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ReadParse writes "The Sacramento Bee is running an AP story about Warner Bros' plans to produce a Batman vs. Superman movie. It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel -- somebody check Michael Keaton's schedule."
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Titilation aside, I wonder if the time is approaching that mainstream America is ready for a superheroine movie that isn't a joke or B-movie trash. The popularity of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon seems to indicate the American audiences may be willing to accept women as competent, powerful fighters. But I wonder if that acceptance wasn't because the whole movie was supposed to be a fantasy (with the flying and all). What do slashdotters think about the popularity of a serious big-budget Hollywood superheronie movie? You think people would go to see it?
I really liked "Unbreakable" as a truly unusual treatment of the whole superhero thing. I guess most people didn't, because it didn't do that well at the box office.
In the same vein, I couldn't imagine Michael Keaton as Batman. He did well enough there, but his portrayal as Bruce Wayne was downright terrific. First time the character ever seemed believable, comic, TV, cartoon, whatever.
Batman, Batman. Parents were killed by the Joker-man. What's he like? It's not important. Batman.
Is he a hero? Or a vigilante? When he fights crime, is he allowed? Or does he become a criminal too? Nobody knows. Batman.
Superman, Superman. Superman hates Batman. They have a fight. Superman tears Batman into tiny little billionare chunks, because he's FUCKING INVULNERABLE. Superman wins.
I think They Might Be Giants just turned over in thier graves. What's that? They're still alive? Well, maybe just in their beds but they turned over in something....
On an unrelated note, not only are "They Might Be Giants" alive, they played a concert at my school last year. And they are coming out with a new album titles "No!" as we speak. The website for the new album, if I could find the URL, is high quality flash stuff and they're giving out some mp3s too. They totally rock.
Hold on there. Clark Kent may be able to hold down a job as a Daily Planet reporter, but his everyman intellect doesn't hold a candle to Bruce Wayne's genius. Probably best illustrated in the animated brilliance of "Worlds Greatest" a mini-movie that launched the Superman series in the 90's. It's a great story that plays Supes and Bats off each other wonderfully. Less messy than the new Justice League show, and as entertaining as any number of the comics out there that deal with the same issue.
I think it's a decent premise but not as a VS movie... it'd be far more entertaining if it reflected the early team up issues and did a decent origin story. Maybe pave the way for a JLA movie. Doesn't matter though, this is just another 'attaching a director to a script to get a days worth of publicity' stunt. Happens almost daily. WB is a big fuckup when it comes to the DC properties. Which is a bloody shame, because the characters are so much more entertaining and rich than any of Marvel's.
Except that I seem to recall a series in which they did in fact fight, and Batman did a pretty neat job of putting Superman down? Granted he was in some sort of exo-skeletal suit...
Kevin Smith wanted to do the "Death of Superman" and its aftermath (even wrote a screenplay), but Tim Burton killed it when he became director on the Nicholas Cage as Superman project.
As much as I like Cage and Burton, I'm damn happy that movie never got made...
I can just imagine someone thats falling off a builiding yelling 'SUPERMAN HELP!' and Batman comes flying along saying something like 'I...am Batman!'. With the victim replying 'but I called for Superman....' and then they fall to their death.
Why Superman VS Batman? Wesley Willis whooped both their asses. Here is a great movie idea. A Godzilla with Bill Gates' face fights a giant Tux the Penguin. Call it Gateszilla VS. Torvalds!
Rock over London! Rock on, Chicago! Diet Pepsi, Uh-huh!
You ever seen Wesley in concert? Man, is that fun. He has a big notebook with all the lyrics in it that he actually reads while 'singing'. Needing documentation in order to remember the lyrics 'Jell-oooooo Biafra, Jell-ooooo Biafra...' is classic. That and the casiotone accompaniment.
You ain't lived until you've had a Wesley Willis head butt...
Who is going to be the baddie? The defender of the meek (Batman) or the defender of Humanity (Superman)?
Or are they thinking of making some supervillan which the both team uo to fight?
"Arrghhh, Kryptonite! Take over and save the world, Batman!"
Well - it's been a few years since they had used the tech (was it used in Gladiator and earlier in the last Bruce Lee film?), but it isn't so far fetched that they use a body/stunt double for Mr Reeves and put his face over the double's body.
Still - rumors are rumors.... I'm still waiting for the film adaptation of Red Dwarf with Patrick Stewart as the baddie.
Well - it's been a few years since they had used the tech (was it used in Gladiator and earlier in the last Bruce Lee film?),
"The Game of Death" [imdb.com] is the movie Bruce Lee was working on when he died (actually he started working on it, took a break to make "Enter the Dragon" [imdb.com]).
Bruce Lee was writing and directing, as well as starring in the movie, which was to deliver his philosophy and vision.Unfortunately his notes and storyboards were lost, and the movie that got released had very little resemblance to his original intent.Only about 30 minutes out of hundreds of hours of film were deemed suitable for release.
Amongst the tricks used to complete the film were, indeed, body doubles, as well as having Bruce's character off camera, having his fact blown off and even scenes shot with Bruce Lee Cardboard Cutouts.
A couple of years ago, the documentary "Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey" [imdb.com] was released. It contains the actual final scenes Bruce shot for "The Game of Death".They're somewhat incomplete, but they're well worth watching. The entire documentary is actually one of the best Bruce Lee documentaries out there - has a lot of archive footage and old interviews with him. My TiVo picked it up on TCM or AMC or something a few days ago, so it's probably floating around right now. Anyone interested in Bruce Lee or Martial Arts in general should definately attempt to catch it.
Which, in my humble opinion, going to be a lot more interesting than a fanpiece like 'Superman Vs. Batman'. Well, if you get to make both, why not?
The problem with the Ender's Game movie is that the studio is apparently trying to submarine Petersen's efforts into getting a cast that he feels is realistic for the story. You can read the AICN rumour here: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=12681 [aintitcool.com]
Essentially, it boils down to the fact that Petersen wants to include a racially mixed cast to reflect the in-book and real-world race ratios at the time Ender's Game is supposed to be set. The studio has vetoed his plans claiming that white audiences won't want to go unless the adults in the movie are all white.
From the rumour:
He was flat out told "Not a chance in hell. There will be a handful of token characters from other races but every other child will be white." As the studio execs pointed out, if there are too many background characters that aren't white, white people will be afraid to go see it.
And of course the fact (rumor?) that Peterson is shelving Ender's Game to direct a cheesy averagehero vs superhero movie doesnt make me happy about the latter movie.
According to http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/eo/ 20020709/en_movies_eo/10217 [yahoo.com], "Petersen says he will temporarily shelve his other Warners projects--the epic Trojan War and an adaptation of Orson Scott Card's sci-fi novels Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow--and will begin working on Superman vs. Batman."
Those of you who haven't activated the Sci-Fi news slashbox might have missed this article [bureau42.com] about the same thing on Bureau 42. </shameless plug>
Forget the movies. The best, funniest treatment of a superhero face-off ever was the Internet Oracle's response a few years ago [wmin.ac.uk] to a query about who would win in a fight between Superman and the Hulk.
Pray that the screenwriter (who worked on Se7en) is adapting, or at least heavily influenced by "The Dark Knight Falls" by Frank Miller.
Now that would be something worth seeing! And if you look at the director's comments in the article it's not out of the question that this is the story they may be telling...
Batman: I finally found the people that killed my parents! Prepare to die!:holds up BatGun: Superman, swooping in: I'm sorry Bruc-- I mean 'Bat-Man'. I can't let you kill them, that would be wrong. Batman: Oh shut up you tight-wearing pansy!:looks at own tights: Ok, well at least I make this look good! Superman: After all we've been through together!:wipes tear away: Prepare to die!:turns on heat vision: Batman: Ah-hah! 'BatAntiSupermanHeatShield' activate!:heat vision deflects and blows up a nearby building: Superman: You bastard! I'll crush you with my pinky!:lunges at the Caped Crusader: Batman: Not so fast, Superdork!:whips out glowing green kryptonite rock: Superman: Noo, my one weakness! My Achilles rock, as it were!:grabs Bruce's parents killers: Now I have YOUR weakness, the vengeance for your parent's killers!:laughs heartily:
...Lather, rinse, repeat...
2 hours later
Superman::breathless and weary from a long fight: How did... how did Lex Luthor and The Joker team up to defeat us both? Batman::also beat-up: I don't know, but I suspect it is the scene for Batman V Superman II: "Two super-heads are better than one!"
And that's to get Frank Miller to write (or re-write) the script. The Batman/Superman encounter in Return of the Dark Night was excellent. Also, if they paired him with M. Night Shay*an. Unbreakable was just about the best superhero movie ever. I doubt the producers will have the insight to do either though.
Granted, it'll probably get sued by the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) who was recently sued by the WWF (World Wildlife Fund).
Even still, the Royal Rumble between Superman, Scooby Doo, Batman, the Penguin, Wonderwoman, Catwoman, and Tonya Harding, would be a truly kickass event.
Then Batman really wouldn't stand a chance. He'd kick Supes around the film in amusing ways for a half hour only to get his head blown off by a not-much-worse-for-wear, shotgun-weilding Superman.
I can't think of a better post-modern super hero than Bruce Campbell. Heck, even the satiric edge we've all come to associate him with (army of darkness, et al) works perfectly! Come on, now that we're adults we shouldn't be eating chicken and stars soup and we shouldn't be expected to have a total suspension of disbelief...
"It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel"
Once upon a time nobody could see anybody but George Reeves playing Superman. A change in actors can be done successfully. Whether it will be done successfully is a whole other matter.
On the other hand, Batman has been played by a revolving door of actors since Keaton.
It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel -- somebody check Michael Keaton's schedule.
According tp the IMDB's "Celebrity News" [imdb.com] the director wants Matt Damon. Here's the relevant text:
Matt Damon may get his choice of playing either Batman or Superman in a new movie that brings the comic book superheroes together - as enemies. Moviemaker Wolfgang Petersen has signed up to direct Batman vs. Superman for a 2004 release, and he wants Damon among his stars. The director says, "Matt's an interesting action man and a hell of an actor." The Perfect Storm director jumped at the chance to make the new movie because he likes the idea of pitting two heroes against each other. He says, "It's a clash of the titans. They play off each other so perfectly - Superman is clear, bright, all that is noble and good, and Batman represents the dark, obsessive and vengeful side. It'll make for great drama."
Yeah, I've been waiting years for a real lame movie to watch.
While they're at it with "Superman v. Batman", why don't they throw in a few more lame scenarios, like:
Batman v. Spiderman
Spiderman v. Superman
Jaws v. Jurassic Park
Jason v. Freddy
Lara Croft v. Indianna Jones
Come one, does it get any lamer than this? Imagine what went through their minds when they came up with this one:
hmm...we could have another lame sequel that would make us a lot of money because people are stupid enough to keep coming back for more....or we could combine this movie with that movie to make a really lame movie that won't make sense and'll suck, but it'll bring in the fans from both series and make us gobs and gobs and gobs of money. Then we'll do a sequel.
What AOL/TW really needs to do is to get off their asses and do some more things with their animated super hero serei. I'm sorry but just about every live-action Batman movie I've seen can't hold a candle to a single half-hour episode of Batman: The Animated Series. Give us a JL movie or another Batman Beyond or something!
Just looking at the way the live-action Batman movies WB has put out portrays the villans (the Joker, the Penguin, Mr. Freeze, Bane, Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Two-Face, etc.) and then looking at how those same characters have been done in the animated series... can anybody honestly tell me that they're really looking forward to another live-action movie? What they did to Mr. Freeze and Bane alone should be reason to shudder with fear...
This will not be like 'Batman and Robin' This will not be like 'Batman and Robin'
I can't see the movie being half as good as an episode of Batman the Animated Series. The characters of Batman and Superman have such great depth, regretably some hollywierd casting director will pull a demographic move, rather than using real actors. Here's to holding out hope.
Sadly, Hollywood's taste is so bad that I think this flick will simply be a 'Who would win?' type of movie. Unfortunately, that's not an interesting subject for reasons that people have already posted here.
Instead, they should develop the movie that gives you deeper insights into each character, taking the plot away from the 'whos gonna win?' direction. To put it another way: If you find out that Batman wins, it shouldn't ruin the movie for you.
With that said, why not explore what could possibly make these two guys fight? What kind of ethical questions would that provide for Superman? What could possibly happen to make the Man of Steel defeat somebody who, like himself, has made his life's work to protect people?
How would Batman feel about having the opportunity to deal the death blow to Superman? In light of how his parents were killed, how could he bring himself to destroy somebody that undoubtedly would have prevented it if he could?
They both had their parents killed tragically, they have that pain in common. Could they come to a resolution?
In any case, with questions like these (or hopefully more interesting ones, I am not a writer heh) the movie could actually be rather meaningful. If the movie tries to be like Spiderman and is written to show of using the latest effects to have two 'super humans' battle it out, then there's no way it's going to but much more than a jock flick.
I hope somebody puts some interesting thought into this. Both characters are deep enough that they could tell a fascinating story. This really is the type of movie that should be animated. It's hard to take a guy seriously when he's wearing bright blue underwear.
It's kind of hard to imagine anybody but Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel.
It's kind of hard to imagine that people think Christopher Reeve is the only Superman. Christopher Reeve is not the first person to play Superman and he will not be the last.
However, I do think he's played Superman the best out of all of them.
I see this running like every crossover comic ever written:
Reel 1: Batman and Superman cross paths, get in each other's way and fight, messing each other up but neither taking home a definitive win. Kiss another Batplane goodbye.
Reel 2: Villians gang up on Batman and Superman.
Reel 3: Batman and Superman team up and defeat villians.
For a good idea of what I mean, see the 3-part World's Finest comic that Steve Rude illustrated for DC a few years back. It rocked.
Of course, for Joe Sixpack, "Batman vs. Superman" is a better title than "World's Finest," since Joe Sixpack doesn't get the reference to the old teamup title from the fifties.
Lastly, while I wish Christopher Reeve all the best, he wasn't the first actor to play Superman, and he won't be the last. It might be nice to get Gene Hackman back as Lex Luthor, though.
Wouldn't a World's Finest be better than a Superman vs. Batman? Imagine the scenario where Lex Luthor goes to Gotham and The Joker goes to Metropolis. Both would create a huge ruckus as the cities' respective guardians don't know how to handle the villain. A Batman-Luthor dialogue would be great. Superman failing to understand The Joker's psychotic behavior would be interesting as well. Then finally the two heroes get together and beat the two villains. You would also exploit some great Bruce Wayne-Clark Kent scenes.
Superman is a fairly boring hero. He either is going to kick everyone's butt because he is just plain so Uber (pun intended), or someone is going to bust green kryptonite on his butt. Batman is just a normal guy who's completely obsessed with getting the bad guy in any way he can. A Batman-Superman battle would all revolve around the kryptonite.
Trying hard NOT to sound like the Simpsons Comic Book Guy, but I have the feeling that I'll be disappointed with the movie. It'll be easy for Hollywood to screw it up.
Not to take away from ReadParse, but news about this movie has been available at Coming Soon [comingsoon.net] for several weeks. Maybe the boys over there have more news worth duplicating...
Now for an on topic comment: haven't we had enough comic book hero movies for one life time? The answer seems to be no, as it was first Superman, then Batman, and now Spider-Man who have repeatedly broken box office records every time a new one is released.
Now the bad news: we all have to wait two years for the movie to develop. So why is it such big news now?
Think about it. He's handsome in a boy-next-door Young Republican poster kind of way, he has the correct wholesome, too good to be true, "I'll save-the-day" associations in the public consciousness, he can actually act, he has geek appeal, and he looks good in a skin tight unitard.
...what beef does Batman have with Superman? They protect two completely different cities, and the only thing I can see creating a conflict here is a very un-superhero-like grab for power. I don't see how this idea would work even at it's most basic levels...
I guess you never actually read any of the comics then, in fact basically every time they meet Batman whips superman like a little girl. Just because super man has powers doesnt mean he wins, remember, Batman is smarter and will set up any fight to his specifications. Superman isn't the brightest of fellows ever (duh..i'll use my heatvision). Just read Batman: The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller (as well as the sequal comic to is in which batman leaves superman a bloody lump) and you should get an idea what I mean.
Thats why I think this movie will be a bad idea, it cannot cature to both the hardcore comic readers and the common public. The actual comic readers would know that Batman would most likely win (or at least kick the daylights out of superman) while the common public wont be able to get past the idea that since superman has powers and batman does not, then it will be an easy victory for superman.
Thats why I think this movie will be a bad idea, it cannot cature to both the hardcore comic readers and the common public. The actual comic readers would know that Batman would most likely win (or at least kick the daylights out of superman) while the common public wont be able to get past the idea that since superman has powers and batman does not, then it will be an easy victory for superman.
I suggest that a comprimise already exists lower down the discussion page: Cast Bruce Campbell as Superman.
This will effectively allow you to please everyone. Batman can beat the daylights out of Bruce, and in the end Bruce can dispatch Batman using a chainsaw or shotgun and make a smart-alec quip. Viola, the general public gets what it expects and all the hardcore fans will be too busy messing themselves to care about what would "really" happen.
Now, I sold my Dark Knight books (and made a bundle) back in the 90's, but I think I recall the sequence being something like;
Batman hides in some buildings, Superman uses his x-ray vision, x-ray-seeking missile auto-launches carrying warhead of synthesized kryptonite as Bruce comments how many years and how much money it cost to make. .. Clark gets creamed.
That's the kind of contrived bullshit that will lead to a decrease in the enjoyment that I'll have when viewing the movie.
Superman is a genius intellect and partially a product of an advanced race and civilization. He's able to make an enormous number of decisions at nearly the speed of light (move at near the speed of light, and you kinda need to be able to think that quickly as well). Time and again in the cartoons and comics, supervillains neutralize Superman's physical advantages, and Superman has to instead outsmart them.
So we can see after years of evidence that he's this world-class intellect, yet Batman is going to defeat Superman's nearly invincible physical attributes. That's just contrived nonsense. You'd think by now that Superman would be paranoid when entering a situation where he might be trapped in closed quarters with someone bearing Kryptonite. But no, X-Ray vision and all, he's going to walk right into it once again. Ugh, it's just awful.
You're forgetting that Superman is a goody-goody and Batman kind of has a dark, evil side to him. And as Dark Helmet would say "Evil will always defeat good because good is dumb."
Wouldn't Superman crush Batman in about a milli-second?
That's always been a problem for the Superman scriptwriters - how to make _anything_ be a challenge, since over the years since the comic strip started (around 1930?) they've attributed so much strength and so many abilities to him that anything short of a galaxy-sized black hole ought to be easy. He's the irresistible force and the immovable object. And if he screws up and lets something bad happen without being there to stop it, he can just fly faster than light to reverse time. You'd think his only real problem would be keeping his personal organizer up to date (08:45 save Lois from bad guy 1, 08:50 save the world from bad guy 2, 08:55 pick up a mugger from the alley and drop him off at Sing Sing, 09:00 put in an appearance in civies as the mild mannered reporter who missed all the fun again, 09:05 save Lois again...)
So how is Batman, who is just a human being with really nice toys, going to face Superman? Yawn, kryptonite again. Obviously that stuff deadens his brain long before he comes close enough to lose his strength, otherwise he'd have learned not to fall for it every time. And it's easy to find green kryptonite on earth, even for convicts on the run from the law, let alone billionaires.
IIRC, someone once calculated from the quantities of kryptonite that have turned up on Earth and the inverse square law, that Krypton must have been so massive it collapsed into a black hole.
Check out "The Dark Knight Returns", where Batman defeats Superman (using some Kryptonite, btw.)
Miller (the author) got it right; Batman is the world's greatest detective mind (nevermind one of the top martial artists in the world), and basically an all around genius.
Might might be right, but only when the dude holding the might doesn't get outsmarted, as Superman did in "The Dark Knight Returns"
Batman is the coolest superhero ever. Why? No superpowers. Brains, altheticism, and a raging case of vengance. What can be more powerful than that?
Maybe hand it over to Lucas, then he can do Superman with a CGI of Christopher Reeves' face.
IIRC, Superman did not lose - he and Batman colluded; Batman had a faked death, and came out of a drug-induced catelepsy in the grave (was later dug up by his trusty butler).
Batman is the coolest superhero ever. Why? No superpowers. Brains, altheticism, and a raging case of vengance. What can be more powerful than that?
If you recall when Batman first fought the leader of the Mutants gang, same 4 issue series, he got his butt kicked and barely got away. Next time he used his brains to win (also, just barely). Seems Bats relies a bit more on luck, as he pretty much needs to.
About there my reading of the whole thing ended, but in another setting (i.e. not during the era of a 60-something Batman) it would have to be something of a political nature, to make any sense and be somewhat consistent with the current direction of both comics, BUT(!), never rule out the possibility (and entire likelihood) that Hollywood comes through and places both characters completely at odds with everything they have been and pull some lame (i.e. Dallas' Bobby Ewing's death dream) story, which is totally full of holes and dismisses generations of fans opinion of "how things should be" (a la Mission Impossible movie, bleahh(!))
Now, what I'd like to know is when there's going to be an Aliens vs Predator movie (yeah, been comics and books, but it could still be pretty darn cool) if done well and with a decent director (paging Ridley Scot, paging Ridley Scott!) 8-)
Oh, I've already decided that Hollywood will destory every childhood institution I love, and this will be no exception.
They always need to dumb down the story to appeal to a wider audience, and this will always burn the purists like me. (Well, okay, not _always always_, but a good 95% of the time.) When they do maintain the integrity of the comic (like Ghost World), they're too scared of mass marketing it, and nobody sees it.
It certainly has a potential for good political commentary.
Batman's big beef against Superman in the Dark Knight series was that Superman was a bit too boy-scouty, a bit too flag-wavingly patriotic. Too much of a political tool. Too much Law and Order, not enough Justice. Batman was perceived to have "crossed the line" and Superman was sent to reign him in.
In this post 9/11 PATRIOT Act Globalization Corporate Facism Goth/geek-profiling-from-Columbine-aftermath world (heh, I beat Jon Katz to the punch with THAT one) - there's EXCELLENT fodder for political commentary. Too bad the spineless wussies will probably shelve that idea.
Heh, i think i remember once seeing an episode when Superman looks at batman with his x-ray vision, and sees he's Bruce Wayne, and tells him something like "go home bruce" (trying to impress bruce by letting him know that he knew who he was, etc), and later, when superman gets to his appartment and 'changes' into Clark kent, he looks out the window and sees batman on the roof across the street, looking with a pair of binoculars and a smile that said "yeah, i bet now you feel *really* dumb".
Superman is a sissy.. never kills anyone, and when he does, he makes a drama out of it. And besides, it's too much like Captain America.. he's too.. american:) (don't get mad at me.. it's just that i get tired sometimes of watching the us flag on the tv screen like it was a desktop wallpaper or something..)
Batman just plain rocks.. and Alan Grant was did the best scripts for it.
Superman doesn't really fight very well, either. I suspect it's just always been too easy for him -- it's like always practicing Quake with the bots set on the lowest possible level.
Effective tactics for Superman: Zip up to Batman at light speed and make balloon animals out of his small intestines tied together with his spinal cord. Do this very quickly -- preferably while the "get kryptonite from utility belt" message is still en route from Batman's brain to his hand.
But nooo... He's just got to showboat. That, plus a certain amount of writer irony, is what gets him in trouble.
So, Batman can beat Superman the first time he tries, but Lex Luthor and Brainiac (two great minds) together can't do it, despite having the benefit of hundreds of experiences trying? I think Miller might have had a little prejudice for his hero on his side:)
Well.. what wasn't mentioned is Batman did have a wee bit of an advantage in the Miller books.
Superman had just recently been at ground zero of a multi-megaton nuclear bomb, one that kicked up enough dust that there was next to no sunlight getting through to the earth. Being that sunlight is what powers Superman, he was in a weakened condition to begin with.
Plus, Superman didn't actually want to kill Batman - he was just there to "bring him in", and considering that Batman was in his elder years in the DKR, Superman was probably holding back considerably.
Mix this with Batman being in a veritable tank of a suit and using Superman's known weaknesses (such as they are) including electricity, sonics, and of course kryptonite (which in the words of the comic "The stuff took years and millions of dollars to synthesize, but luckily I had both")
Put it all together and you wound up with a situation where Batman could beat Superman.. if only just barely.
Superman also flew faster than light to go back in time.
1. Time travel gives him an advantage. 2. The work required to accelerate an object with mass to the speed of light is infinite. So Superman isn't just "Really REALLY strong", he's "REALLY REALLY REALLY..." strong. 3. The universe doesn't seem to mind when Superman breaks the laws of physics.
In the original Justice League, you had all these super-human super heros and then Batman. He was like this sorta dark guy who was out for good, but also wasn't super righteous like the super-human guys. In the comic, he made sure he know everyone elses secret weekness, and was prepared to exploit it if need be. Now I haven't read all of these cause well, I haven't even seen most of them, but I've been informed by people who've read them, that in Super Man's case, Batman had a gun with kryptonite bullets or something along those lines. And also was able to figure out who Super Man's alter ego was. I also seem to recall that Batman knew were Super Man's ice cave was, but I'm a bit less certain about this bit.
Basically while Super Man is the definition of pure physical strength, Batman is the definition of pure cunning. Batman was a loner always, even when fighting for good, and as such mistrusted even his "super" friends, and was always ready to cover his own ass first if need be.
Of course he knew his alter ego - they were on a first name basis in that comic book, calling eachother "Bruce" and "Clark" while they were fighting. (I always liked that touch).
"Superman would kick Batman's ass. Up. Down. Around the block. Back around the block."...which is exactly why Batman will win. Hollywood thinks that'd surprise us.
Wasn't there supposed to be a Batman prequel directed by the guy that did Pi and Requiem for a Dream? That would be awesome, and it would get the series back to its dark roots.
That was probably just a rumor though. I'm sure the next movie will just be more CGI filled hollywood crap.
It is an adaptation of the Frank Miller re-telling of the Batman origin story. Also note that Miller (author of "The Dark Knight Returns" that many have mentioned in this discussion) shares screenplay and story writing credits at the IMDB page posted.
That was called Superman Lives and was supposed to be the movie that followed his death in the comic book. There isn't much of anything on IMDB, but this is what I remember about the project. Nick Cage was signed up to be the new supe. Kevin Smith was paid $300k to write a script, which he cranked out in three weeks and had Superman fighting Braniac (Smith has been a comic book geek for a lot longer than a movie geek). Tim Burton signed up to direct, but on the condition that they throw away Kevin Smith's script. After that, the project completely disappeared. I'm pretty sure the producer was Joel Silver. I just looked at his IMDB list and it's possible that Superman Lives got canned after Matrix hit big and he realized that he could start his own big franchise instead of rehashing an existing (and basically dead) one.
Personally, I'd like to see The Rock in this film - I think he'd make a great Batman,
You sir have made me violently ill with such a comment. The rock deserves a role commensurate to his acting skill and mental prowess. Yes, scrubbing my toilet for the rest of his life seems appropriate to me.
I was only wondering; tech/poli site like slashdot surely would be interested in knowing if part of Kan's disillusionment with this life had anything to do with the corperate reaction to the technologies he worked on so hard?
There's a big difference between somebody who commits suicide because they are simply clinically depressed (which might be the case with Kan, I guess we'll never get to know) or whether they are actually (re)acting, in part, on account of external forces.
I don't know - I was going with the theory that he committed "suicide". you know, like that former Enron executive? Or that guy from Clinton's cabinet?
I'll ignore your mentioning Spiderman for the moment. Yahoo News [yahoo.com] has a story with more details about this movie including a very basic plot and the character type of Batman and Superman.
Lacking something important..... (Score:5, Funny)
A serious reply: Would a superheroine movie sell? (Score:3, Insightful)
Titilation aside, I wonder if the time is approaching that mainstream America is ready for a superheroine movie that isn't a joke or B-movie trash. The popularity of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon seems to indicate the American audiences may be willing to accept women as competent, powerful fighters. But I wonder if that acceptance wasn't because the whole movie was supposed to be a fantasy (with the flying and all). What do slashdotters think about the popularity of a serious big-budget Hollywood superheronie movie? You think people would go to see it?
GMD
Re:A serious reply: Would a superheroine movie sel (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:A serious reply: Would a superheroine movie sel (Score:2, Informative)
Well, people watch this show [buffy.com]. The original Buffy movie was a joke, of course, but the TV show takes things quite seriously.
Re:A serious reply: Would a superheroine movie sel (Score:5, Funny)
You might want to get out more.
--
Damn the Emperor!
back to superheroes and audiences for a moment... (Score:3, Interesting)
In the same vein, I couldn't imagine Michael Keaton as Batman. He did well enough there, but his portrayal as Bruce Wayne was downright terrific. First time the character ever seemed believable, comic, TV, cartoon, whatever.
Use Reeve anyway (Score:2, Funny)
I think they should use Reeve anyway and just let batman wail on him for 2 hours.
Sick ,sick, sick (Score:2)
Just one question: (Score:3, Interesting)
Yeah, right. (Score:5, Funny)
Parents were killed by the Joker-man.
What's he like? It's not important.
Batman.
Is he a hero? Or a vigilante?
When he fights crime, is he allowed?
Or does he become a criminal too?
Nobody knows. Batman.
Superman, Superman.
Superman hates Batman.
They have a fight. Superman tears Batman into tiny little billionare chunks, because he's FUCKING INVULNERABLE.
Superman wins.
(etc.)
Re:Yeah, right. (Score:2)
j/k, great lyrics
Re:Yeah, right. (Score:2)
World's Greatest (Score:2, Interesting)
I think it's a decent premise but not as a VS movie... it'd be far more entertaining if it reflected the early team up issues and did a decent origin story. Maybe pave the way for a JLA movie. Doesn't matter though, this is just another 'attaching a director to a script to get a days worth of publicity' stunt. Happens almost daily. WB is a big fuckup when it comes to the DC properties. Which is a bloody shame, because the characters are so much more entertaining and rich than any of Marvel's.
Re:Yeah, right. (Score:2)
Now the Death of Superman, that'd make a movie.
Re:Yeah, right. (Score:2)
As much as I like Cage and Burton, I'm damn happy that movie never got made...
Re:Yeah, right. (Score:2)
Oh yeah? What about the kryptonite?
-jfedor
Re:Yeah, right. (Score:4, Insightful)
Three words: Dark Knight Returns.
If they modeled a Superman vs. Batman movie on that, I'd actually consider seeing it.
HAH! (Score:2)
Wesley Willis! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Wesley Willis! (Score:2, Troll)
o/~ suck a camels booty hole o/~
Re:Wesley Willis! (Score:2)
You ever seen Wesley in concert? Man, is that fun. He has a big notebook with all the lyrics in it that he actually reads while 'singing'. Needing documentation in order to remember the lyrics 'Jell-oooooo Biafra, Jell-ooooo Biafra...' is classic. That and the casiotone accompaniment.
You ain't lived until you've had a Wesley Willis head butt...
Who's the baddie? (Score:2, Interesting)
Or are they thinking of making some supervillan which the both team uo to fight?
"Arrghhh, Kryptonite! Take over and save the world, Batman!"
Well - it's been a few years since they had used the tech (was it used in Gladiator and earlier in the last Bruce Lee film?), but it isn't so far fetched that they use a body/stunt double for Mr Reeves and put his face over the double's body.
Still - rumors are rumors.... I'm still waiting for the film adaptation of Red Dwarf with Patrick Stewart as the baddie.
Re:Who's the baddie? (Score:2)
Bruce Lee was writing and directing, as well as starring in the movie, which was to deliver his philosophy and vision.Unfortunately his notes and storyboards were lost, and the movie that got released had very little resemblance to his original intent.Only about 30 minutes out of hundreds of hours of film were deemed suitable for release.
Amongst the tricks used to complete the film were, indeed, body doubles, as well as having Bruce's character off camera, having his fact blown off and even scenes shot with Bruce Lee Cardboard Cutouts.
A couple of years ago, the documentary "Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey" [imdb.com] was released. It contains the actual final scenes Bruce shot for "The Game of Death".They're somewhat incomplete, but they're well worth watching. The entire documentary is actually one of the best Bruce Lee documentaries out there - has a lot of archive footage and old interviews with him. My TiVo picked it up on TCM or AMC or something a few days ago, so it's probably floating around right now. Anyone interested in Bruce Lee or Martial Arts in general should definately attempt to catch it.
Wolfgang Petersen also directing 'Ender's Game' (Score:5, Informative)
The problem with the Ender's Game movie is that the studio is apparently trying to submarine Petersen's efforts into getting a cast that he feels is realistic for the story. You can read the AICN rumour here: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=12681 [aintitcool.com]
Essentially, it boils down to the fact that Petersen wants to include a racially mixed cast to reflect the in-book and real-world race ratios at the time Ender's Game is supposed to be set. The studio has vetoed his plans claiming that white audiences won't want to go unless the adults in the movie are all white.
From the rumour:
He was flat out told "Not a chance in hell. There will be a handful of token characters from other races but every other child will be white." As the studio execs pointed out, if there are too many background characters that aren't white, white people will be afraid to go see it.
Re:Wolfgang Petersen also directing 'Ender's Game' (Score:2)
This puts "Ender's Game" on hold (Score:3, Informative)
zerg (Score:2)
I'm going straight to hell (Score:5, Funny)
Well, I guess they could just put kryptonite in every scene.
Other discussion (Score:2)
Those of you who haven't activated the Sci-Fi news slashbox might have missed this article [bureau42.com] about the same thing on Bureau 42.
</shameless plug>
Eh? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Eh? (Score:2)
Hulk vs. Superman: from the Internet Oracle (Score:2, Funny)
"Hulk will impale Superman on sentence fragment!"
They don't make Net humor like that any more.
How to Do It Right (Score:4, Insightful)
Pray that the screenwriter (who worked on Se7en) is adapting, or at least heavily influenced by "The Dark Knight Falls" by Frank Miller.
Now that would be something worth seeing! And if you look at the director's comments in the article it's not out of the question that this is the story they may be telling...
I can think of a better one (or 2) (Score:2)
OR
Batman Vs. Judge Dredd (first two of the three were awsome)
Batman vs Superman always seemed a bit hokey to me
Re:I can think of a better one (or 2) (Score:2)
How about, batman vs. Judge Judy ? I can see it now, "Young man! young man!!! Dont get guano on my shoes and tell me im not in the batcave!"
(one of her famous sayings is, "dont pee on my shoes and tell me its raining)
Crappy plot, I think. (Score:3, Funny)
Superman, swooping in: I'm sorry Bruc-- I mean 'Bat-Man'. I can't let you kill them, that would be wrong.
Batman: Oh shut up you tight-wearing pansy!
Superman: After all we've been through together!
Batman: Ah-hah! 'BatAntiSupermanHeatShield' activate!
Superman: You bastard! I'll crush you with my pinky!
Batman: Not so fast, Superdork!
Superman: Noo, my one weakness! My Achilles rock, as it were!
2 hours later
Superman:
Batman:
fin.
They have one out (Score:2)
Robo Cop 2 (Score:2)
Re:They have one out (Score:2)
Hmm... yeah... in Bizarro World.
I'm still waiting for (Score:4, Funny)
Granted, it'll probably get sued by the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) who was recently sued by the WWF (World Wildlife Fund).
Even still, the Royal Rumble between Superman, Scooby Doo, Batman, the Penguin, Wonderwoman, Catwoman, and Tonya Harding, would be a truly kickass event.
New man of steel (Score:5, Insightful)
True enough, but I vote Bruce Campbell. Its all in the chin, baby.
Re:New man of steel (Score:4, Funny)
Hail to the King, baby.
Re:New man of steel (Score:3, Funny)
I'd go see any Superman film with the hero line:
Although I'd have a problem with Batman dancing around, singing "Little goody-two-shoes! Little goody-two-shoes!"
Hail to the king!! Mod parent up! (Score:2)
I'm with you on this one...
I can't think of a better post-modern super hero than Bruce Campbell. Heck, even the satiric edge we've all come to associate him with (army of darkness, et al) works perfectly! Come on, now that we're adults we shouldn't be eating chicken and stars soup and we shouldn't be expected to have a total suspension of disbelief...
P.S.- I do not work for progresso.
While we're on the WB... (Score:2)
Or Superman v. Evil Willow...
History Lesson (Score:3, Insightful)
Once upon a time nobody could see anybody but George Reeves playing Superman. A change in actors can be done successfully. Whether it will be done successfully is a whole other matter.
On the other hand, Batman has been played by a revolving door of actors since Keaton.
Matt Damon, not Michael Keaton (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Matt Damon, not Michael Keaton (Score:2)
Batman and Superman in the Dark Knight were OLD.
How about; Sean Connery (minus the accent) as Batman.
That'd be about as perfect as you could get.
Re:Matt Damon, not Michael Keaton (Score:3, Funny)
How about Clint Eastwood as the Dark Night - think "Unforgiven" - if it's to be anything like "The Fall".
Cheers,
Slak
Re:Matt Damon, not Michael Keaton (Score:2)
Yea, we want a real LAME MOVIE (Score:2)
While they're at it with "Superman v. Batman", why don't they throw in a few more lame scenarios, like:
Batman v. Spiderman
Spiderman v. Superman
Jaws v. Jurassic Park
Jason v. Freddy
Lara Croft v. Indianna Jones
Come one, does it get any lamer than this? Imagine what went through their minds when they came up with this one:
hmm...we could have another lame sequel that would make us a lot of money because people are stupid enough to keep coming back for more....or we could combine this movie with that movie to make a really lame movie that won't make sense and'll suck, but it'll bring in the fans from both series and make us gobs and gobs and gobs of money. Then we'll do a sequel.
Who cares? (Score:2)
Just looking at the way the live-action Batman movies WB has put out portrays the villans (the Joker, the Penguin, Mr. Freeze, Bane, Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Two-Face, etc.) and then looking at how those same characters have been done in the animated series... can anybody honestly tell me that they're really looking forward to another live-action movie? What they did to Mr. Freeze and Bane alone should be reason to shudder with fear...
The Great Carnak holds the envelope to his head... (Score:3, Funny)
"Name something that members of the Reeves family will never see again!"
begins chanting (Score:2)
I can't see the movie being half as good as an episode of Batman the Animated Series. The characters of Batman and Superman have such great depth, regretably some hollywierd casting director will pull a demographic move, rather than using real actors. Here's to holding out hope.
FOX could do it first (Score:2)
If not FOX, then a deathmatch [mtv.com] of course!
Don't fall for this! (Score:2, Funny)
Excelsior!
There is only one way this movie could work... (Score:2, Interesting)
Instead, they should develop the movie that gives you deeper insights into each character, taking the plot away from the 'whos gonna win?' direction. To put it another way: If you find out that Batman wins, it shouldn't ruin the movie for you.
With that said, why not explore what could possibly make these two guys fight? What kind of ethical questions would that provide for Superman? What could possibly happen to make the Man of Steel defeat somebody who, like himself, has made his life's work to protect people?
How would Batman feel about having the opportunity to deal the death blow to Superman? In light of how his parents were killed, how could he bring himself to destroy somebody that undoubtedly would have prevented it if he could?
They both had their parents killed tragically, they have that pain in common. Could they come to a resolution?
In any case, with questions like these (or hopefully more interesting ones, I am not a writer heh) the movie could actually be rather meaningful. If the movie tries to be like Spiderman and is written to show of using the latest effects to have two 'super humans' battle it out, then there's no way it's going to but much more than a jock flick.
I hope somebody puts some interesting thought into this. Both characters are deep enough that they could tell a fascinating story. This really is the type of movie that should be animated. It's hard to take a guy seriously when he's wearing bright blue underwear.
Christopher Reeve as Superman (Score:2)
It's kind of hard to imagine that people think Christopher Reeve is the only Superman. Christopher Reeve is not the first person to play Superman and he will not be the last.
However, I do think he's played Superman the best out of all of them.
To paraphrase The Onion... (Score:2, Funny)
A "World's Finest" type movie is more likely. (Score:2)
Reel 1: Batman and Superman cross paths, get in each other's way and fight, messing each other up but neither taking home a definitive win. Kiss another Batplane goodbye.
Reel 2: Villians gang up on Batman and Superman.
Reel 3: Batman and Superman team up and defeat villians.
For a good idea of what I mean, see the 3-part World's Finest comic that Steve Rude illustrated for DC a few years back. It rocked.
Of course, for Joe Sixpack, "Batman vs. Superman" is a better title than "World's Finest," since Joe Sixpack doesn't get the reference to the old teamup title from the fifties.
Lastly, while I wish Christopher Reeve all the best, he wasn't the first actor to play Superman, and he won't be the last. It might be nice to get Gene Hackman back as Lex Luthor, though.
Jon Acheson
World's Finest (Score:5, Interesting)
Wouldn't a World's Finest be better than a Superman vs. Batman? Imagine the scenario where Lex Luthor goes to Gotham and The Joker goes to Metropolis. Both would create a huge ruckus as the cities' respective guardians don't know how to handle the villain. A Batman-Luthor dialogue would be great. Superman failing to understand The Joker's psychotic behavior would be interesting as well. Then finally the two heroes get together and beat the two villains. You would also exploit some great Bruce Wayne-Clark Kent scenes.
Superman is a fairly boring hero. He either is going to kick everyone's butt because he is just plain so Uber (pun intended), or someone is going to bust green kryptonite on his butt. Batman is just a normal guy who's completely obsessed with getting the bad guy in any way he can. A Batman-Superman battle would all revolve around the kryptonite.
Trying hard NOT to sound like the Simpsons Comic Book Guy, but I have the feeling that I'll be disappointed with the movie. It'll be easy for Hollywood to screw it up.
Choosing the Wrong Batman (Score:3, Funny)
Christopher Reeve vs. Michal Keaton is a nobrainer fight...
Now... Christopher Reeve vs Adam West... Now that I might wager money on...
Just as long as West never kept any of his "Bat-Shark Repellant" or "Bat-Gas" or "Bat-Enemas".
Good vs. Good??? (Score:3, Insightful)
Old News (Score:3, Insightful)
Now for an on topic comment: haven't we had enough comic book hero movies for one life time? The answer seems to be no, as it was first Superman, then Batman, and now Spider-Man who have repeatedly broken box office records every time a new one is released.
Now the bad news: we all have to wait two years for the movie to develop. So why is it such big news now?
You know who'd be perfect for the Superman role? (Score:3, Interesting)
Our own dear Wil Wheaton [wilwheaton.net].
Think about it. He's handsome in a boy-next-door Young Republican poster kind of way, he has the correct wholesome, too good to be true, "I'll save-the-day" associations in the public consciousness, he can actually act, he has geek appeal, and he looks good in a skin tight unitard.
Petition here [freepetitions.com].
Probably asked many times already, but... (Score:2)
Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman? (Score:5, Insightful)
Thats why I think this movie will be a bad idea, it cannot cature to both the hardcore comic readers and the common public. The actual comic readers would know that Batman would most likely win (or at least kick the daylights out of superman) while the common public wont be able to get past the idea that since superman has powers and batman does not, then it will be an easy victory for superman.
Comprimise (Score:2)
I suggest that a comprimise already exists lower down the discussion page: Cast Bruce Campbell as Superman.
This will effectively allow you to please everyone. Batman can beat the daylights out of Bruce, and in the end Bruce can dispatch Batman using a chainsaw or shotgun and make a smart-alec quip. Viola, the general public gets what it expects and all the hardcore fans will be too busy messing themselves to care about what would "really" happen.
Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman? (Score:2)
Batman hides in some buildings,
Superman uses his x-ray vision,
x-ray-seeking missile auto-launches carrying warhead of synthesized kryptonite as Bruce comments how many years and how much money it cost to make. .
Clark gets creamed.
Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman? (Score:2)
Superman is a genius intellect and partially a product of an advanced race and civilization. He's able to make an enormous number of decisions at nearly the speed of light (move at near the speed of light, and you kinda need to be able to think that quickly as well). Time and again in the cartoons and comics, supervillains neutralize Superman's physical advantages, and Superman has to instead outsmart them.
So we can see after years of evidence that he's this world-class intellect, yet Batman is going to defeat Superman's nearly invincible physical attributes. That's just contrived nonsense. You'd think by now that Superman would be paranoid when entering a situation where he might be trapped in closed quarters with someone bearing Kryptonite. But no, X-Ray vision and all, he's going to walk right into it once again. Ugh, it's just awful.
Good is dumb (Score:2)
You're forgetting that Superman is a goody-goody and Batman kind of has a dark, evil side to him. And as Dark Helmet would say "Evil will always defeat good because good is dumb."
GMD
Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman? (Score:4, Interesting)
That's always been a problem for the Superman scriptwriters - how to make _anything_ be a challenge, since over the years since the comic strip started (around 1930?) they've attributed so much strength and so many abilities to him that anything short of a galaxy-sized black hole ought to be easy. He's the irresistible force and the immovable object. And if he screws up and lets something bad happen without being there to stop it, he can just fly faster than light to reverse time. You'd think his only real problem would be keeping his personal organizer up to date (08:45 save Lois from bad guy 1, 08:50 save the world from bad guy 2, 08:55 pick up a mugger from the alley and drop him off at Sing Sing, 09:00 put in an appearance in civies as the mild mannered reporter who missed all the fun again, 09:05 save Lois again...)
So how is Batman, who is just a human being with really nice toys, going to face Superman? Yawn, kryptonite again. Obviously that stuff deadens his brain long before he comes close enough to lose his strength, otherwise he'd have learned not to fall for it every time. And it's easy to find green kryptonite on earth, even for convicts on the run from the law, let alone billionaires.
IIRC, someone once calculated from the quantities of kryptonite that have turned up on Earth and the inverse square law, that Krypton must have been so massive it collapsed into a black hole.
Re:Someone tell me how Batman could beat Superman? (Score:2)
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won) (Score:5, Insightful)
Check out "The Dark Knight Returns", where Batman defeats Superman (using some Kryptonite, btw.)
Miller (the author) got it right; Batman is the world's greatest detective mind (nevermind one of the top martial artists in the world), and basically an all around genius.
Might might be right, but only when the dude holding the might doesn't get outsmarted, as Superman did in "The Dark Knight Returns"
Batman is the coolest superhero ever. Why? No superpowers. Brains, altheticism, and a raging case of vengance. What can be more powerful than that?
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won) (Score:3, Funny)
SirSlud writes: Check out "The Dark Knight Returns", where Batman defeats Superman (using some Kryptonite, btw.)
Cool. So Christopher Reeve can play Superman after all.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won) (Score:2)
IIRC, Superman did not lose - he and Batman colluded; Batman had a faked death, and came out of a drug-induced catelepsy in the grave (was later dug up by his trusty butler).
Brains vs. Brawn (Score:2)
If you recall when Batman first fought the leader of the Mutants gang, same 4 issue series, he got his butt kicked and barely got away. Next time he used his brains to win (also, just barely). Seems Bats relies a bit more on luck, as he pretty much needs to.
About there my reading of the whole thing ended, but in another setting (i.e. not during the era of a 60-something Batman) it would have to be something of a political nature, to make any sense and be somewhat consistent with the current direction of both comics, BUT(!), never rule out the possibility (and entire likelihood) that Hollywood comes through and places both characters completely at odds with everything they have been and pull some lame (i.e. Dallas' Bobby Ewing's death dream) story, which is totally full of holes and dismisses generations of fans opinion of "how things should be" (a la Mission Impossible movie, bleahh(!))
Now, what I'd like to know is when there's going to be an Aliens vs Predator movie (yeah, been comics and books, but it could still be pretty darn cool) if done well and with a decent director (paging Ridley Scot, paging Ridley Scott!) 8-)
Re:Brains vs. Brawn (Score:2)
They always need to dumb down the story to appeal to a wider audience, and this will always burn the purists like me. (Well, okay, not _always always_, but a good 95% of the time.) When they do maintain the integrity of the comic (like Ghost World), they're too scared of mass marketing it, and nobody sees it.
Re:Brains vs. Brawn (Score:5, Insightful)
Batman's big beef against Superman in the Dark Knight series was that Superman was a bit too boy-scouty, a bit too flag-wavingly patriotic. Too much of a political tool. Too much Law and Order, not enough Justice. Batman was perceived to have "crossed the line" and Superman was sent to reign him in.
In this post 9/11 PATRIOT Act Globalization Corporate Facism Goth/geek-profiling-from-Columbine-aftermath world (heh, I beat Jon Katz to the punch with THAT one) - there's EXCELLENT fodder for political commentary. Too bad the spineless wussies will probably shelve that idea.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won) (Score:2, Interesting)
Superman is a sissy.. never kills anyone, and when he does, he makes a drama out of it. And besides, it's too much like Captain America.. he's too.. american
Batman just plain rocks.. and Alan Grant was did the best scripts for it.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won) (Score:2)
Effective tactics for Superman: Zip up to Batman at light speed and make balloon animals out of his small intestines tied together with his spinal cord. Do this very quickly -- preferably while the "get kryptonite from utility belt" message is still en route from Batman's brain to his hand.
But nooo... He's just got to showboat. That, plus a certain amount of writer irony, is what gets him in trouble.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won) (Score:2)
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won) (Score:3, Informative)
Superman had just recently been at ground zero of a multi-megaton nuclear bomb, one that kicked up enough dust that there was next to no sunlight getting through to the earth. Being that sunlight is what powers Superman, he was in a weakened condition to begin with.
Plus, Superman didn't actually want to kill Batman - he was just there to "bring him in", and considering that Batman was in his elder years in the DKR, Superman was probably holding back considerably.
Mix this with Batman being in a veritable tank of a suit and using Superman's known weaknesses (such as they are) including electricity, sonics, and of course kryptonite (which in the words of the comic "The stuff took years and millions of dollars to synthesize, but luckily I had both")
Put it all together and you wound up with a situation where Batman could beat Superman.. if only just barely.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won) (Score:2)
Batman is vengeful but ethical. Much more interesting than some trigger happy vigilante.
Re:How is this a fight? (Hint: it was, Batman won) (Score:4, Funny)
Don't tell anyone.
Re:How is this a fight? (Score:4, Funny)
1. Time travel gives him an advantage.
2. The work required to accelerate an object with mass to the speed of light is infinite. So Superman isn't just "Really REALLY strong", he's "REALLY REALLY REALLY..." strong.
3. The universe doesn't seem to mind when Superman breaks the laws of physics.
Re:How is this a fight? (Score:5, Insightful)
Basically while Super Man is the definition of pure physical strength, Batman is the definition of pure cunning. Batman was a loner always, even when fighting for good, and as such mistrusted even his "super" friends, and was always ready to cover his own ass first if need be.
Re:How is this a fight? (Score:2)
Re:How is this a fight? (Score:2)
Re:This can't be good (Score:2)
That was probably just a rumor though. I'm sure the next movie will just be more CGI filled hollywood crap.
Re:This can't be good (Score:3, Interesting)
It is an adaptation of the Frank Miller re-telling of the Batman origin story. Also note that Miller (author of "The Dark Knight Returns" that many have mentioned in this discussion) shares screenplay and story writing credits at the IMDB page posted.
Re:this is the second time around... (Score:2)
-B
Re:Keaton? (Score:2)
Personally, I'd like to see The Rock in this film - I think he'd make a great Batman,
You sir have made me violently ill with such a comment. The rock deserves a role commensurate to his acting skill and mental prowess. Yes, scrubbing my toilet for the rest of his life seems appropriate to me.
Re:Gnutella developer Gene Kan, 25, commits suicid (Score:2)
I was only wondering; tech/poli site like slashdot surely would be interested in knowing if part of Kan's disillusionment with this life had anything to do with the corperate reaction to the technologies he worked on so hard?
There's a big difference between somebody who commits suicide because they are simply clinically depressed (which might be the case with Kan, I guess we'll never get to know) or whether they are actually (re)acting, in part, on account of external forces.
Re:Gnutella developer Gene Kan, 25, commits suicid (Score:2)
Re:Batman v. Superman in The Dark Knight Returns (Score:2)
I doubt this movie will do the Batman vs Superman battle as well as Miller did. We'll see.
Re:impossible! (Score:2)
Matt Damon will star (Score:2)
The IMDB is reporting [imdb.com] that Matt Damon will probably be in it and get to choose which superhero he wants to be.
GMD
Re:Dyslexia? (Score:2)
That's what they're fighting about.
"Hey, Fatman, I should get top billing."
"No way, Stuperman, I should."
"Nuh-uh!"
"Uh-huh!"
Great idea, here's the script... (Score:2)
Superman: Enough with the bad jokes! Nobody gave you a kryptonite wheelchair.
Batman: That's because I'm rich and powerful, and can afford the best, while you're just a pansie who thinks he can fly.
Superman: I coud fly... and you're the one named after a flying rat. Why can't you get off the ground without help?
Batman: At least I can get out of bed without help.
And so on....