Power Laws, Weblogs, and Your Given Name 449
gummint writes "After contemplating the blogsphere and pondering whether "diversity plus freedom of choice creates inequality", consider an old-media domain name: the one your parents gave you. How did they choose it? How many other persons have the same one? Get some facts, or a lot of facts. Or just comment anyway. The good news is that the extent of inequality can change massively over time: the popularity of the most popular given names has decreased dramatically since the Industrial Revolution."
Names (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Names (Score:2)
Screw my given name (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Screw my given name (Score:5, Informative)
Previously in Belgium, you had to use a name from an approved list, which means that if you were dual nationality Belgium/Spanish, Miguel would become Michell, or Santiago may become James.. (Im not positive what santiago would become, its just an example)....
but anyway, in many places, I dont think you can actually change your name to: qwrtpsdfghjklñzxcvbnm....
But then Cher has done well.. I should change mine to "Z", just like MIB...
Re:Screw my given name (Score:4, Funny)
Make it all vowels. With no vowels, people will just assume you're Polish.
Besides, AaaaaaaaaiiiIiiiIIEeeeeeEEE is a great name.
-JDF
Re:Screw my given name (Score:4, Interesting)
And I've met Samoans whose names were entire sentences. Fa'alelalolagi (like that which is below the heavens, I think).
Re:Screw my given name (Score:2)
Re:Screw my given name (Score:2)
Re:Screw my given name (Score:4, Funny)
The Cheat is to the limit.
Re:Screw my given name (Score:2)
Re:Screw my given name (Score:2)
I'll still pronounce it the same, but it would mean I'd have pigeon-hole to myself.
Given Names and Media (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Given Names and Media (Score:2)
Data from the government (Score:5, Informative)
Sort by decade or year of birth. Pretty interesting, imo. It's fun to watch which names stay on the top 10 for decades in a row and which were popular at one point and then declined dramatically.
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The Rise of Ryan (Score:4, Interesting)
I was born in 1974. I wonder what happened in the 1950s - 1960s that caused such an upswing? I can't think of any popular celebrities named Ryan from that era. Any insights?
Re:The Rise of Ryan (Score:3, Funny)
It's that blasted Private Ryan.
My name has stuck consistently in the 45-50 range... Strange. The name I have picked for my son when he comes (in a few years, hopefully no sooner) I plugged in and in the last 10 years has gone from Rank #846 to #372... It's a Japanese name, and I'm curious about the upswing on that as well.
Re:The Rise of Ryan (Score:2, Funny)
Re:The Rise of Ryan (Score:2)
Re:The Rise of Ryan (Score:2)
The first link I found with any info claims it premiered in 1975. Not much reason to question that there isn't much incentive to spread disinfo about soap premieres (!).
Wasn't there a Ryan aircraft manufacturing company? A lot of WWII pilots and crew were very fond of their planes and would attribute their survival to the quality of their craft. Perhaps WWII fathers chose to thank the company by naming a son after it, and then it just took off from there. Pun intended. Why do people apologize for puns anyway?
Re:The Rise of Michael (Score:2)
Re:The Rise of Ryan (Score:2)
Drugs. Lots of drugs.
Re:The Rise of Ryan (Score:2)
Re:Data from the government (Score:5, Interesting)
Favorite stat from 10 seconds of perusal:
Popularity of the name Trinity:
Year of birth Rank
2001 67
2000 74
1999 216
1998 555
1997 547
1996 687
1995 683
1994 821
1993 951
Curious, isn't it. Something seems to have caused a sudden jump in popularity in the middle of 1999!
While i really enjoyed the matrix, i can't say that it ever occured to me that it would cause a sudden spike in people naming their daughters trinity.
Re:Data from the government (Score:2)
Re:Data from the government (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Data from the government (Score:2)
(Although naming your kid Anderson would be kind of cool).
Re:Data from the government (Score:4, Insightful)
Popularity of the name Chelsea:
2001 156
2000 140
1999 123
1998 94
1997 73
1996 57
1995 48
1994 46
1993 25
1992 15
1991 19
1990 24
I guess parent-child reputation goes both ways.
Re:Data from the government (Score:3, Funny)
Hmmm, what happened with a Monica in 1998 that made that such an undesirable name???
Popularity of the name Monica
Year of birth Rank
2001 185
2000 168
1999 150
1998 97
1997 77
1996 80
1995 85
1994 84
1993 80
1992 72
1991 76
1990 73
Names (Score:2)
Interesting name trend for 2001 (Score:2)
Jacob
Michael
Matthew
Joshua
Christopher
All biblical names. Of course this doesn't track for the female names:
Emily
Madison
Hannah
Ashley
Alexis
iceland (Score:2, Funny)
My name. (Score:4, Funny)
When I was a lad still living on the Indian reserve I asked "Father, how did you name me?" he replied "Son, when a new child is born into our tribe, the father looks at the landscape and names the child after the first thing he sees.
I nodded "Ok, go on."
"For instance," my father continued, "your sister 'Soaring Eagle' was named after an eagle I saw high in the sky. Does this answer your question, Two Dogs Fucking?"
Re:My name. (Score:3, Funny)
IIRC, it goes a little something like this:
I shook my head in the affirmative.
"Good", he said, "Now go play with your sister, Broken Rubber."
Re:My name. (Score:3, Funny)
Give me Google, or uh.... (Score:2)
Huh? (Score:2)
Re:Huh? (Score:2, Informative)
Given names are out... (Score:2)
--sex [slashdot.org]
Re:Given names are out... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Given names are out... (Score:2)
But what about people like Hotslut13 or MyBallsAreHuge? Where does it stop for them? Oh, the horror!
Re:Given names are out... (Score:2)
How exactly is $$$$$exyGal pronounced? (Score:5, Funny)
Without specifying which it is ... (Score:2)
But, for the past 11 years or so, my name has ranked in the top ten according to SSA.gov [ssa.gov]. Personally, I preferred when it was rare and obscure.
Re:Without specifying which it is ... (Score:2)
However, I have met a total of maybee 10 people in my lifetime that share the same first name as me....as common of a name as it is
Re:Without specifying which it is ... (Score:2)
And yet my youngest brothers' name never even shows up on these lists.
It's a wonder that I am so eccentric and he is so Joe Sixpack.
Two names and two surnames... (Score:4, Interesting)
That's why most spanish-speaking countries keep using the two names + two surnames (the father's and the mother's) method for the full name of a person. That way, my full name is "Miguel Braxton Farah Fugate", which decreases dramatically the probabilty of a name collision (even more for people with relatively uncommon surnames, like myself).
This practice was started somewhere in the Middle ages, and while it's not as good as a unique number or ID, the cases of people with two identical full names are very rare.
Re:Two names and two surnames... (Score:2)
Well as long as you're not Michael Bolton.... (Score:2)
I admit it, I'm a Michael Bolton fan! I celebrate the guy's entire collection! For my money it doesn't get any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman"!
Re:Well as long as you're not Michael Bolton.... (Score:5, Funny)
Michael: Yeah, well, at least your name isn't Michael Bolton.
Samir: You know, there's nothing wrong with that name.
Michael: There WAS nothing wrong with it. Until I was about 12 years old, and that no-talent ass clown became famous and started winning Grammys.
Samir: Well, why don't you just go by Mike instead of Michael?.
Michael: No way! Why should I change? He's the one who sucks!
Re:Two names and two surnames... (Score:2)
It kinda got confusing with so many people with the same first/last name, so I am refered to by my middle name.
It could be confusing for formal mail, governement or banking info, as unless they include the middle name, it could be for me, my uncle, my grandfather etc. It's happened a few times, where a branch of my Great Grandfathers family (his brother) lives near my, and I'd get mail for him as well. Plus he was a deadbeat, so bill collectors calling for him would end up calling me on a whim...most annoying.
Our choices (Score:2)
Twin #1 (boy): First name Haines comes from his great-grandad (and oldest living relative). Middle name is a family name from waaaay back.
Twin #2 (girl): First name Hillary was just something we liked the sound of, although we LATER found out that if I or either of my brothers had been girls, we would have been a Hillary. Too wierd...
Baby #3 on the way is to be named Harrison - partly because we like the sound and partly to a friend of the family who was a prominent writer and social critic.
I think my favorite part is that none of these names is particularly common, yet they are familiar and carry some tradition...
Re:Our choices (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Our choices (Score:2)
Drugs & childbirth don't mix (Score:5, Funny)
At my birth, Mom took one look at me and decided that I was the spitting image of her grandfather. She decided to name me after him, so she called me Robert Scott. Problem is, her grandpa's name was DAVID. For a long time, I thought it must have been the painkillers talking, but Grandpa David was born in Scotland, and so everyone called him Scotty.
He *hated that. He thought it was akin to calling someone Polack, or Czech-boy, or Canook. He probably spins like a gyroscope every time someone uses my name.
Scott
Re:Drugs & childbirth don't mix (Score:2)
After a character on the Magic Roundabout (Score:2)
Unfortunately, I've found out that an actor shares my name (Dylan Smith). I'm just wondering when I will get the first UDRP attack on my domain dylansmith.net (if the little puke tries to get dylansmith.co.im off me he's got a fight on his hands as I live right next door to nic.im)
What changing your name does to you (Score:2)
I would think that it has to feel kinda fake, and detract a little from the success. I can't imagine spending the formative years of my life being Jeremy Whiporell, then becoming 'Jack Whip' and being famous. I'd always feel like a bit of a fraud, as if who I really were just wasn't good enough. Kind of schizophrenic, when you think about it.
The only example I can think of off the top of my head is John Mellencamp, who I distinctly remember debuting, and performing for years, as John Cougar.
Re:What changing your name does to you (Score:2)
Popular names. (Score:2)
Re:Popular names. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Popular names. (Score:2)
I am guessing that your name is Jason.
When I was teaching I used to tell my students, if I can't remember your name and you're a guy, I'll guess 'Jason', if you're a girl, I'll guess 'Jennifer". I once had a class with 8 women, 3 of whom were named Jennifer.
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I'm The Bungi (Score:2)
How about Bart? (Score:2)
Re:How about Bart? (Score:4, Insightful)
Fart.
My name... (Score:2)
Max Power!
Now I get all kinds of attention.
Well... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Well... (Score:3, Funny)
Justin Cider.
You could always add a silent number (Score:2)
Men and Women (Score:5, Insightful)
Michael (Score:2)
(I am also a Michael, btw)
Frogs and football (Score:2)
My first name, I regret to say, was taken from a member of the 1966 World Cup-winning team because my father is obsessed by football (that's "soccer" to you 'merkins).
Choosing a Name (Score:2)
And exactly how is this different from the usual Slashdot posting?
I'm guessing that you're single, and not (yet) seriously considering children. Had you even come close to the Childbirth section of your local bookstore, you'd have been deluged by books such as Beyond Jennifer & Jason, Madison & Montana : What To Name Your Baby Now [amazon.com].
You haven't stumbled on to anything new here.
Or check out one of the "Moms To Be" chat boards - the importance of selecting the right name is a Big Deal, and always has been. One can't pick a name that's too popular, or too obscure. And there's that unpleasant shock when the "perfect" name has been found, only to find that it's the rising star of the Baby Names Top 10 List - back to the drawing board.
Perhaps the most important issue is "teasability". You can have hours of fun with your spouse, shooting down every name they think up by turning it into a childish taunt:
You : Yeah, I can hear it now: "Come here, Mister Dunkin' Donuts!"
Her : Isn't there any name you like?
You : I'm just saying... But now that you mention it, have you considered "Guy"?
Her : No. Have you considered an frontal lobotamy?
Hours of fun, kids! Those 9 months of pregnancy will be gone before you know it.
Personally, I've found the most effective strategy is to waffle until the baby's been born. Then, once your wife is back in the recovery room, all doped up and groggy from pain that men can't even imagine (thank goodness for epidurals and pain-induced memory blocks), pop your suggestion to her:
Her : (groggy): Hrm? Bosco? [boscoworld.com] Yes, I'm thirsty...
You : Excellent! Roscoe it is! Wasn't that easy?
Thank goodness for blogs on slow days like this!
kirk israel (Score:3, Interesting)
Nope.
And I'm not even jewish...I come from Germans who came to the USA (pre-world wars), wanted to dodge the German/Prussian draft, and changed their name and all the records they could find. And then chose something Semetic sounding, so they would be seen as less than desirable soldiers for Der Fatherland.
my parents were very un-original (Score:4, Interesting)
When I had shoulder surgery in 1993, there was another Christopher J Smith there for the same basic operation, on the other shoulder. Of course the anesthesiologist switched the files! Basic idea was to put meds in one arm, operate on the other. He was rather offended when I yanked the I.V. out of my arm while asking "what are the first 3 numbers of the SSN on that chart?" Ten minutes later, after some ID checking and whatnot, I was on my way to dreamland.
Why this is an awful topic (Score:2, Insightful)
Why? Well, what interesting/insightful/funny comment can be made on this subject, especially on slashdot?
This is a discussion forum with a general tradition of *avoiding* usage of given names. Right off the bat, this causes abortive comments like, "I have a really interesting name, kinda like this other name, but I'm not going to tell you what it is, because my boss might be googling me."
And what insight can a techie offer about given names? Yeah, some of us have the same name. Some don't. They serve a useful purpose, but not one really worth talking about.
I guess some names are sorta funny, and some naming stories are funny, but nothing that's going to make you wet your pants. I know of a guy whose parents wanted to give him an English name but didn't know any English themselves, so they grabbed a book for inspiration... and named him "Oxford University Press".
See? Ok, but who would moderate that up past a 2?
New discussion: how can we help our slashdot editors to select better discussion topics?
The Power of Names (Score:3, Insightful)
Similarly, in her "Earthsea Trilogy" series, Ursula K. LeGuin emphasizes that everything has a true name, and that this true name is what wizards use when conjuring.
In my own line of work, I've learned that good programming begins with good naming conventions.
Everything has a name -- even if it's nothing more than "Hey! You!"
How many use first initial, middle name? (Score:2, Interesting)
Mom's brother always went by his middle name, and used his first initial only for his legal signature. (I'm not certain if that was his choice or my grandparents.) Mom thought "J. Scott" would be a nice signature, and so I was named John Scott. I have never in my life been called anything other than Scott by my family.
Fast-forward a few decades. Databases that accept only first name, middle initial (all required fields). Systems (like my employers) who require using a login based on first name/last name. The government wants all three names, and will then never let go of "John".
At one time I was thinking of legally changing my first name to an initial only (J.) after my parents died. Going through the job hunting gig of late, with all the attendant forms, I may not wait that long.
What's a Last Name? (Score:4, Interesting)
With the First World War and beginning with the English Royal Family abandoning it's German roots by adopting the name of Windsor, they set the tone for the dismantling of the house system. My great-great-granduncle, German Kaiser Wilhelm II at the time of the English abandonment of their heritage, remarked that he always enjoyed the comic operetta "The Merry Wives of Saxe-Cobourg-Gotha," a reference to the British Royal family's true German name. Two of those house names are also part of my name.
My own grandfather, an Archduke in the Austrian Empire had to abandon his titles and adopted a name that was taken from the name of the his ancestral home in the south of Austria. He was later appraoched by Hitler to help with the union of Austria and Germany, but categorically refused him. After the anschlus in 1938 his vocal anti-Nazi stance got him into more trouble and his lands were seized.
This is all probably not very interesting, and I'll probably loose a few karma point by this post. But who cares? There is no such thing as Karma anyway.
Uniqueness is a mixed bag (Score:2)
A google search (at least for the first few pages) reveals information about me and my dad. And that's about it.
Of course, I keep assuming that the number of Ewan's will rise after the actor - but at least in the US that doesn't seem to be the case.
Just another data point...
Realizing that your name is something else (Score:2, Interesting)
Heywood! (Score:2)
Name Choices (Score:2, Interesting)
Sebastian
WTF?!?! (Score:3, Funny)
ACK!
I lucked out on my name (Score:2)
Although when I was younger and the kids didn't know what the word "stoner" meant, they called me Joe Boner.
Re:I have my dad's name (Score:2, Funny)
Heritage. (Score:2)
Nonsense (Score:3, Insightful)
Do you *really* expect us to believe that you'd be the same person whether you were raised by Christians, Muslims, atheists, or animistic bushmen?
Your ideas of who you are depend massively upon such things, and it's just silly to pretend otherwise.
Re:weird (Score:2)
We were quite young at the time, but I really think I would change that one regardless of how I felt about myself...
There are other examples, but usually, they come about from going from one culture/language to another.
Re:weird (Score:2)
When the guy came to the counter he thanked my dad for pronouncing his name correctly, as most people probably snicker and say "moron"
Re:weird (Score:2)
There is a woman at my work in marketing named (I kid you not) Rhona Butt-Luck.
I can still remember first time she came to my desk looking at something I was working on for her department. She asked me to mail her a copy and so I opened up Outlook and asked her what her name was, she said "Rhona", I typed it in and was about to ask for he last name when the autocompletion kicked in and "Butt-Luck" showed up. I kept a straight a face as possible and sent the email off.
As soon as she left I instant messaged all my friends. Haha, sorry Rhona, I'm sure you understand where I was coming from.
Re:weird (Score:2)
totally normal (Score:3, Insightful)
Changing my name does not change my heritage. No one's heritage is that flimsy. A different name doesn't change who my father or his father or his father's father was, or where they lived, or what traditions they practiced.
And it has never occured to you. . . (Score:2)
Interesting.
KFG
Re:weird (Score:3, Informative)
Keep in mind that you and your family are only the stewards of Gondor.
Re: (Score:2)
Re:My name (Score:2)
The combination of my first and last names is so unusual that I've been able to locate using web searches only two other people in the world who have it. (The last time I did this search, the only search engine that found ANYONE but me was NorthernLight!) Needless to say, I had no trouble getting a domain name...
Like alzoron, anyone with my last name that I don't already know is unrelated to me. However, that doesn't stop the people who want to send me directories of all the people with my last name, or research my "family crest" (no such thing).
Re:Name (Score:2)
For a restaurant situation, obviously any easy to say token will do, and can be funny as well.
Re:Name (Score:2)
Since both my first and surname (Emiel Kollof) are very uncommon here in the Netherlands, about every braindead desk clerk I meet spells it wrong.
I've seen both my first and last name mangled in all possible permutations, and yes, I do spell my name out before it gets mangled by the person writing/typing it down.
It's very annoying when you have to visit the colo and the security shmuck at the reception desk wrote it down wrong and won't let me in because the name doesn't match my identification. *sigh*
Re:Name (Score:2)
I'm sorry, we already have a George...
not true (Score:2, Informative)