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Return Of The King Footage From E3 166

Arathorn writes "TheOneRing.net has a Quicktime movie up of just over a minute's worth of live footage from Return of The King , as shown at E3. The quality's pretty abysmal, but it gives a much-needed taster of what RoTK's going to look like. The soundtrack (such as it is) is from the final act of The Two Towers." Update: 05/21 18:47 GMT by T : Reader Adam Roben has set up a BitTorrent session as well.
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Return Of The King Footage From E3

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @03:51AM (#6005462)
    For the novelization!!! I hope it's as good as the movie.
    • Re:I can't wait (Score:4, Interesting)

      by psychonaut ( 65759 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @06:58AM (#6006001)
      You intended that post as a joke, but there really was a novelization of the 1970s animated LotR film. It was marketed as a book for older children and had lots of illustrations taken from the film.
      • I've got that. It's really more of a coffee table book than a novelization. And, in that case, it is better than the film. I know that Bakshi film was cutting edge for it's day, but I saw it again a little while back and was bored.
        • I've also got it... Yes, it's sort of coffee table book in shape, but it's rather heavy on the text to be classified with your standard browsable fare. It was really a work of narrative fiction based on the film, attractively packaged so that people would buy it for their kids who might not have had the patience to read through the x-thousand-page Tolkien original. I agree that it's more interesting than the movie version. :)
        • Bakshi is a hack. Other than the two Fritz the Cat movies, none of his other work is worth mentioning. He's one of the most overratted animators in history.
  • Wow, live footage (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Savatte ( 111615 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @03:54AM (#6005473) Homepage Journal
    I could have sworn they already filmed the movie.

    But seriously, one minute of footage in poor quality out of 180 isn't too much to get excited about. Just wait for the movie, folks. It's not that much longer. We had to wait 18 years for the fourth star wars movie.
  • RoTK (Score:5, Funny)

    by Roto-Rooter Man ( 520267 ) <cleanthosepipes@hotmail.com> on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @03:56AM (#6005483) Homepage Journal
    Okay. Why is 'T' capitalized, but not 'o'? Don't capitalization rules stipulate that both short prepositions and articles begin with lowercase letters in titles? Normally I wouldn't gripe about this, but we're trying to make a new acronym here. Let't not screw it up!
  • Umm... the game? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Uller-RM ( 65231 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @03:58AM (#6005493) Homepage
    The video is of the Return of the King video game, as shown at E3... not the movie.

    At least, that's what the article seems to imply.
    • I sure hope EA comes out with the RoTK game for the Xbox in a timely manner. Last time with the Two Towers game (an awesome game, BTW) the Xbox version didn't come out for 5 months or so after it was out for the PS2. I also hope it's as good at least as the Two Towers game was.
  • by noackjr ( 541550 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @04:04AM (#6005510)
    Subject says it all...
  • by shmuc ( 70684 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @04:08AM (#6005528) Journal
    Why is the clip horrible in quality? Because it's a video tape of the screen at E3.
  • by GothChip ( 123005 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @04:16AM (#6005547) Homepage
    All three LOTR films were filmed at the same time so they have a consistent look and feel about them.
  • LAME.... (Score:1, Flamebait)

    by makoffee ( 145275 )
    I was disapointed in that footage for sure.
  • by Erik K. Veland ( 574016 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @04:45AM (#6005621) Homepage
    Fading in and out of poor quality images of faces we know from the previous movies. Zooming through New Zeealand landscape. Some bows aiming upwards. Riding through the forest on Shadowfax.

    And it ends with some crappy looking fighting by Gandalf that HAS to be from the video game, or I would kill myself watching that on a big screen.
    • "Zooming through New Zeealand landscape"

      Might've been the cameraman playing with his camera whole he was sitting in the cinema

      (Aha! Real purpose of footage revealed! He was trying to get a closeup of thingamajich's breasts!) Say, there wasn't any shuddering while he was filming this, was there?

      BTW, just a question....could you spot the difference between a movie shot in (for example) the UK and Nieuw Zeealand?

      (I know I can, but then I drive through/over it everyday - looks a lot like the UK if you ask m
  • by jade42 ( 608565 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @04:59AM (#6005646) Journal
    like a cookie, but not so good like it's your favourite cookie. Any new material from the next film is always a treat but I don't see anything that I didn't expect. What kind of spoilers were in there anyway? In summary: good stuff, no surprises.
  • Spoiler (Score:4, Funny)

    by WebfishUK ( 249858 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @05:00AM (#6005648)


    It mentioned this being a "spoiler" on the website,but who the fuck hasn't read the book?

    • Re:Spoiler (Score:5, Interesting)

      by NeoSkandranon ( 515696 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @09:30AM (#6006675)
      It would truly sadden you to know just how many people havent read the book, or started and stopped because they thought it was boring. You forget that Geeks are one of the subcultures nowadays that actually read regularly
      • Re:Spoiler (Score:3, Funny)

        by bigpat ( 158134 )
        Geek reading is probably not exactly Shakespeare, I mostly just read Slashdot. Which is probably more like that experiment [slashdot.org] with the monkeys.
      • Re:Spoiler (Score:1, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        It IS fucking boring. Too slow. I was reading the first book and literally skimmed over entire chapters. Way too much singing too, and I'm glad that got left out of the movie (like, say, in the Prancing Pony scene), or it would have been a friggin musical. This movie will do FAR more to expose the 'unwashed masses' to LotR that all the geek advocacy of the last 2 decades put together.
    • Re:Spoiler (Score:3, Interesting)

      by PovRayMan ( 31900 )
      After seeing Fellowship of the Ring I decided it was time to start reading the books. I always had them, I just never read them.

      It wasn't until two months before the release of The Two Towers movie that I began with The Hobbit. By the time I saw TTT I was halfway through reading Fellowship. Around the end of March I had just finished reading Return of the King.

      I'm glad I waited until now to read them, because I definatly had a better appreciation for what he wrote. Up until then everything was a spoi
    • Re:Spoiler (Score:2, Funny)

      by Rorgg ( 673851 )
      On a game-guild messageboard I frequent, one of the other mods wanted to mark all the LotR stuff as spoilers, since she hadn't read the book. So I added a warning to the top of the board: Please mark all LotR movie info as **SPOILER** because Mynn's been really busy for the last 50 years. Psst -- Romeo and Juliet both die! Muahahaha! I'm an evil spoiler!
    • I haven't. Being a full time student + working 20 hrs/week keeps me plenty busy.

      Once the 1st movie came out I thought about reading the books, but decided I'd rather enjoy them in movie form first, and then fill in the gaps with the books.

      I hate knowing the ending to a movie, and so will not read the books until after I see the 3rd movie.

      I did read The Hobbit though..
    • While walking out of the theater after seeing The Two Towers, someone said they overheard:

      "Oh, MAN! We have to wait another whole YEAR to find out how it ends!"
    • It mentioned this being a "spoiler" on the website,but who the fuck hasn't read the book?

      I haven't read the book! (Don't like travelogs !)
  • LotR Music (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Bombula ( 670389 )
    I have to say that I was disappointed in the music in the first two films, if only for the reason that it is not memorable in an epic John Williams sort of way. I mean, if 99% of people can up and hum the theme to Star Wars or Raiders of the Lost Ark, then surely the film version one of the greatest works of 20th century literature should have a tune you can remember well enough to hum...

    • Re:LotR Music (Score:5, Interesting)

      by mav[LAG] ( 31387 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @06:39AM (#6005942)
      Which just goes to show there's no accounting for taste :) I thought the soundtracks were masterpieces all round: grand sweeping themes for the grand sweeping bits, a light and bouncy tune for the hobbits, some stunning pieces that somehow actually managed somehow to sound elvish, and excellent dark and brooding bits for Moria. The Academy agreed [imdb.com].
      The memorability of both Star Wars and Raiders is a factor of time and how much both have penetrated Western culture. The themes from both have been played, parodied, and imitated a thousand times over the last two decades. Also, both are much less epics than rollicking adventure films which lend themselves more to a contemporary theme. Don't get me wrong - I love (and own) both the Raiders and Star Wars soundtracks - but I went straight out and bought both Ring soundtracks as soon as they were available.
      • The score from LOTR is truely one of the best I've heard in some time. As an example of its depth, try listening to the end of the Balrog scene from Fellowship. There is a rather climactic rise to the music and then, as Gandalf falls, the music first is a stunned silence and then slowly moves into mourning as the film follows the rest of the fellowship from the mines.

        Now listen to the first track of the Two Towers. There is the rise, and fall with Gandalf, but instead of becoming a mournful piece, since th
        • Cool - well spotted (I didn't notice this). The score uses the same elements it has before but in a different way which is I suppose one of the tools available to a composer to show same event from a different perspective.
          Actually I need to see TTT again - I must have missed the first half an hour because I was so stunned by the opening five minutes.
      • The memorability of both Star Wars and Raiders is a factor of time and how much both have penetrated Western culture. The themes from both have been played, parodied, and imitated a thousand times over the last two decades.

        That may be part of the reason why those themes are so memorable, but in twenty years I will still not be able to hum the opening to The Two Towers.

    • Agreed. The music is tame, and the central theme is one of the most boring ever heard in an "epic". My opinion of course.

      They should have gone for something like "Requiem for the Ring", which was used in the Two Towers trailer. For those of you who haven't heard it, it's a reorchestration of the "Requiem for a dream" theme, originally by Clint Mansell.

      • Re:LotR Music (Score:3, Interesting)

        by the gnat ( 153162 )
        They should have gone for something like "Requiem for the Ring", which was used in the Two Towers trailer.

        Oh god, that drove me up the wall. I'm sure it sounded great in the original context, but LotR is the type of epic that screams out for loud, heavy Wagnerian orchestral scores. The soundtrack to the trailer had a sort of throbbing feel to it, like it was just re-orchestrated pop music. Didn't fit in at all with the medieval fantasy world.

        Actually, re-use of standard music in trailers has become mo
        • Actually, re-use of standard music in trailers has become more and more annoying and obvious. . .

          My favorite was when they used something that sounded like a re-make of Led Zeppelin's "Bring it on Home" in the trailer for the Flipper movie, starring Elijah Wood, Paul "Crocodile Dundee" Hogan, and a smart-ass dolphin.
        • Small nitpick, Carmina Burana is more than just 'O Fortuna', which is the song that always ends up in movie trailers. 'O Fortuna' was also used within the movie 'Excalibur'. Other songs from Carmina Burana may have been used in other places, but none come to mind.
        • Just romembor that the trailer almost always comes out before the score (technical name for the soundtrack, which is technically the score + dialog + sound effects) is finished, so it's an impossibility to use music from the movi they are promoting as it's not finished yot.
    • I mean, if 99% of people can up and hum the theme to Star Wars or Raiders of the Lost Ark, then surely the film version one of the greatest works of 20th century literature should have a tune you can remember well enough to hum...

      What are you talking about? I can hum the main theme to LotR right now! It goes:
      Bah de bah, bah de bah, bah de bah, bah de da, da, da...

      Or wait, is that Volkswagon theme.... Damn.
    • I always go around humming humming Gollum's song at work. Maybe that's why they look at me strange.
    • Maybe they could put out a remastered DVD with the soundtrack composed of all Middle-Earth themed songs by Led Zeppelin [ledtolkien.com].

  • by elgaard ( 81259 ) <<kd.loga> <ta> <draagle>> on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @05:32AM (#6005733) Homepage
    http://www.alexanderband.dk/lotr/index.htm
  • I must advise you not to have anything to do with this adulteration. If you haven't read the book then you'll get much more out of that than out of the film. If you have read the book then after seeing the Two Towers you should know better.

    The Lord of the Rings is a great piece of work and the fact is that if the One Ring ever went to Gondor then Sauron would've noticed it, GAME OVER. Journey to Mount Doom was only possible because Faramir unlike his hot headed brother had the good sense to allow Frodo ont

    • Damn, where did I leave my +1, Funny?

      Its an adaptation. Its in a different medium. You change things. I've seen as many films suck by trying to stick to the book and do things that make no sense on screen (Dreamcatcher being the latest example to hit screens here) as ones that would have been better if they hadn't changed things.

      Do you try to get people to boycott Bladerunner because its nothing like Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep too? Was Orson Welles' War Of The Worlds weaker because he ditched the
    • by nigel.selke ( 665251 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @06:48AM (#6005974) Homepage

      I must advise you not to have anything to do with this adulteration. If you haven't read the book then you'll get much more out of that than out of the film. If you have read the book then after seeing the Two Towers you should know better.

      I've read the novel and watched both movies, and while I agree with you that the novel offers more than the movies from a general perspective, both offer great entertainment. Your attitude towards the movies seems unneccessarily hostile.

      The Lord of the Rings is a great piece of work and the fact is that if the One Ring ever went to Gondor then Sauron would've noticed it, GAME OVER

      Not neccessarily. If you recall the original story, the closer to Mordor the ring got, the more its power increased. Surely from that point of view, taking it to Mordor, which is basically what they did, would be worse? (And as we all know, that is the basis of the quest - they are going to take the ring to Mordor). My point is, just because the movie had a detour to Osgiliath, I fail to see what you're getting your knickers in a knot about. Yes, it does change the original story's details, but it isn't as terrible as you're making it out to be.

      The Lord of the Rings is a great piece of work and the fact is that if the One Ring ever went to Gondor then Sauron would've noticed it, GAME OVER. Journey to Mount Doom was only possible because Faramir unlike his hot headed brother had the good sense to allow Frodo onto Mordor unmolested. (I walked out of the last movie when this bit went wrong.) I have to say that other than this crucially important departure from plot the visualisation has generally been great; while I give Jackson some credit for a good rendition, the fact is that the book paints the original picture.

      You walked out? Because a detail of the story was changed in leui of the movie adaptation? Ok, I'm not going to comment on that. Let's examine the rest of what you said, anyway.

      If you read the original story closely, Faramir was NOT entirely pleasant while holding the Hobbits hostage. He was thinking about taking the ring to Gondor and interrogated the Hobbits pretty efficiently. Now, I agree that he was less hot-headed and far wiser than his brother, and during the section of the story where he and his men hold the hobbits hostage, he did have a change of heart and allow them to proceed with their quest unhindered. However, to say that they "weren't molested" is cutting it thin. They were blindfolded, tied up, and held against their will for a long time, interrogated, and not all that Faramir had to say to them was pleasant (in the beginning, it's hard to miss the threatening undertones of what he was saying, unless you are very unperceptive). Yes - the movie changed the details of this part of the story. Did it remain true to the spirit of the story, though? I believe so. Re-read this part of the story if you don't believe me. Crucially important departure from the story? Not really. The outcome is going to be exactly the same. I didn't like some parts of this departure either, but you're really making a mountain out of a molehill.

      I'm not a purist, I accepted that the films weren't going to be a mirror image, couldn't understand the need to screw up the end of the Fellowship, even managed to swallow Glorfindel being replaced by an Arwen who could cast spells, but this distortion of the fabric is unacceptable

      Sorry to tell you this, but Elves are "magical" in nature, and therefore can cast spells, and create magical items, to greater or lesser degree depending on the individuals themselves. Arwen is the daughter of Elrond, who has not only great Elf, but also Ainur heritage. To believe that she would be an Elf with little power is, well, shockingly ignorant on your part, to be brutally honest. If you don't understand this, read the Silmarillion, which deals with the nature of

      • you, sir, need to get out more. :D
    • Ummm... Somebody tell this poor dude that we are talking about a movie..

      Also while you are at it, tell him that Saddam is not tying up with Sauron to kill the infidels and anyone who plagiarize the book including Peter Jackson
      • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @08:21AM (#6006255)
        Also while you are at it, tell him that Saddam is not tying up with Sauron to kill the infidels

        Hm. Saddam. Sauron. Saddam. Sauron.

        "The Evil One's power is again rising", Secretary of State Colin Powell told a stunned press conference Monday. "Saddam was defeated, but he is not dead." As the Secretary mentioned the name "Saddam", an ice cold wind seemed to enter the room, and an unexpected, brief solar eclipse occurred.

        "Could someone close the windows please? Anyway, to finally defeat him, the Fellowship must go to Mount Doom just outside of Tikrit and throw the One Ring into the hellish fire that burns eternal there, vanquishing Saddam forever."

        "The Fellowship being the Ringbearer-President George Bush, his trusty aide Dick Cheney, the mighty warrior Donald Rumsfeld who will give his life to defend the Ringbearer, and myself, who shall never be King. Probably never."

        "And, oh, Paul Wolfowitz listened in at our briefing so he gets to tag along to."

        "It will be a long, hard, perillous journey, on foot, but it is the only way."

        A strange, crouching shadow bearing an uncanny resemblance to Attorney General John Ashcroft was seen crawling in the shadows behind the Secretary, muttering "My Precious"...
    • by Fruan ( 105302 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @07:31AM (#6006093) Homepage
      One of the more important rules for storytelling in a visual medium such as film is that it is (almost) always better and more effective to show than it is to tell.

      As LotR has quite a fair bit of characters sitting around telling each other things, this is a bit of a problem.

      So, lets examine possible reasons for having the ring be taken part way to Gondor in the film, shall we?

      One of the most important plot points in RotK, if not the most important, is Aragorn's leading what remains of the hosts of Gondor against the black gate, in an attempt to fool Sauron into thinking he is in possession of the ring, thus taking his attention away from the ring's real possition. There is all sorts of supporting evidence for Sauron to leap to this conclusion, but its a pretty complex and subtle point to get across. In a movie even more so.

      By having the ring seen by an agent of Sauron, escorted by the troops of Gondor, selling to the audience that Sauron is convinced beyond all doubt that Aragorn has the ring is going to be far easier - One shortish speach from Gandalf about how He could never concieve of anyone willingly giving up the power of the ring, and Bam. Instant set up.

      Compared to the (admitably more subtle and interesting) evidence presented in the book - Pippin and Aragorn's palantir experience, the film's evidence is far more easily grasped.

      The films aren't messing with the mythology in any dire mannor - quite the opposite. They have gone to the trouble of setting up major plot elements, in the nature demanded of the different medium, well in advance, when they were needed.
      • Good try on attempting to justify Jackson's terrible rewrite of JRRT. One of the writers of the screenplay (the one Jackson is not married to), said they "spiced" Faramir up because he was too boring a character. The problem with your theory is that the ring was seen still on a HOBBIT! If the plan is to let Sauron think Aragorn has the ring in Gondor then WHY DOES A HOBBIT STILL HOLD THE RING??? Why wouldn't Aragorn already have taken the ring? Also when hobbits are spotted in Minas Morgul (or are you s
    • First of all, I am confused as why this was modded as funny (as hilarious as it may seem) and not as a troll...but anywho.

      In regards to your comment about how the ring could never go to Gondor. As far as I understand, Ithilien is considered a part of northern Gondor (its definatelly not part of Mordor, but if in doubt, check the maps), and the trip through Ithilien in the novel would have lead to GAME OVER if what you said were true.

      I am a purist. I've read the lord of the rings as many times as I possibl
    • by MyHair ( 589485 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @11:19AM (#6007496) Journal
      (I walked out of the last movie when this bit went wrong.) [re: Frodo & ring in Gondor]

      Dude, you shouldn't have left. That part of the movie was later revealed to be a dream.
    • The Lord of the Rings is a great piece of work and the fact is that if the One Ring ever went to Gondor then Sauron would've noticed it, GAME OVER.

      According to the books, Sauron thinks the ring IS in Gondor. For starters, he knows the hobbits have it. He knows that the hobbits have been traveling with Gandalf and Aragorn. And he knows Aragorn is Isildur's heir. Sauron fully expects the ring to go to Gondor, and for Aragorn to claim it.

      So, while your correct that the the ring's deture to Gondor was

    • Agreed. FoTR did a decent job. The diffs between book and movie were acceptable and I really enjoyed the scene w/ the Balrog.

      TTT sucked. Its as if Jackson and the actors had become bored with the project as a serious subject and decided to put a video game on the screen instead. I'll probably go and see the RoTK, but I'll do so with a sense of dread rather than anticipation.
  • Of course, this is just a poorly captured teaser taken from the game booth, but still. There is nothing new in it. Everything that this teaser shows, was already in either TTT or FotR. Except for some weird fireballs.Gimli fighting? Tired of it. Legolas shooting arrows? Oh, spare me. Gandalf kicking ass with his stick? Seen in the end of TTT. Theoden unsure about something? The whole TTT was about that. Some plains shot from helicopter? Enough of that. So, while poorly captured TTT teaser was cool and full
  • Trailer Link (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Another resource: http://www.planet-tolkien.com [planet-tolkien.com]


    (Incase site goes down)

  • by briggsb ( 217215 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @08:19AM (#6006243)
    I didn't see any glimpse of the new character in there so it must not be the trailer [bbspot.com] I've seen.
  • totally forgotten about the lord of the rings movies, they should have released them closer together. hopefully they have a "previously in the lord of the rings..." at the beginning of return of the king.
    • Um, no. Hey, somebody needs to send this #636773 guy to the back of the line or something. Geeks should have standards, too. One more outburst like that and you'll be looking at a 7-digit ID like all the new kiddie loosers.
    • totally forgotten about the lord of the rings movies, they should have released them closer together. hopefully they have a "previously in the lord of the rings..." at the beginning of return of the king.

      So, they should have waited until now before releasing Fellowship, and followed it with Two Towers in a few months? Return of the King won't be ready until the end of the year, because it's taken that long to do post-production on all three movies.

      (And MrDog, 6-digit UIDs aren't as cool as you think the
  • That last shot, especially - the one with the white-robed character (Gandalf?) on the wall - looked and acted like a video game.
  • by aroben ( 600106 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @10:38AM (#6007186) Homepage
    I've started a BitTorrent session for this file. You can get it at http://aroben.dyndns.org/rotk-e3-stream.mov.torren t [dyndns.org] -Adam
  • by guacamolefoo ( 577448 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @11:12AM (#6007447) Homepage Journal
    A semi-quality video of 1 minute 43 seconds of the EA ROTK game has appeared online thanks to the folks at 576.hu. As all of the links we checked out had serious download issues, we've mirrored it for easy downloading! !!!BIG SPOILERS!!!

    Wow! I'd better not watch the clip if there are !!!BIG SPOILERS!!! (Where's that tag when you need it?)

    Maybe I won't find out about Shelob and the ring getting into the Crack of Doom (heh...I just wrote "crack") as a result of Gollum biting off Frodo's finger and the part about Frodo not willingly throwing the ring into the hot MAG-MA! (Dr. Evil impression there).

    OTOH, the spoilers could involve the numerous plots inserted into the movies that did not exist in the book, such as the horse-kissing part, Aragorn going over the cliff, Arwen, the elves at the Hornburg, etc., etc.

    The Comic Book Guy needs to have a talk with Peter Jackson.

    GF.
    • The Comic Book Guy needs to have a talk with Peter Jackson.
      Best... LOTR suggestion... ever...

      Tom Bombadil who? What?

    • OTOH, the spoilers could involve the numerous plots inserted into the movies that did not exist in the book, such as the horse-kissing part, Aragorn going over the cliff, Arwen, the elves at the Hornburg, etc., etc.

      While a lot of the embellishments were purely to adapt the book to movie form, a lot more (including a lot of the Arwen storyline, if you grant Jackson a little artistic license) are actually taken from the Appendices.

      I was surprised to see how much tied together from those "broken" parts havi
  • by Praxxus ( 19048 ) on Wednesday May 21, 2003 @12:16PM (#6007947) Homepage
    What's Magneto doing on a horse? . . . in a dress, no less!

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  • Every opinion that is not positive, down to the comments about the footage gets a negative score, or a troll or a flame bait. LAME

    Go back to the SCA you pathetic semi techies.

    SCA = an excuse for fat people to get laid.

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