Slashdot is powered by your submissions, so send in your scoop

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×
Media

Disney's Disposable DVDs Deemed Duds 527

An anonymous reader writes "It looks like disposable DVD's are headed the way of the dodo bird. Consumers (ahem, customers) in several markets are rejecting the $7 self destructing flexplay discs. Some stores have decided to stop selling. According to the stores, 'Customers aren't interested in paying more than $6 for a limited-play DVD when they can pay $2 at the video store. Even with a $2 late fee, it's cheaper than buying a disposable DVD.' and 'he hasn't seen one customer purchase an EZ-D, though some of them have been shoplifted out of the store.'"
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

Disney's Disposable DVDs Deemed Duds

Comments Filter:
  • Good. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by AgTiger ( 458268 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:00PM (#8135869) Homepage
    After the DivX fiasco (the DVD-esque player, not the codec) and now this, maybe they'll start to listen. Customers want to buy and own their products, not rent or license them.

    • Re:Good. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Neop2Lemus ( 683727 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:04PM (#8135928) Journal
      Or we want to rent them at at reasonable price. $6.00 is still too much to pay to rent but since its' still signifigantly cheaper than buying the film, and theres' no cheaper alternative, people pay it.

      When you push for $7.00, and there is a cheaper alternative (i.e. renting as above), it shouldn't be any wonder that the product failed. Of course, I'm saying this in hindsight, but, had I know the price they were asking, I'd have predicted its failure anyways (BTW, I'm just a student, not a professional, I'm speaking as a consumer).

      As an enviromentalist, I'm pleased.

      • by *weasel ( 174362 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @01:27PM (#8137028)
        At $4 they'd still be more expensive than renting from Blockbuster, but in-line with what people are willing to pay for the no-late-fees-ever rental experience through PPV. They'd have had a shot.

        at more than double the 'renting from a store' rate they were guaranteeing failure.

        It isn't hindsight whatsoever, it's price-sight. If they'd said '$7' when they were talking about the tech everyone would've told them it would bomb. But they kept saying 'for a little more than the price to rent a movie from blockbuster'. which made everyone assume $3-4.

        $7 is certainly not 'a little more' than $3.

        Perhaps the rental chains squeezed them to stratify the pricing intentionally, i don't know (Blockbuster may have appreciable pressure now that Disney isn't the only kids-content creator in the game).
        I just know that at $7, they shouldn't have even bothered.
        • I'm sorry, but even saying "just a little more than the price to rent ... " they were still destined to fail.

          Consumers know when they rent something that it has to go back - they don't own it. They're accustomed to this paradigm.

          When they buy something, they own it. They get to use it however they like, and they're not looking to get something that breaks after 2 days.

          They're also accustomed to this paradigm.

          So when you suggest that they could pay for something that self-destructs in 2 days (or 10, fer
    • Re:Good. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:06PM (#8135956)
      Blockbuster, Netflix, and cable Pay-per-view offerings are still standing, so rental content isn't exactly dead. Both this and Divx didn't fail because of their self-destruct element as much as the fact they were priced higher than the already existing systems...
      • Re:Good. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Waffle Iron ( 339739 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:44PM (#8136451)
        Both this and Divx didn't fail because of their self-destruct element as much as the fact they were priced higher than the already existing systems...

        I think that there's also a big psychological element to the issue. If someone's going to rent something at home, it needs to be totally intangible, like a pay-per-view movie on cable or a rented tape. It comes and goes, and leaves nothing behind.

        If you "rent" them something -- even at the exact same price -- and it involves a physical object that "self destructs", people are going to feel ripped off. No matter what, part of you feels that you paid for the physical medium, not just the content, and having to throw it in the trash bin just feels wrong.

        It doesn't matter that returning a movie might add significant cost to a movie rental in terms of time and vehicle costs, or that throwing away a thin plastic disc is probably less wasteful than burning an extra half gallon of gas driving to return a rental. Right or wrong, people just don't think like that.

    • Re:Good. (Score:5, Informative)

      by Squonk01 ( 635994 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:06PM (#8135958)
      For those who missed the DivX fiasco [the-doa.com] the first time.
    • Re:Good. (Score:2, Informative)

      by tackaberry ( 694121 ) *

      Agreed, DIVX [the-doa.com], Circuit City's ill conceived, crappy limited-play DVD format - that offered inexpensive DVDs that could be watched for 48 hours from the initial viewing. There after you could pay to watch it again, or buy lifetime on the disk. However, even it you had lifetime on your disk it was tied to your player, so a friend with a DIVX player would have to pay to watch your disk.

      What I really hate about Disney DVD's is how they force sub-titles on so you have to read the crappy songs, well that and th

      • Re:Good. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Malc ( 1751 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:14PM (#8136067)
        And how long it takes them to start. I don't want ads for other films on a DVD I've bought. They put so much crap on their discs. They have no customer respect.
        • Re:Good. (Score:3, Interesting)

          by FatAlb3rt ( 533682 )
          This is something I've thought about, but never did much research into it...are there certain companies that tend to put the non-skippable ads at the beginning? Or do I just not know of a way to by-pass them? Fwd and Menu don't seem to work, and it only serves to piss me off.

          If I knew which companies were guilty, I would go out of my way NOT to buy any of those movies.

          • Re:Good. (Score:3, Informative)

            by jeffkjo1 ( 663413 )
            It depends on your DVD player if you can skip them or not. You aren't supposed to be able to, but certain players ignore parts of the DVD Standard.

            Software players are the best at skipping non-skippable content. In Windows I use PowerDVD and it will skip over the FBI warnings, Previews, and damn near anything except menus.

            In Linux I use Xine, and it will skip over EVERYTHING. I can fastforward through animated menus if I want to.
    • Re:Good. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by garcia ( 6573 ) * on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:10PM (#8136018)
      strangely enough I do want to rent DVDs just not from video stores with no competition...

      When I first moved here the nearest Blockbuster was right down the street (less than 2 miles). DVDs were 3.99 to rent. Long lines on Friday/Saturdays (20 minute wait was my longest) and the prices were crazy. I didn't really have a choice as it seemed that everything in the immediate area was Blockbuster.

      Along comes Hollywood Video. 2.99 rentals with $1.00 back if you return it by midnight the next night (being that it is right across from BB they also dropped to 2.99 but no cash back).

      I have absolutely no need for long rental times so this $1.00 is a gift from god. Not all their movies are set up this way (obviously) but I have always found 1 or 2 that I wanted to watch from this group.

      I do want to rent. I certainly don't need an extensive DVD movie collection that I have to store, sort, and maintain. Paying $1.99 is fine for me for most movies. I'll wait till they come out at Target for $10 if they are really worth purchasing.
      • Re:Good. (Score:3, Interesting)

        by hummassa ( 157160 )
        my video-club beats all of this. I pay U$ 7/mo; I can have 5 dvds with me at all times, the only restrictions being: only one new disc at a time, for 2 (work)days or pay U$ .50 per disc per day fine; the other (non-new) 4 discs, i can keep them up to 9 work days (yes, almost two weeks). How about that? It's simple, we have 300 associated people and we always have the good titles. And it's a democracy. nice, uh?
      • Re:Good. (Score:3, Interesting)

        by pla ( 258480 )
        Paying $1.99 is fine for me for most movies.

        If you have Movie Gallery stores in your area, they let you rent overnight on Wednesdays for a buck. This counts as a "normal" rental, so it still gives you points toward free rental coupons. Their normal bulk renting deals apply as well, so you can literally rent five non-new releases for three bucks on Wednesdays, and each month (I think it takes 12 points...), you get a coupon for a freebie.

        If you have Blockbusters (who doesn't?), and still use a land-lin
    • Re:Good. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by adrianbaugh ( 696007 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:12PM (#8136048) Homepage Journal
      Agreed. The only thing issuing limited-life DVDs will accomplish is it will make the general public much more familiar with DVD ripping tools. If someone buys a DVD and it'll only play once then it's not going to take long for them to decide that that single play is going straight to DVD:Rip or the hard disk so that it can be watched repeatedly.

      Of course, that's only if titles are only released in such a format: if there's a choice, consumers will just ignore the self-destructing option.

      New Line got it right with the Special Edition LoTR DVDs. They're lovely products, well packaged with high quality extras (and don't self-destruct ;-)).
      People will happily pay for something like that: they will be far less happy at movie companies that treat them like scum who can't be trusted with the content they're so graciously permitted to view.
      • The new anti-piracy measure on TTT extra features disks render them unreadable in some players. My parents have a player that refuses to play them. They will have to buy a new player to watch them or spend even more to have their old player "fixed".
  • duh (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jester42 ( 623276 ) * on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:00PM (#8135872)
    That's an easy one for any marketing genius. Just raise (ahem adjust) the prices for rental videos and people will be happy to buy those.
    • Re:duh (Score:5, Interesting)

      by leerpm ( 570963 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:19PM (#8136140)
      Without collusion among all of the various video rental retailers to raise prices(which is illegal), this would not work. And the distributors are not going to raise prices. That would just mean the independent films will be cheaper, so people would stop renting movies that only succeed because of the marketing behind them.
  • by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:00PM (#8135882)
    The cause of death on this idea seems rather simple to find... going rate for a movie that you get to watch once/twice then give back is $3-$4, and this came in at more than $6. Between this project and MovieBeam, Disney seems to be testing out every form of rental content distribution possible, but it seems like there's no such thing as one that works any better than the models that already exist. The Circuit City-backed Divx project should have been the first clue...
    • and most importantly... the option of late fees.

      if you rent a three day movie and never get around to seeing it, you can either a) return it or b) voluntarily eat the late fee and watch it.

      with disposable dvd's you don't get this option....

      • by Cramer ( 69040 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:25PM (#8136226) Homepage
        They don't begin to selfdestruct until AFTER you open the package.

        The solution is simple... get yourself an old (but still functional) lab quarantine box, put the DVD player in there with the unopened disc, fill with argon (available at any welding supply shop) and watch forever. Just be sure to seal the disc in an argon filled zip-top bag before opening the box to change discs. (Oxygen is what destroys the disc.)

        Personally, I give it a few weeks in hacker hands before someone figures out how to kill the reaction.
        • Personally, I give it a few weeks in hacker hands before someone figures out how to kill the reaction.

          Step 1.) Open DVDDecrypter, rip to .iso on hard disk.
          Step 2.) Mount as virual generic DVD-Rom with DaemonTools
          Step 3.) Open InstantCopy, transcode DVD, burn to disc.

          Yep.
  • by skutters ( 747029 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:01PM (#8135885)
    I feel sorry for the shoplifters, they probably thought they were proper DVDs not coffee mats!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:01PM (#8135887)
    flexpay ;-)
  • Lack of respect (Score:5, Insightful)

    by addie ( 470476 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:01PM (#8135888)
    I'm glad. This kind of product simply shows a lack of respect for the consumer. Large corporations should all be putting the money into gaining consumer trust, rather than limiting consumer freedom.
    • Re:Lack of respect (Score:2, Insightful)

      by LupusUF ( 512364 )
      While I agree that it was an idea that was badly handled (and over priced), how in the world does it show a lack of respect for the consumer? They are giving people another way of watching movies. Does blockbuster show a lack of respect by only letting you rent? Some people here have the mindset that anything you pay money for you should own...but rentals are a viable way to do business. You can charge a lower price, and the consumer can get the product for a limited amount of time. There are many movi
    • Re:Lack of respect (Score:3, Insightful)

      by deitel99 ( 533532 )
      I'm glad. This kind of product simply shows a lack of respect for the consumer. Large corporations should all be putting the money into gaining consumer trust, rather than limiting consumer freedom.

      I don't understand how making DVDs which deliberately fail is "limiting their freedom" any more than normal. Under the normal rental system you borrow a DVD for a day or two, and can watch it as many times as you want. At the end of this time you have to return it to the store. Surely this places a greater l
    • Re:Lack of respect (Score:3, Insightful)

      by jdreed1024 ( 443938 )
      Or they should put money into making a better product. Something that would be great would be more scratch-resistant DVD. Or perhaps a thin layer of clear film that can be applied to the bottom of the DVD, but doesn't interfere with viewing. (Much like a screen protector on a PDA).

      My one problem with DVDs is that when you rent them, they're usually scratched, because other customers are stupid, or let their kids chew on them, or something. Twice I've had to take them back and get the VHS version so I

  • by corebreech ( 469871 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:01PM (#8135889) Journal
    If the MPAA were to combat shoplifting in the same way they combat file-trading, they would demand that consumers (ahem, customers) be made to wear lead helmets that would prevent them from being able to watch or listen to a movie unless they first invoked a key obtained when purchasing one of their products. Only then would you be able to remove this helmet, and then only for as long as they were watching that movie.
    • The two issues are quite distinct. Almost everyone I know considers shoplifting a bad thing and would never do it. At the same time however, these same people have no problems downloading the latest movie or hit song of P2P services.

      I'm not going to get into the whole "is it stealing if you don't have a physical copy" bullshit argument, because it can't be one. The plain and simple fact is that in both cases, someone is not getting paid for their work.

      It's really the case of a society dealing with the
    • Sounds like a precursor to this [ibiblio.org].
  • by eaddict ( 148006 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:01PM (#8135892)
    It was a horrible idea from the beginning. If they were a buck then it might work but as long as titans like Wal-Mart keep DVDs cheap to buy, and Blockbuster keeps them cheap to rent they won't sell. Even my kiddos questions why we would want to buy something that we would just have to throw away! In our (U.S.) society of lazyness I am glad to see the environment won a round even though it was through a left hook (ie price NOT recyclability).
  • Good (Score:2, Insightful)

    by grub ( 11606 )

    Excellent news. This was just another attempt at impulse marketing by a faceless megacorp. "Hmm.. 'National Enquirer'.. 'Weekly World News'.. oh, 'Peter Pan!'" Now somewhere at Disney someone is getting thumbscrewed over "bad market studies" that suggested this would work.

    You can only package shit so many ways before people smarten up and quit buying it.
  • by real_smiff ( 611054 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:03PM (#8135919)
    i thought self-destructing discs were supposed to be cheaper than normal rentals because you wouldn't need the return/inventory system. were they more expensive to make, or were they just out of their minds?
    • I don't think EZ-DVD's are any more expensive to produce. But keep in mind that if such a format took off, there would be a massive amount of waste generated. I believe that in anticipation of this, part of the "cost" of each DVD is the built-in cost of recycling. But I agree, until this format costs $2 per disc, I'm not going to be very interested...
    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:15PM (#8136082)
      i thought self-destructing discs were supposed to be cheaper than normal rentals because you wouldn't need the return/inventory system. were they more expensive to make, or were they just out of their minds?

      Good old corporate greed. I just buy previewed DVDs from the local video store for $5-$10. They look just as good as the new ones unless someone scratched it in which case the store will take it back and replace it with another if they have one. I've bought 50 new and used DVDs over the past couple of years compared to 1 used CD I bought because I was on vacation and had nothing to listen to in a rental car. Take that RIAA. $18 for 45 minutes of music my ass..

    • by mcwop ( 31034 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:22PM (#8136178) Homepage
      Heck for $7-8 more (assuming it is on sale) you can buy the DVD outright and keep it forever. New, and not on sale, DVD's run around $20-25, which is cheaper than dragging a family of four to the movies. $7 for self destruction is indeed crap.
    • by dreadlocks ( 637491 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:36PM (#8136348)
      they probably got their info from some marketing guy who figured that there was a huge untapped market for people who drive Hummers. If they never had to make the trip back to the rental store, they would save $4 in gas for the roundtrip, so they'd come out ahead!!

      yea that worked out well didn't it.
  • by LupusUF ( 512364 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:04PM (#8135930)
    I am not sure what the eco nuts were so upset about. There is a recycling plan (according to the article) and even gave people a free disk if they sent in 6 disks. Though, I understand why stores are not selling very many...while the story is an exageration (what rental places rents for 2 bucks a DVD), these disks are a lot more expensive than renting.
    • They were so nuts because even with a decent recycling plan it's tough to get people to recycle. Imagine if these things had cought on at a decent price point (people are saying sub-$6, but I wouldn't go over $2 personally). How many people return their bottles for the $.05 refund now?
  • by Anonymous Coward
    They shouldn't be more than 50% above regular rentals if even that much. So, if normal rentals are $2, they should be at most $3. Anyway, most people that want late fees will probably just use a service like Netflix.
  • Useless (Score:3, Insightful)

    by TheSpoom ( 715771 ) * <slashdot@ubermAA ... inus threevowels> on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:06PM (#8135959) Homepage Journal
    Why would users want to pay more than three times as much for something with no actual increase in quality?

    Hell, I was initially thinking that I could just copy these things with my DVDR before they turn black, but I can do that with rentals as well! There are some ideas I will never understand.
  • No Crap (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Doesn't_Comment_Code ( 692510 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:06PM (#8135962)
    One more "It's our property, and we don't trust you, the consumer, with it." from the big organizations has met consumers who are dissatisfied with their garbage and unwilling to pay for it.

    Great!

    And I hope the next time they try this it fails just as hard as this venture did. And eventually some executive will say, "Hey, wait a minute. Maybe it's not worth alienating all our customers to squeeze an extra million out of our already 100 billion dollar profits."

    Of course that executive will be ignored, and possibly fired for lack of vision. But it's a start.
    • Re:No Crap (Score:3, Insightful)

      by LupusUF ( 512364 )
      So if you were the big time exec how would you handle letting people rent movies without having to return them in a way that "trusts" consumers. Give them a fully functioning DVD for $7.00 and ask that they please not watch the movie again unless they pay more?

      Sometimes I wonder if some of the posters here really believe what they are saying, or if people just know that if you type "customer freedom" mods will give you karma. This is not about the big bad company limiting your freedom. They are giving y
      • by rbird76 ( 688731 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @01:00PM (#8136682)
        if I were an exec, it seems fairly reasonable what to do...

        1) Don't screw your customers. Yes, everyone wants something for nothing, but not very many of them will take it unless you manage to anger them. How do you ager them? Jacking product prices up for worse product is a prety good stsrt. Trying to take their copyright protections (fair use, etc.) without compensation and advertising the crippled products as containing extra "features" is another. People have told the companies that do this that they don't want it (copy-"protected" CDs, DivX, etc.) - if you ignore it, they will get angry, and won't be your customers anymore.

        2) Given that you haven't angered your customers, give them enough to be happy. Returnable rentals, nonreturnable rentals for a little bit more, or purchasable DVDs with as little restriction as possible are probably good (since they seem to be what your customers want).

        Trust isn't an issue here unless you anger your customers or try to screw them, at which point they will return the favor. Trust becomes an issue for content providers only when they've screwed their customers - once they've done that, the customers don't feel any need to behave as if they were trusted (because they know they're not) and behave accordingly. There are always people who will take you product by physically stealing it or by copying it, and this segment won't go away - but it requires effort and overcoming conscience and so most people don't do it. Once you anger your customers, anything goes, and for many, anger provides enough motivation to take the time to screw you.

        Nonreturnable rental is a choice for customers, but it restricts users activity significantly AND costs significantly more than rental. It isn't real suprising, then, that this is an unpopular choice. Combined with previous attempts to sell a "licensed" product where the user pays full price to buy the product but loses control over its use, it's understandable why people mistrust this method of sale.
    • Re:No Crap (Score:4, Funny)

      by Red Alastor ( 742410 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:29PM (#8136281)
      Then another "visionary" will say "let's apply it to software !".

      Imagine the customer : "Damn! I can't save, I burned the menu the last time I used it !"

      But seriously, I'd really not be surprise if Bill G. was thinking about using this technique. Software that only install once, after the CD is worthless.

  • Netflix (Score:5, Informative)

    by TheWickedKingJeremy ( 578077 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:07PM (#8135972) Homepage
    First off, what video store costs only $2?! Its more like $4-5 here in Boston.

    And second, I don't see how any of these models (rental, disposable for $6, etc) can compete with Netflix, other than if you happen to need the movie right away (and how often is that the case?) Right now I average about 12 movies per month on Netflix, all for $20! And the foreign and independent selections is *far* better than at local video stores.

    Ok, I'm a fanboy...
    • Re:Netflix (Score:4, Informative)

      by jdreed1024 ( 443938 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:18PM (#8136130)
      First off, what video store costs only $2?! Its more like $4-5 here in Boston

      Local video stores. I live in Boston, and at my local video store, I pay $2 each for 5-day rentals if I rent on M-Th. And they have a huge selection, too - I often end up going there because Blockbuster doesn't have what I want.

    • Re:Netflix (Score:5, Informative)

      by Deagol ( 323173 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:38PM (#8136377) Homepage
      Ditto the fanboy comment. I'm currently on the 8-DVD/month plan (~$42/month, includes taxes), to get my wife and I through the slow winter months.

      It's awesome. We live in small rural town, and though I like to support local businesses, the 2 local video rental places suck. The first, a grocery store, has decent prices ($1 for old flicks, $2.50 for new releases, for 2 days), but nearly all of their movies are full-screen (eeewwww!), and their selection is pretty limited. The other store, charges $2-to-$4 for one day (!!!), though their selection is fairly eclectic.

      Netflix beats them, hands down. The turn-around is pretty quick, so I can get movies in 2-to-3 days delivered, plus another 2-to-3 days to return. In batch mode, I can cycle through about 4 lots of 8 DVDs in a month ($42/32=$1.31 -- not bad per rental, eh?). Sending movies back at the rate I can watch them is roughly 1 movie per day, about the same prie per disc. When we get into "marathon mode" we can crank up the rate even more.

      I always have a few TV series DVDs on-hand and a few movies for both my wife and and the kids. Right now we're cycling through the X-Files (just finished Season 2, DVD 7) and Battlestar Galactica (my kids -- 5 & 8 -- love this show).

      The mix of available movies and genres is awesome. The kids enjoy anime (they have Castle in the Sky, right now), and my wife and I have gone on a foreign film binge: watched Open Your Eyes (the Spanish original to the US's Vanilla Sky) 2 days ago, watched the German film The Winter Sleepers last night, and will watch the French film Venus Beauty Institue tonight.

      My only gripe is the sometimes-long wait for certain movies. I've been waiting for Disc 4 of the Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 series for months, and it looks like it's a long wait for the first season of Sex In the City and the new DVD release of Underworld. Also, the rate of shipping slowed down between Thanksgiving and New Year's, I assume due to the backlog of the US Postal service dealing with gifts and holiday deliveries.

      But overall, the experience has been very worth-while. I encourage anyone to check it out.

  • by Puls4r ( 724907 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:07PM (#8135978)
    Disposable DVD: $7 Matinee with Friends: $5.25 Renting the Same Movie: $2 Realizing your stock will soon be valued below the cost of one of your disposable DVD's: Priceless.
  • by rjelks ( 635588 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:08PM (#8135984) Homepage
    Now if we could just convince AOL to stop producing those throw-away CD's. There must be a large landfill somewhere with stacks and stacks of AOL (1000 hours of free access) CD's laying around. I'd rather pay a few bucks for some kind of video on demand service over the internet or cable. I'm not sure why anyone would want to buy a disposable movie.

    -
  • Considering that the local Blockbuster charges a whopping $5.99 for a dvd rental, I hardly rent movies anymore.

    Funny thing is, the Blockbuster near my girlfriend's house (10 minutes away, same type of neighborhood, economically), is $2.00 cheaper!

    Insane!
  • Let's see. I can rent a disc for $X, or I can watch a disc once for $X+C. HMMM.... What business genius decided that this was a good plan? It's cool that they can make destructible DVD's for us Mission Impossible types, but that's about the only legitimate application.
  • Commercials (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Chagatai ( 524580 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:09PM (#8136003) Homepage
    I always got a chuckle whenever I saw a Disney commercial advertising a particular movie on VHS or DVD, where they would swear that this was the absolute last time you could possibly buy a copy of the film. "Buy your limited silver-plated collector's edition 2000 version copy of Cinderella now, before it goes back in the Disney vault forever! We mean it! It won't be coming back in two years as a special gold-lithographed edition, we swear it!" It makes me wonder how they could advertise these self-destructing DVDs...

    "Get your limited copy of Beauty and the Beast now! And we do mean limited! This film will expire in two weeks and after that you will have to wait until we rehash this film and sell it again in another two months! Don't even think of renting a copy from Blockbuster, because we own them, too! This film will only last in your memories!"

    Seriously, though, here's the amazing truth: people like buying crap that doesn't break. Imagine if your copy of Detective Comics #27 spontaneously combusted after 60 years of age. Who would want to collect and read that?

  • by squarefish ( 561836 ) * on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:12PM (#8136041)
    I thought they were a little over priced, but did buy one in october right before heading to the airport to fly back to chicago. I bought Frida and it was a great movie to watch on the plane and when I got home gave it to a neighbor to watch before it died. I wasn't going to return it.

    they should sell these things in airports and the $7 wouldn't seem like a big deal at all. I also like some of the test marketing things they were doing down there that allowed pizza and other delivery services provide a dvd with your delivered meal- no worry about a return and it comes to you on demand. I didn't really appreciate the idea of the extra waste factor, but face it- we live in an extremely disposable world and I doubt one product would make a difference.

    overall, I like the convenience the one time I tried it and found it to useful and assumed that once they were mass marketed the prices would become more reasonable.
  • by Asprin ( 545477 ) <(gsarnold) (at) (yahoo.com)> on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:13PM (#8136060) Homepage Journal

    I love it when stupid crap like this fails in such a humiliatingly fatalistic fashion. It makes me think maybe we aren't turning into a nation of sissies after all. Since when did renting a movie and returning it to the video store become such a traumatic experience?

    They'd probably do well if they were 99 cents instead of $7.
  • by dnoyeb ( 547705 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:14PM (#8136064) Homepage Journal
    Wasn't it just a few years ago some cleaning product advertised "Just use and throw away." And got roasted over the poor attitude concerning the environment?

    The "use and throw away" campaign is flawed. I don't think people want the so called convenience of disposeability. They just want convenience.

    Its totally opposite the way of most major industries today. Which is only that way because of the pressure of customers.
  • by fruey ( 563914 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:16PM (#8136093) Homepage Journal
    Threads on Slashdot about this predicted this. I cannot believe this experiment was even carried out. Other posts have already said that better than me.

    Whoever led this experiment and set a price of $7 ought to get sacked. Children love to watch Disney films over and over again, and Disney should know that. This whole fiasco suggests they didn't.

    The only disposable things that would work for Disney are nappies (diapers).

  • by Saeed al-Sahaf ( 665390 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:16PM (#8136105) Homepage
    Manny who bitch-gripe about the cost of a CD or renting a DVD are the same people who don't think twice about plunking down $2.50 - $3.50 for a cup of fancy coffee.
  • by pubjames ( 468013 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:18PM (#8136126)
    Today, the Association of American Publishers announced a revolution in book publishing. A spokeman said "The book sector has been suffering for years from consumers abusing our products. Some of them read their books more than once. Many lend out books indiscriminately, sell them or even give them away for free to charity. This type of criminal behaviour must be stopped."

    "Fortunately, we have come up with a solution. Our publishers will start to offer books which have been written in special ink sealed and are sold in vaccuum packs. Upon exposure to air, the ink gradually fades over the period of one week. We envisage law abiding consumers will love this new format, especially when they realise it is no more expensive than the old, inferior format."
  • by dcavanaugh ( 248349 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:18PM (#8136133) Homepage
    The fact that the disposable DVD was priced higher than conventional rental makes it a tough sell. Once again, the theory that consumers will pay a steep premium for minor convenience is proven wrong. Besides, I suspect the lack of a return means less foot traffic in the video store, and probably lower sales overall.

    I wonder if it might have worked in a mail-order scenario. Getting rid of the turn process would be a big plus for companies like NetFlix. Any increase in the cost of media would be offset by a 50% reduction in the cost of postage.
  • eBay (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Nom du Keyboard ( 633989 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:25PM (#8136224)
    I wonder if any of these DVD's have shown up on eBay yet?

    Before you only mod me funny (or worse), consider the importance of this issue as regards the new DRM protected CD's that have you register your disc in order to play it a limited number of times. Since there is no indicator on the CD itself showing how many plays it has accumulated, it this becomes common it will do much to destroy the secondhand/used CD market.

    Not that the record companies will mind.

  • acrylic graveyards (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:28PM (#8136268) Homepage Journal
    The next Hollywood playa to repeat the disposable disc fiasco should have to eat the acrylic refuse from DDVD and DivX that's stockpiled in landfills across the country. The rest of us are paying, in taxes and poisoned environment, for their costly mistakes. The next test for this kind of scheme must include a realistic recycling program, to ensure the acrylic makes it back into the petrochemical foodchain within the year, not in the next geological age.
  • Other options (Score:3, Interesting)

    by TechnoWeeniePas ( 411708 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:37PM (#8136366)
    I personaly prefer the other options...my methods are as follows:

    1) Wait a 6-12 months...buy it for $10 on discount DVD and own it forever
    2) Wait 18 months and buy it for $5.50 on Wal-Marts elcheapo DVD wall...and own it forever
    3) If you REALLY must see it right away and dont want to own it for some silly reason just get it on pay-per-view ($4 here)...then you can usualy see it before it even hits DVD!
  • Flexplay DOA (Score:4, Interesting)

    by HangingChad ( 677530 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:37PM (#8136368) Homepage
    Sounds like a rap group, doesn't it? Yo, yo, yo.

    Seriously, as long as media companies, and I'm including music, try to avoid seeing their product as a commodity, they're going to keep coming up with brain dead ideas like this one. MS is barely getting away with it, what chance did Disney think they had?

    If you jack people around on any commodity long enough and boost the price on them, they'll find ways to get by without your product and someone else will offer them better terms and eat into your market share. Movies, music and, increasingly, software are like gasoline, sugar and coffee. Inconvenient to live without, but consumers will adjust their consumption if you dick them enough.

    Another classic case of the problem trying to dictate the solution.

  • Missing the point (Score:3, Interesting)

    by natet ( 158905 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:38PM (#8136385)
    I think that what people here are forgetting is that Disney was betting on the convenience factor. With new rentals at Blockbuster, you can end up paying $8 or more if you are late in returning the movie. With the self-destruct DVD's, you don't have to remember to return it, hence no late fee. However, $7 is still too steep for this type of product. If they had priced self-destruct DVD's closer to $4-$5 more consumers might have bought in.
  • by TimTheFoolMan ( 656432 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:45PM (#8136465) Homepage Journal
    "The movie you're about to watch hasn't been pirated, illegally copied, or otherwise acquired in an illegal manner. However, a crime has been committed. You'll notice that your wallet is now approximately $5 lighter than it should be, due to the criminal pricing scheme of the distributor of this movie.

    Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to squash this worthless distribution scheme, primarily by ignoring it.

    This video will self-destruct in approximately 48 hours (that is, if you don't destroy the disk in frustration sooner)."

    Tim
  • Disney? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Doctor Memory ( 6336 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:45PM (#8136468)
    I can't believe that Disney of all companies backed this. I mean, I don't know any household with kids that doesn't have at least a few Disney movies, and they're watched over and over and over again. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy a copy of "The Little Mermaid" and then try to explain to a sobbing five-year-old that they can't watch their movie anymore.
  • Price smice (Score:3, Informative)

    by butane_bob2003 ( 632007 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:45PM (#8136473) Homepage
    I wouldn't buy a 'disposable' DVD because it's disposable. We don't need millions of disposable DVDs ending up in landfills like so many AOL promo CDs. It wouldnt matter if they were recyclable, cause nobody bothers, and they definately aren't compostable. (everthing is biodegradable, given the correct environment. even plastic.) Corporations don't make good citezens.
  • chosen movies (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Therlin ( 126989 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:47PM (#8136480)
    It's not just that they priced them way too high, but the movies they chose were neither good nor new. Let me get a decent new release for $5 and I may be interested in your "rental" system.
  • by l0ungeb0y ( 442022 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @12:49PM (#8136521) Homepage Journal
    I was actually rooting for this tech.
    However, current pricing is definitely the greatest barrier.

    But what I was hoping to see was a DVD vending machine offering DVD's for $2.00 or $3.00 a piece. If they could deliver the tech for a low price, it would definitely be a netflix killer. Why wait 1 day for the dvd to arrive via snail-mail when you could get a movie at your works breakroom, cornerstore etc and no worries about late fees or scratched discs?

    Really, this is a superior solution but is being killed by it's very non-competitive cost... can we say Beta-Max anyone?
  • Good Riddance (Score:4, Insightful)

    by plopez ( 54068 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @01:05PM (#8136749) Journal
    The last thing we need is another 'disposable' product. What 'disposable' actually means is planned obselesence which chokes land fills and the tax payer foots the bill, a hidden subsidy to the companies making disposable items.
  • by port3389 ( 626129 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @01:31PM (#8137069)
    Why dosen't some Pizza chain offer to sell single use DVD's along with Pizza delivery?? The driver is already making the trip, the guy ordering the Pizza isn't in the mood to drive to Blockbuster, etc. I could see Dominio's offering 4-6 of the latest release for that weekend on this format.

    And for the environmental concerns, a 2 liter bottle of Mountain Dew has the same, if not more plastic than the single use DVD.
  • by BigDish ( 636009 ) on Friday January 30, 2004 @01:52PM (#8137328)
    There's probably some catch I'm missing, but if you purchased one of these disks, then immediately copied it, as long as you retained your original (now unreadable) disk wouldn't your copy be legal? It was always my understanding that it was legal to make a backup copy of DVD's (hence products like DVDXCopy) provided you owned the originals. Since you own the original and it's no longer readable, your backup would be legal, right?
  • by cpane ( 172387 ) on Saturday January 31, 2004 @01:16AM (#8142446)
    Just what we would have needed, more small round disks to put in our landfills.

    Could you imagine the impact if this had really taken off? It would make the waste that AOL generates (Free AOL CDs) seem like nothing. I already throw out about 2 AOL disks a week. Imagine if the entire US was renting these DVDs instead of the reusable ones.

One person's error is another person's data.

Working...