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BBC to Put Entire Radio & TV Archive Online 567

An anonymous reader writes "The BBC is to to put it's entire radio and television archive online, free for everyone, as the BBC Creative Archive." The article is a little thin on how far back these archives go, but regardless, this is a gigantic amount of data, and to see it go online, and open to the public is very cool.
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BBC to Put Entire Radio & TV Archive Online

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  • by Neophytus ( 642863 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:39PM (#6777878)
    All of the programmes currently avaliable are in streaming realmedia, catered to the 56k audiance. I could see this initiative falling flat on it's face unless a burnable, portable and high quality format is used.
    • by garcia ( 6573 ) * on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:41PM (#6777888)
      considering that he mentions that because of the availability of broadband as being one of the methods that allows this to happen, I doubt that they will continue to cater to the 56k realmedia format.
    • All of the programmes currently avaliable are in streaming realmedia, catered to the 56k audiance. I could see this initiative falling flat on it's face unless a burnable, portable and high quality format is used.

      I totally fail to see how burnable is important as it is against the will with which this initiative is going ahead. Also you should pay your TV license fee in good faith, i.e. if you want to keep watching someting go and buy it after all most stuff which is worth multiple viewings is availab

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:41PM (#6777892)
    This would be a great use for Bittorrent. It would be expensive for BBC to distrubite these; with Bittorrent, it would keep the costs down, and present a non-piracy method to the public.
  • by AtariDatacenter ( 31657 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:42PM (#6777893)
    Will it include Dr. Who?
    • by rde ( 17364 )
      I'm not sure. Do you think Doctor Who is included in 'all the corporation's programme archives'?

      Just to clarify for the rest of you who may have been wondering:

      Yes, 'all' probably includes Monty Python

      Yes, 'all' probably includes those naught Dennis Potter plays and series

      Yes, 'all' probably includes Faulty Towers.

      I've only one question: d'you think it includes The Omega Factor? I'd love to see that again.

    • by tjensor ( 571163 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:58PM (#6778003) Journal
      Interesting question - along with all the other "Will it include my favourie series" questions. At the moment, the BBC sells videos, dvds, audio tapes of its shows. Now I would think this brings in a reasonable amount of revenue. But if all the content is to be given away for free, surely these will die away?
      • But if all the content is to be given away for free, surely these will die away? I think, whether the industry likes it or not, we're moving towards a model where content IS given away. And you buy the DVD or whatever for the extras. Look at the Red Dwarf DVDs they just released. You can get the eps for cheap (or free on Kazaa) but there are a huge load of extras, plus the DVD mastering, to make it worth buying the set. And besides, the article does say ALL the archives not, "All the shows except
      • It'll make a dent in DVD sales, no doubt, but I doubt it'll kill them. Even with broadband, downloading a decent-quality TV show won't be instantaneous, so you won't get the "Hey, we have a half-hour to kill, let's watch X" effect.

        And decent picture quality isn't a given -- they may encode everything at 256kbps or somesuch, in which case it'll be less than pleasant to watch on a large monitor/TV. DVDs will also presumably continue to include commentary tracks, making-of documentaries, and all the other st

    • by Bonker ( 243350 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:38PM (#6778214)
      Yeah, my hard drive is about to take a world class a**-f***ing.

      Doctor Who
      The Prisoner
      Hitchhikers Guide (Radio. Didn't care much for the TV.)
      Blake's 7
      Red Dwarf
      Faulty Towers
      Monty Python
      Etc... Etc...

      The real wonderful thing to think about here is not all the free video and audio, but the way having all this free video and audio around will inspire new writers to create stories like these.
    • Maybe... (Score:3, Interesting)

      by gilesjuk ( 604902 )
      They did throw away or wipe the tapes of many of the old Dr Who shows.

      Link to missing episodes [who-central.co.uk]
  • Amazing! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by neiffer ( 698776 ) *
    Assuming that it is workable and of reasonable quality, this is a huge development. I'd particularly recomment the BBC4 program "I'm Sorry I Haven't a Club," an amazing improv show.
  • YeeeeHAH! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Tsu Dho Nimh ( 663417 ) <abacaxi.hotmail@com> on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:42PM (#6777899)
    Finally, I can see the last 5 episodes of "Alo, Alo"!
  • Does this mean... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by diesel66 ( 254283 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:43PM (#6777902)
    That all the Monty Python episodes will be available? That would be really cool, but I just spent ~$100 on the 14 DVD boxed set. Nuts!
    • by Anonymous Coward
      DVDs will definately be much higher quality than these internet-focused formats. It's worth it to buy the DVDs, but I think what the BBC guy had to say is very interesting: He wants the digital revolution to have more "public value" as opposed to lining corporations pockets. I think it's a great move, and I applaud his actions. I will be glad to see the final site when it is unveiled. I hope this project succeeds.
    • I doubt the downloads will be anywhere close to DVD quality, so you're still ahead of the game. :)

      Nonetheless, this does seem like it'd make a small dent in their DVD sales business. Time will tell if the potential loss in sales will be worth the greater exposure.
    • That all the Monty Python episodes will be available? That would be really cool, but I just spent ~$100 on the 14 DVD boxed set. Nuts!

      I wouldn't count on this, since thanks to a U.S. court decision in the late '70s the Pythons own all the rights to the TV series, not the BBC or anyone else.

      I cannot conceive of this archive existing without some very large and substantial gaps. So much BBC programming (particularly nowadays) is created with the collaboration of private sector companies that it would be

  • by aldoman ( 670791 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:44PM (#6777911) Homepage
    Hopefully they will do what they do with the BBC Broadband service - peer with DSL and cable ISPs so the bandwidth costs nothing apart from the upkeep of the system.

    This also means that international folks can't access it. Which is good since I pay my TV License...
  • by ptaff ( 165113 )
    After all the experiences with Ogg Vorbis, will they use that as *the* format?

    Unfortunately Ogg Theora is not ready yet for video...
  • by acceleriter ( 231439 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:47PM (#6777926)
    . . . taxpayer and contributor supported NPR [npr.org] only makes audio available in proprietary [audible.com], streaming [real.com] formats [windowsmedia.com]. Perhaps if they want to lock up their content, they should stop taking taxpayer money and donations, hmm?

    P.S.: Those things that sound like commercials in the NPR broadcast can't be commercials, because public radio doesn't have commercials by definition. They must be "sponsorship acknowledgements."

    • And the BBC is making them available in Real format, so whats your point?

    • What flamebait. You should be ashamed of yourself if you modded this up.
    • by kennylives ( 27274 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:54PM (#6778587) Journal
      While I don't particularly like the use of proprietary streaming formats, I do recognise that they're using what's likely to reach a majority of their audience. Ideally, they could use MP3's, but I suspect that you're probably talking more along the lines of Ogg, which, let's be honest, doesn't even appear on the radar for these guys (nor most of their audience).

      So, yeah, you can write letters to them to make your displeasure known, and to try to convince them to use a more free-software-friendly format. But to characterise the use of RM/WM as a misuse of taxpayer money is just wrong. The fact is that NPR is not directly government funded, nor has it been for years. From the 2000 NPR annual report:

      NPR receives no direct general operating support from any national or local government source. NPR does compete along with other producers for specific project grants from federally funded entities such as the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, the National Science Foundation and the National Endowments for the Arts and the Humanities.

      (source - NPR Annual Report [npr.org] - page 21. Yes, it's a pdf, STFU). The report goes on to put the amount of money coming from those organizations at less than 2% of NPR's revenues.

  • by Scarblac ( 122480 ) <slashdot@gerlich.nl> on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:47PM (#6777930) Homepage

    This news absolutely makes my day. Week! If they manage to do this just a little, this just made my year.

    Quotes like this:
    "I believe that we are about to move into a second phase of the digital revolution, a phase which will be more about public than private value; about free, not pay services; about inclusivity, not exclusion.

    Doesn't that single quote look more exciting than a whole porn site? :-)

    The whole BBC library! All the documentaries and stuff... all the Monty Pythons, all the Young Ones, all the Bottoms, all the AbFab, all the Men Behaving Badly, all the Blackadders!

    All the cricket Test matches they used to broadcast!!

    Oh... Excuse me, I think I just wet my pants.

    • Now, myself, I was thinking "DR WHO!!!! DR FUCKING WHO!!!" Not to mention red dwarf, etc... things that people are paying for now, so don't expect them to actually be put up.

      Then I read this:

      All the cricket Test matches they used to broadcast!!

      Oh man... Imagine it.... Warney's early matches... Boonie... Tubby taylor, AB... A coupla cases of XXXX.... I'd be in heaven!
  • by arbitrary nickname ( 325162 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:48PM (#6777931)
    Will this just be news/education/documentaries? Or will it really include every episode of Doctor Who and Eastenders?....

    Wouldn't 'free, legal TV entertainment downloads' result in absoloute outrage from the MPAA and friends? I can't see it ever happenning....
    • by Scarblac ( 122480 ) <slashdot@gerlich.nl> on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:01PM (#6778020) Homepage

      Well, since they have the copyrights over loads of stuff, and they are a public organization, not a company, I think they'll just have to shut up. They're simply serving the public like they're supposed to :-)

    • Wouldn't 'free, legal TV entertainment downloads' result in absoloute outrage from the MPAA and friends? I can't see it ever happenning....

      this is why you will NEVER see this happen in the USA.

      the laws here that are bought and paid for by the RIAA and MPAA will disallow any such heresy such as this.

      The USA will sink into a cultural dark ages while the rest of the world, if they are able to fight off the push by the US govt. to "be like us... help us protect the sacred mickey mouse....."
      • Never say never.

        If you set cynicism aside for a second, it doesn't take too much effort to imagine a better future where the would-be Intellectual Property lords are defeated by public and private funding [firstmonday.dk] of new works. Rather than perpetually paying rent for artificially scarce content, people would instead pay organizations (like the BBC) and individuals for what's actually scarce: the creation of new content.

        --

  • As an non French living in Paris, this is soo good. Now we can finally watch some real TV here, instead of only 5 public channels of stupid quizzes and musical shows.

    I can't wait to see the royle family again. In fact, a friend of mine just ordered the DVDs with the BBC last week.
    • As an non French living in Paris, this is soo good. Now we can finally watch some real TV here, instead of only 5 public channels of stupid quizzes and musical shows.

      And Jerry Lewis movies. You have that, too, right?
  • by Makarakalax ( 658810 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:48PM (#6777941) Homepage
    Just wanted to point out to the world that TV License paying Brits like myself pay for the BBC. Just something to keep in mind when you're downloading Red Dwarf season 3.

    But don't get me wrong, I'd like to add how happy I am with the BBC; they offer fantastic services and I'm proud that they're available to everyone in the world. Without much doubt the quality of radio and TV in the UK is far better because of the BBC. Not to mention Brits won't put up with frequent or long advert breaks because the BBC channels have none!

    Also, it's refreshing to see a company be happier to let people enjoy it's IP than to be obsessed with milking the consumer for every penny it can.
    • by EvanED ( 569694 ) <evaned@NOspAM.gmail.com> on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:13PM (#6778092)
      I can say that, despite the fact that I don't even live in Europe, if I can download the entire Monty Python and Hittchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series, the BBC will get a (small; I'm in college) amount of money in the mail from me.
      • Yeah - I'm no longer a starving student, so I've been snapping up DVD collections of HHGTTG, Red Dwarf, Blackadder, etc. Frankly, if I could get the beeb on my TV, unedited and straight from the UK, I'd happily pay the license fee. Unfortunately, Canada's crappy [expressvu.com] satellite companies (is there even more than one?) only offer their BBC Canada [channelcanada.com], amongst dozens of sports channels and duplicate channels (Like sci-fi? Then you'll love Space - East Coast, three hours IN THE FUTURE!!! Gag.). They probably put in
    • by danila ( 69889 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:59PM (#6778324) Homepage
      Believe me, we (people outside UK) do and we are really grateful to people like you (no kidding). Tuning to BBC World is literally like a stream of fresh air in almost all countries. Unfortunately, there is no mechanism for us to support BBC, except to occasionally buy some DVDs, but Britain gets our most sincere gratitude.

      On an unrelated note, Global Business [bbc.co.uk] just started airing (and webcasting) the first episode of the 3-series programme about Russian business that I helped to make. :)
  • Bravo, BBC! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by nordicfrost ( 118437 ) * on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:52PM (#6777959)
    This is what a public broadcaster should do. Where I live, Norway, our public broadcaster has become more and more commercial. I'm starting to lose my belief in the license system because of all the crap that happens. The Norwegian public broadcaster demands that I pay 250 USD a year for having a TV. Before, this was OK but now this money goes to commercial crap and incredibly small target audiences.


    What really pissed me off a couple of months ago was that they CHARGED ME MONEY (4 USD) for watching a 5-minute part rerun on the web. I sent them a big fuck you-mail and asked what the hell was going on with the property of the people. The broadcaster is owned by the state, ergo the public. No reply.


    So kudos to the BBC, crap to NRK.

  • by Beniamino ( 21297 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:53PM (#6777968)
    [History of the BBC] [bbc.co.uk]

    The BBC was founded in 1922. They broadcast radio only until 1936 when they started their first TV channel. A lot of cool stuff.
    • by garethwi ( 118563 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:20PM (#6778438) Homepage
      ...and I came across this paragraph

      Newsreader Bruce Belfrage was on air when 500lbs of explosives hit Broadcasting House in October 1940. He paused as he heard the bomb go off during his nine o'clock bulletin - but continued as normal, as he was not allowed to react on air because of security reasons. Seven people were killed.

      Did this man have balls of steel or what?
    • The BBC has never stopped radio broadcasts - if you check out this [bbc.co.uk] you will find several channels including an excellent serious music station (radio 3). Click on any audio stream link and you get a BBC gui wrapper for the realplayer streams with lots of links to tons of archived stuff too including the superb Reith Lectures 2003 [bbc.co.uk] featuring V.S. Ramachandran.

      By the way, many of us Brits have pressured them to give us Ogg streams in the past and they even actually did so for a while but they have been very

  • Hitchhiker's guide!? (Score:5, Informative)

    by JordanH ( 75307 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:53PM (#6777970) Homepage Journal
    If this includes the original Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy Radio shows from the early 80's this would be GREAT!

    Everybody I know who heard those broadcasts agrees that it was the best HHGTG of all. I don't believe they've ever been released exactly as originally broadcast. Transcripts are available of those shows, but these miss the subtle music and audio effects that made the show really wonderful. I know I was disappointed with some audio tapes I purchased years later.

    I've never been interested in ripping off Douglas Adams, or his family, by downloading mp3s that purport to be copies of the original show.

    • by gidds ( 56397 ) <[ku.em.sddig] [ta] [todhsals]> on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:30PM (#6778181) Homepage
      I don't believe they've ever been released exactly as originally broadcast.

      [fx: glances over at CD box sets of the two series, (c) BBC Worldwide 1996]

      Er... excuse me?

      Well, technically, you're right; I believe that there were some very minor changes; especially to the last couple of episodes which were recorded and mixed in a terrible hurry. But they are substantially as broadcast, and certainly what the original producers intended.

      And if these CDs really aren't available where you are (which I suspect they are), I expect that at least some of the MP3s out there are from them. (Not that I'm condoning that kind of thing, of course...)

      • Just to be really sad, it was also released on vinyl, a double and a single album. This was not the same version as the radio but slightly different. It's in my record collection.

        I listened to the original radio shows, saw the TV series, have the LPs and saw the stage play at the Finsbury Rainbow and bought the books. That's 5 versions, all slightly (or not so slightly) different. IMNSHO the book(s) is(are) the weakest version with the radio version the best.

        The stage play was suitably weird, with the book

  • by ratfynk ( 456467 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:53PM (#6777977) Journal
    Does this mean if you query the cluster archive with 'why' 'archive' it will tell you 42?
  • How will it work? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by zero-one ( 79216 ) <jonwpayne@@@gmail...com> on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:54PM (#6777984) Homepage
    This seems like a good idea but I think there will be a lot of problems or limitations.

    The BBC appear to have sold the rights to many of their successful programs to other channels such as UK Gold. For more recent programs, they might not own the Internet rights to them if they have been made for the BBC by third party companies (I think this has stopped them from including some radio programs in thier existing (and very good) radio archive site. Also, what about international rights - I would guess there are many cases were the BBC have sold rights for brodcast in other contries to other broadcasters.

    While I think this good be very good, I wouldn't be suprised if it is limited to clips that are more useful for research purposes (like news footage and small budget documenteries) than the big money programs.

  • Bandwidth? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by RonnyJ ( 651856 )
    With the huge bandwidth needed for a project like this, just wait til it's online and Slashdot links to it ;)
  • i was introduced to Douglas Adams when PBC aired this in the states. no doubt its one of the many treasures that exist in their archives.
  • by listen ( 20464 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:02PM (#6778028)
    The Rupert Murdoch owned media has become increasingly shrill about the BBC. Recently a top Sky (Fox equivalent in the UK ) executive made a speech about what he wants done to the BBC:

    * Forced auction of any good programs the BBC makes to Sky and ITV (Honestly!! Anything good should be reaped from where it was produced, and interrupted with reams of shite car adverts.)
    * Enforced licence fee reductions
    * Banned from buying US imports (24, Buffy, etc)
    * All kinds of other random restrictions to make life easier for the bottom feeders at Newscorp.

    The Sun and Times, Murdochs bought rags, have also been consistently ragging on about the bullshit Iraq dossier affair, in which a BBC journalist is accused of actually telling the truth.

    This is the ultimate reply.

    " Fuck with us, we'll bury your "Footballers Wives" and "Sex in trashy Greek holiday resorts" crap in 70 years of quality broadcasting!"

    This is almost too good to be true. Have to see if Tony gets a call from Rupert, and poor old Greg Dyke gets his marching orders.
  • Great! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Azureflare ( 645778 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:03PM (#6778029)
    How long will it take to watch all this programming? You could spend your whole life watching it.

    The amount of historical material is mind boggling! I'll be eager to support once it is available. We should have more broadcast companies trying to give "public value." Heh. I honestly can't imagine a company in the U.S. doing something like this.

    However, just to ponder, I remember reading that the BBC was getting a lot of flak for the suicide of David Kelly. I hope it's not too cynical to suggest that perhaps in some way, they are doing this to restore some of their image that may have been tarnished?

    At any rate, this is definately a very magnanimous thing for the BBC to do, and I am glad to see it.

  • by fuqqer ( 545069 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:06PM (#6778048) Homepage
    If the BBC releases their Radio Archive, they might be distributing great artist live performances like Jimi Hendrix and Led Zeppelin. I know that theses performances have been released on CD by major record labels.

    Will the RIAA go after the BBC for distributing their own recordings of someone else's material? Will they have to get permission from every artist they want to feature in their archive?

    If an artist knows I am recording their performance and chooses to perform anyway, do they own the rights to distribution or do I?

    I know they are dumb questions, but the mechanics of the ownership seem really confusing to me in an archive or library format.
    • The rights problems will have to be worked out (note that the announcement only covers the materials that te BBC has total rights to publish.)

      Over the past couple of years, all new contracts for radio work have included explicit agreements for Internet distribution. The Beebs internet radio services are being heavily promoted in the UK.

      The real problem is the use of Real formats :-)
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  • by GojiraDeMonstah ( 588432 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:10PM (#6778077) Homepage
    • How can it be determined whether the use is commercial or not? I assume they mean you can't re-distribute the content for profit, but what about using the material as research for books or other for-sale works?
    • What will the RIAA say? Surely they won't just lie down while Beatles performances, John Peel Sessions [bbc.co.uk], and other huge cash cows are available for free.
    • What will the MPAA say? Apologies for not having done my research, but surely there are DVDs for sale at Best Buy of content distributed by members of the MPAA?
    • Will it only be material the BBC explicitly produced? Surely they, like other networks, have broadcast shows or footage that they didn't create.
    • What formats will be used? This seems like a thorny issue. Many of the most popular formats have strings attached. With the hoo-ha surrounding proprietary image and sound recording formats, what's the best set of technologies to use?
    • How long will it take to get the material online? It seems like this will be a never-ending project, with new content being created 24/7.
    • What will the order of precedence be? Will it be FIFO, FILO, by popularity, by media type?
    This is terribly exciting... I hope other media outlets follow suit.
    • What will the RIAA say?
      What will the MPAA say?

      Who gives a crap?

      Hint: The last A stands for America. No matter what they may have you believe, neither of these organisations mean a thing outside of the USA.

      Thankfully!!
    • Did you know there are places outside of america?
      The UK is not in america so the RIAA and MPAA have very little say there . Plus its the BBC , they are the british broadcastin service . You f with them and you can bet if your company does any shady business practices everyone will know (not just the UK , thats the miracle of syndication :-) . I tend to listen to the BBC world service on shortwave becuase the local media (CBC) is crap.
      As for BBC produced , those will probably happen first and then any witch
  • F*ckin A! This is great for those of us who don't have cable, and it shows those a**holes in American media up a thing or two. Plus, you know. Legal alternative to downloading illegal American TV shows. -- Funksaw
  • by Lord Kholdan ( 670731 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:17PM (#6778109)
    Please let it be divx instead of realmedia or other crap!
  • Because it will be a free service, and include such a HUGE amount of Data, I think it's safe to assume that the compression quality will be less than stellar.
    Having just paid >$80 CDN for the Blue Planet DVD set, I still feel that it is money well spent. The quality will be vastly superior to whatever is available online.
    On that note, I'm still all about giving money to the BBC.
  • Just imagine how much more content they [the BBC] would've had available had they not incinerated so many cannisters of film in the 70s because they saw no use in keeping it...and I'm not just speaking of all the episodes of Doctor Who they torched either...
  • I love the BBC (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ralphclark ( 11346 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:33PM (#6778190) Journal
    Even with Sky satellite TV in the house, my wife and I spend most of our TV hours tuned into BBC1 & 2. Apart from the lack of annoying commercials, the BBC have consistently out-done all the commercial channels in terms of the quality of its programming. Way to go, BBC. We love you!

    Others have mentioned Dr Who, Black Adder and Monty Python's Flying Circus. Here are some other BBC classics, just a few favourites that spring to mind:

    Period Drama: Elizabeth I; I, Claudius
    Drama: Casualty
    Comedy: Fawlty Towers; Steptoe and Son; Only Fools and Horses; One Foot in the Grave; Red Dwarf; Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
  • by gmcraff ( 61718 ) <gmcraff.yahoo@com> on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:40PM (#6778224)
    ... And I, not being a British subject, would still be willing to pay a lesser "TV tax" subscription for the access to a near-TV quality, downloadable archive in a portable format.

    Let's be fair: the cost of these fine productions (and let's not get into the nit-picks about cardboard sets and cheesy sci-fi aliens) has already been borne by the TV-tax paying British public. They got to see ad-free television produced by people who were willing to take artistic risks because the they weren't subject to the tyranny of the marketing department.

    If this is your style, I suspect you'd like to support them in producing more of the like. I like the sci-fi and the some of the comedy the BBC produces. If I could have access to new productions, even if it was a year or so after the first run in England, I'd would be willing to pay for it.

    I think this archive of older radio and TV is a fantastic idea, even if it's not in a portable format right now. Fair enough: if you getting it for free, you can't complain how you're getting it. If the BBC would like an extra revenue stream, earmarked to support risk-taking entertainment that might not be universally popular, but still take direct feedback from the public, rather than markerters, I'll find a way to convert a few US dollars to pounds sterling to support it.

    So, a question for anyone who wants to take it on: What would be a good business model for the BBC to take, understanding that their mandate is to produce entertainment for the British public, to enable foreigners to have access, provide support and feedback without jeopardizing that mandate?
    • well, you just spelled out the solution. Have a low monthly or yearly fee to cover the cost of bandwidth.

      So long as it doesn't cost extra to entertain non-brits it's not a problem for them. Also, one might argue that broadcasting british TV around the world is in the british interest, the more exposure you have to a culture the more likely it is you will visit / do business etc. etc.

      Ponxx
    • They got to see ad-free television produced by people who were willing to take artistic risks because the they weren't subject to the tyranny of the marketing department... ... and ended up with Noel's House Party.
    • by garyok ( 218493 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @06:09PM (#6779531)
      ... and that's the business model. I honestly don't see a future where anyone gets charged for the BBC, except the UK taxpayers. And I don't really want that to change, as that would make the BBC into just another commercial broadcaster, deciding its programming based on commercial criteria in the long run.

      The BBC isn't (and never was) just for UK residents. It's always had a mandate to bring culture (as opposed to ignorance) to everyone in the world. Yeah, the Beeb has priorities, and maybe they'll throttle the bandwidth to non-UK clients, but charging? Nah. And as a license payer I wouldn't want them to.

      While this idea might generate quite a bit of funding from the developed nations, it'd also block access from the developing nations, and it's the developing nations that would need this stuff the most. It's not just Blackadder and Dr. Who, there's a ton of educational material in the archives, including the Open University, that should be free to anyone with an internet connection (and a lot of patience).
  • by edunbar93 ( 141167 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:53PM (#6778297)
    I can see how this can be a project that will be instantly way too expensive to keep going for the BBC. Because we all know that on opening day, the announcement will be here on Slashdot, home page of the entire world's geek population. And of course, we'll all be clamouring to download their entire archive all at once. If we don't make their servers beg for mercy, we'll melt their routers with the traffic.

    But I guess we'll just have to see. If it hasn't been done already, we should write them and recommend Bittorrent, or perhaps find good mirroring sites.
  • by Lust ( 14189 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:37PM (#6778511) Homepage
    CBC has archives back to 1938 online HERE [archives.cbc.ca]. The radio broadcasts from the front line of WW II are really something.
  • Ownership (Score:3, Insightful)

    by BuilderBob ( 661749 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @03:43PM (#6778820)

    The big question is what acutally consitutes the "BBC archive"? Is it everything that's ever been shown on the BBC, or is it only the in-house produced BBC programs?

    To take an obvious example, The Simpsons, their definately not BBC property, so I doubt they'll be in the archive, neither will any of the other American imports (24, Buffy, Star Trek, etc.). But then, what about Blackadder? Surely that was made by the BBC? The rights to Blackadder are owned by Tiger productions (Rowan Atkinson's company), this includes the DVD rights for example. Will this be in the archive?

    What about Monty Python, 'Allo 'Allo, Red Dwarf, Dr Who or Hitchhikers? A (non-authoritative ) Amazon check suggests that they are all distributed by BBC worldwide, which is the commerical arm of the BBC (and produces all of the commercial UK-* stations on Sky), but how many of these have additional rights? Red Dwarf (the book) is owned by Grant Naylor, Hitchhikers by Douglas Adams. How many books will get sold if these episodes are available for free?

    There's also the digitising problem, It might not seem like it, but only in the last 5 years have any TV programs been digitally stored. And the BBC tend to lose things, they lost episodes of Dr Who for example (one is still missing I think), so how many of these archives will be complete?

    I am truly hoping that most BBC aired programs will be there (you might have to wait for "The Office"?) but I have a horrible feeling it'll be an archive of Eastenders (bad bad soap opera), Casualty (no blood-n-guts E.R. clone) and Noel's house party (please god no).

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    What a time to be sitting on a Gigabit university network... :)

  • A dream come true. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by sanx ( 696287 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @09:21PM (#6780686) Homepage
    Speaking as an ex-pat Brit, the BBC is the premiere producer of high-quality content on the planet. There isn't a single content producer with an archive that can match the Beeb's.

    Although Blair is desperate to get rid of the BBC or to change its mandate to make it advertiser-funded (in no small part because it criticises "New Labour") any change made to the way the BBC operates or is funded would spell the end of one of the greatest organisations anywhere in the world.

    The BBC can produce the programs they do, and report news in the way it does, because it answers to no-one. Not the UK government, not to sponsors, not to advertisers. It doesn't have to keep anyone happy. Think of this: How in-depth was the reporting of the M$ vs DoJ debacle on MSNBC? How in-depth was the reporting of AOHell's financial woes on CNN?

    The BBC recently came under huge criticism for their claim that the UK's official government dossier on Iraq's WMD was "sexed up". In the viewer feedback section they had on this, at least half of the comments posted on the BBC's site were anti-BBC. Some were calling for it to be shutdown and disbanded. Can you imagine CNN doing the same?

    I think the decision to open up their content archive to the public for free is truly wonderful. I think it also has business possibilities for the BBC. Would ISPs in the USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and other English-speaking countries get business from advertising a high-speed BBC content mirror? I think so. ISP pays the BBC to mirror their content = ISP gets more customers = BBC gets more money.

    If the BBC's sale of DVDs and videos remained unchanged or even went up as a result, it would also put a final nail in the coffin of the MPAssA and RIAssA's arguments that: free download = doom, gloom, bankrupt artists = death of civilisation as we know it. The BBC has the might to compete with anyone on the world stage. Their public popularity is, and has been for many year, the envy of every other media company in existence. The RIAssA and MPAssA would not have a leg to stand on should the BBC come out in favour (backed up by figures, of course) of making content freely-available.

    Now, where do I get that OC43 connection from?

  • by Odinson ( 4523 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @10:32PM (#6781080) Homepage Journal
    "I believe that we are about to move into a second phase of the digital revolution, a phase which will be more about public than private value; about free, not pay services; about inclusivity, not exclusion.

    "In particular, it will be about how public money can be combined with new digital technologies to transform everyone's lives."

    Everywhere in hollywood, stars and middlemen, flunkies and directors, aging rockers and CEOs woke up screaming.

    "No.. no, not the Internet! Don't put it ON the INTERNET AAAAHHHHHH, OUR CONTROL, OUR MARGINS! NO PEOPLE NEED USSSSSSSSSSSS!!"

    You heartless British bastards.

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