Ditching your Landline Just Got Easier 358
QuePasaCalabaza writes "The FCC has approved a bill 5-0 that allows consumers to take their land line phone numbers and carry them over to thier wireless phones. USA Today has one of the first scoops on this ruling. The official news release [Word|PDF] is there."
I have DSL (Score:2)
Re:I have DSL (Score:2)
Re:I have DSL (Score:4, Insightful)
Anyway, saving $40/month by switching to cable and dropping my landline was the best and most cost effective upgrade I ever did and I don't have to pay a dime to Verizon ever again.
-N
Re:I have DSL (Score:2)
Anyway, this bill comes about 3 years too late for a lot of us. Also, much like cell number portability I'll believe it when I see it.
Re:I have DSL (Score:2)
Re:I have DSL (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, you're already in bed with the evil phone company... so what's the difference?
Someone needs to just run fiber to everyone's house/business and put all these bozos out of business.
Re:I have DSL (Score:2, Interesting)
Remember when UUNet threatened to only pass traffic of paying customers? That would have cause a severe disruption in the...well...nevermind. But the point is, the same thing could happen if one of the big backbones were to kick the bucket.
Re:I have DSL (Score:2)
If you're thinking of peering circuits/NAPs, remember that providers only advertise their own networks to peering partners - they're not going to take traffic at a peer that isn't going to one of their paying customers. So in that sense, the traffic does belong to their paying customer.
Was there a plan at one time at UUNet to pull peering circuits?
Re:I have DSL (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I have DSL (Score:3, Interesting)
Business service through Cox costs about the same as residential service, and about the only thing you can't do is run a warez server or a spamhaus on it. Port-25 traffic is blocked on dynamic IPs, but static IPs are only $10 per month.
Wit
Re:I have DSL (Score:2)
Re:I have DSL (Score:3, Informative)
Sorry. Already got it. [clearworks.com] Quirky internet service, frequent outages, crappy tv reception, and an incompetent customer service department that thinks it should work banker's hours. I thought this was going to be great when I moved into my new home, and after about 6 months ditched them and went with Time Warner. Thank Cthulu I never let them hand
Re:I have DSL (Score:3, Insightful)
Someone needs to just run fiber to everyone's house/business and put all these bozos out of business.
What makes you think that wouldn't end up being the evil fiber company?
Wiring peoples houses is conductive to natural monopolies. Some part of me can't help but think it might be better off as public infrastructure (a la roads), but then I think of how much I would be paying to wire all the people who have chosen to live
Re:I have DSL (Score:2)
Re:I have DSL (Score:2)
Why not? Cable connections perform...better
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
Re:I have DSL (Score:3, Interesting)
Lets say I want to run VOIP to bypass SBC. I have to have Cable. What about DSL you say? If I want DSL I have to have a landline so I can't bypass them. It takes cable + VOIP to bypass the Bell Bitches as of now for any ADSL. This is a total L.O.S. I've called SBC and asked them why I can't get _just_ DSL. There answer was "WE need a copper pair to run the signal on". Ok, then run it like you would if I were going to have a phone.
Re:I have DSL (Score:2)
one number to rule them all... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:HAHAHAHA, everybody else is an idiot! (Score:2)
5-0 ? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:5-0 ? (Score:5, Insightful)
There are only nine people on the U.S. Supreme Court who decide whether laws governing your school, your privacy, or your right to have an abortion are constitutional or not. Get used to it.
Re:5-0 ? (Score:2)
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No land line is great (Score:5, Interesting)
Hell, I cannot get reception during home football games much less after a tornado rips through the state.
Land line is also good for your home's alarm and tracking where a 911 call is made from.
I guess I'm just an alarmist, but when you need to call someone, a land line is significantly more reliable than a cable phone or cell phone.
Re:No land line is great (Score:2)
hell in europe they're discussing whether parents can use cell phone location technology to track their kids.
Re:No land line is great (Score:3, Insightful)
hell in europe they're discussing whether parents can use cell phone location technology to track their kids.
See, this is why I don't want a cell phone. Unless I can turn the tracking features off. Of course, when the phone is on and emitting signals it can be tracked whether it has any special tracking functions built in or not.
Re:No land line is great (Score:2)
it's the price of connectedness. people want to be connected, and digital connections can be logged.
you could always turn the phone off when you're not using it, and only use it to make phone calls and return voicemails.
i've got a foil-hat'd friend who already does just that.
then they'd only know where you were while you were actively using it, but they wouldn't be able to log your every move.
Re:No land line is great (Score:2)
Really, the main reason I don't have a cell phone is that I'm cheap. I can accept some tracking in some instances. 911 calls, and with a court order for criminal investigation purposes. But when they start talking about letting any joe user access the info about other peoples phones (even if it's their own children), that's when I get nervous. It seems like there would too many ways to get into the system and abuse it.
Plus, it pisses me off when parents try to use technology to do their job for the
Re:No land line is great (Score:2)
On a side note, I'd like a cell phone docking station that would connect my cell phone to my house wiring - much like the ATA adapters that come with popular VoIP services like vonage or packet8.net.
Re:No land line is great (Score:2, Informative)
or until (Score:5, Insightful)
I like always having a cell phone available. If you suspect a home burglary and find that your phone doesn't work, you'll be damned glad you have that cell, because you're facing one of two kinds of opponents.
#1. A professional who has anticipated your alarm system.
#2. A stalker-type who has surveiled you, knows you are home, and has plans for you.
Either way... I'll keep my cell AND land line.
Re:or until (Score:2)
Is this based on statistics or the movies? In what percentage of burglaries does this happen? And what percentage of 911 calls actually involve burglaries?
Lacking evidence to the contrary, I very much doubt this is common enough to make land lines less reliable than cell phones for making 911 calls.
--Bruce Fields
Re:or until (Score:3, Funny)
Paranoia:
1 : a psychosis characterized by systematized delusions of persecution or grandeur usually without hallucinations
2 : a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others
- paranoiac
I'd hardly call keeping a cell phone as a land-line backup irrational and/or exc
Re:No land line is great (Score:4, Funny)
Re:No land line is great (Score:2)
The same is true for cell phones as well. If you cancel your cell service you can still dial 911 in the event of an emergency. It's some sort of legal requirement that telephone companies allow 911 calls to go through.
Re:No land line is great (Score:4, Interesting)
Assuming you're in your home when this urgent need to call someone arises.
Here in the NYC metro area, the only time I've been unable to get a cell phone call through (this was 9/11), all the landline circuits were overloaded too. I eventually managed to catch a friend in the outer suburbs on AIM, and had him call my mother and let her know I was alright.
Re:No land line is great (Score:2)
Brotherly love (Score:5, Funny)
If I lived in Philly, I wouldn't feel safe without a howitzer, an M-60, and booby-trapped windows. I'd wear kevlar to bed. I'd crouch-roll on the way to the bathroom.
But yeah, keeping a land-line is a good start.
Damn. Wish we had that over here... (Score:3, Interesting)
Simon
Re:Damn. Wish we had that over here... (Score:2)
Re:Damn. Wish we had that over here... (Score:2)
Re:Damn. Wish we had that over here... (Score:3, Interesting)
but they did it by requiring every mobile number to start 07...
This has its advantages, however. If any number can be a cellphone number, then telcos are reluctant to place the financial burden of calling a cellphone on the person making the call. Instead, you end up with the situation over here in the USA, where the person receiving the call has to pony up. Which leads to a ridiculous TCO for cellphones here. On moving from the UK to the USA, my cellphone bill (Cingular) went from approx. 20 pounds ($3
just what we all need... (Score:2, Insightful)
-Seriv
All we need now... (Score:2)
What about wireless to landline? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm tired of my cell service and just want to put my wireless number on a landline. Or better yet, put my wireless number on a vonage line.
You can't. (Score:4, Informative)
Perhaps if the phone system could ditch area codes as geographical representation. It should not be too hard, in Atlanta we have 4 area codes all covering the same LARGE area (largest free calling zone in US)
404,770,678, and 470
Yeah, but I think its unwiedly. (Score:3, Interesting)
Too many are trapped into the geographical thinking about area codes. Look at all the business systems that are setup based on area code. When the system was changed to permit digits other than 1 and 0 as the second portion of an area code there were many ramifications outside of the telephone industry.
Another concern, long distance interstate is separate from long distrance intrastate, or
You can do that (Score:2)
Just saw (Score:5, Interesting)
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But...My TiVo. (Score:5, Insightful)
You can't even record a single show without first making a telephone call on a landline. Even the DirecTiVos which get their listing from the satellite.
Is there a way to plug a normally landline-connected device into a cell phone for the occasional call?
Okay... (Score:2)
Frankly everyone should keep a landline for emergency calls at the very least. Lord knows I don't want to be searching for service if I'm bleeding to death on the floor.
Re:Okay... (Score:2)
Yeah, great. $40 a month (yes, really. SBC rapes you. $35 or so just for the line, and we had to get Privacy Manager to stop the 10+ calls a day of the telemarketers' war dialers just calling and hanging up) so I can call 911 if I'm bleeding on the floor.
So for the next 27 years that comes to, uh, $12,960. Assuming no inflation.
Want to split it? You can make emergency calls, too.
Notably, even "inactive" phone lines still connected to the grid have to be able to make 911 calls (as me
Re:But...My TiVo. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:But...My TiVo. (Score:3, Insightful)
You still have to make the initial call over a phone line. I'm positive.
Re:But...My TiVo. (Score:3, Informative)
Nope.
With the 1st gen units, if you've used the 9th Tee card and have the right revision of the SW (1.3), using ethernet is as simple as providing the right prefix for dialing (something like *#401) and it'll do the rest.
With series 2 machines, the USB-ethernet adaptor is recognised, and you're good to go. No hacks needed. I've never had my TiVo connected to a land-line.
The only time you need a landline for a TiVo any more is a
Re:But...My TiVo. (Score:2)
At least that's what the folks at TiVO told me. It's worked like a charm since.
Re:But...My TiVo. (Score:2)
Since TiVo just loves to send hardware out with ancient versions of the software.
They're up to, what, v4.0.1 [tivo.com] now?
v1.3 was obsoleted June of 2001.
Re:But...My TiVo. (Score:2)
The third floor guy has no landline phone, but doesn't have any use for one.
If I go landline-free, who would I be "sharing" with? There are only 3 units in my building and, as I mentioned, the other two are all-cellular. The only building within a few hundred feet is a restaurant which happens to be run by a bunch of assholes.
I suppose I could take my hypothetical new TiVo over to a friend's house, but they would have to have a Satellite
Re:But...My TiVo. (Score:2)
Anyone know of anything similar that's more in the, say, $50 range?
Neat, but why? (Score:3, Interesting)
I ditched my land-line a long time ago, and never missed it. I appreciate the concept, but I think I'd take a pass on this opportunity.
I understand if you've had your phone number for years why this might be a nice option, but for me (who moves all too frequently, which assisted in my desire to ditch a land line alltogether), this just isn't a factor.
Re:Neat, but why? (Score:2)
I do like the idea that I could port my land line number around if I so chose, but I just don't see any benefits to it in my case. I like the idea that your number could actually be "your number", though I can see this backfiring (like having to register it like a domain name and lease it on a yearly basis, or some other evil money-grubbing scheme to take power away from the subscriber). For now, mayb
take my telemarketer-known number with me? (Score:5, Insightful)
one of the few things that makes sole cell ownership preferable to a landline is that the cell companies don't (or can't) sell their registries to telemarketers.
since i've gone land-line-less
but if i took my landline number onto my cell service - man i'd be doubly infuriated at any telemarketing - even if it was restricted to traffic allowed by the do-not-call registry.
(non-profits, political advocacy, and any company who has sold you products or services in the last 18 months -- all cleared to bother you as much as they want.)
telemarketers (Score:2, Interesting)
Bah! Who needs this? (Score:2)
Bad idea (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Bad idea (Score:2)
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Get ready for... (Score:2, Insightful)
Obvious Disantvantages (Score:3)
1.
Multiple outlets no more. I know when Grandma calls it is nice to have a few of us able to listen in at the same time.
2.
TiVo/DSL/BBS's.
3.
Emergency Calls. Would suck to not have service/coverage during an emergency.
4.
Battery life. (I can choose to not go wireless with a jack or two in the house to ensure dead batteries and misplaced handsets don't ruin the chances of contacting me)
On the plus side: I am sure the companies that build and sell aftermarket replacement batteries for cell phones love this ruling. At $29 - $59+ a pop -- and a life span of less than a year (of being able to hold a full charge)that equals some big cash.
dedicated area code (Score:2, Interesting)
Not all can port their numbers (Score:2)
Pisses my off because of Cingular's crappy switch from TDMA to GSM has cost me at least one contract because of their network down time. It was less than 45 days at that point until number portablitiy was to take place, so I went to Alltel and they told me it will be at least May, if not next october. I heard that from other
They lie (Score:2)
Or.... (Score:2)
Probaly expains (Score:2)
Probably a way to divert attention or confuse the situation?
A tip (Score:2)
If you are moving, port over your wireline number over to your cell phone before you move. This way you get to keep your old phone number even if you move outside the callign area. Of course: this means people in your new area will have to make a long distance call when they call you.
On a side note: The wireless industry expects 5-6 million numbers to be ported between Nov 24
Tank, I need an exit! (Score:3, Funny)
Make Money Fast! (Score:2)
2. Spread your phone number around (surveys etc)
3.
4. Profit!
Switch soon before teleco redo their service terms (Score:2)
If you plan to migrate, do it soon before the companies decide to make it expensive to dump them. Also, read any new service contract very carefully.
Expect problems (Score:2)
Approved a bill? (Score:2)
Tired of whining telephone companies? I am. (Score:2)
"The disparity for the Bells lies in the fact that wireless local calling areas are generally much bigger than those of the Bells and may overlap several. So unless the wired phone and the wireless company's equipment are in the same Bell local area, a cell phone customer who switched a number to a wired phone could face toll charges to call next door."
Translation: the poor big telcos are sad because they can't get away with charging people an arm and a leg to call long distance anymore. Oh, wook, we ma
Not until telemarketing is completely wiped out (Score:2)
Telemarketers... (Score:2)
Number portability is powered by Verisign (Score:4, Informative)
Verisign also handles wiretapping. [verisign.com] If your phone is being wiretapped, Verisign reroutes all your calls (in and out) to a wiretapping center by altering the routing database. From the wiretapping center, the call is then routed to the destination. This allows both interception and, potentially, man-in-the-middle crypto attacks.
Re:Getting rid of land lines... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Getting rid of land lines... (Score:2)
Re:Getting rid of land lines... (Score:2)
not really correct (Score:2)
In the early days of DSL you could fool the ILECs
Re:not really correct (Score:2)
Seems to be more of an administrative issue, than a technical one.
Re:Getting rid of land lines... (Score:2)
That may be true, but I've never spoken with a phone company that sells DSL without at least one basic land line. Along those same lines, I've never spoken with a cable company that'll sell cable Net access without basic cable (TV) service. Those are both bullshit, so I decided just to use my town's free wireless, instead.
Re:Getting rid of land lines... (Score:3, Interesting)
Pick up the phone... not working... cant make a call or anything as if the line was dead.
DSL experienced no problems at all
So i called them and apparently DSL works on two frequencies completly seperete from the dial-tone. And theyd had some problem in which the dial-tones operating frequency was cut off at theri network.
long story short.... is it possible for them to give you DSL without a phone-number....
Re:Getting rid of land lines... (Score:2)
DSL by itself is not a huge money maker, service bundling is how many markets (cell phone, cable, etc ) are going to be organized.
Re:Same Numer for all (Score:2)
Re:Same Numer for all (Score:2)
Re:so now I have two cells? (Score:2)
My concern, however, is this idea's usefulness outside of single person homes. How does this benefit anyone with a family, or even a roommate?
It's a novel, albeit non-ea