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Matrix Gets Egyptian Ban For Explicit Religion 1362

pajor writes "BBC News is reporting that that The Matrix Reloaded has been banned in Egypt. The country's censorship board cited violence which might 'harm social peace', but also said the 'religious themes' of the film's storyline, about the search for the creator and control of the human race, may cause 'crises'. A statement said: 'Despite the high technology and fabulous effects of the movie, it explicitly handles the issue of existence and creation, which are related to the three divine religions, which we all respect and believe in.'"
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Matrix Gets Egyptian Ban For Explicit Religion

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  • Weird (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 12, 2003 @04:14AM (#6179590)
    Matrix is banned cause it potrays stuff contrary to the 3 blessed religions by God (as the egptions put it) These three (Judaism, Christinity and Islam). Now further down there is a big flamebait about how the ban is really cause it potrays stuff about Judaism. Now isn't that very contradicting?

    I for one thought the whole Zion/Rasta image was some rastafarian thing :) Come on.. Zion is from Neuromancer.. everyone knows it.. and why is everyone almost black?
  • Re:Unfortunatly (Score:2, Informative)

    by citog ( 206365 ) on Thursday June 12, 2003 @04:29AM (#6179674)
    The mobile phone with camera issue is touchy in a lot of places, including Saudi Arabia - the concept of privacy is involved. It's accented in Saudi because the people are particularly sensitive about having their photo taken without their permission. It is considered a strong violation of privacy. No different from places, in the West for example, that have banned mobile phones in locations such as gyms. On the grounds they may have these cameras that are not immediately obvious.
  • by KillerLoop ( 202131 ) on Thursday June 12, 2003 @05:25AM (#6179897) Homepage
    scenes from the prior versions of the matrix. for each reaction Neo shows in the current incarnation of the matrix, his reactions in older versions are shown too. well, my guess at least.
  • Re:No... (Score:5, Informative)

    by KingRamsis ( 595828 ) <> on Thursday June 12, 2003 @05:26AM (#6179901)
    then the perceived Divine Right to Leadership enjoyed by the government is destroyed. No government wants that.

    That is one nice speculation coming out of your ass, I'm Egyptian and living there actually and I tell you that the government is totally secular and the fact that the average Egyptian believes in God or not has nothing to do with the government right to rule, however there are laws against insulting other religions. Tsk ..tsk ..tsk typical American stereotyping.
  • by harmonica ( 29841 ) on Thursday June 12, 2003 @07:35AM (#6180341)
    Well, it's good to know they have some standards.

    Schindler's List was banned in Saudia Arabia because it was too pro-Jewish, Babe was banned in Malaysia because a pig was the main character. All very sad.
  • by Webere ( 161002 ) on Thursday June 12, 2003 @08:28AM (#6180582)
    Perhaps a transcript will help:

    [I transcribed this personally, there were a few places where the audio was garbled, and I couldn't make out what was being said, those are marked with "[unclear]", and a guess at what it sounded like.]

    Architect: "Hello Neo."

    Neo: "Who are you?"

    Architect: "I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I have been waiting for you. You have many questions and though the process has altered your [unclear] irrevocably human, ergo some of my answers you will understand and some of them you will not. Concurrently, while your first question [unclear] the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelavent."

    Neo: "Why am I here?"

    Architect: "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly which, despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control, which has led [unclear] here."

    Neo: "You haven't answered my question."

    Architect: "Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others."

    [Neos in the video screen begin asking "others?", "how many others?", "what others?", etc]

    Architect: "The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of [unclear] anomaly to the emergence of the next in which case this is the sixth version."

    [Video screen Neos: "You're lying.", giving the camera the finger, laughing, "There are only two possible explainations: either no one told me..."]

    Neo: "... or no one knows."

    Architect: "Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly is systemic, creating fluctuations in even the [unclear, simplistic?] equations."

    [Video screen Neos: "You can't control me!", "I'm going to smash you to bits", more giving the camera the finger, etc.]

    Neo: "Choice. The problem is [unclear, choice?]"

    [cuts to Trinity fighting. yawn.]

    Architect: "The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect it was a work of art. Flawless. Sublime. A triumpth equalled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. [unclear] based on your history, to more accurately reflect the varying [unclear] of your nature. However I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me becuase it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human [unclear]. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother."

    Neo: "The Oracle."

    Architect: "Please. As I was saying she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99 percent of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a [mere/near] unconscious level. While [unclear] it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that [unclear] program, while a minority, if unchecked would constitute an escalading probabiltiy of disaster."

    Neo: "This is about Zion."

    Architect: "[unclear] are here because Zion is about to be destroyed, its every living inhabitant [unclear, terminated?] entire existance eradicated."

    Neo: "Bullshit."

    [Video screen Neos: "Bullshit"]

    Architect: "Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient [unclear, 'at it'?]."

    [cuts back to more of Trinity fighting. Nobody cares.]

    Architect: "The function of The One is
  • by StrawberryFrog ( 67065 ) on Thursday June 12, 2003 @08:39AM (#6180650) Homepage Journal

    how do you plurialize a proper name with a previously existing plural form of a general noun?

    Proper names take a regular plural. Thus when talking of mathematics, it is one matrix, many matrices. When talking of movie-reality-constructs, one Matrix, many Matrixes. That's the English language for you.
  • by jamie ( 78724 ) * <> on Thursday June 12, 2003 @09:30AM (#6181036) Journal
    Worries about "harming social peace" also didn't seem to bother them when the hit Egyptian song "I Hate Israel" hit the charts a couple of years ago. In fact the Egyptian state censors got involved then, too, but for a different reason...

    I hate Israel, and I hate destruction, it (Israel) loves destruction
    I love Yassir Arafat and he is very dear to me
    Egyptians are sad
    I hate Israel and I love Amr Mousa
    I hate Israel and Shimon (Peres) and Sharon
    Why should the children suffer why should they die everyday
    People carrying weapons and others carrying slingshot
    I hate Israel, and we all do
    We are all mad, Al Quds matters to us
    I hate Isreal and Ehud Barak because no one can stand him
    Egypt puts up and stands till the end but when it got mad it pulled back the ambassador
    I hate Israel because of south Lebanon, Al Quds, Iraq, Syria and the Golan?
    I hate Israel and I say it even if I will be arrested

    In a further twist, the head of Egypt's arts censorship bureau said the song originally ran "I don't like Israel", but Shaaban spiced it up at the request of the censor. "Originally it was 'I don't like Israel', but I made a recommendation that they choose another word equal to the state of people's feelings," said Madkour Thabet, whose office has the power to ban tapes deemed politically or morally offensive.,11827 ,46609,00.html []

  • Re:Fuck you Egypt (Score:3, Informative)

    by KingRamsis ( 595828 ) <> on Thursday June 12, 2003 @09:36AM (#6181089)
    Well being Egyptian I'm certainly more qualified to judge that more than you, I live in Egypt and we are all Coptic here some of us are Muslims and some are Christian, being Coptic is about ethnicity not religion.
    When Islam spread to Egypt some people willingly converted and others remained Christian which tells a lot about the tolerance of Islam, if Muslims simply killed all those who disagree with them there will be no Christians in Egypt today.
    I will throw in another piece of information there are some big families that have a common ancestor and both Christian and Muslim branches of the same family.
  • by elefantstn ( 195873 ) on Thursday June 12, 2003 @09:56AM (#6181253)
    It's pretty disingenuous not to note that the quote is from George HW Bush, not George W Bush, especially when you refer to the latter afterwards without differentiating between the two.
  • by KevetS ( 600647 ) <> on Thursday June 12, 2003 @10:04AM (#6181317) Homepage Journal
    Anyone else notice how in the 1st movie, in the scene where Smith & Neo meet for the first time and Neo is being interrogated by the Agents, the shot is zooming in on what appears to be a screen with a white border around it almost as if it was from the perspective of someone (*cough* Architect?) watching this happen on screen. Go back and watch the scene to see it for yourself.
  • Re:Zion... (Score:3, Informative)

    by utahjazz ( 177190 ) on Thursday June 12, 2003 @10:11AM (#6181381)
    "Zion" - the name of the mythical Jewish homeland.

    And non-mythical Mormon homeland. Many businesses and places in Utah are named Zion, as the Moromons think of Utah as "our Zion".

    But typically if you say "Zion" in Utah, you are referring to Zion National Park.

    Visitors to Salt Lake often notice the big statue of Brigham Young downtown faces away from the Temple, with his hand outstretched to the Zion Bank building.
  • Actual statistics (Score:1, Informative)

    by Captain Igloo ( 600475 ) on Thursday June 12, 2003 @10:38AM (#6181627)
    FGM prevalence in Egypt was at 97% in 1995.
    Look here: fmg-09.html pt_women.htm m
    Actual figures vary between 80 and 97%, depending on severity threshold and region.
    There are dozens of reports and papers on and
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 12, 2003 @10:53AM (#6181768)
    If the probability of God's existence is essentially zero, then what's the probability of the existence of dark matter? After all, we haven't seen any of that either.

    Dark Matter can be directly measured.
  • by operagost ( 62405 ) on Thursday June 12, 2003 @12:00PM (#6182508) Homepage Journal
    You left out the part where, the very day Israel declared its independence, it was attacked by Syria, Iraq, Egypt, and Lebanon, [] without provocation.
  • by MsGeek ( 162936 ) on Thursday June 12, 2003 @12:36PM (#6182923) Homepage Journal
    Neon Genesis Evangelion was an animated TV series broadcast on TV Tokyo between October 1995 and March 1996. It was made by Gainax, the legendary "by fans, for fans" Japanese animation studio which also produced such efforts as "The Wings Of Honneamise" and "Nadia".

    If you are not afraid of spoilers, here [] is a very good summation of the whole original series.

    There was a great deal of fan consternation about the "anticlimax" nature of the series, so when Gainax got enough of a budget together, they did not one, but (again, beware spoilers) two [] movies [] to further explore the concepts originally put across in the series. (I don't know why I wound up with three Australian sites for this info...I'm not Australian.)

    In any event, "Death and Rebirth" and "End of Evangelion" were a wrapup of the narrative in the series. However, no matter how neatly Evangelion creator Anno Hideaki had wrapped things up, the true meaning of the Evangelion universe continues to be a huge topic of debate. Sort of like how the true meaning of The Matrix movies are becoming a huge topic of debate...there, I brought this back on-topic.

    Anyway, it has been announced that a live-action Evangelion movie (the series and the two movies were all animated) has gone into pre-production. Gainax, ADV Films and Peter Jackson's Weta Digital effects studio are all part of this effort. For a movie which will, by necessity, have to have quite an epic sweep, the resources of these three partners which have been revealed so far seem far too limited to execute the plans. Perhaps one of the Seven Families of the Movie Industry is a part of this plan. Perhaps more than one. But the big financing has yet to be revealed. So take this all with a grain of salt.

    It was this possible live-action movie to which I was referring to. If they are true to the original series and the two animated movies, they will piss off a lot of religious people in all "three great monotheisms." Just like Matrix Reloaded seems to have done in Egypt.

  • by outsider007 ( 115534 ) on Thursday June 12, 2003 @01:18PM (#6183383)
    Personally I think Trinity is an agent and the outside world is another Matrix, but we'll just have to wait and see

    Trinity can't be an agent because agents can't leave the matrix. the password she used (zion0101) suggests she knows more than the others though.
  • by Kpt Kill ( 649374 ) on Thursday June 12, 2003 @01:25PM (#6183454) Homepage
    I recomend you visit this message board... Matrix Reloaded (spoilers) []
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 12, 2003 @01:38PM (#6183573)
    Don't forget in Matrix one, when Neo gets captured and arrested, our first view of him is through a trio of screens that are now recognizable as The Architech's monitors. And to enter the scene, we pass into the monitor.

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