

Open Source Music 107
X-Ross writes "As big labels battle it out in a Post-Napster world, open source comes to music ... Creative Commons has a feature on an open source style music site for artists launched by Sal Randolph. Here is the link to her site Opsound."
Sounds like . . . (Score:3, Interesting)
Sounds like . . . (Score:5, Informative)
Although I do see a problem with this just as with some GPL software... how do you prove that your original source was ripped off by someone else, who is now making millions?
Re:Sounds like . . . (Score:1)
It's also very Taoistic of nature. Very Lao Tse's Tao Te Ching, which btw was written well over 2,500 years ago!
Rulof
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Take a look (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Take a look (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Take a look (Score:2)
The second one I did, I've already sold two copies of t
Here's correct definition of "open source" music. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Here's correct definition of "open source" musi (Score:1)
Re:Huh? (Score:4, Funny)
Re: Huh? (Score:1)
> If it's anything like the OSS projects on sourceforge, open source music is just a click track and maybe a bass line. The rest of the tracks are "in development" or "coming soon" as soon as the project finds more volunteers.
Or just an idea for a song, and a list of all the technology it's going to use.
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
Man, I wish I had mod points for this. Of ocurse, I have one of those projects on sourceforge that doesn't do anything... hmm..........
Join us all and share the horror (Score:3, Interesting)
It kind of sounds like this [gnu.org], but there's less emphasis on the listener's freedom and more acceptance of commercial involvement.
Opensource music (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Opensource music (Score:1, Funny)
Which should have been released under the forbidden licence.
MP3 file format? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:MP3 file format? (Score:3, Interesting)
Oh really? What about the Internet Archive [archive.org]'s Live Music Archive [archive.org]. Not to mention all of the volunteer ftp sites found from etree [etree.org] or even a site like this [gdlive.com].
Re:MP3 file format? (Score:1, Interesting)
What's new about this? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'd rather use Gnutella and filter the searches on AIFF files.
Re:What's new about this? (Score:1)
If you want to get samples that you can actually use without any fear of being sued, you have a much harder time. I have yet to find a single free sample archive on the web that takes copyright seriously.
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"Pure" music distribution is on the horizon (Score:5, Insightful)
http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_displ
The market is busy at work for optimal music distribution, and that market has already written the epitaph of the music majors.
Innovative models like the above - including Opsound - are popping up all over the place. Soon there will be many ways to get the music content you want without having to deal with the majors.
For artists however, the current system is random, in addition to being not-at-all profitable except for the very highest echelon artists - those that already have a recording success under their belt. Also, it's not often that that even successful artists can create one song after another that consistently please their fans. There is a lot of waste and inefficiency in the system.
One long term answer to the above dilemma will be based on technologies that are currently in their infancy. Consumers will someday be able to know what elemental parts of a song - things like specific keys, harmonies, melodic structures, etc. appeal to them - really, appeal to those parts of their brain that cognate music in ways that please them.
Once these technologies mature, music distribution will be geared more toward pleasing a specific cognitive taste. Services will be created to decipher and forward appropriate music to consumers for review, based on an analysis of their inherent cognitive tastes. Many of these models will be predictive, and be able to intelligently suggest what new music, from artists never before experienced, would be pleasing to a specific customer's ear.
New technologies like the ones hinted at above will open up the international market for music. This will create a music distribution renaissance that dwarfs the current 'world' music and 'majors' scene.
Corroborating some of the above - and looking forward to the near-long-term - music distribution is going to be singles-only, and probably based on a peer-to-peer system that results in a floating price for content. Content that is good, and in demand, will cost more than content that few people (relatively speaking) care about.
All music distributed this way will have to be interoperable amongst many digital devices. If you buy the song file, it will be yours to do with as you please. Nothing else - long term - will work. There is no DRM system that can't/won't be broken.
The only leverage that large music producers have at this time is legacy content. Consumers want access to that. Also, many major acts, hyped by the music distribution machine, are under contract and producing under the current system. Thus, current content is still in demand, but decreasing, as evidenced by the majors failure to produce as much of it as they did in the past [In their dying throes, the majors, via the RIAA, are attempting to blame their decrease in music CD production on illegal file-sharing - a proven red herring]
The catch - for the majors - is that mostly everything from the legacy vaults is already recorded somewhere as Mp3's, or on CD/DVD w/o DRM. The same is happening to currently produced, and distributed, content. Unless the majors find a very smooth, seamless way to inexpensively distribute their content, their game is over - because everyone will soon have what they need from pirated sources. This will really be a shame if it happens; but the intransigent majors, lacking imagination, will only have themselves to blame.
Re:"Pure" music distribution is on the horizon (Score:2)
Re:"Pure" music distribution is on the horizon (Score:2)
Really, that is cool, and I don't see how he's making money on such a deal. For those that are too lazy to read and distill the link, $1.2k gets you:
a limited-edition (100 copies made) album
Other (semi-)unique albums, about 3 per year.
a "a private 'living room concert' f
How to get open-source music (Score:5, Funny)
- tar -zxf openboyzband-0.2.3.tar.gz
- cd
- make config
- make single
- make install_single
- xmms 2b2.mp3
*** core dump ***
Re:How to get open-source music (Score:1, Insightful)
its 2b3.mp3 dumbass.
Great (Score:1)
Hopefully we'll also be lucky in that music will thrive or die like software; the craptastic open project like Open Boy Bands will die out.
Re:Great (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Great (Score:2)
Open source artists need publicity! (Score:4, Interesting)
I just noticed yesterday that to use music as background for a video or presentation, you need to "rent it" and that those fees are pretty steep. It is only the logical conclusion of royalty-based music distribution, but the end result is that artists are unable to use the cultural building blocks to make new things.
People get in a panic about written copyright, but did you you ever stop and realize that no recorded music has yet fallen into the public domain? It would be one thing to say: you may listen/download/use only music that is in the public domain, but quite frankly, but up until very recently, there really hasn't existed any such kind of music. Some protections have been established for fair use and sampling, but individuals find it rather scary to risk the threat of litigation.
The problem with mp3 "stealing" is not that you are stealing money from the record companies, but that you are ignoring those artists who have established liberal distribution rights. If individuals were required to pay "full price" for a download/mp3 (however ridiculous that might be), it would give groups like opsound a chance to be heard. If licensed music is as free as creative commons music, then the consumer sees nothing wrong with the current state of lawlessness. If however, licensed music were controlled by some sort of drm, the natural instinct of many people would be to ignore them and look for more alternative sounds. And I would argue that artists, viewing the tradeoffs, might be more inclined to choose putting music in the public domain (if it resulted in more publicity). The status quo gives no real advantages for charitable artists.
I should mention that a wonderful book Digital Aboriginals [digitalaboriginal.com] talks about this issue, asking whether anyone can "own the wind."
Re:Open source artists need publicity! (Score:1)
If you need music for a video or presentation and don't want to spend a lot of money or work on it, you might find Microsoft Music Producer [musicmachines.net], perhaps the only Microsoft program I recommend without reservation, to be useful. You basically select a st
Re:Open source artists need publicity! (Score:2)
That site is where I got a nice recording of Bessie Smith doing "Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out" (1929). I imagine it would come up on search (don't have the info on this machine).
This isn't new (Score:4, Informative)
I believe I prefer the model presented at http://penguinsong.net/net/intro [penguinsong.net]
Here is my favorite opensource band (Score:5, Funny)
Open Source music?? (Score:5, Funny)
Aside from that, there is more than enough open-source music available for everyone's use, for free: Circle of fifths, A-minor scale, 1-4-5 blues chord progressions, things like that.
(I'll admit that some of Frank Zappa's stuff is pretty heavily encrypted, but his family's been nice about not waving the DMCA at us.)
Wrong solution to the wrong problem (Score:3, Insightful)
The problem with Napster is that some musicians want to be rich. They want the big break. They want to be famous. So they sell their soul to the "Big Labels." The Devil is the Devil.
Re:Wrong solution to the wrong problem (Score:5, Insightful)
Payment for their songs is the only way they have to pay off those loans.
Re:Wrong solution to the wrong problem (Score:2)
You seem to have forgotten live performances. Granted, people will only pay to hear you live if you're a decent musician, but if you're not, you shouldn't be trying to make a living off music to begin with. And therein lies the problem: many 'independent' artists truly suck and do nothing original. So they get stuck playing at bars where nobody really listens, dreaming of getting their "big break". And the handful of decent musi
Re:Wrong solution to the wrong problem (Score:2, Insightful)
No, I haven't. I'm in the concert production business. I know where the money goes, and how much. The vast majority of musical artists, in their zeal to 'put on the show of a lifetime', spend nearly all that they bring in at the gate on the production aspects (lighting, sound, video, pyro, labor, transportation) of the show. (Yes, I know the money winds it's way through promoters, agents, etc, but in short that's what happens.)
If they are very lucky, enough
Maybe I'm Strange (Score:1)
I go to a lot of concerts in small venues and from what I pick up from talking to the musicians the break even point seems to be about fifty or sixty in the audience for each band member. Most of these shows make do with the house lights and the show is watching great musicians at work. Now granted these concerts tend in genres that don't attract huge audiences, but the musicians are usually excellent and frequently include some of the best in the world.
Most of these guys manage to make a decent living
Re:Maybe I'm Strange (Score:3, Insightful)
That's right on what I was trying to get at. Getting back to music for the sake of music itself! Forget the mega lightshow, pyro, ear-destroying SPL's, gargantuan mixing / digital re-processing booth, and smelly chewing-gum infested amphitheaters
All music is open source (Score:3, Interesting)
*However*, if she *really* wanted to be open source in action as well as name, she'd have sheet music available for all of the works in the library. Unfortunately, I don't know how one would go about notating "dunkin donuts screaming match", "interferences between layers of random waveforms generate these blips and cracks", and whatever else the raver dopeheads are recording nowadays.
Re:All music is open source (Score:2, Funny)
Re:All music is open source (Score:2)
Let's not forget... (Score:3, Insightful)
A Musician's Standpoint (Score:5, Interesting)
Why would I want to throw my material out there for free when I can make a little scratch selling it to the locals? Sure, I offer a lot of it up for free, thanks to the powers that I have as an independant, but the fact that I often give it out for free doesn't mean I should offer my stuff up like this.
It's just impractical.
Clarification (Score:1)
Re:Clarification (Score:2, Insightful)
I understand that not everyone is going to want to release complete works into this pool of ideas. But if you found some of their content worthwhile, you may want to give back by contributing some of the sounds you collected as part of your work, or maybe an acoustic version of the so
Re:Clarification (Score:2)
Re:A Musician's Standpoint (Score:1)
Some have been doing it for over 10 years.
Karma Whoring Background Info (Score:2)
Sal Randolph is the woman behind Free Words [freewords.org], which you may have heard of, or seen the bright pink stickers for. In fact, most (if not all) of her work has been free-as-in-whatever-you-want, in a very concrete way, not just conceptually. As such, I think it may be more interesting to some of the geeks around here, even if you (like me), find the Opsound thing rather uninspiring.
Does this... (Score:1)
Musicians are not ready. (Score:4, Insightful)
Most of the action in the world of free music is people making old, public-domain sheet music available on the web, sort of like Project Gutenberg does for books. Here [dmoz.org] is a relevant Open Directory category. (Just so you don't think I'm a total whiner, here [lightandmatter.com] is some PD music I've transcribed myself.)
Copyright ownership guarantees? (Score:4, Interesting)
If this is like any other online label, its TOS will require artists to guarantee that any musical works that they wrote and recorded are original. How can an artist guarantee that he did not accidentally copy a popular song? What specific steps can an artist take to avoid George Harrison's fate [columbia.edu]?
Re:Copyright ownership guarantees? (Score:1)
Well, if you're really wealthy, you might try cryogenic freezing. Best not to wait until you die, since it would probably be much easier to repair and resuscitate a young, healthy body. And anyways, who wants to face our Glorious Utopian Future as a ninety year old man?
Or just try not to get into a train wreck for about twenty years, and maybe something will come of all this genetic research.
George Harrison will be greatly
The lawsuit, not the death (Score:1)
Well, if you're really wealthy, you might try cryogenic freezing.
<sarcasm style="voice-family: Daffy Duck">Ha-ha, very funny. Ha-ha, it is to laugh.</sarcasm>
I did not link to an article about the death of George Harrison. Instead, I linked to an article describing a successful lawsuit against Harrisongs Music on grounds that George Harrison unconsciously copied a copyrighted musical work when writing "My Sweet Lord". How can songwriters learn from this mistake, and what steps can they ta
Open Source Music (Score:2, Offtopic)
Really tho, if OpenBSD can have there own song, so should Linux!
copyleft (Score:4, Informative)
Werner Icking was an inspiration to many musicians, especially in Europe.
PD music needs more advocates like Iking. A project like Gutenberg only for music is what he tried to get started. His early death is all the more sad because there has been very little done to expand his idea since his death.
check out www.justablip.co.uk (Score:3, Interesting)
this is a perfect time to mention justablip recordings [justablip.co.uk], a new music label based in London. blip has been started by Thrash (Kris Weston), formerly of the Orb. it has been formed over his problems with the music industry & frustrations w/ large corporations that fund death [justablip.co.uk] & strangle your rights [justablip.co.uk]. Justablip music (electronic/experimental/washingmachinesexmusic) will be released under a free license [justablip.co.uk] (as yet undetermined).
anyways, check out some of the articles [justablip.co.uk] that Thrash has written & see where he's coming from. there are no releases available for download, but they should be shortly, I think the first release may be a poke at Madonna that most people on here will enjoy. sign up at the website too.
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justablip director
Already doing it (Score:3, Interesting)
BTW, the site hasn't been updated in a while because I've been working on a new album. The whole site's gonna have a huge rebirth once I finish it.
terrible idea (Score:1)
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Re:terrible idea (Score:1)
You can always make money selling t-shirts!
Any good open source precussion samples? (Score:2)
What I'm looking for are various samples of well miked intividual drum hits and cymbal strikes. I've resorted to sampling these from various CDs I own, but it's very rare that you get a well-recorded strike that's allowed to fully ring out.
There are many studios with good aco
Re:Any good open source precussion samples? (Score:1)
great single-hit drum recordings, free [nskit.com]
the akai ftp, intended to give purchasers of their samplers something to start with.... a billion excellent samples [210.227.67.8]
that's just my two favourites. there are many more.
by the way, opmusic mentions that they allow any kind of audio files on their site (but you have to host them). so it could be used to distribute that sort of thing (and i think that would be an i
Bookmarklet RIAA Detector (Score:4, Informative)
If you use Moz you can add a bookmarklet that will tell you if an album is distributed by an RIAA memeber.
This is from their website:
What is RIAA Radar?
The RIAA Radar is a tool that music consumers can use to easily and instantly distinguish whether an album was released by a member of the Recording Industry Association of America.
Neat.
Don't Forget.. (Score:2, Informative)
ability to change the music (Score:1)
If it's really open sourced music, then maybe we can turn experimental music to pretty much commercial like music which a lot of people agree upon
The Means of Production and Distribution... (Score:1)
I can understand the apprehension of professional musicians at this stuff. One answer is that the revenue stream may have to shift towards performance rather than recording sales.
For the hobbyists, closet musicians, and mad scientists relentlessly twisting knobs on hopelessly complicated Reaktor synths, this is great. I've been trying to get something like this going among my friends for a while now.
When I think of the origins of music, I think of a bunch of p
Music is open source already (Score:1)
magnatune, anyone? (Score:2)
I hope to see more of these popping up on the web soon.
Open source music? (Score:1)
Sheet music (Score:1)
I've never seen music source code before
Have you ever walked into a store that sells musical instruments? Most such stores stock sheet music, which can be considered a form of musical source code.
Have you ever looked at a MIDI file? MIDI files are tokenized representations of musical source code.
interestingly enough... (Score:1)
Opensource music is not the way to go. (Score:1)
When I look at free music I see the cost of hosting as the main obstacle. Unfortunately up to now their isn't opensource software to help this. Stuff like BitTorrent doesn't give the ori
How I did my own Open Source music (Score:2)
Ok, this is both karma-whoring and shameless plugging. All in just one comment! :-)
I did some kind of "music CD" by myself too, which I called Random Stuff [xouba.net]. It's me playing guitar (no, it's not shred) and using samples for the backings. And it's free (as in beer and as in speech) for everyone to download (mp3 format now, but ogg are in the works) and use. So you could say, to some extent, that it's "open source music". It has some limitations, anyway:
Nice idea (Score:1)