William Gibson on Blogging 180
The Ape With No Name writes "With Pattern Recognition now out, Gibson talks to the Guardian about blogging, which ones he's looking at and why he may have to quit blogging himself. He's quoted as saying '...if I'm ever going to write another book, I'm going to have to quit doing my blog as I have a hunch it interferes with the ecology of being a novelist.'"
Blogging ruining his flow as a writer... (Score:5, Interesting)
Could going back to the stream of consciousness style actually screw you up when trying to write a novel??
Re:Blogging ruining his flow as a writer... (Score:4, Interesting)
Was Desolation Angels before or after on the road? (Score:1)
It's him on a mountain top, and what he thinks. Not much of an underlying story aside from a few rats attempting to hyjack his food.
Great book.
Re:Blogging ruining his flow as a writer... (Score:2)
The entire novel is written in present tense, but spans the entire youth of the author.
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I'm not sure how the web factors into "On the Road", which was certainly a log, I don't know about blog.
Re:Blogging ruining his flow as a writer... (Score:3, Informative)
Personally, I find that I don't blog or anything like that because I don't have all that much interesting to say on a day to day basis, and what I do have to say I put into other forms.
Re:Blogging ruining his flow as a writer... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Blogging ruining his flow as a writer... (Score:4, Insightful)
James Joyce was doing hypertext, blogging and all that a century ago.
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Max
Re:Blogging ruining his flow as a writer... (Score:1, Interesting)
If you're talking about an entire novel in stream of consciousness style that is something different. Some people like it, some people don't. Someone mentioned Faulkner and that is a great example. A more contemporary example would be Toni Morrison; a few of her books have
Re:Blogging ruining his flow as a writer... (Score:1)
Seems to have worked out ok for James Joyce.
Re:Blogging ruining his flow as a writer... (Score:2)
There seems to be a misconception about stream of consciousness. It isn't about dumping all your thoughts down on paper. Stream of consciousness is a deliberate, conscious technique, used to try and recreate the thought processes of the character, not the author.
Re: Blogging ruining his flow as a writer... (Score:3, Informative)
At a signing, Gibson said that he felt that stories were more convincing when drawn from reality; lots & lots of detail lead to a more immersive work. He's writing about something he finds an interesting detail either way. What he writes in the blog could well have gone into a novel instead, & so the blog sort of interferes.
The main problem with Blogs (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:The main problem with Blogs (Score:4, Funny)
I've got a friend with a degree in ... you guessed it ... Philosophy. They way he explained it to me is "I don't have a job. But I can explain you why at great lenght."
I guess it makes sense...
Re: TAKE OFF EVERY BLOG (Score:5, Insightful)
I can get a google search with porn turned off; why can't I get blogs turned off too?
Re: TAKE OFF EVERY BLOG (Score:2, Informative)
Re: TAKE OFF EVERY BLOG (Score:1)
when a major political or social even happens, google is noised to the brim with blogs and you have to start at result number 40 or so before you get past the blogs. I can get a google search with porn turned off; why can't I get blogs turned off too?
Then I suggest you use Google News [google.com].
Re: TAKE OFF EVERY BLOG (Score:4, Insightful)
Come to think of it, the main difference between blogs and other sources of information are editors. I think we all need one.
Re: TAKE OFF EVERY BLOG (Score:2)
Re: TAKE OFF EVERY BLOG (Score:2)
Wow!! You got your comment refrenced directly by the Register [theregister.co.uk]
You must be proud.
And to keep this on topic, It's great that google is going to filter out blogs. It should clean up the search results nicely.
Hold on now... (Score:3, Insightful)
rk
Re:The main problem with Blogs (Score:1, Flamebait)
This story, by the way, was mentioned on the amusing (for all the wrong reasons) Register site in the UK, with predictably hilarious results!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/30403.ht m l
Such as:
"He's an artist, which means he collects and refines ideas over t
Re:The main problem with Blogs (Score:4, Interesting)
I partially agree with this. There's a lot of really good books out there, and going for the "classics" is a good way to find good books fast.
In general I find SF books more interesting than most books though. I just read a note by Philip K Dick were he pretty much nailed it with the comment that most stories are more about style than content. This makes for interesting reading, but not much thinking.
If I want interesting ideas I'd rather pick up a SF book I'm recommended than a typical classic. And often that is because since the book is a "classic" the provocative ideas in it are not really all that provocative any longer. Swift, Voltaire and such classical authors spring to mind. While "Candide" is a good book and was (at the time) provocative I find the ideas now are more interesting from a historical perspective than as ideas.
Re:The main problem with Blogs (Score:3, Insightful)
By PKD I can recommend you to read a couple of short stories. "We can remember it for you wholesale" (Total recall), "Minority report" are two big ones that got turned into movies. Basically there's a very large amount of good short stories he's written. Novellas I can recommend Ubik, and I've heard good things about "Flow my tears the policeman said" and some other I can remember the name of. (Ckeck Amazon and you should get some ideas.) PKD has some of the most
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Beware. If you have spent the last few years reading Gibson considering him a "treasure" to the english language, then attempting to digest "The Sound and the Fury" could cause you physical harm. One of the greatest books written, this is not light reading. Could sprain your brain right before it expands your horizons. For those of us who enjoy brain sprain through literature, this is near the pinnacle.
"As I Lay Dying," also by Faulkner is one of my favorite
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steganography, reviewers and dictionaries.... (Score:2, Funny)
I'm really looking forward to reading it, when I can find someone to borrow it off
Re:steganography, reviewers and dictionaries.... (Score:5, Informative)
Come on. It's based on the premise of someone releasing video clips onto the internet and people finding them. There's a whole cult following, and a marketing mogul catches wind of it and finances the main character so she can get to the root of it. Bor-ing. But since ATP was so bad, I decided to give him another chance. Never again, Mr. Gibson. At least I have the older books to remember when he was great.
BTW nazi mods, this isn't a troll. Take it with a grain of salt.
Re:steganography, reviewers and dictionaries.... (Score:5, Insightful)
I find that in his latest books, namely All Tomorrow's Parties and Pattern Recognition, Gibson has moved away from his previous style of "dark cyberpunk". Instead, he explores in detail how technology has social reprecussions.
In ATP, it was a basically about how the matrix of that future made it possible for certain individuals to see future change:ie. Laney. He doesn't emphasize it very much, but what this change in ATP was the advent of nano-fabrication, which is why in the last chapter he talks about how a watch is restored using nano-technology.
In Pattern Recogniton, it is all about the Internet. How messageboards/forums appeal to introverts like Cayce. Even key events, such as the list of numbers hidden in the fragments of the video clips were obtained through F:F:F.
Remember the girl who Taki thought was a japanese school girl but was actually a bartender they took a picture of to get him to give Cayce the numbers? Later on this girl (Judy Tsuzuki) finds out about the whole scam and falls in love with Taki, or so she professes. Someone she has never met before.
And in the ending, he reveals to us that Cayce has hooked up with Parkaboy in a boy-girl relationship. So, i feel that Pattern Recognition is more a commentary on how the Internet has allowed introverts to go about forming human relationships in a non-conventional way, rather than a dark and sharp cyberpunk thriller.
Re:steganography, reviewers and dictionaries.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Gibson has always been about exploring social connotations of technical evolution; hell, the whole genre is about that. Asimov had his decades of exploring the concept of humans living with robots and the pitfalls and joys they might encounter. Gibson now seems to be taking less the position of fortune teller and more the position of commentator on our times. Unless you're living in a coma, PR won't come as a surprise, and it's version of tomorrow could literally be tomorrow.
Call me old fashioned, but I liked his writing better when he wrote about the gritty, dirty underworld of the supercool. Maybe he SHOULD stop blogging.
Re:steganography, reviewers and dictionaries.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Remember the story a year of so ago, here on Slashdot, about the guy on the (gaming I think) message board that made a female character, then made up his own relationship with her, and finally , when he got bor
agreed (Score:2)
No arguement on ATP -- the only reason it was published is Gibson's name. IMHO.
Re:steganography, reviewers and dictionaries.... (Score:2)
And WTF was up with Virtual Light? Did he write that right after he finished reading Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash"?
I pretty much have no further interest in anything involving Gibson: his 15 minutes ended years ago.
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Ironically enough, I like Stephenson better than Gibson now (for his more current works), when in the beginning I sought the same type of material as Gibson and found Stephenson. Cryptonomicon is an epic masterpiece th
Re: steganography, reviewers and dictionaries.... (Score:1)
Consulting can be rewarding in more ways (Score:2)
Try Strebe. [amazon.com] This book is really difficult to get your hands on nowadays.. A friend picked up a couple of copies for myself and another potential business partner.
The article is not about blogging (Score:5, Informative)
In fact, the gist of the article is about sites he likes and visits often...
Err, and it's not even an article per se... shouldn't this be categorized under Interviews instead?
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Wiliam Gibson, newbie :) (Score:2)
Jon Acheson
FYI (Score:5, Informative)
Re:FYI (Score:2)
meaning changed (Score:5, Interesting)
I've once started a blog myself. Didn't last too long. The process of starting on including installing etc. was more fun to me than writing in it every day
Re:meaning changed (Score:1)
Remember when the phrase "web portal" used to mean something? The same dilution is happening here.
Re:meaning changed (Score:2)
You mean that the association is breaking down between a medium and a certain type of writer &/or certain type of attitude. That is a valid point, but it doesn't mean that blogging as a concept is losing its meaning. Its meaning is just expanding, along with the practice. The acutal technique of blogging is al
Puff piece (Score:2, Insightful)
Discipline (Score:5, Insightful)
Blogging is the antithesis of goal driven composition, and it's about time this was understood.
Not True (Score:2)
give me a break (Score:2)
Re:give me a break (Score:2)
One has nothing to do with the other
So they're simultaneously the opposites and nothing to do with each other?
Nice trick.
Oh, and your original post was definitely trolling. Making an insulting statement that's untrue and has nothing to back it up... now that's a troll.
bite me (Score:2)
Re:Discipline (Score:1)
Depends on your goal. I used to maintain two blogs, one for posting drafts of poems and prose, and the other for brainstorming and freewriting. They afforded me a place for language play, experimentation and growth as a writer. I also found input from my peers to be invaluable; when I refined the best blog snippets into proper prose or poetry, I found the comments of my blogging community to be remarkably usefu
BLOGs (Score:1, Offtopic)
And why is it that almost all of them use the same non-text-resizeable template, rendering words to display about the size of the period that ends this sentence.
Re:BLOGs (Score:2)
Alternatively, it's just possible that anyone can keep an online journal. Or post on Slashdot. Or use IRC. Or do whatever they like.
Re:BLOGs (Score:2)
I agree about the tiny default size of many fonts but the inability to resize the text is the fault of the browser. Mozilla and most other browsers (besides IE) handle that quite nicely.
Looks like an ad to me (Score:1, Flamebait)
Here's a summary, stripped of the verbiage:
Is there an art to blogging?
A vague question and I'll give you an equally vague answer with a lot of buzzwords thrown in. And oh, while I'm at it, I think I'll say something about my book. "interferes with the ecology of being a novelist".
Yeah right. Whatever.
What constitutes a good blog?
No idea. When the war broke out blogging became popular.
What a relevant answer!
Do you f
blogging gets in the way of writing? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why would writers write in their free time [japantimes.com]?
For me, as long as I can get away with taking one or even two week breaks from the blog [issho.org], it is not a problem. "Write when you need to, blog when you can," is about where I find myself at the moment.
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I can understand (Score:5, Insightful)
rivetting read (Score:4, Insightful)
The kind of article/interview that would put anyone off Gibson forever. I'm so glad i just finished reading the brilliant Virtual Light trilogy, before finding out that he visits bbc, cnn and google. If those were the most interesting sites he could think of, it probably means he sticks to surfing pr0n only.
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I fail to see what his choice of news sources has to do with his ability to write well. Does knowing that he prefers to visit CCN, BBC, or Google somehow make you enjoy his books less? If so, I think y
Re:rivetting read (Score:2)
Gibson was a pioneer, a trailblazer. I like him just enough to not call him a one-hit-wonder, but that's kinda how it's turned out.
Re:rivetting read (Score:2)
And if you think Virtual Light ripped off Snow Crash, go check the publication dates again.
Re:rivetting read (Score:2)
I concur. According to isbn.nu [isbn.nu], Snow Crash was published in hardcover by Bantam Doubleday Dell on June 1, 1992. Virtual Light's hardcover came out through the same publishing house on September 1, 1993.
That's a span of 15 months. Subtract the time used to actually publish a book -- several months to edit, proofread, design cover, produce galleys, typeset, plan marketing -- and Gibson would probably have to have be
Call me cynical (Score:4, Insightful)
Personally I found this pretentious bollox. Smacks more of an author trying to cash in on the current albeit dying fad of blogging to help promote his new book.
Newsflash William. Writing juvenile gibberish on a web page is not a form of higher art. Stick to the novels.
Re:Call me cynical (Score:5, Insightful)
how exactly is blogging dying? from everything i have observed, weblogs (on whatever issue; politics, technology, religion, personal) have been getting more popular. in fact, when america attacked iraq back in march, several "warblogs" carried unbiased information about what was going on. these places got millions of hits per day when conflict broke, and they might have been getting a couple hundred a day before that.
blogging is far from dying
also, gibson usually gets rather deep with his entries, more of an insight into his mind than a "OMFG taht chick r0xx0rz
*shrug*
Re:Call me cynical (Score:2, Insightful)
Overall, blogging seems to be becoming like thousands of nameless porn sites, barely scrapping by, while the established few continue to make money, baised on name alone.
He mentioned this... (Score:5, Interesting)
He said it's difficult because the 'blog provides an outlet for your thoughts and material, it doesn't have chance to accumulate.
So he doesn't 'blog when he is writing, that gives him chance to fill a store of thought enough to fill a book.
Authors' blogs (Score:4, Interesting)
Neil Gaiman [neilgaiman.com] is writing very conversationally, responding to questions. (In verifying the address, I noticed he has written about this topic already [neilgaiman.com].)
Elsewhere, Warren Ellis [diepunyhumans.com] & Bruce Sterling [infinitematrix.net] are just commenting on stuff that comes up as they research their upcoming work. Cory Doctorow (and co.) [boingboing.net] & Charlie Stross [antipope.org] just have more varied interests than Gibson, I guess. And hell, the way they're working on a new story is in a blog [craphound.com].
Um. I feel weird that I'm pointing out so many examples. I read all these regularly, though.
The Guardian (Score:4, Informative)
Also, The Guardian is absolutely obsessed with blogs. Every week, the supplement will feature one of the following articles: "Are Blogs the new Journalism?", "Wi-Fi Blogging - Is this the Future for Reporting?", "Blogging - Journalism for Everyone?", etc., ad nauseam.
The last decent one I remember is Dave Green being cynical [guardian.co.uk].
Re:The Guardian (Score:2)
Yes, but Dave Green is god.
Niche Blogs (Score:4, Interesting)
Anyway, I guess I am trying to say that not all blogs are just random thoughts about how someones school lunch smelled like a nursing home.
Rocket Car... (Score:1)
Pournelle proves you can... (Score:4, Informative)
Somehow he finds time to write novels while running a very insightful blog, writing a column for Byte, keeping active in the amatuer aerospace community, and generally having a life. I don't know how he does it, epecially at his age.
He proves that blogs and more, the internet, can coexist with real life(tm)
(for authors at least).
Re:Pournelle proves you can... (Score:2)
What a strange analogy! (Score:4, Funny)
Does that mean the process of being a novelist involves eating your way up the food-chain until you either die or are excreted back to the bottom? :^)
Blogging is a waste of time (Score:3, Interesting)
Perhaps he should keep writing in his weblog (Score:2)
Stick to the Star Trek "novels" Guys (Score:2)
Re:Stick to the Star Trek "novels" Guys (Score:2)
Others, though, have done more than I:
Joyce is a poet and also an elephantine pedant. -- George Orwell
Never did I read such tosh. As for the first two chapters we will let them pass, but the 3rd 4th 5th 6th -- merely the scratching of pimples on the body of the bootboy at Claridges. -- Virginia Woolf
Re:Perhaps he should keep writing in his weblog (Score:2, Funny)
At least he did give us the term quark:
Three quarks for Muster Mark!
Sure he hasn't got much of a bark
And sure any he has it's all beside the mark."
good article (Score:2)
why blogging is good (Score:5, Interesting)
The most important thing about blogging IMO is that it allows the average person to easily be a producer on the net instead of just a passive consumer (ala TV). Weblogs also allow for the publication of very obscure and specific content that would not exist otherwise (such as a weblog about various things to wget and curl [superdeluxo.com]).
Sure, there is a lot of crap in blogs, but everyone has something worthwhile to say once in a while. There are a lot of very smart people who write weblogs.
Those who think blogging is pretentious should read the following entry on Dave Winer's Scripting News [userland.com].
Those in power always resist something new that empowers the masses in what was formerly their exclusive domain (such as news organizations suppressing the weblogs of reporters, and elitist intellectuals who think expressing opinion should be their privilege only).
None of our writing is wasted (Score:2)
Manufactured terms (Score:4, Insightful)
So you form an idea of what each word seems to mean out of the context - like you do when you hear a novel word.
Finally most if not all of the new terms are explained a little while after they are first used, giving an interesting experience of how your deduced meaning matches the intended one.
Re:Manufactured terms (Score:2)
Tolkien was a liguist (but not very cunning!
Re:Another novel? (Score:3, Interesting)
Things like A Clockwork Orange, some of Kurt Vonnegut's stuff (Cat's Cradle comes to mind), a good chunk of Tolkein, all with invented words must be just horrid for you.
Ah well, somebody has to buy the mainstream stuff, right?
hold on a second! (Score:2, Funny)
--TRR