere. It has two engines... used because of close city quarters in case one fails. But the thing is about the length of 2 cars and only has 3 short blades. Pretty small but very slick looking.
plot speculations about the matrix reloaded (Score:5, Insightful)
Outside the matrix, neo is a wimpy bald guy who eats gruel and has no ability to fight the enemy.
A movie needs conflict to be interesting. There's lots of obvious conflict available in the real world, where neo and company are underdogs in the fight against the machines, but the parts of the matrix that were really cool were *in the matrix*. So the major conflict being outside the matrix is out.[1]
But neo is all powerful inside, right? Well, that pretty much has to change for there to be anything interesting happening. So my prediction is, right at the beginning of the movie, we're going to find out that the machines have changed something about the matrix that takes away some (but not all) of neo and company's power. That way they still get to do their cool slow motion three-d rotating martial arts, but they can't just win outright.[2]
It's an open question, of course, whether this will be done well enough to allow you to sit back and enjoy the movie, rather than internally kvetch about how contrived things are.
Note that the above is not based on any actual knowledge or information.
- target
[1] Of course, as in the first movie, there will certainly be some conflict outside the matrix. Expect that there will be twin threats, inside and outside, just as in the first. Expect also that those threats will be interrelated, so that solving one is necessary to or will solve the other.
[2] This is perhaps supported by the title. If the matrix gets reloaded, will somee of the rules change?
Re:plot speculations about the matrix reloaded (Score:1)
Although I probably like yours better though.
Teaser poster (Score:2)
Re:plot speculations about the matrix reloaded (Score:1)
The matrix _has_ a plot?
How about this...the superintelligent robots who managed to build a vast and realistic simulation of 21st century Earth finally get around to adding a login?
Neo: It's asking for my password now...what do I do now morpheus???
Morpheus:
Don't get me wrong...I loved the Matrix, just why with these $100m movies dont they bother to pass the script to some experts (or anyone with a BSc) who can say if it is believable or not....i mean humans as efficient batteries, who would believe that?...
And its not like you there is some physical law that a plot cant be both believable and fun...I can suspend my disbelief as good as anyone but sometimes its nice not to have to.
Humans as batteries. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Humans as batteries. (Score:1)
Re:Humans as batteries. (Score:2, Interesting)
Maybe... (Score:1)
Maybe I'm just making this up. (damn straight)
Re:plot speculations about the matrix reloaded (Score:3, Insightful)
Having an immortal hero may seem too much, but it really isn't any different to other films. Name one action movie you have seen where you genuinely believed that the hero would die?
Normally, common sense and experience dictates our hero will survive. In The Matrix, the story dictates this too.
Re:plot speculations about the matrix reloaded (Score:4, Insightful)
This is not like what I consider to be the worst movie I ever paid to see, "Spawn" wherein it is established early on that our hero cannot die (because he is already dead or some crap like that) and the in rest of the movie he is threatened with being killed by various forces. I would have walked out, but I thought my buddy wanted to see the rest... he was only staying because he thought _I_ wanted to...
That movie was only worthy of MST3K, and I think even those guys would have a hard time of it.
I'm sure the agents will return in new and deadly ways (not to mention those albino "virus" dudes)... also even if Neo _is_ unbeatable, all his friends, not to mention the rest of humanity, are not. Even if he cannot be defeated, can he save them? Believe me, despite all the hokiness and plot holes (and I'm saying this despite the fact that "The Matrix" is one of my favorite movies ever), there is plenty of room for real drama and suspense. Not to mention lotsa butt kickin' and eye candy.
Re:plot speculations about the matrix reloaded (Score:2)
Re:plot speculations about the matrix reloaded (Score:2)
I think your right about this.
In the movie, scenes which take place inside the matrix are filmed in downtown Sydney. Scenes which take place in the "real world" are filmed on a sound stage. The scene being filmed in downtown Sydney is supposedly [slashdot.org] the final scene of the movie so it must take place inside the matrix.
There's no need for a helicopter in the final scene if Neo has God like powers. He doesn't need to ride in one because he can fly and if he goes up against someone else in a helicopter he should be able to easily defeat them.
I suppose one other possibility would be if Neo is not in the final scene but Trinity or someone else is. She doesn't have God like powers and this might make for a more interesting fight. Although I doubt they would do this.
Re:plot speculations about the matrix reloaded (Score:2)
No, he isn't.
He may be invulnerable to anything within the Matrix, but that's a far cry from being all powerful. He can't create (or restore) life, and is probably not omniscient. So anyone inside with him (including people who can't leave - like the Oracle) would be vulnerable.
There are other ways that he's vulnerable as well (see below)
my prediction is, right at the beginning of the movie, we're going to find out that the machines have changed something about the matrix that takes away some (but not all) of neo and company's power
Not necessarily - think of the Matrix as an OS, with the people and agents as apps, which interface with the OS via an API. Neo is special because he's not bound by the API - he can bang on the hardware directly... so all that's needed to create tension is an agent that has the same bit-banging privelidges too... (from what I've read, this is going to be part of the storyline..)..
think about it: if a cracker and sysadmin both have root on a system, would the sysadmin change the definition of 'root', or would he try to subvert the cracker using existing privelidges? (Assuming he couldn't just disconnect the box from the network and reinstall.. which might be what happens in "reloaded"
While it may be possible they will "limit" Neo's power, it's not a requirement - and it would certainly piss off a lot of the people who are going to see it because they want to see Neo kick ass.
Agent Smith 2.0 (Score:2)
If you check out www.imdb.com for the Matrix sequal you'll see that Agent Smith is now Agent Smith 2.0
An upgrade, hmmm? Let's hope it's not as diabolical as Microsoft's recent Media Player 7.1 security fix [slashdot.org]. Maybe the 2.x series of agents will realize the only way to defeat a vastly superior Neo is for all of them to attack him simultaneously rather than following the time-honored martial arts movie tradition of politely waiting their turn. Now that would make for a cool (and novel) fight scene!
GMD
Camera Flash (Score:4, Informative)
A camera's flash works for a very short distance, perhaps 100 feet... If you're any further away from the source than that, the camera flash distracts your subject, while NOT lighting up anything (except possibly the dust between you and your subject).
If you don't know how to use it properly, shut it off... People have become accustomed to the flash on cameras, but few ever actually need it. Not to mention how much harm that flash does in the hands of idiots.
Re:Camera Flash (Score:2, Informative)
100 feet? Absolute and complete rubbish. You'll be very lucky to get ten feet with your average flashgun.
Ever heard of the Inverse Square Law? Double the flash-subject distance and the amount of light falling on the subject is reduced to a quarter of that emitted.
Tim
Re:Camera Flash (Score:2)
Consider that most professional photographers will "bounce" their flash to avoid glare when shooting indoors, and that typically the light is bounced off of a surface 5-10 feet away and falls onto a subject an additional 5-10 feet away, just for a typical indoors bounce-off-the-ceiling flash.
I have three flashes for my camera, a head-on one that can do about 25-30 feet without difficulty, an adjustable angled one that can do about 40 feet tops, and a shoddy little one that I have a bunch of filters for that manages about 20 feet easily.
Though I appreciate the Inverse Square Law, you do not necessarily need a tremendous amount of light falling on your subject -- just enough to catch them on the film. Shooting a subject 40 feet away with a powerful flash, and 1600 ISO film, and you should be fine.
leem
Re:Camera Flash (Score:3, Funny)
1 - very very few people understand good photography.
2 - Over 70% of the world's population is made up of morons and idiots.
dont agree with #2? Go drive at 5:00 pm in any major metropolitan area.
Re:Camera Flash (Score:4, Insightful)
Face it, Photography is, when you get down to it, a highly technical practice, and you can automate it somewhat with smart cameras that can handle say 80% of the situations that 90% of people are likely to want to take pictures of. Fall outside those boundries, and you get situations like these.
Re:Camera Flash (It sometimes works, here is why) (Score:3, Interesting)
Here is why, most meters will average across the whole frame and the thing you are photographing is usually occupying maybe 10 to 20% of the frame.
Switching flash will normally set a fixed speed on 1/30th sec. This is usually enough for the illuminated bit of the photograph. Forget the flash itself, it is the fixed speed that helps. With negative film there is usually enough lattitude to get something off the negative. This is why flash photos of concerts often work.
If they are filming on to negative film, they will need a fair amount of illumination (even with black helicopters). I wouldn't be suprised if the photographers don't actually get something (although a 30th is a bit slow for action and it is sure to blur).
Re:Camera Flash (Score:1)
In photography, correct exposure is a factor of three elements: film speed (the ISO number), shutter speed (1/sec) and aperture (in f-numbers or mm).
The camera, using the light meter, will try to get the scene to gray. Dumb point-n-shoots can only change the shutter speed, and I think for a limited range of values (most likely 1/60, 1/125, 1/250). The camera won't allow longer exposures because it is assumed that it is hand-held and longer exposures will result in bluriness.
So anyway you look at it, shooting distant objects in the dark with a simple automatic camera is dumb, flash or no flash.
Re:Camera Flash (Score:2)
When photographing a bright object against a dark background, the meter's tendancy to average the scene will tend to give unacceptably long exposures.
Enabling flash is way of forcing the shutter speed to the lower end of hand-held performancethen it is up to the lens and film speed. Remember also that there is a lot of lattitude in print films as well, so effective a 400ASA film can be doubled to 800 ASA. This is enough for most purposes.
Of course a good SLR with a bright lens and spot metering would be better, but this isn't necessarily what you can keep handy for opportunity shots.
Re:Camera Flash (Score:2)
Cameras should be smart enough to detect long-range photography (most AF cameras have range-finders now anyway) and shut off the flash by default.
Even I find myself using the flash on my camera by accident (did it on the highway once... that was BAD) because the camera resets itself every time you turn it off.
I want smart cameras. I was digital cameras that can take a picture when I press the button, not 2 seconds after. Sigh.
Re:Camera Flash (Score:2)
Hell, why doesn't Windows install with Telnet turned on and with a default Administrative password? It doesn't because it is just a good policy to have conservative default settings.
Re:Camera Flash (Score:2)
If cameras did not flash by default 80% of the people who bought them would not be able to take indoor pictures. That may sound fine to you, but it would mean that any camera put out that way would move off the shelves about as fast as a frozen slug.
Re:Camera Flash (Score:2)
I believe that if cameras didn't flash by default, people that are taking indoor pictures would just damn well have to remember to turn the flash on.
Besides that, with improvements in cameras and film developing, even low light pictures don't turn out very bad.
Re:Camera Flash (Score:2, Interesting)
People would usually forget to turn the flash on the first time.
Re:Camera Flash (Score:2)
You're missing the point. You act as if the entire camera industry has one guy that goes "hey, I know! We'll turn the flash off by default!"
Try sitting in on a Cannon product development meeting and saying, "on this model, let's really juice up sales by making customers have to figure out the user interface in order to turn on the flash."
The fact of the matter is that no matter how much you think people will be able to cope, camera manufacturers all make their cameras do the most generically useful thing by default. It may not be a nice outcome in terms of annoying flashes, but face it: that flash doesn't hurt the resulting picture in the average case, and it helps in the case of indoor photography. No one is going to step up to the plate to be the first to shut that off.
Now, I'd be happy if the camera just remembered when you shut the flash off from power-off to power-on. That you might be able to squeak past as a design improvement....
Re:Camera Flash (Score:2)
Or perhaps: "the first that won't get you kicked out of the (foot/base/basket)-ball game."
I know everyone goes the way of making products for idiots (just look at cars that lock your doors, and turn on your headlights) but a product that does what the owner wants it to do would probably sell even more units. It seems like old, good features are completely removed by every manufacturer at the same time (or new, crappy features are added).
I think everyone underestimates that as a selling point. Not having every feature, but rather, having features that do what you want, when you want. In other words, not screwing up.
Re:Camera Flash (Score:2)
I've also often seen people try to take flash pictures of things through glass, while taking the picture perpendicular to the plane of the glass.
Somebody in this thread estimated 70%, but I think that person forgot about Sturgeon's Law [tuxedo.org].
Re:Camera Flash (Score:2)
Re:Camera Flash (Score:2)
And in St. Peter's Cathedral, people would stand at the entrance and try to get a flash picture of the whole interior. I turned off my flash and got a gorgeous photo (holding my camera rock still). Then I turned the flash on the see what everyone else was gonna get (out of curiosity). Pure gray washed out haze.
What amazes me is that most of these people will probably never learn on their own, even when they get their ruined pictures back.
New Oracle? (Score:5, Interesting)
I was in the National Geographic shop in Darling Harbour Sydney, browsing, when a lady with a Yankee accent came in. The guy behind the desk asked her where she was from, if she was a tourist, etc, etc.
She claimed that she was working on a new movie, the guy behind the counter asked which, she replied The Matrix. The guy and the girl behind the counter were impressed, they asked what she had to do with it and she said she plays the role of the Oracle, since the actress who played the Oracle in the first movie has passed away.
Can anyone confirm that the origial Oracle actress has passed on?
Damn, she was uber cool.
Re:New Oracle? (Score:4, Informative)
Here too [ign.com]
Her name was Gloria Foster, she passed last year at 64
Re:New Oracle? (Score:2)
Gloria Foster, RIP (Score:2, Informative)
Passed away last year, at the age of 64.
She had already filmed her scenes for Matrix II, I believe. Dunno what they're doing for Matrix III.
Re:New Oracle? (Score:2, Informative)
http://uk.imdb.com/Name?Foster,+Gloria
Apparently useful information is "Offtopic" (Score:2)
I posted an answer, titled "Gloria Foster, RIP," almost immediately after you posted your question. It got modded down. Twice. WTF?
Re:Apparently useful information is "Offtopic" (Score:1)
Re:Apparently useful information is "Offtopic" (Score:2)
Exactly devphil. I was wondering myself WTF at the logic of the moderators on that one.
I think the moderation system is pretty stuffed up. I think anyone who hasn't posted on a news item should be able to moderate within that item with only a limit on being able to moderate a single post once with one point.
Perhaps this would allow the results of each posts moderation to be more indicative of a broader opinion base, rather than being judged by TWO moderators who don't know what offtopic means.
Moderators, can someone please mod devphil's informative post back up out of the offtopic hole it's been put in?
Matrix is a movie? (Score:2, Funny)
Realistic? (Score:3, Funny)
Heh (Score:5, Funny)
Yay ! (Score:1, Interesting)
The building I work in is on the corner of Martin Place and Castlereagh streets.
I walk along there everyday !
Where they found space to land a goddamn helicopter is beyond me
Photo of the 'copter (Score:2, Informative)
Photo (With Flash) (Score:1, Funny)
Action Shot [utoronto.ca]
a multi-million dollar movie?? (Score:1)
Is anyone besides me unimpressed? A million dollar budject is completely bare bones as far as movie making goes.
Director? (Score:1)
At about 5pm when it got dark the camera flashes started going off, this pissed off the director as it was interfering with his film
I always thought Matrix and the sequels were directed by BOTH Kowalsky Bros....
Re:Cameras (Score:1)
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Wow.. (Score:2, Interesting)
Uh.. where'd the parent post go?? (Score:1)
Re:size of area and flying altitude (Score:2, Informative)
Here's a company that flies R/Cs for camera work [flymotioncamusa.com]
Just to illustrate :
Their 'Airwolf' cam [flymotioncamusa.com]
Oh, some more Airwolf
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Re:There is no John Howard (Score:1)
But then again, theyre all better than an arselicker like Howard.
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Re:Complete Article (Score:3, Interesting)
Since the chopper came in from a few streets away and flew to the square then then traveled up along the building, my guess is that Neo might be "flying" as he did at the end of Movie 1 and then fighting someone on the externals of the building. All Greenscreen of course.
They are filming 2 more sequences during the next 2 Sundays and the second one will be the largest street closure ever (surpassing Vanilla Sky's empty street scene). I won't be here for the big one where they will close down all of George Street, but I'm hoping to see some of the cast (Trinity anyone?) next Sunday.
Either way, it will be cool having pre-CGI footage of the scene as it will likely be a pivotal sequence.
Re:Complete Article (Score:2)
Ya, just as cool as having pre-CGI Jurassic Park (empty woods).
Re:Complete Article (Score:1)
Re:Beautiful City (Score:1)
Re:Beautiful City (Score:1)
Not as beautiful as Melbourne though. Melbourne is just too elegant to have been chosen for the Matrix as they were really after a US-like city. However it was chosen for Jackie Chan's Mr Nice Guy. However I'd still suggest visting both cities, they both have distinctive features.
Re:Beautiful City (Score:2)
Re:I'm Sorry (Score:1)