New Trailer For The Two Towers 405
Drakkar writes "As most of you know, the new trailer for the Two Towers was online last night for AOL users, but the link was given on the official site, LordofTheRings.net. It's in real player format. A new trailer with higher quality will be up tonight, midnight ET.
This new piece of film is awesome. (the song at the end of the trailer isn't from the TTT soundtrack, it's from the movie Requiem for a Dream)" xTK-421x points to more links: "Now available is the new 3 minute trailer for Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. Available here in MOV and here in RM. Reported first at Aint It Cool News."
holy bandwidth, batman (Score:3, Funny)
Re:holy bandwidth, batman (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:holy bandwidth, batman (Score:2, Informative)
Re:holy bandwidth, batman (Score:2)
not so impressive (Score:2, Funny)
Re:not so impressive (Score:2, Informative)
Just as with the upcoming "The Two Towers", there is more work (largely effects and editing) to be completed on "Return of the King" before its late 2003 release.
Re:not so impressive (Score:3, Funny)
Gasp! It's Tolkein himself, posting from the grave!
Re:not so impressive (Score:2)
Who says he's talking about the Peter Jackson version of Return of the King? ;)
* Starts humming 'Frodo of the nine fingers, and the ring of dooooom....'
Nathan
Re:not so impressive (Score:2)
Yippeee! (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Yippeee! (Score:2)
Seriously - from the screenshots I've seen, it looks like Stormfront has done a decent job. Best of luck on the game's release.
Hi-Res Trailer (Score:2, Flamebait)
-Sean
Re:Hi-Res Trailer (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Hi-Res Trailer (Score:2)
-Sean
music (Score:2, Informative)
Re:music (Score:2)
What format (Score:3, Insightful)
After the amount of junk the players for both of those installed on my machine last time I tried them I won't have them on my machine.
Anyone know any software for windows that will play either of those formats without installing a whole load of junk as well?
Re:What format (Score:3, Insightful)
VM Ware
Then have as many virtual Windows sessions as you like, crap be-gone.
Or...
Linux
Crossweavers
Or...
Linux
Real Media on a temporary account.
Or...
Wait, you don't have options in the Winders werld...
Re:What format (Score:2)
Re:What format (Score:2)
In parallel with that trend are the number of posters who feel its a good idea to tell another poster to "shut the hell up".
Such bold-faced flaming is simply out of line.
Lets play nice.
Re:What format (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Why not MPEG? (Re:What format) (Score:2)
The answer is simple: Copy restriction. I've downloaded Quicktime trailers before, only to find that I couldn't even take a [i]screenshot[/i] from them. Pity. One of the movies was fimled next door to my house. I wanted to show my friends that, but thanks to QT's copy protection, I was unable to do that. (bye bye fair use...)
Is it right? No. But you have your answer. They think that the release of the trailer will spell death to the industry if people *gasp* can open it in Premiere.
Re:Why not MPEG? (Re:What format) (Score:2)
Asking too much... (Score:2)
I've never heard of Windows software that will do anything without installing a whole load of additional junk.
Two Towers: Now In Convenient Book Form! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Two Towers: Now In Convenient Book Form! (Score:2)
That or I am just too lazy to read the books right now.
Frame by Frame (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.theonering.net/movie/preview/ttt_09300
Additionally there is official frame by frame footage available at Lordoftherings.net [lordoftherings.net]
What was wrong with the old trailer? (Score:5, Funny)
Seems like it would just be easier to just screw the trailer and leave the towers in the same spot.
Re:What was wrong with the old trailer? (Score:2)
>two towers anyway?
It's all about having the proper henchman [nodwick.com].
-l
The First glimpses... (Score:5, Interesting)
Of Gandalf's new kickass horse
Of how Gollum compares to the hobbits in size (he is smaller)
Of Treebeard
Even the eye looks slightly different this time.
Re:The First glimpses... (Score:2, Interesting)
the warg riding orcs are bad ass and so was the half second clip of hte elephant, i'm already impressed (never ever ever happens by a trailer) and for hte first time in a long time i'm actually looking forward to seeing a movie
it's about fucking time good old school fantasy gets made into quality movies
Re:The First glimpses... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:The First glimpses... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The First glimpses... (Score:2)
My personal feeling is that smeagol is some kind of proto-Hobbit.
Re:The First glimpses... (Score:2)
Relevant quote is from Gandalf, in LotR I 2 The Shadow of the Past: "I guess they were of hobbit-kind, akin to the fathers of the fathers of the Stoors". Gollum's only about 600 years old; not old enough to be merely "hobbit-like" instead of "hobbit".
Page numbers would be silly; everyone has a different edition.
Re:The First glimpses... (Score:2)
Re:The First glimpses... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:The First glimpses... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:The First glimpses... (Score:2)
I could be off (it's been a while since I read it myself), but I seem to remember that it's in the first book somewhere.
Re:The First glimpses... (Score:2)
http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/g/gollum.html
I guess ultimately how you interpret that determines if he is a Hobbit or not, I personally believe that seeing as Stoors as the ancestors of Hobbits (bulkier for instance than "modern" hobbits) and that Smeagol is much older than the Stoors even, that he is a proto-Hobbit, like Homo Erectus is to us, and not a Hobbit in the sense of of being the same as Sam or Bilbo or friends. thanks
Re:Uh, NO! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:The First glimpses... (Score:2)
So....guess we don't know, but there are clues, iirc, that he probably was one, at one time.
Re:Good old school fantasy made into good movies. (Score:2)
I couldn't even read through your whole post . . . (Score:2, Funny)
The music is Paul Oakenfold (Score:2, Interesting)
It was indeed used in Requiem.
Re:The music is Paul Oakenfold (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The music is Paul Oakenfold (Score:5, Interesting)
Triv
Paul Oakenfold? (Score:2)
Re:The music is Paul Oakenfold (Score:2)
AFAIK Oakenfold's work is a remix.
Many previews use old soundtracks ("Bishop's Countdown" being the best example) that aren't in the final film, but this one sounded to me like an orchestra performance and not the Kronos original.
Re:The music is Paul Oakenfold (Score:2)
It is pretty common for movie houses to temporarily score films with off-the-shelf music (how many trailers have you seen using music from Carmina Burana, for example...) until the real score is ready, since it's tough to score a film without having it mostly editted so the score follows the action on the screen. Trailers will often use this temporary score, or use some other piece of off-the-shelf music.
Useless trivia: The score in 2001: A Space Odyssey is supposedly this temporary score. They'd hired a composer to do an original score for the movie, and the composer annoyed Kubrick, so they decided to stick with the classical pieces they'd chosen for the temporary score.
I can't begin to imagine the monolith without "Also Sprach Zarathustra"...
Re:The music is Paul Oakenfold (Score:4, Informative)
Paul Oakenfold owes a debt then to Clint Mansell (former Pop Will Eat Itself frontman) and the Kronos Quartet, who originally composed and performed all of the themes used in Requiem for a Dream. Oakenfold used their music, they didn't use his.
In fact, there's a remix album [clintatthecontrols.com] for Requiem For A Dream's soundtrack coming out this October, which features a track by Oakenfold.
As an aside: The original promotional website [requiemforadream.com] for Requiem for a Dream is one of the best flash sites ever produced, and it's still up as of this writing.
Re:The music is Paul Oakenfold (Score:2)
Spoilers (Score:3, Informative)
*SPOILER WARNING*
It's got the group meeting Gandalf again, Gandalf talking with the king, the city evacuating and going to war at helm's deep, it's got gollum attacking frodo and slam, then eventually leading them to mordor. and more.
*END SPOILER*
I mean, way to lone gunmen are dead the thing.
Re:Spoilers (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Spoilers (Score:2)
You people aren't doing your jobs. (Score:4, Funny)
You people are slacking! That site should have been
Re:You people aren't doing your jobs. (Score:2)
Looking forward to this one! (Score:2)
The fact that the plots in both movies were without gaping holes also contributed to a good experience.
Re:Looking forward to this one! (Score:2)
I don't remember any character development in FotR. Was it during one of the fight scenes?
TWW
Re:Looking forward to this one! (Score:2)
The best part was playing "spot the building", since I live in Sydney.
And Three Seconds Later... (Score:3, Funny)
Not interested in trailers, thanks... (Score:2, Interesting)
I want my first sight of a great movie to actually be _in_ the movie theatre when it starts to roll. Am I weird?
See the whole movie using your computer! (Score:5, Funny)
streaming soundtrack (Score:2)
Don't give the copyright industry any money. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Don't give the copyright industry any money. (Score:5, Funny)
I'll happily donate my $7.50 if I can be assured that your computer will be among the first to go.
Nitwit.
Two Towers & 9-11 (Score:2)
For a while there it was hard to watch movies like Independence Day or Star Wars and not think of 9-11.
Hold on Bucko (Score:4, Insightful)
Star Wars?
You know, there are just some people who WANT to be reminded, and any excuse to be reminded will do it for them.
When you lose someone you care about, everything reminds you of them, even things that make absolutely no sense as something to trigger the memory.
Personally, I would have taken as an insult to Americans and the human race if he had changed the title of The Two Towers. Why? Simple, it would have been claiming we can't heal. It would be announcing to the world that Jackson didn't think Americans could recover from tragedy.
You know what? In the grand scheme of things, 9-11 was NOT that massive a disaster. True, it killed thousands of people, and yes it changed the country, but worse things happen all over the world, and the rest of the planet recovers. The people learn to live life without the people they lost. Did you hear about the recent bout of floods in China? How about the starvation that's ravaging Africa? Hell, what about AIDS in Africa. Yes, losing over 3,000 people in one day is terrible, but it happens all over the world. Americans are just too ethnocentric to see the rest of the planet as anything other than the Disney / Hollywood sanitized tourist attraction on TV. Terrorism is nothing new, it's as old as human conflict. Human conflict has been going on since the dawn of the species itself. From the moment our ancestors first picked up a weapon in the Fertile Crescent, we've been killing each other.
Clearchannel releasing a list of songs that might offend, people being chastised for speaking out against the ongoing war and every other patronizing thing that's been going on disgusts me.
People don't heal or recover from emotional trauma if they don't face reality. Those who retreat into a shell where all traumatic stimulus is hidden wither and die.
There were times in the last year where I saw the entire country morphing into Ms. Havisham from Great Expectations. Unable to deal with the groom running away on her wedding day, she locks herself in her room and never emerges. She withers and dies in her wedding gown. The windows are shut and the curtains sealed to prevent light from entering. She froze herself and her memories at a time just before her loss, when she was still filled with the promise of marriage and a family.
Erasing the WTC from photos and movies, pretending it didn't exist, is no different than what Ms. Havisham did. It's hiding from reality, letting the wounds fester. We've been bitten by a rattlesnake and are refusing to drain the poison. Refusing to think about what has happened, the poison works its way into our blood and kills us.
We have to face reality, and that means picking up the things we enjoyed before the disaster and enjoying them again. If a man loses his wife, he can't shut himself up forever and never see the sun again.
Yes, changing the name of a movie is a small thing in the grand scheme of things, but it is one step on a road we must not take.
The saying "That which does not kill us makes us stronger" is more true than people realize. Physically, most the country is unharmed, but if we crawl into holes and let our liberties be drained away and our lives become a mass of traumatic material that must be avoided, we will wither and die. The events will not have made us stronger. We will have died inside.
And you consider yourself LOTR geeks! (Score:2, Insightful)
Of course, this may have been discussed in one of the previous umpteen LOTR threads I have completely ignored.
Gandalf in the Trailer? (Score:5, Interesting)
Is anyone else horribly dissappointed at further appearances of Gandalf in the trailers? The first one I saw showed him for a split second and then focused on the other characters in astonishment to see Gandalf. It left some suspicion as to what was actually happening with Gandalf, although it revealed more than I would have preferred (for other people, since I already know what happens). I was unhappy to see that in the preview, but figured that perhaps not all was lost. However, this trailer clearly shows that Gandalf has indeed returned, after seemingly falling/fighting to his death. It seems like it is a huge spoiler for anyone who hasn't read the books yet, and although it might bring in just a few more ticket sales, the experience that could have been felt at seeing Gandalf return has now been lost. I am extremely dissappointed to see this in the trailer, anyone else have any thoughts on this?
On another note that people have been discussing thus far, I am happy with the story taking place in the movie versus the story taking place in the book. I was discussing this with the group of friends that I went to see the 12:01 showing of FOTR with - that the story that the movie tells doesn't necessarily need to mirror the story told in the book. We came to this conclusion because the gist of the LOTR as well as other stories of similar-type eras is relatively constant. There is good and evil, heroes and villains, battling, love stories, history (of conflict, of development) etc. What then makes a good story is how you tell your particular interpretation of a particular set of events of the era (or of a particular setting - ie think of multiple copies of the same universe, taking on different courses of events to conclude on different worlds with different races, towns, events, goods, evils, etc but still with the same themes at heart as the other worlds). So, the fact that Peter Jackson hasn't mirrored the exact events, settings, and dialogues of the actual LOTR book is not a problem, because although he is basing his interpretation on the sum whole of events in the LOTR book, he is actually making mild interpretations of the world at hand, but still working the same main themes, just with a slight Peter Jackson touch. The movies are not necessarily supposed to be Tolkein's LOTR on screen, they are supposed to be the LOTR story told on screen by Peter Jackson based on Tolkein's interpretation of LOTR ideas and events (since, really, the LOTR story is not Tolkein's, he just provided his grand interpretation and visualization of events that so many people have thought about). Not that I'm knocking Tolkein down or anything, I think he did a great job, I just think that comments on the movie like "he missed this" or "the book wasn't like that" are fruitless - pointless, even. Anyone else want to comment?
Re:This *would be* exciting (Score:2, Interesting)
Explain all the Elrond stuff. He is not in TTT (book) much as you might remember. A siege of Rivendell? That would be a big addition & change!
Re:This *would be* exciting (Score:5, Informative)
--Atlantix
Re:This *would be* exciting (Score:2, Funny)
Unless Sauron is....KEISER SOZYE!!!!!!
Cheers,
DT
Re:This *would be* exciting (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Please excuse my ignorance.... (Score:5, Informative)
The Hobbit (or as it was also titled as "There and Back Again) was written in 1937
The Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers were written in 1954 and Return of the King was in 1955.
So no, the name has nothing to do with 9/11. The two towers are referring to the two towers mentioned in the whole of the LotR trilogy.
All this information and more is available from www.tolkiensociety.org/tolkien/biblio_frame.html
Re:Please excuse my ignorance.... (Score:2)
The two towers were Orthanc and Minas Morgoul. I don't have the book with me to check spelling, but they are NOT, repeat NOT Orthanc and Barad-dur, as a previous trailer had stated.
The events of the 3rd and 4th books in the 2nd volume in the six book long novel entitled the lord of the rings deal with the dealings with sarumon the white, his orcs, his seige of Helm's Deep, Gandalf's confrontation with him, and the recovering of mary and pippen (3rd book) and the trials of Frodo and Sam as they pass into the land of mordor, via the pass of Cirith Ungol, in the tower of Minas Morgual, which used to be minas anor? I believe, which is one of the two remaining strongholds of the city of Osgalith, the other (directly across the river, with osgalith in between) being Minas Tirith (4th book).
Silly movie.
Re:Please excuse my ignorance.... (Score:2)
Re:Please excuse my ignorance.... (Score:2)
Trrooooollllll.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Don't blow your wad, it's just a trailer (Score:4, Funny)
Deserves excitment! I daresay this trailer does. Many that are geeks deserve excitement. And some that are sarcastic deserve being treated as a naysayer. Can you not give it a rest? Do not be too eager to deal out sarcasm in judgment. For even the very wise sometimes cannot "get it."
Re:Don't blow your wad, it's just a trailer (Score:2)
Re:Don't blow your wad, it's just a trailer (Score:5, Informative)
Well a movie that is worth going out to the theatre to watch is a big event in itself. The MPAA keep blaming piracy and P2P for their lower revenues, but they fail to take into account that every good movie made generated a buttload of cash (spiderman, monsters inc, LOTR I, etc).
Theatres wouldn't be dying off slowly if they would have more QUALITY content making the trip worth to see and making good use of "the big screen". I used to go to the movies every week before, now it's about once per 3 months. The quality dropped, so had my support for the movie industry.
LOTR II will be a movie that not only I'll go see, but I'll do like I did for monsters inc, shreck and LOTR I, I'll organise an office group to go watch it altogether and have a beer before or after. At least I'm sure I won't have people bitching that I made them lose a night with that movie
Before they get to that... (new domain name) (Score:2, Interesting)
I'd rather see them not even use domain names at all, and instead follow Sony Pictures [sonypictures.com]' example of placing all their movie sites under the studio's domain.
Instead, I'd like to see them add a domain ".dum" for all stupid websites.
Let me say, though, that I think your post was quite on-topic, insofar as the original post was of interest to
Re:I dunno (Score:2, Redundant)
I did, however, watch it now that it's out on DVD. Honestly, it just didn't do much for me. Before I get slammed by people for saying that, let me qualify:
It was a very well put-together production. Perfectly good acting, special effects, and the whole nine yards. Like the book, there are great lessons taught in the film. (Certainly, the whole theme of "power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely" runs throughout.)
I just generally dislike the "fantasy" genre, because we're forced to suspend all rational belief through the whole thing. Unlike sci-fi, where it's easy to say "Well, all of this simply happened on another planet we haven't discovered yet." - they have us believe that this world existed on *our own planet*, yet humans never realized it was there.
Somehow, this ruins some of the enjoyment for me, whether it's in book form or a movie. (It's sort of like the stereotypical "action movie" where the hero does so many unbelievable stunts that after 30 minutes, it makes the whole movie "cheesy" - no matter what else is good about it.)
I don't think you should ever ask the reader, or audience, to "swallow" excessive amounts of impossibility. Instead of insulting our intelligence, create a background for the tale that gives our minds a way to justify its existance.
Dragons and gargoyles are cool-looking creatures, and make good children's stories, but beyond that - you just need a little more "substance" to keep us believing in them.
Re:I dunno (Score:5, Interesting)
while I was reading the books, I always got the impression that Tolkien wanted us to immerse ourselves in the belief that this was a "forgotten" prehistory. That maybe a long time ago, before our current history was written, this was the way that things were, and that we are the eventual outcome of everything happening. "The time of elves is gone, it is to men that we now give our hope". Him talking about an Oliphant as a gargantuan trunked creature whose relatives still live today was plain enough. For fun, I've tried to matchup the map he drew of his world and ours, and tried to place it. The closest I've come has been maybe someplace in northern/western africa.
Re:I dunno (Score:3, Interesting)
Now, looking at the Middle Earth maps, and trying to figure out the scale, would that put Lonely Mountain soewhere near Berlin, and Mt Doom somewhere around Belgrade?
Of course, after I wrote all this, I did a simple search, and came up with this map, which centers Hobbiton on Oxford, England. It indeed places Mt Doom near Belgrade, but puts Mt Doom somewhere in Western Poland.
http://people.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~lalaith/Tolkie n/Grid.html [netsurf.de]
Of course, I've seen some other pages where they skew distances a bit further, and try to place Lonely Mountain near Moscow, and Mount Doom near Jerusalem.... and another page with someone even saying that Mt Doom, accounting for millenia of continental drift, is near modern day Baghdad.
I prefer the theory of the page I linked to....
Re:I dunno (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I dunno (Score:2)
You're familiar with the concept of multiple realities, yes?
Most good fantasies take place in realms that can only be alternate realities--as far away from Earth as the worlds of Star Wars. The rules are different, but there are rules, and it's fairly simple to say "all of this is happening in a reality very different from our own" if you must.
Two rules that should be legally enforced for fantasy: (1) Do not set it on Earth unless it's really set on a well-researched Earth. (2) set your rules, abide by them, and never let "it's magic!" or "it's just fantasy" form in your thoughts.
Dragons and gargoyles are cool-looking creatures, and make good children's stories, but beyond that - you just need a little more "substance" to keep us believing in them.
Are you a fan of science fiction? I've seen some things (2001, Contact, etc.) that are far less believeable than even most bad fantasy.
Re:Bah! (Score:2)
Re:Really? No Quicktime? (Score:2)
you're welcome
Re:As most of you know... (Score:4, Informative)
Just to set the record straight, this was totally proven false a hundred times over, most notably by Ain't it Cool News [aintitcool.com] (I would provide a direct link to the article, but their site is refusing connections right now). This was a result of some media idiot claiming it was on Kazaa or some such thing only because he or one of his aides saw it on a listing (i.e. didn't check to see if it was actually the movie). Besides, as others have said, watching a movie on a shitty monitor is a waste of time.
On the bright side, searching for 'two towers' on p2p brings up some substantially interesting pr0n.
Re:ents? (Score:5, Funny)
> going to leave out the ents.
Actually, Gimli chops them all up and burns them all to roast fresh orc for dinner.
> Also, rumors abound regarding other aspects of
> the movie.
> Is it true that Merry and Pippin are going to be
> portrayed smoking "Shire leaf" out of some
> sort of a water pipe?
Actually, in the end of Return of the King, they actually return to their jobs as hemp farmers and Pippin does not, in fact, become Thain.
> Will Legolas be killed, his death avenged by an
> enraged Gimli?
No, they both die together at Helms deep, shortly after the orc eating scene above.
> Will there really be a love scene between
> Samwise and Mr. Frodo?
Actually, they cancelled the Arwen - Aragorn marriage and are replacing it with a Frodo - Samwise "domestic partnership agreement".
> Thanks for any clues.
Hope that clears some things up. Hope there weren't any real bad spoilers for you.
Re:Evil MPAA? (Score:2)
Re:Evil MPAA? (Score:2)
You forgot May 25th, 2005. They're okay then too.
--trb
Re:Evil MPAA? (Score:2)
Today is a Monday. The MPAA isn't evil on Mondays.
Re:Evil MPAA? (Score:2)
Re:Evil MPAA? (Score:2)
Nope. Tuesday's gone (with the wind).
o
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(Thinks: No-one on
(Lynyrd Skynrd reference like that. Sigh )
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Re:Gandalf the White (Score:2)
I think it's not at all unusual for the entertainment industry to do this. If a favorite character is coming back, more people are likely to come watch if they know about it and if they're curious about how it happens.
Re:Speaking of trailer music.. (Score:2)