OD2 Launches Penny-Per-Song Streaming Jukebox 163
securitas writes "BBC Technology's Darren Waters reports that UK digital music service OD2 launched its 350,000-song SonicSelector streaming 'digital jukebox' for a penny per song a day ahead of the iTunes Europe debut. The service (co-founded by Peter Gabriel) is available only in 'UK, France, Germany and Italy and will only work with users of Windows Media Player' 9. NewsFactor and The Register have descriptions of the pay-per-use / a la carte service. More at the Financial Times and Reuters via ZDNet UK. You can also read the previous OD2 Slashdot discussion."
Just Pains Me... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Just Pains Me... (Score:2)
I'll Explain... (Score:1)
2. His music and Gabriel's only availability will be via this service (and subsequently WMP only). Forget about iTunes.
3. He was always about "alternative" to pop music... atleast he was during the 70's. Now... he's just another pop superstar awash in cash.
A voice of sanity... (Score:4, Funny)
And you listen to the stuff these people put out. They could be sneaking _anything_ into your subconscious in their music...
Re:A voice of sanity... (Score:3, Insightful)
But oD2 and the others are going to be running scared for a while. There should be some good offers on for European legal downloaders over the coming few weeks/months.
Price isn't bad, but... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Price isn't bad, but... (Score:2)
I've got to agree with this one. I develop multi-platform software, which means that, as of right now, I vary between working with three different OS's (OSX, Solaris, and various flavors of Linux) on four different architectures (ppc, x86, x86-64 and sparc), which isn't to brag, but to say that my current desktop at any time is more likely than not to be unable to play windows media.
Also, I think DRM is a bit silly, because it's a penny a song, and the people who are going to rip you off to save sixty cen
Re:Price isn't bad, but... (Score:1)
DRM is a bit silly, because it's a penny a song
it's a penny a song for streaming only ... there's no drm for streaming, you know ? it streams then it's gone ... Or may you didn't read the fuc ... uh, oh wait, sorry.
Re:Price isn't bad, but... (Score:5, Funny)
"there's no drm for streaming, you know ? it streams then it's gone ..."
Yes, because streamed bits are a very special kind of bit. Unlike normal bits they can't be stored to the harddisk.
Re:Price isn't bad, but... (Score:2, Funny)
Unlike normal bits they can't be stored to the harddisk.
Wow ... Do they use some kind of stream water marking ?
Re:Price isn't bad, but... (Score:4, Funny)
I refuse to believe it!
Re:Price isn't bad, but... (Score:5, Funny)
CTRL-SHIFT-NUMLOCK-~-#-`--[CTRL027], [return]
Re:Price isn't bad, but... (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Price isn't bad, but... (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Price isn't bad, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Wake up! Let's not have it based on a piece of software, let's have it based on a fucking standard for christ's sake!
Re:Price isn't bad, but... (Score:2)
Re:Price isn't bad, but... (Score:2)
And so on.
Re:Price isn't bad, but... (Score:2)
Maybe the thinking is (Score:1, Flamebait)
Re:Maybe the thinking is (Score:5, Insightful)
There's a difference between won't and don't. Some of us, though you may find it hard to believe, don't care much about the sticker price of a working environment, so long as it gets the job done in a manner that's acceptable. It just happens to be that one of the best environments available today can be downloaded for free off the 'net (or paid for from a vendor like Red Hat).
I, for one, would be perfectly happy to pay for an iTunes-like service (their restrictions are acceptable to me, though I'd prefer either MP3- or Ogg Vorbis-formatted files; the former is extremely portable, the latter is very nice and reasonably portable), just like I'd be happy to pay for an operating system which suited me. It's a pity that since my operating system *happens* to be free, I can't pay anybody to let me access their service :)
Our iTunes-like overlords.. (Score:2)
Aren't we getting tired of that obligatory Simpsons joke by now? ;)
/. is a heterogenous community.
Personally, I don't like restrictions. I chose a free OS primarily for the freedom. I think Audio Lunchbox [audiolunchbox.com] is fine but slow - it has non-DRM:ed oggs, with some records that are quite hard to find in physical record storse (notably early April March stuff).
I guess it only goes to show that
Re:Maybe the thinking is (Score:1)
Re:Maybe the thinking is (Score:2)
Troll, flamebait, ignorant moron. Why pay for an over-priced, under-powered, flakey and largely useless OS when you can get a proper one that works legitimately for free and Free.
Some of us have principles despite the cynicism, ignorance and self-serving attitudes that prevail in this world.
Believe it or not, I have a Free operating system for personal use and a commercial UNIX for business use. I also like to support good hardware manufacturers by b
Er um, sorry for the rant... (Score:2)
Re:Er um, sorry for the rant... (Score:2)
Re:Maybe the thinking is (Score:2)
Re:Price isn't bad, but... (Score:2)
Nice deal (Score:5, Interesting)
The article states that OD2 is "Europe's leading music download firm", and I've never heard of the company - which might explain why the service will not be available in my country...
Re:Nice deal (Score:1)
But in the end, they have to go where the money and population is, and build it up from there. Remember, some members of the EU are more equal than others.
Re:Nice deal (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Nice deal (Score:2)
Nearly right.
If the EU is so unified, how come Apple et al can't provide an EU-wide service? Obviously Apple wants to, but maybe something in these other countries is blocking them?
Perhaps it's not that Apple's definition of "Europe" is l
You haven't heard of them because ... (Score:2)
Instead it provides the technology to retailers such as HMV, Virgin, MTV, MSN and Tiscali.
I still haven't figured out how Peter Gabriel ended up as the EU force of Evil.
Re:Nice deal (Score:5, Interesting)
Interesting question. Did you know that offering a product with restrictions based on residence in a particular country in Europe is illegal under EU regulations? The EU Ombudsman may be interested in this case.
The article states that OD2 is "Europe's leading music download firm", and I've never heard of the company - which might explain why the service will not be available in my country...
It seems from the Register's story that they've been operating a service that's co-branded with Coca Cola (I think I remember seeing something about it somewhere before, never paid much attention), so they've probably not used their own name to market it before.
Re:Nice deal (Score:1)
Re:Nice deal (Score:1)
1 Penny (Score:3, Interesting)
Funky Gibbon (Score:2)
I bet they don't have the Funky Gibbon by the Goodies.
Re:Funky Gibbon (Score:2)
I said "most people", not "weird people".
Re:Funky Gibbon (Score:2)
Sign of things to come? (Score:5, Informative)
Sounds like a great idea to me... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Sounds like a great idea to me... (Score:2, Interesting)
Do you really see microsoft playing nice in the DRM market? I just can't see them voluntarily building a gateway from their software so that users can use anything but Windows to listen
ITMS europe (Score:1, Insightful)
Surprises (Score:4, Informative)
Competition is good for everyone, especially for the consumers. Let the music war begin.
Re:Surprises (Score:1, Interesting)
What Apple has done in the US is to prevent/delay Microsoft from extending its monopoly into audio. Apple's success can only help competition by promoting another format to WMA, which is shoved down the throat of the unwashed masses by M$ through its illegally-gained tight-fisted control of the desktop.
It pains me each time I hear that there is "competition" when some oblivious sod points to, say, 30 different WMA players, players who'se format is controlled by a convicted monopolist hell-bent
Re:Surprises (Score:3, Interesting)
What exactly has Apple done in the US, other than offering the most compelling service that customers seem to prefer over the competitors?
Re:Surprises (Score:2)
Exactly. Competitors in Europe had hoped to build up a userbase before Apple arrived. I'm certain Napster had expected more than a two week head start. Well, now that Apple has arrived, the competition starts to heat up. As I stated, it's good for all consumers involved no matter what service they use.
You seem to have gotten the impression that I was commenting against
BBC Technology? Surely not.. (Score:1, Informative)
From od2.com (Score:3, Informative)
OD2 offers a complete end to end solution for the digital sale, promotion and distribution of Music.
The OD2 infrastructure is designed to serve all channels, devices, platforms and formats. This means that the consumer will be able to purchase digital product to their PC, Mobile phone, TV or portable devices - like MP3 players. OD2 provides all the tools required for labels to sell and promote their music digitally and, as the market evolves, OD2 will ensure that the label's music is sold in every viable media.
Performance
* Systems capable of delivering over 1,000,000 streams and downloads per day.
* New European clusters will extend this to over 2,000,000 in Q1 2000.
Reliability
* Full Application and System Monitoring 24x7x365.
* Automated test downloads every 120 seconds.
* Hardware and software redundancy throughout OD2 systems architecture.
* Rigorous development, test and deployment processes. (OD2 is an accredited Microsoft Solutions Provider).
Security
* Digital Rights Management (DRM) based on Microsoft Version 7 Rights Manager.
* Enables a range of distribution and playback controls to be defined.
* Media protected internally and externally using latest security and encryption techniques.
Multi-platform
* Architecture enables new DRM's to be inserted for support of new platforms e.g. Cable TV, ADSL, 3rd Generation Mobile.
Re:From od2.com (Score:2)
Well, I'm impressed. What does this mean, that they've got a few MCSEs working for them?
MPlayer anyone? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:MPlayer anyone? (Score:2)
I'm not certain, I use a very old version of mplayer myself, but I don't believe it implements the DRM aspects of the more recent versions of media player, so probably not.
Re:MPlayer anyone? (Score:2)
Re:MPlayer anyone? (Score:1)
Finally, a price worth paying (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Finally, a price worth paying (Score:1)
I dont know anyone else with lounge systems, and I do my listening on the move, so the service is useless to everyone I know.
This site may be of use for previewing tracks, buts thats about it.
Use a pocket PC (Score:2)
Re:Use a pocket PC (Score:2)
Re:Finally, a price worth paying (Score:1, Troll)
It was also pretty tough to argue w/99 cents when iTunes came out unless you were the RIAA "trying to protect your artists'".
How long do you seriously believe that the money-grubbing music cartels are
Re:Finally, a price worth paying (Score:2)
Linux support (Score:2, Interesting)
Any idea whether this'll work with the MPlayer Win32 codecs?
Interesting (Score:5, Interesting)
This new service package sounds interesting, but honestly, all it seems like to me is an extended preview that you pay for.
Granted its only 1P, but their ultimate goal is to get people to buy the whole song...and this sounds like kind of a scummy way to do it.
Unfortunately, this may be the only way they are ABLE to do it because I'm sure they have to pay the labels for the streaming rights to the song, so they couldn't just offer up a whole preview for free.
I'm curious though, can anybody spot any difference between the sites that use OD2's main product other than the brand name/images/colorscheme slapped onto the webpages?
As far as I know they all use the same catalogue, same terms, and same price, so I can't see how they are differentiated at all other than by Brand.
Re:Interesting (Score:2)
I'm not spreading FUD, I'm making an observation on the current state of the industry.
So now, since you seem to think OD2 is far less restrictive than Apple's service...I shall give you a point by point break down of why it is indeed more restrictive. OD2's policy on burning:
"CD burning refers to the process of creating an audio CD from the downloaded media file on your PC. Most of the music can be 'burned' to a CD
Re:Interesting (Score:2)
You see, they don't really have to worry so much about competing head to head with the best in the industry in terms of quality of service simply because they are aiming for companies who just want to jump on the bandwagon, and are willing to pay a lot of money for it.
I'm sure this is infinitely more profitable for them than if their business model involved
Link to BBC Coverage of iTunes Europe launch (Score:4, Informative)
Business Model (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't know. I mean, a penny-a-song is pretty cheap. But, something about me wants to pay once and be able to play a song as much as I want.
If I kinda of only liked the song and wanted to hear it only once in a while. I'd probably wait for them to play it on the radio. If I really liked a song, I'd pay a buck so I could listen to it when ever I wanted and be done with it.
The only time I see this as useful is if you are playing a song that you don't like that much, but somebody else would. For example, hosting a party or you have a date at your house and you figure Wierd Al isn't going to set the mood you want.
I just don't see those situations of use setting up a sustainable business model for the costs they are going to endure. Of course, if it becomes _the_ method for DJ'ing. You might get the volume you need, but I still doubt it.
Of course, this is just my opinion and I could be wrong (and frequently am).
Re:Business Model (Score:2)
I don't know about you, but real DJing often involves a bit of listening to your songs to work out the ideal cue points and rough song structure..
Unless you mean those hired monkeys that play nothing but cheese and get paid to press 'next' on their CD players and, every so often, change to another CD... But I doubt that would be legal, considering the 'broadcast' factor of playing the music to a public crowd.
Meanwhile... (Score:2, Troll)
Great! Where can I sign-up?!
But the only portable device it supports is the iPod.
Oh well, I guess I'll stick to burning CDs.
Seems that the only way I can play music from iTunes on my MuVo is to burn a CD and then rip the CD, which is a bit more hassle than I'm willing to go to. So I'll pay a few pounds more, get the CD with the nice packaging, track listing, lyrics, etc, the eeeevil record companies will have more of my money and Apple will have none.
Apple wants to limit my
I'll stick to BUYING CDs, not burning them, duh. (Score:2)
Re:Meanwhile... (Score:2)
The labels don't want the content online where it can be copied and shared. If they sign up to provide content and price it and criple it so nobody uses it, but buy's the CD from the conventional retailer instead, then they won.
If they wanted it to work, all they had to do was provide high quality un-encumbered MP3's and other formats for a nominal charge. Subscribing to a newspaper isn't a budget buster, so there isn't much 2nd hand market for pass me along ne
Or if you are a Mac user... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Or if you are a Mac user... (Score:1)
I ended up playing it with Windows Media Player inside VMWare and using Sox to capture the stream and re-encode it to an MP3.
It stinks that I have to do this for something that I have legitimately paid for. And no, they took the money before letting you know what you w
Re:Or if you are a Mac user... (Score:1)
Complement not competition (Score:4, Insightful)
what format? oh my! (Score:2)
If only they'd heard of the MP3 format...
Re:what format? oh my! (Score:2)
Re:what format? oh my! (Score:2)
New Headline Suggestion (Score:1, Funny)
Re:New Headline Suggestion (Score:1)
Re:New Headline Suggestion (Score:1)
Great (Score:1, Flamebait)
A penny a song isn't bad, but it could get annoying. I leave my computer with music playing. When I come back, knowing I wasted 10 cents would get annoying. If anything, I think that little annoyance would hinder people from playing music freely. It's still cheaper than $20 for the shrink wrapped cd or 99 cents for the song from apple. This service is probably better for teenagers who like to listen to the pop hits rather than actually invest
Re:Great (Score:1)
IE Lock in (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:IE Lock in (Score:2)
How the heck did you get modded funny? It's a valid point.
So I guess nothing's changed since the last time I tried to look at OD2. If you ain't running IE, they ain't interested in ya.
Well that's just annoying. I might still be a Windows user, but I went Mozilla-based well voer a year ago. Apart from a few selected uses (Windows Update and OWA), I do not use and will not use Internet Explorer.
Once again they try and make a legal "solution" to the downloaded-music issue, and exclude many of the people w
Good business model (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course, ripping songs from this service could eventually become rampant.
Re:Good business model (Score:1)
what quality is ripped from stream ? i don't like it that much ...
OTOH they claim that their service gives security, as in "no need to open 245 port for peer to peer" ... That's worth a penny.
Um.. (Score:5, Informative)
Splitting hairs (Score:3, Informative)
The iTunes Europe debut is for the rest of Europe, while Germany, France, and the UK already have iTunes. Yes it doesn't make perfect sense, but calling the debut iTunes "rest of Europe" wasn't as catchy.
Peter Gabriel? Wow, this could be... (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Peter Gabriel? Wow, this could be... (Score:2)
I dunno, WMP makes me want to take a sledgehammer to my computer sometimes.
Price isnt the issue here (Score:2, Insightful)
Maybe a massive site with full archival downloads. I'd pay for that, even per download, simply for the convenience of knowing where to get it, and the gaurentee behind the quality and speed of download.
Otherwise, they are just being woefully hopefull, or dismissive of online distribution. "see, see, we charged 5 cents a download for a crappy file that most people cant play where they want. thats PROOF that onli
$1.60 per day (Score:4, Insightful)
I think I could buy a lot of music on iTunes for $400 and listen to it for more than a year.
But how... (Score:2, Interesting)
Physical location is just about meaningless within the internet.
This is whats gving governments like China headaches because they can't control the propaganda anymore. Why should the record comapnies think they can control it?
Just let the damn music play (Score:1)
Just proves what I've always said (Score:2)
Just goes to prove that there's absolutely no reason they couldn't just sell MP3 downloads for 5 to 10 cents each and make money just fine. Hell, they would save a lot of their bandwidth and server expenses by not needing to stream the same data repeatedly.
Any download service that offered a $19.95 subscription for 250 MP3 downloads would absolutely sweep the market. It's not even work the hassle of mucking around with P2P at that p
It's vile! (Score:3, Interesting)
What some people have been asking for... (Score:2)
You don't need cd quality sound to determine whtether a song is worth your dollar, and most songs you can pass judgement after a play or two.
Of course, 350,000 songs is not exactly an extensive library, especially since one
Re:you do that (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:For those in US? (Score:2)
Anti-money laundering regulations.
Re:For those in US? (Score:1)
Actually, that should be anti-money-laundering regulations. I've never even considered laundering anti-money before now. Although that does coincide quite nicely with credit cards, as originally discussed.
I'm rambling. I'll stop now.