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Slashback: Nerves, Unis, Subtitles 221

Posted by timothy from the happy-graduation dept.
Slashback tonight brings updates and amplifications on file-swapper hunting in Australia, Blender's progress since going open source, the badly subtitled LotR rips mentioned a few weeks ago, and more. Read on for the details.

Yes, does that come with insurance? An anonymous reader writes "Channel 4 news has a small report on the way that financial institutions are moving their computer systems and data backup out of central London to establishments such as The Bunker and Sealand."

Suddenly, those places seem a bit like less of a novelty and more good plain sense.

Copyright vs. Presumptive Scanning, part VXIIIXIX AnElder writes "The SMH (Sydney Morning Herald) now reports that 'Recording companies have asked the Federal Court to allow their computer experts to scan all computers at the University of Melbourne for sound files and email accounts, so they can gather evidence of claimed widespread breaches of copyright.' Are libraries next? "Counsel for the companies, Mr Tony Bannon SC, said industry studies of piracy had found public institutions such as universities and libraries were the biggest repositories of unlawful sound recordings."

Speaking of brand integrity. increment writes "The Engrish TTT Captions Site that was mentioned earlier here has apparently received a cease and desist order from AOL/Warner Bros and taken down their hilarious bootleg screenshots of The Two Towers. You did know that AOL is the parent company of New Line Cinema, right? AOL probably contends that humorous captions 'degrade their brand integrity,' though they should be grateful for such a vivid illustration of the poor quality of bootlegs. A few mirrors of the site can still be found around the net."

What about robotic juicers for the home? CallNElvis writes "Here's another interesting (translate that to "Cool! I want one") site lazydrinker.com showing a tabletop automatic drink pouring machine. It seems to be a little more polished than the last one posted here. The site includes a pretty cool mpeg of it in action."

Blend it into Knoppix, please :) 3-D modeling program Blender was converted from a proprietary license to the GPL last October. What's been going on since then? An anonymous reader writes "A couple of days ago, Blender 2.26 was released. This is the first open source version, and has all the features of the previous proprietary version, except physics support in the gamekit, which was not owned by NaN, and could thus not be opened.

Blender is 'the vi of 3d-modeling,' and was Freed by the community, when NaN (the company creating blender) went broke. It is platform independent (with roots in Unix), scriptable, has a steep but rewarding learning curve, ingenious but nonstandard user interface, and can be used to make games, 3d-web-thingies (there exists a browser plugin) and of course images, animations and models (which among others, can be exported to POV-ray)."

Mandrake keeps moving -- give it a whirl. An anonymous reader writes "The Mandrake 9.1 testing cycle is coming to an end. I haven't noticed any big fan-fare for testing this version, but I noticed that RC-1 is now on many of the ftp mirrors found here.

If you like the distro, don't forget to join MandrakeClub where you can help the company and have a say in what packages they include in their user-friendly distro."
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  • Blender's user interface (Score:3, Funny)

    by PD ( 9577 ) <slashdotlinux@pdrap.org> on Tuesday February 18, 2003 @07:06PM (#5330746) Homepage Journal
    I've heard some people say that Blender was hard to use. They don't know what hard to use means. They should try this version [blender.org].

    Looks like Blender is going multi-lingual! cool.

  • robotic juicers? (Score:5, Funny)

    by kingofnopants ( 600490 ) on Tuesday February 18, 2003 @07:07PM (#5330753)
    May I be the first to point you to this penny arcade strip on the topic: Penny Arcade [penny-arcade.com]

  • What about student privacy? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DFossmeister ( 186254 ) <<foss_donald> <at> <yahoo.com>> on Tuesday February 18, 2003 @07:07PM (#5330757) Homepage
    They want to scan their email too?

    We all have seen the clauses in the Terms of Service that say that email is not private, that this is univerisity owned equipment and such. I can understand if they were going to scan incoming email for attachments, but it would appear that they want to scan the student's personal computer too!

    My bet is that if they scan the student's computers that they are going to find more porn than music...
    • No kidding about privacy. They can't just walk in and scan a student's personal computer. If they tried that on me I would tell them to go to hell. Even with a warrant I would still tell them to go to hell (who do they think they are, the police?) If it meant me getting kicked off the school net so be it, even though getting back on after being banned is easy (changing your MAC address usually does the trick)

      Now if they hooked themselves up to the school network and browsed people's shares that would be different. I also suppose it would be okay to scan the university-owned machines for caches of files on them, but scanning students email (even when it resides on the university mail servers), is going over the line.

      Atleast my school doesn't do that. And I have enough sense now to not share files to just anyone over the network. Zonealarm is great for this, as I can specify the IPs of people that I allow to see my shares, and to everyone else my computer is effectively invisible.

    • Re:What about student privacy? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Elwood P Dowd ( 16933 ) <judgmentalist@gmail.com> on Tuesday February 18, 2003 @08:35PM (#5331345) Journal
      My old school (UPenn) has really fantastic terms of service for this sort of thing. I think most colleges probably do. This is about some external entity forcing the school to violate its own terms of service. Of course, my school did have clauses that allowed it to comply with court orders and not be liable to the students. I can't blame them for that.

      One of the coolest things in the ToS was that computer lab workers were expressly not allowed to prevent people from viewing pornography in computer labs. This is because, of course, it's not up to the lab worker to decide if something is porn/art/science.
    • All the more reason to run ZoneAlarm or Tiny Personal Firewall on the Winblows computers, or to use a properly configured *nix on your desktop.

      Of course, I can see a lot of students just unplugging their ethernet wiring on the day the RIAA comes to do the scan... and if they do a scan, there may be some potential for a lawsuit in retaliation.
    • Unless there is a clause in the school's ToS in which they claim any computer that connects to, access files on or is accessed from the school's network or any computer on the school's network is now property of the school. The University I graduated from had this. By my brief estimation, they were responsible for half of the pr0n on the internet. (predominantly male population on the campus network sitting around in their dorm rooms with no better use for their time than to surf the web -- thereby assimilating each and every server which hosted the sites they visited into the school's network)

      I'd never heard of the aforementioned clause being enforced, but it did create some interesting speculations on the part of the few of us who bothered to read the ToS.

  • Another robotic dealie... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by $$$$$exyGal ( 638164 ) on Tuesday February 18, 2003 @07:08PM (#5330758) Homepage Journal
    Here's another interesting (translate that to "Cool! I want one") site lazydrinker.com showing a tabletop automatic drink pouring machine.

    Here's something similar [fukingmachines.com], but not at all safe to look at if you are at work. This is great for you really really lazy folks.

    --sex [slashdot.org]

  • Futurama Professor censored on Cartoon Network! (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 18, 2003 @07:09PM (#5330771)
    Moderators, I'll save you the trouble of reading this, this post is just way off topic.

    Has anybody been following futurama on the Cartoon Network lately? In two separate episodes, Professor Rupert Farnsworth (sp?) was censored while saying "Sweet Zombie Jesus!" - arguably one of the funniest expletives in the show. Specifically, the word "Jesus" was removed (replaced with silence).

    I am shocked and outraged! Who's responsible for this, damnit!!
    • Clearly you misread the article. It's about Blender, not Bender.

      In any event, I noticed that too and found it odd and crappy. I don't watch anything else on that network so I don't know how thick their censoring usually is, but I would guess that since it is first and foremost a children's cartoon network, it's probably thicker than Fox's.
      • I'm afraid they have a history of problems with this SINGLE EXPLETIVE ALONE...Cartoon Network was going to air a hilarious underground hit cartoon called Rejected, and cancelled at the last minute (literally about 15 min before the show aired!) because it contained the words "Sweet Jesus!" and the artist wouldn't submit to censorship.

        Apparently it's okay to say Jesus, just as long as you don't imply that he is sweet, or nice, or anything else complimentary.

        So, I'm said to say it, but "Holy Benevolent Old-Lady-Helping Christ" is right out.

    • PRAISE JESUS! (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Good. We should respect Christ's name. Isn't it amazing that after so many years we're still talking about Jesus Christ, even those who don't believe slander Him as they curse His glorious name.

      Praise be the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ!

  • Melbourne (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Rinisari ( 521266 ) on Tuesday February 18, 2003 @07:12PM (#5330790) Homepage Journal
    A neighbooring school, to where I shall be attending, had a like threat. What did people do? The college store suddenly had USB 2.0 and Firewire hard drives in stock. People copied everything to hard drives and stored them in a safe place in case the threat was real. It wasn't, but they were prepared.
    • Must be a rich kid school...

    • Re:Melbourne (Score:3, Insightful)

      by peter ( 3389 )
      Temporarily encrypting everything was too difficult? Well I guess I can't argue with people who'd rather spend money than take time fiddling with computers, but I would've done tar | gpg > backup.tar, (nice innocuous name, no way anyone would get suspicious unless they actively suspected me of something, rather than just doing fascist inspections.)

  • Taking laziness too far (Score:5, Funny)

    by ObviousGuy ( 578567 ) <ObviousGuy@hotmail.com> on Tuesday February 18, 2003 @07:21PM (#5330852) Homepage Journal
    It's a well known adage that engineers are supposed to be lazy. Larry Wall enumerates it as one of the traits of good programmers and the impetus behind Perl. What they mean is that engineers should strive to automate repetitive tasks instead of performing them manually each time.

    Lazy Drinker has clearly misunderstood the concept. The device they show is not automated in any way. The user still has to move the cup(!) under the spout and type(!!) commands into an attached computer to begin pouring the drink. Frankly, pouring the drink is the easiest part of the process. Any fast food restaurant has for ages had machines that have been doing this kind thing.

    Lazy Drinker has arguably made pouring drinks *more difficult* by way of this device. It's kind of sad that Slashdot is reduced to running such a non-story.
    • It is a start in the right direction. All you need now is an autonoma that can pick up a glass and place it under the spout. Hook this up to your computer, and write a short script. One command, and your second machine will get a glass, and the first will fill it. Hell, you could get cron involved, and do even less thinking!

  • bootlegs have bad quality? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by lingqi ( 577227 ) on Tuesday February 18, 2003 @07:21PM (#5330853) Journal
    Erm... no.

    How do I know? I got a copy when I went to China. Hey don't bitch - The movie won't be in Japan for another two monthes (maybe one and half), and if you don't make it available when I am WILLING to pay and see it - you'd bet your ass I'm gonna buy the 1USD copy off a street-stall when it's available.

    So anyway - the bootleg was actually for submission to the academy awards - so the quality was definitely not bad. You can imagine academy awards copies are better than the "sit in the theatre w/ a camera" copies, by a far margin. If I ever decide to choke up the cash for a real copy (probably after all three are out), I'll let y'all know. but by that time I wonder if anyone still cares =)

    But, this really means that the academy awards ppl is leaking films. so... why arn't you guys (MPAA) looking harder at your OWN PEOPLE? like, the academy, for one?
    • It's not the quality of the film that is being made fun of, it's the atrocious quality of the SUBTITLES on said film.

      It was like they used a speech-to-text translator to create the subtitles, they were really that bad.
    • Ok, stupid canuck here: Why would the academy send out subtitled films for whatever it is they do to decide who wins? Aren't the Oscars pretty much an American thing (hence any non-US movie being classified as 'foreign')? If so, why would they need to subtitle them?
      • The DVDs that go out as screeners don't have subtitles, at least no subtitles, English or otherwise when they are ripped. Someone who decides to make the bootlegs available in a foreign country then gets the subtitles prepared locally. They have no script and their Engrish may be laughable, hence the poor quality of the translation. Some countries (particularly former Soviet countries) will mix a single voice reading the lines on top of the soundtrack (with the original sound in the background).

        Mind you, living in Europe, I see some pretty awful local synch translations of films anyway. A friend who is in the translation business tells me that you get the same money to translate a movie as you do to translate a letter.

  • the FF2K [penny-arcade.com] is where it's at if you want your juice robotically prepared. there's even a t-shirt [penny-arcade.com] of it.

  • degrade their brand integrity (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Isn't that the same excuse many use to burn books?

  • Question for blender users (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Hello,

    I'm trying to learn Blender, is there a resource (like a nice pdf file), which I can use to quickly learn Blender. I've learned povray via the included help documentation, is there such a beast for Blender, please post below.

    And on Australia, down with them I say! Change your government people.
  • Nonwithstanding that the bootleg itself would not fall under fair use, I should think one could make an argument for the screenshots falling under the parody clause of fair use. They don't take all that much from the film, do they? Maybe AOL-TW would say the screens are a parody of the illegal bootleg and not the original movie, but they could as easily be construed the other way, no? I'd be interested to see WB's e-mail.
    • I wonder if the guy who posted this had made an ad against piracy out of this, whether AOL would have been so terrible to him? It would have still been as funny by the rest of us.

      Th trouble is that the screen shots that accopany the pictiures are of such a high quality that this is definitely upsetting for the copyright owners, who like to guard every image (publicity stills are carefully selected).

  • More embarrassing? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mrpuffypants ( 444598 ) <mrpuffypants@@@gmail...com> on Tuesday February 18, 2003 @07:48PM (#5331038)
    I think that that whole incident with AOL Time Warner losing $98,000,000,000 just last year does a bit more to "degrade their brand integrity", not to mention that at least once a week they are in the news because a board member is fired or leaves the company because the whole entity hit the fan a while back.

  • Scanning for MP3s (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DeborahArielPickett ( 336742 ) on Tuesday February 18, 2003 @07:55PM (#5331082)
    I've already had my (university-owned) laptop scanned for MP3s by Monash University [monash.edu.au], as has everyone else in my School. The Faculty is presumably conducting these audits to see how much of a liability its staff is. Rumour has it that someone had been suspended for trading MP3s, and the University is getting grief over it from the Australian Record Industry Association. It's interesting to know that this is happening at other universities around Australia too.

    There have been a number of memos from the Dean lately about copyrighted material, including music. The University's stance is that any copies of music, whether you own an original or not, are illegal unless you have written permission from the copyright holder. I believe that this is consistent with Australian copyright law, which (correct me if I'm wrong) doesn't seem to have a Fair Use clause. If that's true, it makes me wonder why you can buy solid-state MP3 players in this country at all.

    find / -name "*.mp3" -print returned nothing on my laptop, so it's not a big deal to me, and since it's the University's equipment, they're entitled to set their own rules. But searching our hard disks doesn't exactly foster a trusting relationship between staff and university. More to the point, it's also going to have a nasty effect on research on audio compression.

    • And if they scan the IT dept, they will find some good collections :-) (A few gig on an iTunes library for one of my friends)
    • //find / -name "*.mp3" -print returned nothing on my laptop, so it's not a big deal to me, and since it's the University's equipment, they're entitled to set their own rules.//

      Now that you mention it, that's a fabulous if not obvious way to "hide" the files. Just remove the extension from all mp3 files, re-add them when the audit is over.
    • Heh, I would of removed/hidden all the mp3's that I did not rip myself off of the disks I own. Throw in some of the legally downloaded free songs off of mp3.com, etc. When they popped up I would of said those are my music and the files are all perfectly legal due to fair use. When they ask to see the CDs I'll tell them that they are in storage 100 miles away.

      Just to see what they would do (they would probably nuke the files anyway) Besides they would have to *prove* that I do not own those CDs.

      It's the truth too. I didn't want to bother with my CD's at school because they take up space, and they would have a tendency to walk off. So I bought a huge HDD and ripped everything to mp3. So now I can enjoy my music, and *I* don't have to worry about anyone stealing it, though on the other hand the RIAA seems to worry plenty enough about that.

    • Re:Scanning for MP3s (Score:3, Informative)

      by kfg ( 145172 )
      MP3 does not mean "copied from someone else who holds the rights."

      It's just a format for storing music. I have hours of mp3's on my desktop that *I* am the copyright holder to, as well as some that were perfectly legally distributed freely by the actual copyright holder.

      MP3 players can be purchased because it's perfectly legal to play recorded music.

      Also, the idea that, even without fair use law, you must have *written* permission to legally have rights to play an mp3 is wrong. It's perfectly legal to do it with a handshake, or a blanket permission statement on a web site.

      Requiring it to be written is just to a)make life easier for them, and b) cover their own asses as tightly as possible, see a.

      KFG

      • Re:Scanning for MP3s (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Yes but the issue is not whether you can PLAY mp3s.

        The issue is whether you can create MP3s from CDs you have purchased.

        As the Australian copyright law is written, this may constitute creating a "derivative work". Our university (Monash) has taken that stance.

        But I've been told that case law may not support this. As Deborah noted in her original post, it is legal to sell solid-state mp3 players, which are most obviously used to carry around all the music on your stack of CDs left at home.

    • Re:Scanning for MP3s (Score:2, Informative)

      by Froggy ( 92010 )
      I believe that this is consistent with Australian copyright law, which (correct me if I'm wrong) doesn't seem to have a Fair Use clause. If that's true, it makes me wonder why you can buy solid- state MP3 players in this country at all.

      Australia is a signatory to the Berne Convention, which has a provision for "fair dealing" rights. However, under Australian law, "fair dealing" is confined to purposes of research/study, criticism/review, news reporting, or professional advice given by a lawyer or patent attorney, and is only allowable if it does not unreasonably prejudice the author's rights over the work. It is not certain whether personal listening falls under the heading of "study", but audio compression research seems to be safe.

      On the other hand, even if ripping an MP3 is legal, putting it up for distribution is certainly not. And if I were counsel for the prosecution (disclaimer: IANAL) I'd probably claim that putting the MP3 somewhere other people could download it counts as distribution -- that could include just leaving it in your home directory, depending on how the permissions are set.

      By the way, I bought my solid-state MP3 player from Singapore through ebay. When I bought my CD player, though, the shop assistant tried to sell me one that plays MP3 CDs as well, and couldn't believe it when I told him my workplace (I'm at Monash, too) had taken the position that MP3s were, by definition, illegal.

  • ...Blender isn't the emacs of 3d-modeling?

  • MandrakeClub (Score:5, Informative)

    by miracle69 ( 34841 ) on Tuesday February 18, 2003 @08:16PM (#5331218)
    Another good reason to join MandrakeClub prior to 9.1 is their ftp server download script.

    On the day of the release, head over to MandrakeClub and use their download script. It tells you which servers have the distro and open slots, and you just zip on over there and grab them without having to wait in long queues/redialing to get into ftp servers.

    It's like a world-wide mirror load-balancer. Pretty neat, IMHO.

  • bah! (Score:2)

    by gnovos ( 447128 )
    I'd like to find one of those mirrors, but I am too damn lazy.. when oh when will they come up with a googlebot to do my searching for me?

  • VXIIIXIXth post! (Score:3, Funny)

    by Seehund ( 86897 ) on Tuesday February 18, 2003 @08:52PM (#5331494) Homepage Journal
    It could very well be, because I have no idea what number you were trying to write there, Timothy...

    A slight case of trisomy XXI, eh?

  • Blender and Knoppix (Score:5, Informative)

    by dcuny ( 613699 ) on Tuesday February 18, 2003 @08:54PM (#5331508)
    Blender is a hugely capable product with the Interface From Hell. I used to think that this complexity was designed to sell Blender manuals. It's a great scheme: make a fantastic program available for free, but make it utterly useless without a manual.

    But if you don't suffer from the inability to remember hotkeys (like I do), the Blender interface eventually becomes a thing of joy to use. Users are quite passionate about the interface, and vehemently object to anyone suggesting that their beloved interface be make more accessible to the masses.

    I think what it really needs is a nice, integrated help system. Even people who have used Blender for years are suprised to find new features that they never knew about.

    One of the really cool project related to Blender is Yafray [uniovi.es] (Yet Another Free Raytracer). It's Open Source raytracer that is linked to Blender via Yable [kino3d.com] (Yet Another Blender Exporter), a script which will convert Blender scenes and animation into XML files that you can render with Yafray. If you've been wanting to do cool Arnold-style rendering (monte-carlo sampled global illumination) or just wanted the coolness of raytracing, this is the tool for you.

    Kudos also should go to Yafray because, despite being used primarily by Blender folk, it's platform/application agnostic. Looking for a great non-realtime renderer? This is it.

    Then again, you could skip the pain of Blender and just use Art of Illusion [sourceforge.net], a nice Java raytracer (no, that's not an oxymoron) and an user-friendly interface. The 1.4 release came out the other day, and it's quite nice.

    Finally, for those itching to play with the shiny new KDE 3.1, there's an unofficial Knoppix release called KnoppixKDE [knoppix.net] that contains the KDE 3.1 release on it. It's smaller (and more beta) than the official Knoppix because it doesn't contain any Gnome or OpenOffice. Very, very cool.

    • Blender is a hugely capable product with the Interface From Hell. I used to think that this complexity was designed to sell Blender manuals. It's a great scheme: make a fantastic program available for free, but make it utterly useless without a manual.

      <reply type="canned" tone="bored to hear this again"> No, the user interface is just fine! Honestly, it's difficult to get first, but wonderful to work with once you get the hang of it! Besides, Ton needs your manual money anyway!</reply>

      =)

  • How do you spot "unlawful sound recordings"? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by UncleRoger ( 9456 ) on Tuesday February 18, 2003 @08:56PM (#5331528) Homepage
    How do you tell "unlawful sound recordings" from legal ones?

    I have a whole lot of MP3's on my hard drive -- all of it personally ripped from legally purchased CD's. (Except that which I downloaded, legally, from MP3.com as explicitly permitted by the copyright holder, and much of which I ended up buying on CD anyway.) So, supposing the RIAA, et al. were to scan my computer (as if I'd allow them), how could they tell whether or not the files I have are there legally?

    I ask because I am concerned that the answer is "you can't tell, so we'll just have to make *all* copyrighted sound files illegal."

    I don't condone copyright violation, and don't want my rights curtailed because of it.

    • Don't worry (Score:5, Funny)

      by willpost ( 449227 ) on Wednesday February 19, 2003 @12:49AM (#5332823)
      All they'll require is for everyone to be fitted with a tiny ear implant which bills a simple rate for all kilosounds per hour heard.

      The following billing schedule is applicable for single-channel and stereophonic royalty service from single-eardrum consumers to double-eardrum consumers as metered by RIAA.

      Sound Charge:
      BASELINE (TIER I) QUANTITIES
      per kiloSoundhour per Month

      Radio/XM Satellite Transmission $0.00403
      Internet Distribution $0.03485
      Rock Star Drug Rehab Programs $0.00231
      Power Ballad Generation $0.04542
      Glam Rock Decommissioning $0.00045
      PFRA (Price Fixing Record Amounts) $0.00962
      CD Copy-Protection Reliability Services $0.00384
      Total Rate $0.10052

      MINIMUM CHARGE (per eardrum per sound per day) $0.12345

      In the summer of 2XXX, wholesale spot prices for sounds began to escalate to levels unanticipated by the RIAA. The rising prices translated into dramatically increased sound royalty costs and revenue undercollections for the recording studios. The royalty costs of the sounds heard during the crisis, along with the costs of forward purchase obligations incurred by RIAA, must now be recovered.
  • What's happening with Castle Technologies' blatant GPL breach?


    They went so far as to encourage their developers to steal driver code from GPLed PCI modules. Are the respective copyright owners / FSF going after them or what?

  • Why not search all the homes on the street a known drug dealer does business? Bah, to hell with the Fouth Amedment, the ends DO justify the means.
  • using 9.1 beta3 and it is junk. somehow the pcmcia lucent wireless card that worked fine in 9.0 doesn't in 9.1b3 :(

    i was also very underwhelmed by kde 3.1

    if i had the ca$h, i would just get a 12" powerbook or ibook.

  • Firewalling Universities? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Angram ( 517383 ) on Wednesday February 19, 2003 @05:02AM (#5333557)
    How much use would a firewall be vs. a University? I would assume it would keep them out, but they'd just call you and demand you disable it or have your connection turned off. But then, that would give you warning and time to delete any files they wouldn't like (legal or illegal).
    But couldn't you argue that turning off your firewall would open you up to nasty hackers? I suppose it's no win, but the warning time would be nice (wouldn't take too long to put it all onto CD-Rs or Zip disks, anyway).

  • Can't find the Two Towers engrish caption mirror (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Since AOL forced the removal of the pix I suppose I'll have to buy the pirate DVD to see them.
  • The article starts out mentioning terrorist threats. If this is the motivation to move data off site, then sealand does not seem all that safe. Couldn't an explosives laden raft that damaged a US Navy ship in Yemen also do some serious damage to Sealand?

    Isn't Sealand's real novelty it's laws? Not it's true physical security.

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