Andorion writes "How many comics will make it to the big screen, how many will be as good as Spiderman or X-Men, and how many will be as bad as Daredevil? Who knows, but the new trailer for The Hulk was just released, and it looks pretty sweet!"
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I thought DD was a good movie for what they had to work with. DD was never Spidey in the comics, and the movie had to follow the Spidey movie which was huge, and I think a lot of people expected an edgier Spidey movie, when that isn't even what the comic was.
Daredevil wasn't awful, the vision effects were really cool and the sound effects were the first in a movie that I felt they spent as much time on as the movie itself, as the sound played a really important role in certain scenes.
Then again, they may be taking potshots at DD because overall the movie sucked?
I mean, ok, there where some cool vfx and sfx, but the story was crap, character development was artificial, not to mention the dialogue. The pacing was way off too, and many of the vfx shots were awfull.
And I didn't mind Afleck...but please don't call him a good actor. Afleck has one role he plays tollerably well, and that's himself. So he's not even versatile, let alone a 'good actor'.
Yeah... I'm sick of seeing all of these comic book movies get botched up and end up looking like some silly caricatures of a saturday morning cartoon show.
Ok, I admit it I'm not a big hulk fan, I hardly ever watched the show as a kid and I haven't read the comic books. I will probably go see the movie because for some reason I will never understand my wife is very excited to go see it.
But what exactly is the story they have to stick to? He gets mad, he becomes the hulk, (I love that the TV hulk was just him with green skin, a ripped shirt, and tussled hair) the hulk then breaks stuff, and there's like evil to fight and stuff. I imagine even Stallone could ma
As soon as they announced stallone as Dredd it was known it was going to suck.
You don't hire that big of a star to stick behind a helmet, so you knew the helmet was going which means the uniform was going, so you needed a story were Dredd spend the majority of the movie out of uniform, QED a bad judge Dredd movie.
This is directed by Ang Lee, director of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Ice Storm, Sense and Sesibility, and Eat Drink Man Woman. I believe it is highly probable that this is going to kick major ass.
Although I wouldn't want to see another Judge Dredd film, obviously, I'd like to see "Bad Company" or "Ace Truckin' Co" on the big screen. Even Robo-Hunter. I thought those stories were particularly original, and the last two pretty damned funny!
... I was kinda disappointed, why the hulk, there are much better movies they could have made. The hulk is a pretty poor choice although it does invoke some nogstolgia.
I think the nostalgia factor plays a huge part. Not only are you making a Marvel property, which is a hot thing right now, but you can also tap in to everyone who fondly remembers the TV show. (And any younger Family Guy fans who want to see what all the fuss is about).
Actually, IMHO the tv show works against the movie because the movie is so unrealistic. Yeah, yeah...the whole concept is, but stick with me here.
In the tv show, you had a regular ol doctor who turned into a giant green guy. But at least the giant green guy was a real person too, so it was a little more believable than turning into a 13 ft tall CG innovation. To me, they would have to do a lot more work to make the Hulk's movements, et al, look human...which, remember, is the point of the whole comic...
Movies these days aren't expected to have much plot. It's not like books. Heh, not at all. Even so, the Hulk comics waxed pretty good at times, even in terms of plot.
Any suggestions as to other movies they could have made (I presume you're referring to other comics)? Personally, I think Thor or Dr. Strange offer good opportunities for visually interesting films (read: better effects than mere explosions and superstunts)...
I think of all the Marvel Heroes, HULK is a much more fascinating character than most and definitely more than nostalgic. As revealed by a backstory search on goolge, Bruce Banner is a rich character with much backstory and a tortured soul.
Between Ang Lee's direction and what looks to be very dynamic character work, I think this wil be a very satisfying ride.
Some backstory
Everything from his relationship with his father to his girlfriend's father/nemesis has potential for interesting drama and conflict.
From Julk History Page [buyersmls.com]Robert Bruce Banner was born in Dayton, Ohio, the son of Dr. Brian Banner and Rebecca Banner. He was loved by his mother, but hated by his alcoholic father, who was extremely jealous of his relationship with his mother.
A former atomic physicist Brian concluded that Bruce's intelligence was a mutation derived from Brian's exposure to radiation.
Brian Banner finally murdered his wife when she attempted to leave with Bruce. Bruce was raised by Rebecca's sister and later attended Science High School. He diverted his anger into his study of science.
Bruce Banner attended Desert State University in Navapo, New Mexico, where he studied with such contemporaries as Walter Langkowski (a.k.a. Sasquatch) Peter Corbeau and Raoul Stoddard.
Banner was a highly withdrawn intellectual unable to cope with emotions. Obtaining his doctorate in nuclear physics from the California Institute of Technology, Banner went to work at a nuclear research facility at Desert Base, New Mexico.
Before the days before the Gamma Bomb accident that would create the Hulk, Banner's father was released from the mental hospital. This release would lead up to the last confrontation between Bruce Banner and his father at his mother's grave.
The Marvel pantheon is full of deep, fascinating characters (as well as some real stinkers). The best of the Marvel heroes revolve around some fundamental question of humanity or some basic emotion. For instance:
Spiderman = Responsibility. Stan Lee's quip, "With great power comes great responsibility" may not be as catchy as "Up, Up and Away" or "To the Batmobile, Robin", but it's a lot more inspiring when you think about it. Pete Parker received a talent by random chance, an accident, something that he had no say about. That talent has been both blessing and curse to him. That talent is what makes the stories fun to read. What Pete does with that talent is what makes them meaningful.
Hulk = Rage. Bruce David Banner is a civilized, intelligent man. The raging child inside him is anything but. The writers of this book have spent years dousing for the sources of the ever-flowing font of rage that wells up within Banner's fractured soul. His father, his mother, his wife, his father-in-law, his employers. About the only thing they haven't thrown at poor Bruce, as far as I can recall, is children. It doesn't hurt the story any that it was the work of Bruce's own intellect (the gamma experiment) that set the monster within him loose. Now, every day that Bruce wakes up amid the wreckage of some unfamiliar place, he must ask "My God, what have I done?" of his actions taken both while monster and as a man.
Iron Man = Weakness. Bright and shiny on the outside, a lifestyle of flash and sparkle. But, within, there are flaws. Billionaire playboy inventor Tony Stark has a weak heart, is an alcoholic, and has no lasting relationships. Is his entire life a hollow shell? In addition, Iron Man must also deal with the constant possibilities that the handiwork of his mind, which is also the foundation of his fortune, can be so easily turned to evil by others. Iron Man, and to some extent the Hulk as well, must address the problem presented over and over in Tolkien's works: the creations of our intellects can turn against us to work great evil because all machines, once created, have no governing wisdom of their own. Bruce Banner's science opened Pandora's Box and found the Hulk inside. Tony Stark tried to create a better world through technology and learned that technology is equally powerful as a tool of evil.
Captain America = Idealism. Steve Rogers is a man of high ideals faced with a world filled with awful circumstances. Sure, he can try to fight the bad guy, but he's only human and he often fails. What's harder to fight are the situations where the country he loves hasn't lived those ideals.
X-Men = Alienation. While individual X-men have very individual stories, the series overall explores the question of conflict between diverse groups. The homo sapiens v. homo superior conflict serves as a metaphor not only for race relations, but for relationships between parents and children as well. Each mutant must deal with the feelings of isolation and loneliness they experience while acting out their personal mythology: "nothing like this has ever happened to anyone buy me."
Green Lantern (and Dare Devil) = Fear. Courage is an act that only those who feel fear can perform. I'm not sure that either of these characters lives up to their billing as being "without fear", but they both show that it's possible to act in situations that would scare the living @&%! out of any rational person.
To sum it up, every great hero needs a fatal flaw. The flaw is how the reader relates. The flaw is how the tale teaches. Stories in comics are just as full of flash and bang as any other mythic tale, but they can also be as full of substance.
I got my first -1 in years for making the same comment a few seconds later. I suppose I should feel better that the guy who beat me to the punch got hit as well.
Well I think I will now go use my Mod points for good.
What happened to his old trailer? Was it just a plain aluminum job like the kind old people tow to Florida?
I hope his trailer is made of something really strong, like adamantium(sp?) as in Wolverines bones. Stainless just does not stand up to the nasty temper of the Hulk!
Of all the big money superhero movies. I guess this is the first one where the primary character is physically larger than life. The trailer makes it almost look like a photorealstic cartoon vs a "live action" movie with the scenes including the Hulk (and I guess technically those scenes probably are).
I was very surprised by how much of the Hulk they actually showed. I would have expected much more "teasing" up until the very end.
The hulk looks HUGE... even larger than in the comic/toon. But, this stuff does look impressive. I wonder how real/unreal/surreal it will look on the large screen.. I hope it don't look cheap and monster inc.. ish...
As much as I love a movie where a big green guy smashes things, I think the CGI could you use ALOT of work. In the trailer he looks obviously computer generated.
I'm waiting for the Matrix where you can't tell the difference b/w real Neo and computer generated Neo.
In the outdoor scene in the trailer - where he is standing at the base of a hill of what looks to be a San Fran scene perhaps - has a bunch of cops in front of him, his back is to us and covered in dust... THAT shot of him looks real.
the rest looks like a giant toddler that is a bit too shiny and plastic looking.
If you managed to stay until the end of the credits for Spiderman you would have heard the corny Spiderman song from the 70's (60's?) cartoon, which sounded so awful that it was a real shock to my system. When I was a kid that song was cool, mostly due to its association with Spiderman I guess. The theater I saw it in stopped the projector halfway through the song of course.
Considering the Hulk's anger-management problem, is it really wise to put him up in another trailer? Maybe he should be forced to lie in the bed he has made. That's the only way he'll learn personal responsibility.
This is OUR hulk, not the americans' hulk! It will slaughter them all at the gates of baghdad before any American troops come close to our glorious city!
Can someone explain me why there is always so much whining about Quicktime ? For Windows and Mac, you have the official Apple Quicktime player, for UNIX, you have MPlayer and Xine, which both play Quicktime videos just fine. What is the problem ? I've been watching Quicktime videos under Windows, Linux and FreeBSD and never had a problem, am I the only one ? "It just sucks" is not a valid explanation / reason.
Can someone explain me why there is always so much whining about Quicktime ?
Because this is/., and it's cool to bash Apple. Not quite as cool as it is to bash MS (which is more justified), but still pretty cool.
In all seriousness though, the slashbots have a hard time supporting something mainstream. If people like it and use it, it's clearly not l33t enough. MP3 gets bashed in favor of Ogg; QuickTime gets bashed in favor of DivX; etc.
The whining about QT decreased dramatically once Sorensen codecs were available for Mplayer... until then a large number of the newer QT files out there couldn't be viewed on Linux.
The problem is that even though you can play quicktime under linux, doing so is still in the shady area of legality. There are no native libraries to read the sorenson codec. Currently, developers have to resort to tricks using the windows DLLs and bits from wine. As for some other complaints, it's a closed format, and protected by patents. The ability to do something isn't enough to justify it being okay. I want to be able to fully and legally do it.
The problem with these cartoons is that they arent realistic.
How true.
Every one I know from planet Krypton can't fly (but man they sure can jump high) and those two guys that I work with who were bitten by those radioactive spiders still only take the bus to get through the city.
Join me brothers in our fight to maintain realism and accuracy in our comic books!
Some of those hulk shots look plain phony. CGI models look great and all, but the motion is always too fluid, too phony.
A big muscleman with green greasepaint would move much more convincingly, Lou Ferigno (sp?) made a more convincing Hulk than an animated model. Roll Big Poppa Pump around in some grass clippings and have him hulk around.
Sometimes the most simple and conventional SFX are the most convincing on screen. CGI is great for aliens and monsters and stuff like that, but there are too many subtleties with human movement that we're all subconciously accustomed to.
Plus, the "making of" documentaries are now just filming a couple nerds sitting in front of a 22 inch monitor looking at wire models.
Ah, the new age of CGI. Remember Jurassic Park? Terminator 2?
Back when CGI was used to create things that didn't exist, or create spectacular scenes and special effects that'd be near impossible to make with conventional films. For a while now however, CGI is simply the cheaper alternative. It's easier, faster and cheaper to blow up something in a computer than to actually rig explosives, if it looks real is irrelevant. It is a step back to the corny special effects of previous decades where the audience is asked to not look to closely at the screen. When CGI is used to create scenes that are hard to do in reality it is a Good Thing, when it's used to keep the budget down it usually tends to suck badly.
Of course there wasn't as much CG in T2 as you might think. There were a good number of practical effects, miniatures, robotics, make-up and squibs... and little things like using twin actors (and actresess) whenever the T-1000 had to confront the person it had just morphed into face-to-face. A lot of clever stuff, and the CG work, while impressive and certainly groundbreaking, took more of credit than it deserved.
Do some tricky camera work like LOTR and make him look way bigger than everyone/everything else...use wires and shit to make him throw people around...
I think thats why I can watch the matrix 50 times and spiderman once (and only because of female influence)...cool fight scenes are wayyy better if its real people rather than computer animation. I would rather people punching people, throwing them around, all done on wires, good camera work, etc.
I for one prefer the CGI Hulk to the Lou Ferrigno Hulk if only for the fact that they can now make the Hulk the right size. The Hulk is supposed to be HUGE, and by huge I mean much larger than a muscle-bound body builder.
I would imagine that one of the reasons why Bill Bixby played Dr. David Banner in the Hulk TV series was that he was a pretty little guy - the transformation of him into the Hulk would be a bit more believeable because of the size difference between Bixby and Ferrigno.
...was quite good IMHO. OK, so it was a smaller-scale story than X-Men or Spider-Man, and the main character didn't have the firepower of a battalion of Marines. So what? It definitely got me interested in DD as I had no prior experience with that corner of the Marvel-verse. It even raised my opinion of Ben Affleck out of the cellar.
It's because you have no experience with DD that you thought it was good. Read some of the comic books and see for yourself.
That's probably true. But it raises an interesting question:
What makes a "good" comic book movie?
a) the one that can manage the most suspension of disbelief (i.e. makes the story the "realest")?
b) the one that sticks closest to canon?
c) the one that throws continuity out the window, but goes for the best "interpretation" of the "spirit" of the comic?
d) The one that makes the most money because the most people like it?
Honestly, the level of writing and character and plot development that goes into some of the best known comics. Spiderman almost succeded, X-men did a pretty good job. Personally, I feel the ones that stick closest to canon are the best, seeing as how the comics have a huge fan base already. I will probably never understand why movie studios feel they can do a better job telling a story then the writers that actually built a huge foundation already. I understand that character development oftentimes need give
The worst thing about it was the script, not the overall story just the dialogue mainly. It was all too predictable, by dumbing the story down and trying to satisfy the fanboys they created a very generic formula comic book film.
Saying all that I kinda enjoyed it, though most of the good bits were ripped off from Tim Burtons first Batman film.
Just from watching the trailer, I think they blew it. The big green guy looks totally disproportonate, like an oversized mal-colored smurf. It's too bad too. The technology is there, but a bad artist wrecked it. Maybe they should have looked up Lou instead.
I'll still probably see it in the first week (comic book movies are my escape from reality), but instead of thinking "This will be cool" I'll be thinking "I hope it doesn't suck".
I remember when this movie was still in the early stages, there was a lot of crazy talk about Bruce being bitten by radioactive dogs and shit like that. Nice to see that someone seems to have thrown a comic in front of the producers face at some point.
Doc Bruce Banner, Belted by gamma rays, Turned into the Hulk. Ain't he unglamo-rays! Wreckin' the town With the power of a bull, Ain't no monster clown Who is that lovable? It's ever lovin' Hulk! HULK!! HULK!!"
by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Tuesday April 22, 2003 @10:22AM (#5781260)
You will. And Silver Surfer, FF, etc. Check out Superhero Hype.com sometime. Now is the Golden Age of Comics Film and (to paraphrase Ovid): Let others praise ancient times, I am glad to be born in these.
I think the cg effects for the hulk look HORRIBLE. I think they would be fine if the whole thing were a cartoon but I think they look completely unnatural when combined with real video. The hulk looks totally artificial.
Plus, I thought DD was fairly decent having collected the comics growing up...
Anyone know what piece of music (classical?)is being played in the preview? I've heard it in a lot of ads and previews, but I've never know what it's called.
Here's [gameinfowire.com] some info on a related game that is being released. The most interesting thing is that the same CGI being used for the movie (and the trailer you just saw) is supposedly being used in the game so it's supposed to be the closest correlation between movie graphics and game graphics ever.
The
book [amazon.com] version is being written by Peter David, who has written TONS of stuff about the Hulk, including comics, other books, and even the Hulk's wedding. I'm looking forward to it... and I can imagine the Hulk as a big hulking green giant, and not the cute cuddly cartoon version of the movie... and it'll probably be closer to the comic, too.
First of all, I must admit that the CGI does look a little on the phoney side. That being said...
The size of the Hulk doesn't really matter. Just like in the comic books, where the size of the character, the proportions of his muscles, the angluarity of his overall form varies from one artist/comic to the next. If the Hulk varies in size through-out the movie, good for him. If he seems a little large, well, deal with it. It's a movie based on a comic book - double-suspension of disbelief.
Second, what's with black in CGI never looking 'right?' At least, that's what my brain is telling me whenever I see CGi that looks like... well... CGI - ie that the black of shadows and whatnot doesn't seem as dark as it actually is in nature.
Third, I was liking everything about the trailer until I saw that hell-hound looking thing standing on the tree-branch, and then a few frames later, the Hulk swatting it into oblivion. Is that supposed to be a real dog? Or some sort of hell-spawn dog that's going to destroy everything about the movie?
Four, I have to agree about the speed of his movement. The Hulk relies on brute strength to get things done - not brains, and certainly not speed. The bits where he leaps from place to place - yes. The shot of him windmilling his legs like the Flash gone gamma - no. Sorry, but no. Wrong.
Uhm. That's actually about all. I wish someone would do a *good* movie about Deadpool - more trash-talking, wise-crakin' than the comic book (not the movie) Spiderman, without the reliance on a mutant spider to get things moving.
I've posted this before but since people still seem to have problems with quicktime and linux I'll post it again w/ a bit more added on.
As everyone should be aware, mplayer playes quicktime movies on linux. Unfortunately, alot of people have problems with the audio. Basically, the problem is that the new quicktime movies use aac (advanced audio codec) audio instead of mp3 like older quicktime files. The solution of course is to install aac support for mplayer.
To do this, first you must install the codec. The codec that supports aac is available at audiocoding.com [audiocoding.com]. It's called FAAD2. I used the cvs (1.2 beta) so I don't know if the stable 1.1 will work. (The 1.1 requires a small patch to get it to compile with newer forms of the libsndfile or forms of gcc > 3.) Other than that it compiled fine. The second change is that the libraries for faad are installed in/usr/local/lib. Apperently mplayer doesn't, by default, look in/usr/local/lib. I symbolically linked the libraries to/usr/lib (where mplayer DOES look), but I assume you could add/usr/local/lib to the search path.
Hopefully this helps many of the people who want to run these and other quicktime files on linux. Mplayer has made great strides and while it's not perfect, (crashes if you try to run 2 qt files back to back without restarting), it is the best there is for linux, (or for that matter any other system). (As an alternate note, the rpm faad2-1.1-fr1.20030409.i386.rpm does not work. While it installs to the correct place, the mplayer config is not able to detect the version of faad from it. I've heard that it will work as long as you also install the devel package, but did not test it.)
Now, it turns out that it's pretty easy to embed mplayer into mozilla, (or in my case phoen...err, firebird). You just need to go to the mplayer plugin [sourceforge.net] project at sourceforge, download, compile and put in your plugin directory and mplayer will but up inside your browser so that those embeded-only files are no longer a problem.
Actually I thought the hulk was usually better about physics in that he usually wasn't lifting absurd things that would simply crumble.
The leaping would really be a function of how fast the muscles could contract and expand. Since he's obviously muscled to a point beyond extreme he probably could do these things. (Personally I liked in the comics when he was switching between brainless Hulk and Bruce Banner Hulk and came out of one of his rages while half-way through a leap. He paniced, created a huge c
While it is largely a moot point to argue the physics of a made up character in a made up similar world - assuming that he is a really big human and doesn't have special muscles... which again, is a silly presumption in a made up world... he is moving to fast in his leaps.
But yes, for the lifting and smashing parts, I like the physics - yay! But the jumping silliness, the plastic looking skin shaders in most scenes, and the movement physics are what annoy me.
To leap 50' in the air, you must be going 56.6 ft/s when leaving the ground, disregarding air resistance. Apogee will be in 1.77 seconds.
Assuming a linear acceleration, and a four foot period of acceleration from crouching to leaving the ground with legs extended, the average speed must be 28.3 ft/s over the four feet, for 0.14 seconds of acceleration, or 404 ft/s^2. 12.6 G's of acceleration isn't at all unreasonable for arm / leg contraction at light loads. You can make a >50G acceleration with a pitching motion of your arm.
12.6 G's of acceleration for an 800 pound hulk is only 10080 pounds, divided by two 24" long by 8" wide feet give a mere 26.25 psi force on the pavement.
If I botched these calculations, everyone is surely going to take the opportunity to say how the Armadillo vehicles will crash and burn...:-)
In the comics he's Bruce, in the TV show he's David. Not sure why.
Stan Lee liked names with both initials the same, Richard Reed, Bruce Banner, Peter Parker, etc. It helped him remember what the names were. The producers of the TV show changed it to David, because at the time, they felt "Bruce" would stir up homosexual connotations. In other words, they thought "Bruce" was gay and "David" was more manly. Side note, considering that "David" is the name of the naked statue that Michaelangelo sculpted, I'm not quite sure what they were thinking.
In the trailer, Banner claims that he likes becoming the Hulk
Nope, he doesn't like becoming the hulk, he's fighting it. He likes it once he's gone past the point of no return, when the hulk totally supresses his own thoughts and replaces them with pure animal rage. And he doesn't like the fact that he likes it.
Why try to find a cure for his Hulk-ness when he likes the destruction he causes?
Because, if you pay attention you'll see that he doesn't like the destruction. Dunno what you were watching, but it wasn't that trailer.
Hollywood has never gotten a comic book movie right since Superman
lol! Yeah, right, because flying around the earth to go back in time was "getting it right"! Wheee, same thing for the comic-relief Luthor huh?
Batman was getting it right (the first one). Spiderman was giving the horny teens what they wanted, wich commercially is getting it right but not in spirit. XMen got it right. Daredevil...hell, I like that better than Spiderman (at least the wet t-shirt moment wasn't so damned forced and pointless).
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Daredevil wasn't awful, the vision effects were really cool and the sound effects were the first in a movie that I felt they spent as much time on as the movie itself, as the sound played a really important role in certain scenes.
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I mean, ok, there where some cool vfx and sfx, but the story was crap, character development was artificial, not to mention the dialogue. The pacing was way off too, and many of the vfx shots were awfull.
And I didn't mind Afleck...but please don't call him a good actor. Afleck has one role he plays tollerably well, and that's himself. So he's not even versatile, let alone a 'good actor'.
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I would agree with this, it seemed to me that the movie had been cut up and redited several times, much like Batman And Robin.
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Oh... Wait....
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But what exactly is the story they have to stick to? He gets mad, he becomes the hulk, (I love that the TV hulk was just him with green skin, a ripped shirt, and tussled hair) the hulk then breaks stuff, and there's like evil to fight and stuff. I imagine even Stallone could ma
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> is very excited to go see it.
> I love that the TV hulk was just him with green skin, a ripped shirt, and tussled hair
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You don't hire that big of a star to stick behind a helmet, so you knew the helmet was going which means the uniform was going, so you needed a story were Dredd spend the majority of the movie out of uniform, QED a bad judge Dredd movie.
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You wouldn't like me when I'm Ang Lee.
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In the tv show, you had a regular ol doctor who turned into a giant green guy. But at least the giant green guy was a real person too, so it was a little more believable than turning into a 13 ft tall CG innovation. To me, they would have to do a lot more work to make the Hulk's movements, et al, look human...which, remember, is the point of the whole comic...
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I hear you can clear that up with some antibiotics.
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The Hulk has a very good Dr Jekyl/Mr Hyde subtext going on. They could make that work very well.
Plus, all the explosions and army guys! What more can a guy like?
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A functional plot for a movie, yes.
Movies these days aren't expected to have much plot. It's not like books. Heh, not at all. Even so, the Hulk comics waxed pretty good at times, even in terms of plot.
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the hulk rules!
i used to love that cartoon
now, when I watch it, its horrible..the story line sucks...which will hopefully make it a good movie
less love story, more hardcore action, unlike spiderman's lame ass movie plot
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Between Ang Lee's direction and what looks to be very dynamic character work, I think this wil be a very satisfying ride.
Some backstory
Everything from his relationship with his father to his girlfriend's father/nemesis has potential for interesting drama and conflict. From Julk History Page [buyersmls.com]Robert Bruce Banner was born in Dayton, Ohio, the son of Dr. Brian Banner and Rebecca Banner. He was loved by his mother, but hated by his alcoholic father, who was extremely jealous of his relationship with his mother. A former atomic physicist Brian concluded that Bruce's intelligence was a mutation derived from Brian's exposure to radiation. Brian Banner finally murdered his wife when she attempted to leave with Bruce. Bruce was raised by Rebecca's sister and later attended Science High School. He diverted his anger into his study of science. Bruce Banner attended Desert State University in Navapo, New Mexico, where he studied with such contemporaries as Walter Langkowski (a.k.a. Sasquatch) Peter Corbeau and Raoul Stoddard. Banner was a highly withdrawn intellectual unable to cope with emotions. Obtaining his doctorate in nuclear physics from the California Institute of Technology, Banner went to work at a nuclear research facility at Desert Base, New Mexico. Before the days before the Gamma Bomb accident that would create the Hulk, Banner's father was released from the mental hospital. This release would lead up to the last confrontation between Bruce Banner and his father at his mother's grave.
The Fatal Flaw makes the Hero (Score:5, Insightful)
Spiderman = Responsibility. Stan Lee's quip, "With great power comes great responsibility" may not be as catchy as "Up, Up and Away" or "To the Batmobile, Robin", but it's a lot more inspiring when you think about it. Pete Parker received a talent by random chance, an accident, something that he had no say about. That talent has been both blessing and curse to him. That talent is what makes the stories fun to read. What Pete does with that talent is what makes them meaningful.
Hulk = Rage. Bruce David Banner is a civilized, intelligent man. The raging child inside him is anything but. The writers of this book have spent years dousing for the sources of the ever-flowing font of rage that wells up within Banner's fractured soul. His father, his mother, his wife, his father-in-law, his employers. About the only thing they haven't thrown at poor Bruce, as far as I can recall, is children. It doesn't hurt the story any that it was the work of Bruce's own intellect (the gamma experiment) that set the monster within him loose. Now, every day that Bruce wakes up amid the wreckage of some unfamiliar place, he must ask "My God, what have I done?" of his actions taken both while monster and as a man.
Iron Man = Weakness. Bright and shiny on the outside, a lifestyle of flash and sparkle. But, within, there are flaws. Billionaire playboy inventor Tony Stark has a weak heart, is an alcoholic, and has no lasting relationships. Is his entire life a hollow shell? In addition, Iron Man must also deal with the constant possibilities that the handiwork of his mind, which is also the foundation of his fortune, can be so easily turned to evil by others. Iron Man, and to some extent the Hulk as well, must address the problem presented over and over in Tolkien's works: the creations of our intellects can turn against us to work great evil because all machines, once created, have no governing wisdom of their own. Bruce Banner's science opened Pandora's Box and found the Hulk inside. Tony Stark tried to create a better world through technology and learned that technology is equally powerful as a tool of evil.
Captain America = Idealism. Steve Rogers is a man of high ideals faced with a world filled with awful circumstances. Sure, he can try to fight the bad guy, but he's only human and he often fails. What's harder to fight are the situations where the country he loves hasn't lived those ideals.
X-Men = Alienation. While individual X-men have very individual stories, the series overall explores the question of conflict between diverse groups. The homo sapiens v. homo superior conflict serves as a metaphor not only for race relations, but for relationships between parents and children as well. Each mutant must deal with the feelings of isolation and loneliness they experience while acting out their personal mythology: "nothing like this has ever happened to anyone buy me."
Green Lantern (and Dare Devil) = Fear. Courage is an act that only those who feel fear can perform. I'm not sure that either of these characters lives up to their billing as being "without fear", but they both show that it's possible to act in situations that would scare the living @&%! out of any rational person.
To sum it up, every great hero needs a fatal flaw. The flaw is how the reader relates. The flaw is how the tale teaches. Stories in comics are just as full of flash and bang as any other mythic tale, but they can also be as full of substance.
'Nuff said.
Download URL (Score:5, Informative)
HULK SMAAAAASH!!! (Score:2, Funny)
I can feel it inside me. Sometimes when I lose control and flame everything... I think I like it...
FLAME!!!
Hulk? (Score:2)
But then again I said the same thing about X-Men...
Go calculate [webcalc.net] something
Better Choices (Score:2, Funny)
Don't make me angry... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Don't make me angry... (Score:2)
Re:Don't make me angry... (Score:4, Funny)
Ang Lee's directing, so more like:
Hulk BORED!
Re:Don't make me angry... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Don't make me angry... (Score:3, Funny)
Hell, I don't like you NOW.
-72
Re:Don't make me angry... (Score:2)
I got my first -1 in years for making the same comment a few seconds later. I suppose I should feel better that the guy who beat me to the punch got hit as well.
Well I think I will now go use my Mod points for good.
New Trailer for The Hulk? (Score:5, Funny)
I hope his trailer is made of something really strong, like adamantium(sp?) as in Wolverines bones. Stainless just does not stand up to the nasty temper of the Hulk!
Seems the most "comic booky" ... (Score:3, Insightful)
I was very surprised by how much of the Hulk they actually showed. I would have expected much more "teasing" up until the very end.
relative size (Score:2)
Cheesy Look (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Cheesy Look (Score:2, Interesting)
THAT shot of him looks real.
the rest looks like a giant toddler that is a bit too shiny and plastic looking.
Damning with a faint praise (Score:3, Insightful)
I did like X-Men, but if Hulk's only as good as Spiderman, I guess I won't be going to see it.
That said, I hope the end credit roll to the tune of the "Sad Piano Music" of the Bill Bixby/Lou Ferrigno series (as seen on Family Guy).
Re:Damning with a faint praise (Score:2)
Doc Bruce Banner
Belted by gamma rays
turns into the Hulk
ain't he un-glam-or-
Meh, I hope not.
music at the end (Score:2)
Trailer trash (Score:4, Funny)
Considering the Hulk's anger-management problem, is it really wise to put him up in another trailer? Maybe he should be forced to lie in the bed he has made. That's the only way he'll learn personal responsibility.
GF.
Re:Trailer trash (Score:5, Funny)
Maybe in the sequel, the Hulk will be ordered by the courts to have Jack Nicholson move in with him to help control his anger.
At least THAT would be a far more interesting anger management movie than the dreck the Adam Sandler is currently in.
Lies! Death to the infidels! (Score:2, Funny)
What's wrong with Quicktime ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:What's wrong with Quicktime ? (Score:2)
Because this is /., and it's cool to bash Apple. Not quite as cool as it is to bash MS (which is more justified), but still pretty cool.
In all seriousness though, the slashbots have a hard time supporting something mainstream. If people like it and use it, it's clearly not l33t enough. MP3 gets bashed in favor of Ogg; QuickTime gets bashed in favor of DivX; etc.
Re:What's wrong with Quicktime ? (Score:2)
Re:What's wrong with Quicktime ? (Score:3, Insightful)
-Sean
Re:What's wrong with Quicktime ? (Score:4, Insightful)
Matt
Re:What's wrong with Quicktime ? (Score:2)
Show me a DiVX technology for video streams and I will be one happy camper. I am afraid you can't.
Dude The Hulk can fly! (Score:2)
The Hulk can fly! And he's huge. Shrek on steroids!
I dunno...
Re:Dude The Hulk can fly! (Score:2)
Re:Dude The Hulk can fly! (Score:2, Funny)
I was watching old Superfriends shows on Cartoon Network, apparently Bat Man could fly too.
Oh yeah, and Wonder Woman flies now too in the new Justice League cartoons.
Spiderman doesnt fly, but somehow he can swing above the roofline of a city. Just what does he attach his webs too, birds?
The problem with these cartoons is that they arent realistic.
Re:Dude The Hulk can fly! (Score:2)
Re:Dude The Hulk can fly! (Score:4, Funny)
How true.
Every one I know from planet Krypton can't fly (but man they sure can jump high) and those two guys that I work with who were bitten by those radioactive spiders still only take the bus to get through the city.
Join me brothers in our fight to maintain realism and accuracy in our comic books!
Another misuse of CGI (Score:5, Interesting)
A big muscleman with green greasepaint would move much more convincingly, Lou Ferigno (sp?) made a more convincing Hulk than an animated model. Roll Big Poppa Pump around in some grass clippings and have him hulk around.
Sometimes the most simple and conventional SFX are the most convincing on screen. CGI is great for aliens and monsters and stuff like that, but there are too many subtleties with human movement that we're all subconciously accustomed to.
Plus, the "making of" documentaries are now just filming a couple nerds sitting in front of a 22 inch monitor looking at wire models.
Re:Another misuse of CGI (Score:5, Insightful)
Back when CGI was used to create things that didn't exist, or create spectacular scenes and special effects that'd be near impossible to make with conventional films. For a while now however, CGI is simply the cheaper alternative. It's easier, faster and cheaper to blow up something in a computer than to actually rig explosives, if it looks real is irrelevant. It is a step back to the corny special effects of previous decades where the audience is asked to not look to closely at the screen. When CGI is used to create scenes that are hard to do in reality it is a Good Thing, when it's used to keep the budget down it usually tends to suck badly.
Re:Another misuse of CGI (Score:3)
Re:Another misuse of CGI (Score:2)
Do some tricky camera work like LOTR and make him look way bigger than everyone/everything else...use wires and shit to make him throw people around...
I think thats why I can watch the matrix 50 times and spiderman once (and only because of female influence)...cool fight scenes are wayyy better if its real people rather than computer animation. I would rather people punching people, throwing them around, all done on wires, good camera work, etc.
Producers: grab some balls and make
Size Matters (Score:2)
I would imagine that one of the reasons why Bill Bixby played Dr. David Banner in the Hulk TV series was that he was a pretty little guy - the transformation of him into the Hulk would be a bit more believeable because of the size difference between Bixby and Ferrigno.
And yes, for you st
Talk about interesting shows to make movies of... (Score:3, Funny)
Daredevil (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Daredevil (Score:2)
It's because you have no experience with DD that you thought it was good. Read some of the comic books and see for yourself.
SealBeater
Re:Daredevil (Score:4, Interesting)
That's probably true. But it raises an interesting question:
What makes a "good" comic book movie?
a) the one that can manage the most suspension of disbelief (i.e. makes the story the "realest")?
b) the one that sticks closest to canon?
c) the one that throws continuity out the window, but goes for the best "interpretation" of the "spirit" of the comic?
d) The one that makes the most money because the most people like it?
Re:Daredevil (Score:2)
into some of the best known comics. Spiderman almost succeded, X-men did a
pretty good job. Personally, I feel the ones that stick closest to canon are
the best, seeing as how the comics have a huge fan base already. I will
probably never understand why movie studios feel they can do a better job
telling a story then the writers that actually built a huge foundation already.
I understand that character development oftentimes need give
Re:Daredevil (Score:2)
Saying all that I kinda enjoyed it, though most of the good bits were ripped off from Tim Burtons first Batman film.
Hrmm.... (Score:2)
I'll still probably see it in the first week (comic book movies are my escape from reality), but instead of thinking "This will be cool" I'll be thinking "I hope it doesn't suck".
Thank god (Score:2)
I see $$$ $signs (Score:2)
Errr. what's this new laura croft movie... (Score:2)
CG (Score:2)
Hope they include classic Hulk theme (Score:5, Funny)
Belted by gamma rays,
Turned into the Hulk.
Ain't he unglamo-rays!
Wreckin' the town
With the power of a bull,
Ain't no monster clown
Who is that lovable?
It's ever lovin' Hulk! HULK!! HULK!!"
Maybe Smashmouth could do it.
Next comic hero on the screen... (Score:2, Interesting)
Bringing the tech of the armor to the movies should be interesting with the effects that are possible today.
Re Iron Man (Score:4, Interesting)
Ug... (Score:2)
Plus, I thought DD was fairly decent having collected the comics growing up...
I can think of two reasons to see this film: (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I can think of two reasons to see this film: (Score:3, Funny)
Hot grits! Geez, who's the new guy?
they know what sells movies (Score:2)
Music? (Score:2)
info on related game (Score:2)
Read the book! (Score:5, Informative)
(disclaimer: that is a sponsered link)
I'm confused.... (Score:2)
Re:I'm confused.... (Score:2)
Size Changes, etc. (Score:3, Interesting)
The size of the Hulk doesn't really matter. Just like in the comic books, where the size of the character, the proportions of his muscles, the angluarity of his overall form varies from one artist/comic to the next. If the Hulk varies in size through-out the movie, good for him. If he seems a little large, well, deal with it. It's a movie based on a comic book - double-suspension of disbelief.
Second, what's with black in CGI never looking 'right?' At least, that's what my brain is telling me whenever I see CGi that looks like... well... CGI - ie that the black of shadows and whatnot doesn't seem as dark as it actually is in nature.
Third, I was liking everything about the trailer until I saw that hell-hound looking thing standing on the tree-branch, and then a few frames later, the Hulk swatting it into oblivion. Is that supposed to be a real dog? Or some sort of hell-spawn dog that's going to destroy everything about the movie?
Four, I have to agree about the speed of his movement. The Hulk relies on brute strength to get things done - not brains, and certainly not speed. The bits where he leaps from place to place - yes. The shot of him windmilling his legs like the Flash gone gamma - no. Sorry, but no. Wrong.
Uhm. That's actually about all. I wish someone would do a *good* movie about Deadpool - more trash-talking, wise-crakin' than the comic book (not the movie) Spiderman, without the reliance on a mutant spider to get things moving.
Been there ... (Score:2)
For those having trouble playing it: (Score:5, Informative)
As everyone should be aware, mplayer playes quicktime movies on linux. Unfortunately, alot of people have problems with the audio. Basically, the problem is that the new quicktime movies use aac (advanced audio codec) audio instead of mp3 like older quicktime files. The solution of course is to install aac support for mplayer.
To do this, first you must install the codec. The codec that supports aac is available at audiocoding.com [audiocoding.com]. It's called FAAD2. I used the cvs (1.2 beta) so I don't know if the stable 1.1 will work. (The 1.1 requires a small patch to get it to compile with newer forms of the libsndfile or forms of gcc > 3.) Other than that it compiled fine. The second change is that the libraries for faad are installed in /usr/local/lib. Apperently mplayer doesn't, by default, look in /usr/local/lib. I symbolically linked the libraries to /usr/lib (where mplayer DOES look), but I assume you could add /usr/local/lib to the search path.
Hopefully this helps many of the people who want to run these and other quicktime files on linux. Mplayer has made great strides and while it's not perfect, (crashes if you try to run 2 qt files back to back without restarting), it is the best there is for linux, (or for that matter any other system). (As an alternate note, the rpm faad2-1.1-fr1.20030409.i386.rpm does not work. While it installs to the correct place, the mplayer config is not able to detect the version of faad from it. I've heard that it will work as long as you also install the devel package, but did not test it.)
Now, it turns out that it's pretty easy to embed mplayer into mozilla, (or in my case phoen...err, firebird). You just need to go to the mplayer plugin [sourceforge.net] project at sourceforge, download, compile and put in your plugin directory and mplayer will but up inside your browser so that those embeded-only files are no longer a problem.
Re:WTF (Score:3, Funny)
Poor little guy (Score:2)
Is Quicktime for almost every damn trailer coming out of Hollywood too hard for you sweetie?
Re:WTF (Score:2)
SealBeater
Re:Quicktime! (Score:2)
I dunno, MPlayer [mplayerhq.hu] and Xine [sourceforge.net] sound pretty free to me...
Re:Umm, you are kidding right ? (Score:2)
Physics?!? (Score:2, Interesting)
The leaping would really be a function of how fast the muscles could contract and expand. Since he's obviously muscled to a point beyond extreme he probably could do these things. (Personally I liked in the comics when he was switching between brainless Hulk and Bruce Banner Hulk and came out of one of his rages while half-way through a leap. He paniced, created a huge c
Re:Physics?!? (Score:2, Interesting)
But yes, for the lifting and smashing parts, I like the physics - yay! But the jumping silliness, the plastic looking skin shaders in most scenes, and the movement physics are what annoy me.
Again - I really think I need to just work on s
Re:Physics?!? (Score:5, Interesting)
Assuming a linear acceleration, and a four foot period of acceleration from crouching to leaving the ground with legs extended, the average speed must be 28.3 ft/s over the four feet, for 0.14 seconds of acceleration, or 404 ft/s^2. 12.6 G's of acceleration isn't at all unreasonable for arm / leg contraction at light loads. You can make a >50G acceleration with a pitching motion of your arm.
12.6 G's of acceleration for an 800 pound hulk is only 10080 pounds, divided by two 24" long by 8" wide feet give a mere 26.25 psi force on the pavement.
If I botched these calculations, everyone is surely going to take the opportunity to say how the Armadillo vehicles will crash and burn...
John Carmack
Re:Big cuddly monster (Score:2)
a cartoon looks cartoony.
Looks like they did a flawless job, unlike spiderman's horrible cross of toby and computer animation
Re:More from the TV show? (Score:5, Interesting)
why.
Stan Lee liked names with both initials the same, Richard Reed, Bruce Banner,
Peter Parker, etc. It helped him remember what the names were. The producers
of the TV show changed it to David, because at the time, they felt "Bruce"
would stir up homosexual connotations. In other words, they thought "Bruce"
was gay and "David" was more manly. Side note, considering that "David" is the
name of the naked statue that Michaelangelo sculpted, I'm not quite sure what
they were thinking.
SealBeater
Re:No Way (Score:2)
Come on, there must be a tiny glimmer of admiration for the first Batman movie somewhere in your heart...
Are you high? (Score:5, Insightful)
Nope, he doesn't like becoming the hulk, he's fighting it. He likes it once he's gone past the point of no return, when the hulk totally supresses his own thoughts and replaces them with pure animal rage. And he doesn't like the fact that he likes it.
Why try to find a cure for his Hulk-ness when he likes the destruction he causes?
Because, if you pay attention you'll see that he doesn't like the destruction. Dunno what you were watching, but it wasn't that trailer.
Hollywood has never gotten a comic book movie right since Superman
lol!
Yeah, right, because flying around the earth to go back in time was "getting it right"! Wheee, same thing for the comic-relief Luthor huh?
Batman was getting it right (the first one).
Spiderman was giving the horny teens what they wanted, wich commercially is getting it right but not in spirit.
XMen got it right.
Daredevil...hell, I like that better than Spiderman (at least the wet t-shirt moment wasn't so damned forced and pointless).