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FBI Anti-Piracy Seal 419

Supp0rtLinux writes "Looks like the FBI is giving a new anti-piracy seal for entertainment and software products. Looks like now the RIAA and MPAA pursuits will add a new federal level to future prosecutions." I'm pretty sure that our forms of media already contain warnings against unauthorized duplication, rebroadcasting, and public performance, but now it's in logo form!
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  • Not a big deal.. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SoIosoft ( 711513 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:28PM (#8335494)
    It's not like anyone paid attention ever to the FBI warnings at the beginning or end of VHS tapes.
    • /me gasps (Score:5, Funny)

      by SHEENmaster ( 581283 ) <travis&utk,edu> on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:32PM (#8335535) Homepage Journal
      You mean you didn't pay attention to the FBI warning message? It's illegal to skip it!

      I hope you had expressed written permission, rather than just implied moral consent, to ignore it. If not, you could be next.
      • Re:/me gasps (Score:5, Interesting)

        by dotwaffle ( 610149 ) <slashdot@wPARISalster.org minus city> on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:51PM (#8335688) Homepage
        Err... Illegal to skip a government document? Well, in the UK, it's completely legal to do whatever with the disc, as long as you don't copy it or alter its contents without permission. We don't have a government warning, and if it weren't for the fact that my DVD player doesn't appear to support enforced viewing (ie/ watching the adverts) then I'd certainly be hacking a PC to play the movie, or at least mashing the keys to work out how to skip the commercial when you put the disc in...
        • Re:/me gasps (Score:5, Interesting)

          by david.given ( 6740 ) <dg@cowlark.com> on Friday February 20, 2004 @06:31AM (#8338103) Homepage Journal
          Err... Illegal to skip a government document? Well, in the UK, it's completely legal to do whatever with the disc, as long as you don't copy it or alter its contents without permission. We don't have a government warning, and if it weren't for the fact that my DVD player doesn't appear to support enforced viewing (ie/ watching the adverts) then I'd certainly be hacking a PC to play the movie, or at least mashing the keys to work out how to skip the commercial when you put the disc in...

          I bought my DVD player last year from ASDA. (Walmart, for the Merkins among us.) It cost me 49.95 UKP. It's a Pacific 1002.

          It's brilliant. It plays everything on all media; DVD, DVD-R, CDR, CDRW, you name it. (Haven't tried the more exotic rewritable DVD formats). I burn stuff onto VCD and SVCD and it just works. Picture quality is good, navigation is decent, it's got all the ports I want on the back. It'll play MP3 files burnt onto a CD, plus miniDVD discs.

          But I keep finding new features. Region unlockable? Open the tray, type three numbers followed by the region you want, or 0 to completely unlock it.

          One feature I discovered by accident recently: put in a DVD. It'll start playing automatically, working through the menus and those ghastly unskippable warnings. Press STOP, and the PLAY again. It'll start playing... but from the beginning of the first title. Which, in most cases, is the actual movie.

          It's quite, quite clear that the DVD player manufacturers, or at least the bottom end ones, know exactly where the money is: their customers want devices that will let them watch what they want. And what they want is not what the studios want them to watch.

          The only downsides to my shiny new DVD player are that it looks ugly, the seek time is slow (making interactive content a bit clunky --- like I care), and I can't turn Macrovision off. Which I'm surprised at.

          It's interesting to compare with a friend's more expensive Sony DVD player; it has fewer features, won't play CD-R media, isn't region code switchable, etc. It also cost about six times as much as mine, although this was a few years ago.

          Moral: cheaper is not always worse.

    • by BillyBlaze ( 746775 ) <tomfelker@gmail.com> on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:36PM (#8335575)
      I've seen those FBI warnings on DVDs as well as tapes. The funny part is that, judging from their image quality, I'd guess they were copied from VHS!
    • by grub ( 11606 ) <slashdot@grub.net> on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:41PM (#8335617) Homepage Journal

      Back in the day (early 80s) we'd copy whole tapes, FBI warning and all. Didn't seem to scare us teenage evildoers.
      Hmm.. someone's at my door.
      • by wideBlueSkies ( 618979 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:22PM (#8335925) Journal
        I used to spice the FBI warning onto home movies just as a goof.

        wbs.
      • Re:Not a big deal.. (Score:4, Interesting)

        by jmorris42 ( 1458 ) * <jmorris@[ ]u.org ['bea' in gap]> on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:46PM (#8336090)
        > Back in the day (early 80s) we'd copy whole tapes, FBI warning and all.

        Of course you copy the FBI warning! Only a half-assed pirate would leave off the FBI warning. Copying the warning was my way of saying "Hell yes I know this is technically illegal, but screw em anyway."

        Like copying a tape from the rental shop is somehow EVIL and taping from HBO is different? Personally I draw the line at assholes selling bootleg tapes, but even then I don't think it is always EVIL. Selling bootlegs of titles that are not (and usually never will be) available through legit channels just doesn't seem wrong. Copyrights should not be allowed to be used to suppress a work. (example: Disney and _Song of the South_)

        But I would like to be able to hack my DVD player to allow me to skip the damned thing, especially FOX titles that force it down your throat before the opening menu will come up. But I bought a good Japanese name brand deck that can't be flashed. On the other hand the picture is very good (compared to the el cheapo Chinese stuff from Apex, etc.) so I guess I won't bitch too loud.
      • Re:Not a big deal.. (Score:3, Informative)

        by 1u3hr ( 530656 )
        Back in the day (early 80s) we'd copy whole tapes, FBI warning and all. Didn't seem to scare us teenage evildoers.

        The Chinese bootlegs usually have that too. Sometimes thay have a high quality FBI warning and a preview which makes you think that you have a DVD dupe if you check it in the shop. Then you get home and find that the actual movie is camcorder video, complete with rustling chip packets, caughing and shadows.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      A more effective FBI seal would be
      "This music contains no enterment values for your dollars. Buy something else."
    • by nihilogos ( 87025 )
      Yeah, but we won't be able to fast-forward through them on a DVD. I rented a DVD the other night that wouldn't let me skip the previews, which is reason enough to go get a pirated copy.
  • by 0mni ( 734493 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:29PM (#8335502)
    Great now anyone who buys a cd will have to listen to a 40 year old man tell you to report piracy. It almost makes me want to get piranted cds more that way.
    • by bonch ( 38532 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:37PM (#8335589)
      What's the point of this article? I have a feeling it was only posted so all the pirating Slashdotters can make fun of it. "But they already have one, it's called (c)." "Will I have to update the warning logos on my burned movies now?"

      I don't see how it's newsworthy. They're acknowledging that illegal piracy is becoming a big trend amoung the younger kids and so want to keep the reminder out there that it is against the law by putting up a logo.

      I remember software of the early 90s displaying big red text boxes with SPA anti-piracy hotline numbers and everything upon program exit. Try starting up Doom/Doom 2 sometime and see the warning text as the game loads!
    • by wo1verin3 ( 473094 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:04PM (#8335799) Homepage
      It's like those stupid ads in the movie theatres telling you that you should pay to see a movie and not copy it.

      DON'T YOU THINK YOU MAY BE TARGETTING THE WRONG AUDIENCE? YOU KNOW? THE PEOPLE WHO PAID FOR THE TICKET?! (no free pass trolls pls kthx)

      I cause a ruckus every movie I see and my gf tells me to shutup...
  • by r_glen ( 679664 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:29PM (#8335503)
    Why not just cut to the chase and arrest people the moment they buy the movie?
  • Update? (Score:4, Funny)

    by JBG667 ( 690404 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:29PM (#8335506)
    So does that mean that I have to update the warnning message on all my downloaded movies?

  • Doesn't hurt me (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ObviousGuy ( 578567 ) <ObviousGuy@hotmail.com> on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:30PM (#8335510) Homepage Journal
    It's a label.
    It spells out explicitly that the product is covered by copyright and it also specifies the maximum penalty for violation of the copyright.

    No harm, no foul.
    • Re:Doesn't hurt me (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Quobobo ( 709437 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:32PM (#8335997)
      Fair enough, but if this is similar to what's already on DVDs (forced to sit there and look at it without modified software/hardware), then there is a problem. When I pay for something, I don't want a lecture on not pirating it.

      That said, if it's unintrusive and quick (or just on the packaging), then I have no problem.
    • Re:Doesn't hurt me (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 19, 2004 @11:02PM (#8336206)
      More to the point, why is the FBI spending money on propaganda that is attached to private goods for sale to the general public?

      These are not like health warnings on cigarette packs; these are threats with the weight of government put on packaging at the request of the entertainment monopoly.

      It stinks. It makes the FBI look like hired enforcers. Can I get an FBI label to put on my car saying "The FBI says Grand Theft Auto is a bad thing"?

      If the MPAA/RIAA wants warning stickers, they should make their own, and not use FBI logos and its implicit authority to intimidate people.
      • It stinks. It makes the FBI look like hired enforcers. Can I get an FBI label to put on my car saying "The FBI says Grand Theft Auto is a bad thing"?

        I dunno ... I know a couple of FBI guys and they think Grand Theft Auto III is a great game. One of them gave me a copy.
  • Permission (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Luigi30 ( 656867 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:30PM (#8335511)
    Oh my god... A LOGO! I think I'm gonna pause... and then keep going. I mean, come on. You have that stuff there. All a logo's gonna do is make people glance at it, then copy it. ESRB anyone?
  • There's been an "FBI WARNING!!!" on videotapes since the 1980s. CDs, holding music or software, deserve the same level of copyright protection, so why not?

    If you haven't gotten the clue that digitally sharing the latest thing that came out of Hollywood isn't the smartest idea by now, where have you been?
  • Umm... Ok (Score:2, Insightful)

    From the article:
    The seal would enable the music and movie industries to deliver on their stated belief that education is as important as enforcement in combating piracy.

    That makes no sense whatsoever, the people that control the original content are not capable of putting in little blurbs? They need an FBI seal for education purposes? Which can be stripped out just as easy as anything the RIAA/MPAA could put in....

    Riiiiggghtttt.
    • by NoMoreNicksLeft ( 516230 ) <john.oyler@noSpAm.comcast.net> on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:56PM (#8335728) Journal
      It's so that you don't try to steal the FBI from them. They have bought and paid for federal harassment and intimidation of people that don't give them enough cash, and they don't want you to try and steal the FBI away to say, investigate a kidnapping and ransom.

      This constitutes notice that anyone who had a contractual relationship with the FBI, that it is dissolved and the FBI will only pursue actions as necessary to increase the entertainment industry's collective revenue.

      Never fear though, the Bush administration is advocating a new law enforcement agency for aiding the citizenry. Already, they have allocated $4.32 in budget through fiscal year 2006...

  • by jwthompson2 ( 749521 ) * on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:30PM (#8335514) Homepage
    So will this mean that when programs load they will have a 'Blue screen of Theft'?
  • So the question (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Can we get a "piracy" seal then for works whose copyright owners intend for them to be abused? Negativland should get on this right away.
  • by Nakito ( 702386 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:31PM (#8335520)
    And it looks sort of like this: (C)
  • Some of these bootleg DVDs and CDs I see being sold on the street look almost like the real thing.

    Having this Seal of Approval would at least give me some assurance that I have bought the Authentic thing. I would feel better thinking my money has gone to the creators of of this entertainment, not to those scumbag pirates.

    We should all be grateful that the FBI is helping protect the creative individuals of America.

  • Great! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:32PM (#8335532)
    Now we know which products to boycott!

    DRM sucks
    • Re:Great! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by miu ( 626917 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:49PM (#8335677) Homepage Journal
      Now we know which products to boycott!

      These messages hurt impulse buys in my case. When I see a message like "this software contains anti-copying technology" I remember all the times I've had games fail to work because of buggy piracy protection.

      It means that I put off buying the game until it has been around long enough for users to report problems with the copy protection and the publisher to release patches. Sometimes I never get around to checking and lose interest in the game.

  • by fname ( 199759 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:33PM (#8335546) Journal
    Well, the official propaganda arm of the USA, the Voice of America, has an article [voanews.com] on the matter. I'll pull out one choice quote:
    "It allows the average citizen who rents movies or movies or software or games to understand what is correct activity and what is incorrect activity," he said. "They need to understand that there is a law involved and that law is very important, and they should abide by it."
    So, amyone want to bet that the RIAA doesn't note any of the "correct" ways we can our media, such as sharing with friends, making backup copies or selling them?

    (By the way, I know that VOA isn't really a propaganda machine in the same sense as the Bush press office is. But it sounds funny.)
  • by Gleenie ( 412916 ) * <.moc.liamg. .ta. .neerg.c.nomis.> on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:33PM (#8335552)
    ... According to the article.

    Occam's Razor says that this means 6 out of 10 movies are crap, not that 90% of people are thieves.

  • criminal or civil? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by genixia ( 220387 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:33PM (#8335553)
    The seal, marked by the "FBI Anti-Piracy Warning" label, is accompanied by a statement that
    criminal copyright infringement is punishable by up to five years in prison and a fine of $250,000.
    ...and what about the old plain-jane civil copyright infringments?
  • by Mad_Rain ( 674268 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:35PM (#8335568) Journal
    "Keith Kupferschmid, VP of the anti-piracy division of the SIIA, said piracy also remains rampant in the software industry, costing U.S. companies about $12 billion a year in lost licensing revenue....."While the seal will not solve the problem, we feel it will aid the software industry in its war against piracy.""

    So let me get that last part straight - "We're trying this anyway, and it's not going to work."

    So why bother, and/or what strategy might work?
    • by zurab ( 188064 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:16PM (#8335886)
      So let me get that last part straight - "We're trying this anyway, and it's not going to work."


      So why bother, and/or what strategy might work?


      The partial answer to your questions lies in answering this one: why didn't FBI propose to work with FSF or Linus and others to put an FBI copyright warning on their software for SCO and other corporate software "pirates?" It seems like corporate pirates need as much reminders and education of what copyright means as your average person buying a CD or a DVD.
  • Wel... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:37PM (#8335578)
    Movie execs also are worried about lost revenue from DVD sales and rentals. "We absolutely need downstream revenue to survive," said Ken Jacobsen, senior VP and director of worldwide anti-piracy operations for the MPAA, noting that only four of 10 movies earn enough at the box office to recoup the average of $89 million spent on producing and marketing a film.

    Maybe if they stop hiring the 20 million 'bennifer' actors/actresses and start spending just a 10th of that money on the script and they might see some profit.
    • Guy: Soooo - 60% of your movies tanking is a direct result of piracy?

      Movie Exec: That's the idea.

      Guy: So give me a few examples of the movies you do make money on?

      M.E.: Well - there's Spiderman, Lord of the Rings, of course - a few of the lower-budget films that did well - 28 Days Later, for instance.

      Guy: And the ones that tanked?

      M.E. : Hmmm, so many to choose from - let's say Gigli right at the top there.

      Guy: So you're saying that people are downloading copies of Gigli, and that's why no one went to
  • by Faust7 ( 314817 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:37PM (#8335581) Homepage
    Neither seal, nor EULA, nor copy-protection, nor IP issues, nor ethical ramifications will dissuade the determined pirate.
  • by plams ( 744927 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:37PM (#8335585) Homepage

    But this is only encouraging piracy! Let me explain. This seal will have to be visible right? So now we have not only "Explicit Lyrics" stickers, but also "FBI Anti-Piracy" stickers. Soon to follow is "PEPSI, you can also download this music for free!" stickers, and "SCO - this crap was digitally mastered on a linux platform so you owe us $699" stickers. And EULA stickers, and "Stickers against stickers association" stickers..

    So here's the situation: you enter the record store and you can't find your CD because they're all covered with stickers. So you begin to peel some of them off, and the clerk comes to you and asks what the hell you're doing with their property. Then you reply something like "Oh sorry.. i was just about to go home and start up kazaa, anyway."

    So you see! It leads to piracy!

  • by sPaKr ( 116314 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:37PM (#8335586)
    So they think adding more annoying popups to other devices and services will help stop copyright infringment? Ya, that FBI warning in evey video type is a big problem for the pirates, that FF>> button is So hard to push. Of course we get DVD's that force you to watch them, but if you backup the dvd with a little IFO hacking you can remove the warning. That is if your not luckly enough to have a player that ignores the user prohibition codes. Why not instead of spamming us with more useless stuff they figure out away to encourge us not to want to pirate the content in the first place. Like Sell cut rate on movie tickets or early sneak peaks if you buy the DVD up front. Or other real world advantages. Sooner or later these companies are going to see that forceing the status quo is tilting at windmills, they need to learn to innovate and get people excited about buying their products instead of being viewed as a nesicary evil to recive any decent content
  • by Bobdoer ( 727516 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:37PM (#8335588) Homepage Journal
    Does anyone think that this will be as helpful to people as the "Tipper" stickers are?
    Parent: "Hmm this is copyrighted...Nope, son you can't listen to this."
    Child: "Can I get the latest Eminem CD then?"
    Parent: "Well, as long as it isn't copyrighted, it's fine by me!"
  • by darnok ( 650458 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:38PM (#8335594)
    > "We absolutely need downstream revenue to
    > survive," said Ken Jacobsen, senior VP and
    > director of worldwide anti-piracy operations for
    > the MPAA, noting that only four of 10 movies earn
    > enough at the box office to recoup the average of
    > $89 million spent on producing and marketing a
    > film.

    I think the MPAA should be looking at two other issues in addition to piracy:
    - why do only 40% of movies actually make money? I find it hard to believe that wholesale copyright infringement is ripping that much off the bottom line; very few people actually have the bandwidth to download movies, and not all of those have DVD burners
    - why does the average file cost $89m to make and market? I can remember only about 10 years ago that $100m was considered an obscene amount to spend on making a film (refer to "Waterworld" and "Last Action Hero" as examples); now it's only slightly above average?

    I think these guys have got to have a bit of a reality check if they're spending $89m per film and complaining about not recovering costs. *Someone* has had a very big salary hike...
    • by Via_Patrino ( 702161 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:16PM (#8335883)
      From the article:
      "only four of 10 movies earn enough at the box office to recoup"(the money)"spent on producing and marketing a film"

      Look, they're saying about box office. Now from the 60 minutes [cbsnews.com] about internet movie "piracy" [gnu.org]:

      "Fifty percent of the revenues for any movie come out of home video"

      The quote from the first article gives the impression that most movies are not profitable.
      Does anyone also think they were manipulating numbers there?
      • by bonhomme_de_neige ( 711691 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:53PM (#8336137) Homepage
        Does anyone also think they were manipulating numbers there?

        Absolutely. Reread the wording carefully:

        noting that only four of 10 movies earn enough at the box office to recoup the average of $89 million spent on producing and marketing a film.

        So what they're effectively saying is that the average cost for a movie is $89m, and only 4 out of 10 movies make more than $89m. But that doesn't mean 4 out of 10 movies are profitable - the other 6 probably had much lower budgets and consequently broke even with a much lower revenue.

        For example: let's say 4 movies cost $120m each to produce (the likes of Titanic, T2, etc.). Then to make the average 89m per film the other 6 cost about 68m each. Now let's say the 4 big budget films (due to superior film quality, more aggressive marketing, etc) make huge profits, while the other 6 only make 75m each. They still made a profit but they didn't make the requisite 89m. Now this scenario has been turned into "only 4 out of 10 movies are profitable" (that's not what they said, but that's what everyone heard), even though all the movies made a profit.

    • by Kris_J ( 10111 ) * on Thursday February 19, 2004 @11:09PM (#8336265) Homepage Journal
      very few people actually have the bandwidth to download movies
      I don't think this is true. Tests I've done on my 56k modem show that a typical movie of a quality worth watching would take between 48 and 96 hours to download, leaving just enough bandwidth to check email and read Slashdot. This is easily quick enough to keep up with blockbuster movies (and vastly more than necessary to keep up with good blockbuster movies). What it isn't enough bandwidth for is to keep up with more than three or four hour-long weekly TV shows. Additionally, I only pay for 160 hours per month on my dial-up.

      So that's a 56k modem. DSL being anywhere from four to 20 times faster than that, many people in the world have a pipe capable of keeping up with all new cinema releases, a dozen weekly TV shows (be they US live action or Japanese Anime) and pretty much every new release for a chosen current generation video game console or PC.

      Meanwhile, I bought the Futurama Season 4 box set last night (Channel 7 has been screwing up the broadcasts) and will be buying Andromeda 4.5 tonight (not available on free-to-air here at all) if I remember. I shipped in a US version of the Underworld DVD while it was still in Australian cinemas. Personally I believe that stuff should just be made for DVD. I'd subscribe to SG-1 DVD releases if they came out at the same time as it was shown in the UK. I bet heaps of the sorts of people that download movies would be just as eager to buy a DVD if it was available immediately. What are the economics of a DVD? Did my purchase of Underworld see more money reach the people who made it than if I'd gone to the cinema?

  • by mynameis (mother ... ( 745416 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:39PM (#8335599)
    Jana Monroe, assistant director of the FBI's cyberdivision, said the unit, created 18 months ago in large part to help hunt perpetrators of digital copyright infringement, will continue to get significant funding from the bureau. Monroe said preventing and prosecuting cybercrimes is now the FBI's No. 3 priority, behind anti-terrorism efforts and counterintelligence operations.

    3rd highest priority is cybercrime!?!?
    This is more important that say forensics???

    My god if that doesn't smack of special interests gone horribly, horribly, wrong.

    And that's without even addressing what how slippery a slope the prevention of virtual crimes would seem to be.

  • by presearch ( 214913 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:39PM (#8335603)
    I wish that there was a Special logo on every dollar and every paid invoice to these companies that would
    remind them that they do not own us and it is a privilege to serve it's valued customers instead of treating
    us like lambs waiting to be shorn, wearing retention collars and being fed confinement loaf.

  • YAY! (Score:4, Funny)

    by pyrote ( 151588 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @09:52PM (#8335697) Journal
    Yes! I needed a new logo for my windows boot screen!

    The first thing I did when I bought a TV card for my computer, was to capture the FBI warning for a boot screen. It does nothing to prevent copying except to give the cracker something else to write 'owned' on.

    Useless.
  • by callipygian-showsyst ( 631222 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:00PM (#8335758) Homepage
    Anti Piracy Seal? Is that like Smokey, the Fire Prevention Bear?
  • by Daikiki ( 227620 ) * <daikiki@wan a d oo.nl> on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:06PM (#8335814) Homepage Journal
    This anti-piracy Seal, he's like a highly trained anti-piracy agent, whose stealth and clandestine methods of operation allows him to conduct multiple anti-piracy missions against targets that larger forces cannot approach undetected? He's been selected from the best of the best for his discipline, skill, and bravery? He'll strike terror into the hearts of media pirates near large bodies of water everywhere?

    No? Not that kind of seal?

    Then I expect he'll amuse children and adults alike with his antics, balancing balls on his adorable snout and clapping his flippers together, all the while conveying a powerful anti-piracy message to our youth?

    No? Aw c'mon! You're not seriously telling me that the FBI signed up a washed-up early 90's soul singer to convey their anti piracy message? That's just so lame. It probably would have been more effective for them to just put some kind of. . .I dunno. . .logo or stamp or something on the damn disks saying "piracy is bad, m'kay?". Bloody lame if you ask me.

  • by keyslammer ( 240231 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:09PM (#8335831) Homepage Journal
    ... so I can slap a circle & slash on it for my own stuff.
  • by Craig Maloney ( 1104 ) * on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:10PM (#8335845) Homepage
    I can just imagine someone looking over their shoulder, about to "copy that floppy", when out of nowhere a giant seal clubs them to death and the disappears into the night.

    How this rebranded "Don't Copy that Floppy" seal is going to deter piracy is beyond me. I'm sure it was as much of a deterrent as that William H. Sessions "Winners don't use drugs" campaign that showed up in arcades in the 90s.

  • by Lehk228 ( 705449 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:12PM (#8335855) Journal
    Now it will be easy to tell what CD's are put out by RIAA members will have a handy marker on them... wait a few months till they put the Logo on all their shit then start a "Do Not Buy" campaign
  • by upt1me ( 537466 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:14PM (#8335871) Homepage
    Just get one of these stickers [downhillbattle.org] from downhillbattle and place it over the stupid FBI Warning.
  • by jhoger ( 519683 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:15PM (#8335873) Homepage
    Real Pirate upon seeing the Warning: "Oooooh I'm sooooo scared!"

    Yeah this stuff is just there so that you can't give try excuse that you didn't know it was illegal. However, I would be happier if in addition to this the companies spelled out the purchaser's fair use rights along with this stuff.
  • Disturbing... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by EvilTwinSkippy ( 112490 ) <yoda@nOSpAM.etoyoc.com> on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:17PM (#8335897) Homepage Journal
    I'm a bit disturbed by the last paragraph. Anti-Piracy is not the FBI's number 3 priority behind Anti-terrorism and counterintelligence.

    As a taxpayer I can think of a hell of a lot of things the FBI should be spending it's time on WAY before jailing bootleggers.

    Well, at least they are making a distinction between terrorists, spies, and copyright infringers.

  • Stop! (Score:3, Funny)

    by quakeroatz ( 242632 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:17PM (#8335898) Journal
    Or we'll make even bigger warning labels! Big bright ones with popup stop signs and menacing pictures of fingers wagging in disapproval!

  • "Piracy"? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by haggar ( 72771 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:28PM (#8335974) Homepage Journal
    Shouldn't /. take a stand of principle, and do not use the word "piracy" to describe unauthorized software copying?
  • by cje ( 33931 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:32PM (#8335998) Homepage
    WASHINGTON, DC (UPI) - Vowing to put a dent in an illegal practice that robs the entertainment industry of three billion dollars a year, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has unleashed a new tool in the fight against online music pirates. In a media event this afternoon at FBI Headquarters in Washington, Director Robert Mueller unveiled Chester, the bureau's official Anti-Piracy Seal. Chester, a seven year-old harp seal that was rescued from a fisherman's net off the coast of Maine, has been recruited by the bureau to "inform America's youth about the harmful practice of copyright infringement," according to Mueller. "We hope that he will teach our children that it is wrong to steal music from the Internet."

    Chester impressed a crowd of roughly 100 reporters, music industry representatives, teachers, and students by balancing a copy of Hoobastank's latest CD The Reason on his nose while holding a copy of Incubus' Crow Left of the Murder between his front flippers. At one point in the press conference, an actor portraying an online music pirate attempted to take the Incubus album from Chester, at which point the seal snarled and bit off the would-be-thief's left pinky. Chester also demonstrated that he was able to use lawn darts to burst large balloons that were imprinted with the logos of Kazaa, Morpheus, Gnutella, and other popular Internet P2P ("peer-to-peer") file sharing applications.

    "He's quite the talented creature," beamed Mueller.

    After the press conference was over, Mueller loaded Chester up in an unmarked Chevy Malibu and took him to Millard Fillmore Elementary School in suburban Washington, D.C. for a classroom visit. The popular seal captured the hearts of Mrs. Eleanor Richards' third grade class when he waddled around the room with a bucketful of FBI/RIAA anti-piracy literature hanging from his nose. "Chester taught me that it is real, real bad to steal music," said nine year-old Timmy Jacobson, of Alexandria, VA.

    "I learned that Adolf Hitler also stoled music," pointed out ten year-old Kaitlyn Frankenhoff.

    Chester is scheduled to visit five schools a week during an extended tour that is expected to last eighteen months. His initial weeks will take him from the Beltway south through the Carolinas, to Georgia and Florida, and finally to New Orleans, LA. Mueller is excited about the impact of Chester's mission. "We will get the truth about music sharing out," he said. "The next generation of American children will understand the value of honesty and the reward of a hard day's work." According to Mueller, Chester is also able to "answer the telephone", "close car doors", and "play sand volleyball." When he's not fighting music pirates, Chester enjoys dining on rotten fish and soft serve ice cream.

    Hillary Rosen contributed to this story.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:52PM (#8336134)
    Here's the deal. If large corporations agree to pay their taxes like everyone else, and not use illegal tax shelters, generally show a bit of civic responsibility, I'll agree to not pirate ANYTHING. /me just finished watching Frontline.

    Look here:
    [pbs.org]
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ta x/

    Sound fair? Good. You cannot have your cake and and pie and cream puffs and every last damn thing you want AND eat it too. Greedy bastards.
  • Why a seal? (Score:4, Funny)

    by ArmorFiend ( 151674 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @10:53PM (#8336139) Homepage Journal
    I don't understand why they're developing an anti-piracy seal. I mean MacGruff the crime dog made sense, but when I think of anti-pirate animals, I mostly think of that alligator from Peter Pan.
  • It's not their fault (Score:4, Interesting)

    by max born ( 739948 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @11:21PM (#8336378)
    The FBI is an essential and necessary part of the U.S. government. To give them credit, they have done a great deal in investigating and prosecuting government corruption, organized crime, child abductions, and many other serious crimes.

    Unfortunately the FBI, through no fault of their own, are being coerced by politicians at the behest of the entertainment industry (whose multi million dollar campaign contributions have had an undue influence on public policy) to become more and more a private law enforcement agency for powerful and wealthy organizations, propping up archaic and inefficient business models, who should be financing their own investigations. (I doubt the FBI would pursue GPL violations.)

    I encourage all taxpayers to lobby their respective representatives with the aim of curtailing this waste of our important resources.

    The downloading of copyrighted videos and music is now largely done via P2P networks. Unless it concerns national security, espionage, terrorism, or organized crime, etc., the FBI should not be spending its resources on prosecuting Internet file sharers.
    • by Eric Smith ( 4379 ) * on Friday February 20, 2004 @03:54AM (#8337667) Homepage Journal
      The FBI is an essential and necessary part of the U.S. government.
      It is neither essential nor necessary. In fact, it is questionable whether the U.S. Constitution actually gives the federal government the power to have such a police force.

      There's no obvious reason why law enforcement can't be left to the states. For that matter, there's no obvious reason why most functions currently performed by the federal government can't be performed by the states instead, and probably at lower cost to the taxpayers. Sending tax dollars to Washington D.C. to pay for things that are done in other parts of the country just burns up a larger fraction of the money in bureaucracy.

  • by djupedal ( 584558 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @11:21PM (#8336382)
    Monroe said preventing and prosecuting cybercrimes is now the FBI's No. 3 priority, behind anti-terrorism efforts and counterintelligence operations.

    What a relief. Once again, it's safe for tradition to come out of the basement.

    We can all go back to counterfeiting $100.00 bills and transporting drunken underage hookers across state lines :)
  • by MichaelCrawford ( 610140 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @11:23PM (#8336394) Homepage Journal
    Is it time to practice civil disobedience [goingware.com]?

    $10.00 for a pack of one hundred, including postage. Alternately the page has artwork you can download to print your own.

  • by Black Art ( 3335 ) on Thursday February 19, 2004 @11:45PM (#8336534)
    This reminds me of the movie Amazon Women on the Moon [imdb.com].

    Pirate Captain: [Looking at the FBI Warning on the video.] Ohhh, I'm so scared.

    How many minutes until the new logo is pirated?

  • by the_greywolf ( 311406 ) * on Friday February 20, 2004 @01:04AM (#8337017) Homepage
    a little off-topic, but it seems rather topical. anyone else get an email like this one?

    ---------

    From - Wed Feb 18 16:55:05 2004
    X-UIDL: 40330bda00000021
    X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
    X-Mozilla-Status2: 1a000000
    Return-Path:
    Received: from ns12-1.futurepoint.com (root@localhost)
    by the-junkyard.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i1IE9r824340
    for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:09:53 -0500
    X-ClientAddr: 80.181.221.127
    Received: from SCODA.com (host127-221.pool80181.interbusiness.it [80.181.221.127])
    by ns12-1.futurepoint.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i1IE9kS24311
    for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:09:46 -0500
    Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:09:46 -0500
    From: bill@lavoro-a-domicilio.com
    To: news@the-junkyard.net
    Subject: You use illegal File Sharing ...
    Importance: Normal
    X-Mailer: Xfworks
    X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
    Message-ID:
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="SCODA7a911414cb96"
    Status: O

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

    --SCODA7a911414cb96

    Ladies and Gentlemen,
    Downloading of Movies, MP3s and Software is illegal and punishable by law.

    We hereby inform you that your computer was scanned under the IP 195.38.50.145 . The
    contents of your computer were confiscated as an evidence, and you will be indicated.
    You get the charge in writing, in the next days.
    In the Reference code: #9983, are all files, that we found on your computer.

    The sender address of this mail was masked, to fend off mail bombs.

    - You get more detailed information by the Federal Bureau of Investigation -FBI-
    - Department for "Illegal Internet Downloads", Room 7350
    - 935 Pennsylvania Avenue
    - Washington, DC 20535, USA
    - (202) 324-3000
    --SCODA7a911414cb96
    Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=refcode9983.txt.scr
    Content-Transfer-Encodin g: base64
    Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="refcode9983.txt.scr"

    [followed by a 100kb virus. don't recall which one]
  • Good Grief! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by rnturn ( 11092 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @01:16AM (#8337092)

    Where's a William Proxmire when you really need him? A Proxmire impersonator would do just as well.

    Now we'll find out who all the Baby Boomers are. Are rather who isn't. (They'll be all the people postings ``Huh?'' and ``Who's that?'' replies. :-)

  • by Eric Smith ( 4379 ) * on Friday February 20, 2004 @03:38AM (#8337635) Homepage Journal
    Perhaps we should come up with a "Copy all you want, we won't sue!" logo or seal for Open Source and/or Free Software? Since the FBI is trying to get more public recognition that you're not supposed to make unauthorized copies of proprietary software, maybe there's a corresponding opportunity to make the benefits of Open Source a little more visible.
  • by Bill Kendrick ( 19287 ) <bill@newbreedsoftware.com> on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:36AM (#8337788) Homepage
    I couldn't resist creating an Open Source variation of this logo. I mean, I want to have shiny logos on my software, too! It's just all Open Source stuff, though! ;^)

    Anyway, here you go [newbreedsoftware.com]. ("Don't worry, it's Open Source!")
  • by SethJohnson ( 112166 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @05:10AM (#8337910) Homepage Journal


    Pirates have long known that seals are no match. Sure, they can make a lot of racket when your schooner is leaving the harbor, but if they see you tossing a bunch of mullet overboard, they'll quickly jump in the water to feast. Shuts them up pronto.


    So, the FBI is using old technology. It's easily circumvented with a bucket of dead fish. Sometimes even a beachball thrown for them to balance on their nose will do the trick.

    Piracy will continue.

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