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Satellite Radio Systems Compared 429

The NYT has a review/comparison of XM radio and Sirius, the two systems of digital satellite radio. Not everyone wants to pay for radio, but I guess if you spend enough time listening to it, maybe it's worthwhile.
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Satellite Radio Systems Compared

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    Everyone supports XM, nobody supports Sirius. Just get XM and don't look like a betamax weenie. :-)
    • by izzo nizzo ( 731042 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:38AM (#7784202) Homepage Journal
      Sirius has no commercials. And better channels (my mouth watered at their online trials). And subscribers can stream the music to any computer. Consider the large amount of time our soceity spends in front of the computer and the luxury of having excellent music for that entire time.

      While I haven't used Sirius yet, I hope to afford it soon. XM seems like the work of monopolistic, commercialistic, record-company-loving businesspeople, rather than music lovers, and their service is inferior. Take a stand for a company that respects its customers by subscribing to Sirius.
      • by 1000StonedMonkeys ( 593519 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @03:10AM (#7784484)

        While I haven't used Sirius yet, I hope to afford it soon. XM seems like the work of monopolistic, commercialistic, record-company-loving businesspeople, rather than music lovers, and their service is inferior. Take a stand for a company that respects its customers by subscribing to Sirius.

        If I'm not mistaken, XM is owned in part by the monopolistic, commercialistic, record-company-loving businesspeople known as Clear Channel Communications. You may remember them as the company that's replacing all your local radio stations with prepackaged commercial crap.

    • Everyone supports XM, nobody supports Sirius. Just get XM and don't look like a betamax weenie. :-)

      5 years from now the only system in use could be [thisNewSystem], leaving you looking not just like a betamax weenie, but like a betamax weenie without any tapes...

      Late 90's I was trying to buy a small(ish) portable DAB-radio (Digital Audio Broadcasting [www.sr.se]; not by satelite), but there just were none available on the market (and the "desktop"-models were too expensive to be worth it, IMHO).

      Then I got myself o

    • I sell sirius and XM (Score:3, Interesting)

      by gladbach ( 527602 )
      I work for one of the CC, BB, etc type companies, and we sold out of both a few days ago. Most either dont know either, or come in asking for XM. But, serius has an advantage as its wayyyyy cheaper as an initial investment, and less of a hassle, because their mobile kits have the built in transmitters, and XM has lost a LOT of sales to that exact issue.

      I personally would go with XM, but if sirius wasnt 12.99 I would give it a hard think. The fact that you can buy sirius' subscription out right for 399 r
  • Well, lessee... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dacarr ( 562277 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:09AM (#7784033) Homepage Journal
    Clear signal, buncha different stations, can carry it wherever, excellent audio on the Delphi units, and costs $10 per month. Oh, yeah, only commercials are the brief spots advertising upcoming shows for (say) Dr. Demento and other bits.

    Yeah, I'd buy that for $10. Hmm... FP?

  • FYI (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DAldredge ( 2353 ) <SlashdotEmail@GMail.Com> on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:09AM (#7784034) Journal
    Delphi, the major maker of XM receivers has announced that they are moving all product design and engineering offshore because workers in the USA are paid too much.

    You may want to take that into account when picking a system.
    • good point (Score:2, Interesting)

      by nb caffeine ( 448698 )
      This I did not know. Is there a comprehensive list of companies that do this? I want to know who to support and who to tell to piss off.

      Good thing i cant afford any of these anyway.

      Yeah, its somewhat OT. Shutupp.
      • Re:good point (Score:2, Informative)

        by DAldredge ( 2353 )
        Lou Dobbs on CNN is working on a list. I will see if I can get a copy.

        He lists the companies offshoring multiple times per week on his "Outsourcing America" segements.
      • by JanneM ( 7445 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:20AM (#7784098) Homepage
        Would be a nice list. That way I can avoid any company that does not produce its stuff in Sweden, or other parts of Europe. Don't want my money to fatten up American workers when European ones can get it instead.

        The idea goes both ways...

        • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:49AM (#7784240)
          Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • Re:FYI (Score:5, Funny)

      by happystink ( 204158 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:17AM (#7784079)
      Ooh yeah, so their products will be cheaper, I'll defintiely buy them then, XM it is! Thanks for the tip!
    • Re:FYI (Score:5, Insightful)

      by gid13 ( 620803 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:36AM (#7784191)
      "You may want to take that into account when picking a system."

      Should a patriotic American support protectionist policies? Or support efficient economics? Either way it seems you're right. :)
      • Cost of living in Country A is 1000. Cost of living on Country B is 500. Presumably, you have a job in Country A.

        In the interest of efficiency, should *your* job be ported to Country B? You, personally.
        And when your job is ported to Country B, you personally have to train the Country B personto do you job.

        That is what's happening. IBM just announced a shift of 4500 jobs to Country B. Is it still efficient if it's your job?
        • Re:efficient? (Score:4, Interesting)

          by Artifex ( 18308 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @03:56AM (#7784596) Journal
          Is it still efficient if it's your job?


          Of course it is. What, you expect me to lay aside rational thought because of personal investment in the outcome? You probably want victims deciding punishment for criminals, instead of impartial judges, too.

          The efficient worker is adaptable and retrains. He doesn't rely on protectionism to keep his job at the expense of the buying power of everyone else in his country.
    • Long, ago, I vowed never again to buy goods that used to made at home, but have had their factories moved overseas by corporate greed. I urge everybody to do the same! Of course, this limits your social options, since U.S. made clothes are hard to find...
    • Re:FYI (Score:2, Insightful)

      by nanowyatt ( 196190 )
      Yes, notice that XM is dedicated to running a profitable business by keeping their costs low and that these actions make their long-term survival more likely. Who wants to buy another Betamax? Not me.
  • Not just that... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by macdaddy ( 38372 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:09AM (#7784036) Homepage Journal
    Not everyone wants to pay for radio, but I guess if you spend enough time listening to it, maybe it's worthwhile.

    My folks just built a log home in an area where you can not get any cellular signal. You can barely pickup the nearest radio stations, and that's only if you hold your nose just right. TV via antenna is next to impossible thanks to our hills that surround the home. Satelitte isn't just used by radio aficionados. Real folks like you and I sometimes need it.

    • Re:Not just that... (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Slacker ( 607727 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @02:35AM (#7784398)
      Satelitte isn't just used by radio aficionados. Real folks like you and I sometimes need it.

      I recently bought a Sirius subscription because, though I am not a radio afficianado, I do like to hear music/news/actual programming when I turn on the radio. As it was, I found I had recently been listening to about 3 or 4 of the dozens of local stations in my area, one in particular because it averages only 5 minutes of commercials per hour, and the other couple stations for those few minutes. (the main is a listener-supported classical music station, and the only non-Sirius station I still listen to).
      I gave up on the 20 minutes of hourly ads and the continuous rotation of the same dozen songs on all the other stations 6 months to a year ago.
      Although I do have a CD player in my car, I like to hear new things that I haven't heard before, and it gets expensive buying new CD's all the time, even the generally more economical classical ones that make up the majority of my collection.
      So after weighing my options, and with plenty of holiday travel in my immediate future, I decided in the long term it would be nice to go with satellite radio, as it would be cheaper than laying out the $20-30 per month I have been for new CD's. Plus I can have the opportunity to see what some of the 'music' out there sounds like that I wouldn't pay for under other circumstances. And the being able to listen through their website wherever I happen to have a live internet connection is a nice plus. Now if only the people who sell the stuff at Circuit City/Best Buy had a clue about it and could have told me that due to the poor placement of windows in my apartment it would be virtually impossible for me to get a direct satellite signal at home. But that's what rebates are for, to cover such costs of experimentation.
      • Re:Not just that... (Score:4, Interesting)

        by 87C751 ( 205250 ) <sdot@NosPam.rant-central.com> on Monday December 22, 2003 @09:51AM (#7785949) Homepage
        Although I do have a CD player in my car, I like to hear new things that I haven't heard before, and it gets expensive buying new CD's all the time
        If you have an MP3 CD player in your car (they're down to less than $200 these days) and a CD burner, grab yourself a copy of streamripper [sourceforge.net] and aim it at your favorite Shoutcast [shoutcast.com] stream for about 10 hours. Then trim the saved stuff to ~670MB and burn to a CD-R. (128kb streams usually run around 9-10 hours per CD-R) Now you have a source of new material for substantially less than buying new (even bargain) CDs. I've been doing this for years.
    • I live in Atlanta. I can pick up a lot of radio stations, however none are worth listening to. I listen to Rock(Metal, Hard Rock, Alternative, and Classic Rock) In the morning all of the radio stations that I even consider listen to have boring morning shows with annoying DJ's. Even when the DJ's aren't blabbing, they are playing commercials. You're lucky to here one song every 20-30 minutes and when you do it is always the same song of the month.

      Am I going to get Satelite radio? Not a chance.

      Why not?

  • google link (Score:5, Informative)

    by benna ( 614220 ) * <mimenarrator@g m a i l .com> on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:10AM (#7784040) Journal
    Google Link [nytimes.com]
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:12AM (#7784050)
    They sound the same to me, and have the same selection of stations. This is largely due to the fact I own neither.
    • There is the issue of signal strength. Each satellite provider is givena vertain power output to use for all their signals, and must split it up accordingly. Often times they will give pop and top 20 stations a greater broadcast strength and fringe channels or talk radio less strength. This, of course, effects quality of sound. XM users can witness this by tuning into 20 on 20 (channel 20) and LA Kiss (channel 21). You can notice LA Kiss is of a distinct lower quality than 20 on 20.

      With that being said, I
  • I wonder if the RIAA feels the same way about this as normal RF radio? Will satallite radio stations need to pay for higher fees to play copyrighted music than normal radio?
    That is assuming the Sat radio is of much higher quality than the RF radio and that dubbing music off the radio is a much higher risk for the RIAA.
    Of course, this only really applies to music stations and not news stations etc...
  • Definately (Score:4, Interesting)

    by NiTr|c ( 130325 ) <hackop@@@inumbrate...net> on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:13AM (#7784055) Homepage
    not worth it. You'd have to spend quite a bit of time in your vehicle to make staellite radio worth the cost that it is now. One may as well invest in a multi-disc changer that reads MP3 discs. This way you can have hours upon hours of music that you choose, commercial free. Hopefully, if/when a song sharing service comes around that is legal and not stomped by the RIAA, people will pay the cost per song, be able to burn them all to CD, and then listen in the car. I don't see how paying a monthy fee for satellite radio is even justified when we already have the technology to give ourselves hours of music on a single CD. IMHO, staellite radio hasn't really taken off, and I don't think it ever will. It just seems like a bad trend.
    • Different plan (Score:4, Interesting)

      by LinuxGeek ( 6139 ) <djand.nc@NoSpAM.gmail.com> on Monday December 22, 2003 @03:27AM (#7784529)
      I just bought a dvd burner and plan to pick up a ~$40 dvd player that plays mp3s. Most of the ones I've seen have a seperate power supply and I'll build a small power converter so it will be happy with the 12v in my car and then hook up to the aux-in on my pioneer.

      Instant 4.7gigs of audio files and a remote control to boot. Even with my wide range of tastes ( some say bizarre) I'll only need a few discs worth to take my entire collection. Simple matter to re-rip all the Beatles albums at higher bitrates too since I'm not trying to cram stuff onto CD-Rs.
    • Re:Definately (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Scutter ( 18425 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @06:06AM (#7784900) Journal
      One may as well invest in a multi-disc changer that reads MP3 discs. This way you can have hours upon hours of music that you choose, commercial free.

      If you've never used a satellite radio before, then your comment is somewhat uninformed. There are two major downsides to what you propose. The first is that you never get to hear anything new. The only things you will listen to are what you put in your library. The second (and this is the one that most commentors have missed) is that you get a lot more than music on the radio. You also get a dozen news channels, sports, a couple of comedy channels, vintage radio shows (like The Shadow and The Saint, for example).

      I'm not saying that satellite radio is for everyone, but oh MAN is it worth it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:15AM (#7784071)
    I have an Alpine CDA-7878 and an Alpine XM unit and a Panasonic Sirius unit, both with Terk antennas. The Alpine unit was connected to the head unit via an AiNet cable and the Sirius unit was connected with an auxiliary RCA adapter available from Alpine (KCA-121B). I had XM since it debuted and Sirius for a few months in the Pacific Northwest.

    The bottom line, for those needing a quick answer, is Sirius is superior in sound quality, features(free streaming from their website!), and channel quality(better music, no commercials, better talk). XM has a few more channels that make very little difference to the end result (read on).

    After careful review of both systems, Sirius came out the winnner, as I have said. The channels are laid out well, lack commercials, sound great, and are streamed on the internet. The only disadvantage of Sirius was its oft-sited lack of Nascar, which they seem to be trying to remedy. Also, XM has an extra comedy channel (it's boring, and features older, censored comedy), and a few more "experimental" music channels which most will find totally useless. Surfing XM for music is often like surfing the regular (terrestrial) radio in a large city-you get nothing but frustration. It's no wonder XM doesn't stream live on the net so that you can try before you buy. Also, XM's channel layout was unfriendly, in my opinion.

    The greatest and most dizzying drawback in comparing the two, however, are the staggeringly stupid and annoying XM commercials. Not necessarily the corporate commercials that come from outside companies (which are annoying in an expected way), but the ridiculous and loud in-house XM stuff that makes you have to turn down your radio really quick when you've had it up loud-especially with the windows open (yes, they are that embarrassing). This, and the better performance of Sirius, was the deciding factor in my cancelling XM.

    XM, however, holds their own and can satisfy a customer with some decent music and a fair selection of Talk. If not for Sirius, I would have kept XM, I think; probably because it IS nice to listen to the same station no matter where you go. Yet, as is the way of competition, Sirius has offered everything good that XM does and DONE IT RIGHT. Sirius outshines in the talk category, with a variety of Right and Left-wing shows, all of the useful talk channels XM has, and NPR, PRI, and a well laid-out channel plan.

    XM does a bit better in the design of their customer care website. Sirius also has a customer care website, but it is not as robust (less detail). However, XM doesn't have streaming audio on its website-apparently we all have to pay XM $6.99 extra in additon to buying another $200 receiver for the house. In addition to the crappy commercials, this is probably where the corporate influence of XM being part-owned by ClearChannel and GM shows. (Clearchannel is responsible for the reason regular radio is so terrible).

    One other interesting tidbit is that I was able to receive both services with an antenna hidden below the rear-deck of my car-made possible probably because it has a large rear-window at a steep angle. Sound quality was the same wherever the antenna was placed-inside or outside-of course. I understand that there was a professional review of XM vs. Sirius and that XM was said to have better sound, but the superiority of Sirius was glaring in my test. I say A-B it at a store with XM, if you can, on the same system. Do a channel comparison, too-I'm sure you'll see that what I've written is the case.

    Good luck, and, for my two cents, I would support Sirius unless XM does an about-face. XM may be cheaper by a few bucks, but trust me: you get what you pay for.

    • Thanks for the info . . . you own a Mac, don't you?
    • Wow, the part about ClearChannel is enough to make me never again think about getting an XM unit. That'd be like buying penicillin from a prostitute.
    • The bottom line, for those needing a quick answer, is Sirius is superior in sound quality, features(free streaming from their website!), and channel quality(better music, no commercials, better talk). XM has a few more channels that make very little difference to the end result (read on).

      I will agree that Sirius has very good sound quality (I've had Sirius for over a year now, myself). But, just to warn any audiophiles in the audience: compression artifacts can occasionally be heard.

      If you enjoy mp

    • http://www.siriusradio.com/servlet/ContentServer? p agename=Sirius/CachedPage&c=Page&cid=1065475754154

      The channel is called Left of Center, free listening for 20 minutes.

      I really don't like how XM is in bed with clearchannel, after the FCC approved News Corps buyout of DirecTV I'm afraid to invest in more technology that will just become consolidated and monopolized again.

      Really now, if XM hits critical mass their ClearChannel masters will just milk it like they do regular FM. Afterall, you've
  • by DarkHelmet ( 120004 ) <.mark. .at. .seventhcycle.net.> on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:16AM (#7784077) Homepage
    In every article I read about satellite radio, the one part that really pushes me back from purchasing one is this:

    Is there censorship???

    That's the one thing that bugs me more than anything else about an AM / FM radio. When I listen to songs, I'm tired of the FCC regulating stations, and butchering songs I would otherwise appreciate into beeps, buzzes, silent space, and otherwise crap FX.

    Maybe I'm the only one, but I couldn't care less about having a radio station that I could bring with me across the country. I'm more concerned about

    a) Having a radio station not play the same thing 20x a day and
    b) Having them NOT butcher the song.

    Of course, I've been to all the places, Best Buy, etc and ask them. They don't know. I don't have any friends with this device.

    So for now, it's a no go. Not until I know that it's uncensored, and always will be that way.

    • by CrowScape ( 659629 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:25AM (#7784128)
      There is no censorship on many stations. I have XM and words like "shit" and "fuck" pop up quite often. Ben Folds was broadcasting a live concert on XM Cafe, he asked "I don't know, can you say "shit" on XM?" He wasn't bleeped, so yes, he could. In fact, you don't even get versions cut down for radio on XM. If the song is 14 minutes and 31 seconds, by God, they will broadcast the whole damn thing!
    • by mgahs ( 686653 ) * on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:26AM (#7784135) Homepage
      Yes and No.

      Yes, some of the channels (especially the re-broadcasts of CNN, Fox, and other actual radio stations) are censored.

      But XM Comedy, Channel 150, is not fucking censored. No fucking way. Fuck Fuck Fuck. You can listen to Richard Pryor describe his love affairs in all it's wonderful detail or listen to Jackie the Joke Man make his sick fucking jokes as much as you want and you'll never hear a bleep.
    • Songs that employ profanity suck almost every single time, anyway. It's almost a convenient signpost, in a way.

      That's just an opinion, of course, but it is one shared by many. It's worth noting that not only do weak musical performers (I refuse to call most musical performers "musicians" because they cannot by any stretch of the imagination be confused with real musicians) but also weak authors include profanity to add drama to their products. It's a juvenile cop-out.

      Except Chris Rock. That mother-fucker
    • When I listen to songs, I'm tired of the FCC regulating stations, and butchering songs I would otherwise appreciate into beeps, buzzes, silent space, and otherwise crap FX.

      Actually, the FCC no longer bans specific words. For all the (bleep)ing bleeping, blame the huge media companies, which are averse to risk-taking. So what people complain about is what gets censored, be it four-letter words or the latest Dixie Chicks song. If you don't like it, you should complain yourself.

    • I can't speak for XM, but Sirius [sirius.com] isn't censored. One example that comes to mind is the track "People = Shit [geocities.com]" by Slipknot (which I heard on Sirius' metal channel). Not that it's a particularly good track ;), but they left it all in there -- "shit", "motherfucker", "fuck" and so on.
    • The Portland Oregon Best Buy near the I205 bridge has both XM and Sierus live in the store. Check your area. One of the stores may have a working system. I guess the pig in a poke syndrone has kept lots of buyers away. Best Buy at least in the Portland area is adressing the issue.

      I saw an earlier article where the biggest demographic for these are long haul truckers. No longer needing to switch stations every 30-45 minutes is a big plus. In town commuters don't have to deal with stations fading out mi
    • Is there censorship???

      I've got Sirius in my vehicle. The answer is that it varies based on the station. "Octane", a popular/alternative/semi-hard-but-not-heavy-metal station (think KROQ), is totally uncensored. And then there are stations like "The Pulse" which is geared more toward pop and softer rock. "The Pulse" censors music to a degree that I find a bit disturbing, I've heard them censor metaphors for drug use that do not actually contain any bad words. They once played a song on this station...
    • There's no FCC mandate for censorship, it really depends on which station you're listening to within the services. So one channel might stick to radio edits while another more adult-aimed format will will play the album cuts.
  • I rarely turn on the 'ole AM/FM radio any more. I have three receivers. One in my car, one at home and one at work. I've been blessed with being near one of XM's terrestrial repeaters so for most of the time needing a line-of-sight to either Rock or Roll (XM's satellites) is not needed. I compared XM and Sirius (although, Sirius was not out at the time when I went with XM) and decided to go with XM in the end. I haven't looked back since then. I know some people will whine, "I'll never pay for radio!" but
    • I know some people will whine, "I'll never pay for radio!" but I've turned so many friends who have said those exact same words to, "This one channel on XM radio is worth ten bucks a month ALONE!" ...

      Unless they have a radio station that through subliminal hypnosis makes me believe that my car is constantly filled with hot, asian, bisexual, big titty women, I'm not paying any amount of money for radio!
  • Subscription sucks (Score:4, Insightful)

    by superpulpsicle ( 533373 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:18AM (#7784082)
    Everything today is dominated subscriptions.

    Every software company has these subscription software developers network.

    Every other game is becoming subscription based. I am glad sims online is failing.

    Every good radio frequency is subscription based.

    Soon public bathrooms will be subscription based. The only thing that needs subscription is magazines.
  • XM uses two geostationary satellites, has commercials, is 9.99 a month.

    Sirius uses three geosynchronous satellites, has no commercials, is 12.99 a month. You can listen via streaming on your PC if you are a subscriber.

    I beleive that Sirius would provide better coverage due to its three satellite system because the angle is much less. No commercials is cool, as is a lifetime subscription option.

    A family member has XM, and it sounds highly compressed. It drove me crazy!
  • Which one runs Linux?
    • XM sells a USB-controlled receiver for $50. It comes with Windows software, but there are MacOS and Linux programs available to control it (a search on Freshmeat will turn them up). I installed mine under Windows and activated the account, moved it to my Mac for a half hour or so to try out the Mac software -- which worked fine -- then moved it to my Linux box which is where I actually use it.
  • I've Had XM (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Ashcrow ( 469400 )
    ... for a while now and I have to say I like it, I have to drive about an hour to and from work and spend at least 2 hours a day driving places (cause of I-4 construction) and XM really makes it fly by. At first I didn't think it would really be worth it, but a reciever came with my car, and it was only 10$ a month so I tried it and can't get enough of Uncensored Comedy, XM Live, Fred, XMLM, and XMU! If you spend anytime listening to the radio it's definatly worth it to avoid the same old FM/AM junk.
  • by colmore ( 56499 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:20AM (#7784095) Journal
    Radio used to be a wonderful local medium. Anywhere in the country you'd here local accents talking about local events advertising local businesses and appealing to local tastes in music. Even well into the era of media conglomerates, radio was still by-and-large a small-scale operation.

    Clearchannel and the whole deregulation mess has pretty well ended that. Aside from a few AM and college stations, radio has about as much identifyable personality as network television. And now proponents of Big Radio can point to the few remaining independents, by and large willfully obscure and pretentious holdouts, as examples of why small radio is no longer relevant.

    Satellite Radio is probably good for a lot of reasons, but it certainly will do nothing to slow the gradual blending of America's cultural palette into one big swath of homogenous gray.

    I've only lived in two places in my life. I'm about to take a two month long cross-country drive. I'm seriously worried that I'm not going to see (or hear) anything unfamiliar.
    • Having done San Fran to Detroit and Detroit to Seattle, I can tell you all the stations will sound the same the whole way through. There might be one slight difference between the stations in one market to another, but otherwise they're carbon copies.

      For example; Seger doesn't do too well on stations outside MI/IL/OH, so you don't hear it played at all. Same to a lesser extent with Ted Nugent and Alice Cooper. Jersey, Pennsylvania and NY overplay Springsteen. Heard more than enough Tom Petty for a lifetime
    • The good news is that when you visit a new area, you can at least set the radio presets in your rental car to be analogous to your favorite stations from home. ;-)
    • by idiotnot ( 302133 ) <sean@757.org> on Monday December 22, 2003 @02:10AM (#7784318) Homepage Journal
      But they're hardly the problem. CC is a clumsy puppy -- well intentioned, but poorly trained. Since the mid-80's on the FM dial, and the early-90's on the AM dial, there hasn't been a whole lot of variety. Every market has a whacky Morning Zoo show on a heavy metal or top 40 station. They play bits created by a syndicator, and pass them off as "something funny we came up with last night." Then you have the AM stations which are either syndicated AM talk, or satelitte religious programming.

      So, what's Clear Channel done? They're trying to make their AM stations like local TV stations. Local news/issues programs during prime time, and well-known network programming other times. For the music stations, it's even easier. They've got vertical integration among the stations, with playlists based on formats. Go ahead, examine the playlists of stations in the same format owned by companies other than Clear Channel. By and large, it's the same music.

      The only real difference between markets is the level of talent and the fit and polish of the delivery. In big markets, you get good jocks and tight production. In small markets, you can hear some pretty awful radio. :-) I'm sitting in a station newsroom right now, at work, so I think I know what I'm talking about here. And no, I don't work for Clear Channel.

      As for XM, I've done three cross-country trips in the past two years via auto. I don't think I'd want to do it without an XM receiver. While there is some good local stuff out there, XM is good quality wherever you happen to be, and it's consistent. Montana is big, and sometimes you can't find a station for a couple of hours. I think the talk programming is better on XM than on Sirius, but that's just personal opinion. If you really dig on NPR, Sirius would probalby be more your cup of tea.
    • by wass ( 72082 )
      I've only lived in two places in my life. I'm about to take a two month long cross-country drive. I'm seriously worried that I'm not going to see (or hear) anything unfamiliar.

      Hi, I did a two month cross-country trip in the summer of 2000, and you can see part of my unfinished journal [jhu.edu]. I guarantee you that you'll pick up tons local flavor just about anywhere you go, not just through radio but through cuisine, live music, scenery, and just talking to locals. Here are some tips, in case you or anybody e

  • I'm just waiting for someone to find a way to hack (yeah, crack, i know) XM radio. I'm sure its possible, probably something like what direct-tv does but i havent had any experience with these devices yet.

    has anyone seen any or had anything experiences regarding this?
    • Re:XM Radio Hacking (Score:2, Informative)

      by McKinney83 ( 687821 )
      saw this in 2600 magazine here's the article http://www.se2600.org/acidus/xm/xm.txt
  • No pay, no way (Score:4, Insightful)

    by fm6 ( 162816 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:24AM (#7784125) Homepage Journal
    Not everyone wants to pay for radio, but I guess if you spend enough time listening to it, maybe it's worthwhile.
    A lot of us pay for NPR, and we don't even get a bill!

    Seriously, though, I'm a little tired of the "why would anybody want to pay for that" attitude around here. It's a service, about the same value as a newspaper subscription, and priced accordingly.

    Why does Slashdot seem to be getting more and more parochial?

    • Ever since one of my favorite channels became yet another ClearChannel R&B/Hip-Hop channel, I've been channel surfing more. At 26 years old, I now listen to my local NPR station more than anything else on the radio. It seems to be the only thing worth listening to.
      • Yes, but is it worth it to become a fuzzy-headed liberal elitist? I mean, that's the only kind of person who listens to NPR, right?
        • Fuzzy-headed liberal elitist? Not really. Then again, it is somewhat nice to have some balance to the right wing controlled corporate media who all seem bent on reporting the same exact story with the exact same slant.

          If nothing else, they play some nice classical music, which sure beats rap any day of the week. I have yet to hear the same piece played twice, though I've only been listening for a couple of months.

          Oh, and yes I said right wing media. The media used to be left wing when they were small
  • I just went out and bought my Father the XM [xmradio.com] Delphi SkyFi [xmradio.com] at Circuit City and the Car Kit (tape adapter (yuck), cigarette plug adapter, and mag mount antenna.

    I'm also going to get him an adapter from Blitz Safe [blitzsafe.com] which gives you a muchhigher quality sound. Basically it plugs into the proprietary CD changer port on the back of the factory radio and has RCA plugs (or a 1/4" phono iirc) on the other end.

    When deciding between XM [xmradio.com] and Sirius [siriusradio.com] I found this page [hometheaterforum.com] to be a good comparison between the two.
  • by pherris ( 314792 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:28AM (#7784150) Homepage Journal
    From the article:
    XM, in fact, already offers the first premium premium channel - a Playboy channel for an additional $3 monthly ...
    Does anyone else here think it just might be a little dangerous for drivers to be listening to porn? What's next: videos on a HUD (heads up display)? It would make for interesting accident reports ("The driver suddenly spun off the road while listen to a letter from a loney housewife and her single female neighbor ...").
    • I've never heard the station myself, but I'm pretty sure "Playboy Radio" is based on the articles. Afterall, there's a limitation in the technology that prevents them from transmitting their pictures...
    • Consider this scenario:

      Driver is wanking.

      Driver gets into wreck.

      Airbag deploys.

      I seem to remember that airbags can cause burn marks. If nothing else, that broken glass has got to be a bitch.
  • by meekjt ( 94667 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:28AM (#7784154) Homepage
    I listen to Sirius everyday at work for about 4-8 hours a day. Now that I have it, I would say that I would have to quit my job if I ever could not listen to it for some reason. I fly aerial surveying missions, and it can get very boring up there with nothing to do. Now I have a way to have entertainment anywhere in the country, even in the middle of the desert at 12000 feet!!

    I have 100 channels to chose from, and have yet to get bored of the 5 or 6 I listen to regularly. I personally think Sirius is much better than XM, mainly for these "streams" as they call them: 2 NPRs, PRI and JamOn. There defiantly is a reason to pay for radio!
  • Huh? (Score:5, Funny)

    by deglr6328 ( 150198 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:32AM (#7784174)
    Am I the only one that did a double take on reading:

    "Neither satellite radio company promises to freeze its current prices or percentage of ads. XM, in fact, already offers the first premium premium channel - a Playboy channel for an additional $3 monthly, the first step toward a future filled with tiered, ever more expensive packages."

    I mean what's ON that station....

    "ooh yeah baby, that's it, uh huh, faster, ohh yeah...**and now a message from Mr. Hefner: Please open your eyes and pay attention to the road while driving, thank you** ...ohhhhh yes that's how I like it mmmmmhm....."
  • After I graduated from school about two years ago, I took most of my graduation gift money and decked out a stereo in my car. (No, you can't hear it 4 miles away, it's conservative, but definitely "full range")

    One of the options I chose to add was XM Radio. I wasn't happy with the way Sirius was panning out (back then they didn't even have coast-to-coast) and XM was $10/mo as opposed to Sirius's $13/mo.

    I got some of the first XM equipment from Pioneer, including a head unit, reciever and antenna. None of
  • by abischof ( 255 ) * <alex@NoSpAm.spamcop.net> on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:38AM (#7784199) Homepage

    I chose to go with Sirius Radio and I've been very pleased with it (I've had it for a bit over a year now). And, in addition to the no-commercials policy on their music stations, one of the major deciding factors for me was ClearChannel's stake in XM [xmradio.com].

    For those not aware, ClearChannel owns over 1200 stations nationwide and they're one of the major proponents of payola [salon.com]. That's right -- artists get on the air simply because their labels paid for their songs to be played.

    I believe that radio play should be based on merit and not deep pockets. And, I don't want to have anything to do with ClearChannel.

    • There's a ClearChannel rock station in Tampa that plays far too fucking much Metallica. They have "Mandatory Metallica" double song sets, and extra doses on "Metallica Monday" in case you haven't killed yourself by jamming a screwdriver into your ears repeatedly.

      Hmmm, Metallica.... they sound familiar... weren't they the band that used to be good, turned to suck, and then became the anti MP3 posterboys? No shit, really?

      Several times they've aired callers requesting old school Metallica to the point that
    • Oh, and all hail mighty triple digit slashdot user ID abischof.

      --lowly four digit slashdot user ID Admiral Llama.
    • "Major investor" doesn't always equate to a controling interest, and in XM's case it certainly doesn't. In their press releases, XM says their "strategic investors include America's leading car, radio and satellite TV companies - General Motors, American Honda Motor Co. Inc., Clear Channel Communications and DIRECTV." Far from owning the company, Clear Channel can't even manage to be first on the list...

      Also, you have to factor in that a number of XM's channels aren't even programmed by XM, but are program
  • by ChangeOnInstall ( 589099 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @01:41AM (#7784219)
    I have an aftermarket Sirius unit in my 2003 Chevrolet Silverado. The variety is absolutely awesome, but in my case the sound quality isn't. The reason for this is that my satellite receiver is connected to my truck's head unit via an FM modulator. The XM receiver integrated into my Mom's Honda Accord sounds dramatically better. If you visit satellite radio fan sites, you'll find that people generally accept the quality of satellite radio if FM modulation is not involved, and are not fond of it otherwise.

    Both the XM and Sirius radio streams are compressed to somewhere in the neighborhood of 64kpbs. They sound far better than what one would normally expect at that bitrate (I'm the type of person who encodes MP3s at 256k-320k). I believe each system uses its own proprietary codecs, and both have the capability to update those codecs over time and continue to work with existing equipment. Anyway, back to the point, it's a highly compressed audio stream. Between the compression and FM modulation, the music takes on a very dull sound. I do not think it is worth buying satellite radio unless you can have it direct input into your head unit.

    I've finally managed to locate a company ("SoundGate") who makes an adapter to connect my Kenwood sat. receiver directly into the back of the truck's head unit (GM makes this a big PITA, by not providing a direct input unless you speak their proprietary protocol). It shows up this week or next, and I can't wait.
  • This was my initial review of the XM radio I had bought about a month ago (It is not really a comparison of XM vs Sirius but my initial experience with XM. I listen to XM few hours every day at work and I feel the cost is worth it if you can listen to it for at least an hour a day. Anything less, it is overpriced).

    I am copying and pasting the content of my initial review of the Roady XM unit that I had posted on a website:

    Great for use at work
    I got Roady from a local store a few days ago and so far I l

  • It's so addictive, the Sirius manual actually refers to its customers as "users."
    The author of the article says this as if no other companies call their customers users... If I'm not mistaken, ISPs have called their customers users (you're given a user name...) for years.
  • They plaied South Park's Dreidel song on the Chrismas channel! I mean, if that isn't cool, what is?!

    It's even better when you are trying to play pictionary while listening to it! :)
  • Not everyone wants to pay for radio, but I guess if you spend enough time listening to it, maybe it's worthwhile.

    For the longest time I thought the same. I began driving recently... Sometimes CDs just get boring (no matter how many you burn xD). Radio at 7am is horrible. There is nothing on besides commercials and Howard Stern (sorry guys, he bores me).

    I see why people are paying for radio now. Had I waited to buy my CD deck I would of gotten an XM tuner instead.
  • by SoupIsGood Food ( 1179 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @03:00AM (#7784460)
    As both of my favorite entertainment acronyms that begin with "N" are on Sirius (namely, NPR and NFL), I'm all about Sirius. My car stereo is due for an update, and Sirius compatibility is topping then list.

    I live in a part of the world where I can't tune in the insanely ecclectic interviews and call-in panels on The Connection, or Click and Clack's "Car Talk." I can burn CD's for music, but not for NPR or NFL game play-by-plays. (I heard the Patriots make their goal-line stand on a staticky, faint AM station. I was honking my horn like a madman.)

    XM has some really corporate news stuff (read: fluff), and some right-wing talk radio masturbation festivals, but Sirius has that =and= NPR. (Liberal-leaning hosts and commentators, usually, but a stringently centrist editorial policy. PRI and Pacifica are public radio left-wingnuts, but NPR makes damn sure all sides of a story are given their say.)

    SoupIsGood Food
  • by xpork ( 734716 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @03:08AM (#7784480)
    i work at bestbuy and i know pretty much about the satellite radios considering i sell them all day.

    Hands down Sirius is the better choice.
    First off Sirius has no ads, XM does.
    Sirius is 12 a month, XM is 10.
    Sirius has 2 satellites, 1 on each coast
    and 1 doing a figure 8 over the the
    middle of america and mexico.
    Sirius has much better satellite service
    than XM considering their better satellite
    placement, and since XM only has 2.
    Also in NYC alone Sirius is better as they
    have ground transmitters to carry the signal
    throughout the whole city, and they broadcast
    from here in NYC.
  • Much better article (Score:5, Informative)

    by Jebediah21 ( 145272 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @03:14AM (#7784495) Homepage Journal
    From one of my old University buddies: Ars Technica: Satellite Radio Review [arstechnica.com]
  • by Lxy ( 80823 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @09:30AM (#7785762) Journal
    I want a free receiver with my paid subscription.

    When XM/Sirius debuted, they were around $300 for a receiver. Pile on top of that the monthly fee, and you have a really expensive way to listen to the radio. Initially most folks didn't want to invest in what could become a paperweight if the service failed.

    Both XM and Sirius now have a cute little portable receiver for under $100. Starting to get tempting. I can bring satellite radio with me everywhere I have an aux in port. Less than $100 and I can listen anywhere? Starting to interest me.

    So Sirius and XM, how can you get me as a customer? Let me pay for one year of service and give me the receiver free. Cell phone companies do it, you should too. I would gladly pay you for a full year of service and a receiver. After a year, if I don't like the service, I don't feel so bad about it.
  • by tacokill ( 531275 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @10:14AM (#7786110)
    This is one of the very reasons I read Slashdot so frequently.

    I am in the market for a sat radio system (I'm in sales) and after reading that XM is partly owned by Clear Channel, welp, that just made my decision VERY easy.

    CC has been *on record* as saying their primary purpose in life is to push ads. They are unapologetic about the fact that they have zero interest in promoting culture or diversity in their "playlists". Not to mention, they are the biggest supporter/supplier of payola, which has already been mentioned.

    In other words, this is a no-brainer for me. I hate Clear Channel and will vote with my $$$ this time.

  • by Just Some Guy ( 3352 ) <kirk+slashdot@strauser.com> on Monday December 22, 2003 @10:32AM (#7786233) Homepage Journal
    This story comes at a great time for me; I've been trying to decide which service to buy. I really don't like XM's ClearChannel leanings - you can get that junk for free in any city in the US. However, Sirius' brochures are a little too anti-mainstream. My main question to Sirius owners is this: do the music channels play some familiar artists, but with more variety and depth in the playlists, or do you hear a lot of obscure stuff that's strange for the sake of being strange?
  • by dschuetz ( 10924 ) <davidNO@SPAMdasnet.org> on Monday December 22, 2003 @10:44AM (#7786318)
    One thing that's still keeping me from taking the XM plunge is the lack of decent in-dash receivers. Sure, there are plenty of receivers that are "XM Ready" (though they all seem to require an additional $200+ receiver module that I'll have to attach somewhere else in the car). But most of them have only 8- or 16-character displays.

    I mean, most cars these days (or so it seems -- all of our last cars at least) have large receiver openings (double-size or so). There's PLENTY of space for a CD / XM receiver with a nice, multi-line display and decent controls. But even the double-DIN receivers from Pioneer still only have 8-character displays. It's crazy.

    And I don't even get me started on how most radios these days are just an ugly mess of widgets and doodads with very little thought to function or quality. The best-looking, most functional, radios out there all seem to be original factory radios. And they simply don't have the MP3 / Satellite features.

    What I want, basically, is the nice Delphi XM receiver integrated in a double-DIN CD receiver, with aux inputs for my MP3 player, a half-dozen preset buttons, a volume knob, and a tuning / navigation / feature knob. Is that too much to ask? (and, no, I don't want to stick the Delphi receiver somewhere else on my dash -- with my Palm/GPS combo, I've already got more velcro then I'd really like.)
  • My Sirius Experience (Score:3, Interesting)

    by C. Alan ( 623148 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @10:57AM (#7786416)
    I have a Kenwood Here2Anywhere reciever, with a home reciever cradle in my living room, and a reciever cradle in both of my vehicles. One think I must say is that the stock setup for the vehicles SUCK! They come with a tape deck adapter, and my unit bearly puts out enough power to the tape deck that you have to turn the volume all the way up to hear the audio. In my other vehicle, I didn't have a tape deck, so I bought a $45 FM modulator that you have splice into the antenna. This systme works much better, and sound quality is excelent. If you are thinking of purchasing any of the protable units, make sure you have an auxilary audio-in on your car sterio system. If not, don't use the dinky tape deck setup, spring for a FM modulator. The Kenwood FM modulator I purchased uses RCA cables for the audio in. So if you mount an RCA plug set up on your dash, you could use it for not only your satilite system, but you could plug in a CD player, or any other audio device that has an RCA out.
  • My Sirius experience (Score:5, Interesting)

    by NitroWolf ( 72977 ) on Monday December 22, 2003 @11:43AM (#7786749)
    I had been looking at Satellite radio for awhile, but always concluded that I did not want to pay $10 - $13 a month for the service... So I never bothered to purchase the equipment.

    While cruising one of my daily sites, someone had posted a message that Sears had a Sirius radio package deal... everything you need to get Sirius up and running for $50. I figured, for that price, I couldn't lose.

    It tooks 2 months, and Sears finally cancled my order because they realized that the demand for the box set had exceeded the order. I was pissed off. Not because they misjudged the amount of orders that would come in... That's somewhat understandable. I would have let the subject drop right there if that was the problem. But no.. they had CHARGED my card two months ago, and I was thus paying interest (actually, it was a debit card, but Sears didn't know that) for two months on a product I didn't have. That's what really ticked me off... they took my money, used it for 2 months, and then said "oh... sorry, here's your money back, and we won't pay you interest." I wasn't about to stand for that.

    I stomped down to my local Sears and bitched up a storm. They finally agreed to cobble together a similar Sirius system and give it to me for the $50 price.

    The next day, I installed the system, via the FM modulator and got it hooked up. It was pretty easy to install myself. I had never installed any radio equipment in a vehicle before. Learned quite a bit, actually. Anyway, it fired right up and sounded a lot better than I was expecting considering it was via FM modulator. In fact, it sounded just like my stock head unit.

    I'm not a big fan of stock head units, but I have not replaced my current head unit in my vehicle, even though I've had it 3.5 years. Boy... am I glad I waited.

    I'm going to be getting a Sirius head unit, so I can plug directly into it. I love the Sirius, and I won't ever be going back to "regular" FM radio again. I will happily pay the $13/mo that I was reluctant to pay after actually using the system. The lack of commercials is so liberating. It's so frigging nice to turn on the radio, and listen without hearing all the bullshit I hear on FM stations. I have about 6 channels I listen to regularly, and I can usually find someone on one of the 6 that I like at any given time. There are a few occasions when all six channels suck, and I will jump around and experiment with other stations.

    There are a few nitpicks that I have, though.

    First, the fact that Kenwood Sirius tuners are not compatible with Panasonic Sirius tuners is ridiculous. They are both Sirius tuners, they should be compatible with any Sirius head unit. The upside of this is, the Kenwood Sirius tuner is $150, and is what I currently have. The Panasonic tuner is $50. Why is that important? Because all but the most expensive ($500) Kenwood Head Units suck. Really bad. Their LCD displays are like 10 Character, vintage 1990's displays. On the other hand, the Panasonic head unit (983 I think?) has a nice Active Matrix display for $200. That's the head unit I'm going to be buying here after Christmas... but I'm going to have to plunk down an additional $50 for the Panasonic Sirius tuner... which kind of irks me.

    The other nitpick I have, which may or may not go away with the new head unit is the fact that channel surfing is exceptionally difficult. It's hard to find the stations you might want to listen to, and skip over the junk you know for sure you don't want to listen to. Currently, on the FM modulator, there's only 6 preset buttons, with 4 different positions. So you can have a total of 24 presets. However, getting to the 2, 3 and 4th position pre-sets is a pain in the ass. So I pretty much stick with the first 6 pre-sets.

    Couple the fact that the FM modulator is a Kenwood unit, with it's 10 character display, and it's impossible to have the information you want on the screen up at any given time. You are limited to a portion of the song title, OR

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