The BookMachine: On-Demand Book Printing in 3-5 Minutes 332
Photo_Designer writes "Engadget has an article about these cool BookMachines that spit out on-demand books in just a few minutes. Sounds cool. Forget eBooks.. get the real thing!" The company website has some more information, though it's a bit suspiciously skimpy on hard specifications.
On demand books are the next big thing ...in japan (Score:5, Insightful)
So, you could have vending machines which not only print books, but tuck the reader in to bed after bringing them hot coco and a stuffed bear before reading it to them and they still wouldn't take off.
However, for you and I of the dwindling reading population, it is a neat thing.
Re:On demand books are the next big thing ...in ja (Score:5, Insightful)
I knew it all along! Now, excuse me, a Simpson's rerun is on and I need it to think for me.
Re:On demand books are the next big thing ...in ja (Score:5, Funny)
KFG
Re:Balancing act. (Score:5, Interesting)
I habituate estate sales and such looking for "used" books, many of which have obviously never been read, especially those in shrink wrap. I once got free first pick of an extensive private library with dozens of unread books in it, and it had belonged to a history professor. The commemorative editon of the Feynman Lectures, still in the shrink wrap, was a nice bit of booty, it went very nicely with the unopened recordings of the same.
KFG
Re:Balancing act. (Score:5, Interesting)
I actually have a number of books which have never technically been opened but which I have read not just once but often several times. They are classics which I frequently lend or give away. I then purchase replacement copies to have on my shelf should I wish to either A - re-read them, or B - pass them on again.
Things are not always what they seem...
Re:Balancing act. (Score:2, Interesting)
Including the purchase of books. That's my very point.
And I too gave away my previous copy of the Feynman Lectures. A nice bit of booty to the recipient.
KFG
Re:On demand books are the next big thing ...in ja (Score:2, Insightful)
Oh, sure, if you or I buy a book it at least implies the intent (although still not the actual reading), but you and I are not the general case.
KFG
Re:On demand books are the next big thing ...in ja (Score:2)
Re:On demand books are the next big thing ...in ja (Score:2, Insightful)
A goodly number of people buy a goodly number of books with absolutely no intent to read them, ever. They go on display on the shelves right next to the plates that no one had better ever eat off of, the thimbles that will never be used for sewing, the model cars that will never pushed around while making "Vroom
Re:On demand books are the next big thing ...in ja (Score:2, Funny)
And books are often intelligent shit that stupid rednecks buy to appear intelligent.
KFG
I didn't read that (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I didn't read that (Score:3, Funny)
Re:On demand books are the next big thing ...in ja (Score:4, Funny)
Last I checked, most people go to B+N to have a nice cuppa at the cafe corner while perusing a few magazine they picked up on the mag shelf for free.
Oh yes, and by CD, stationery and postcards, and books for work.
And it's true, sometimes book for fun also.
Nobody reads anymore...unfortunately (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Nobody reads anymore...unfortunately (Score:3, Insightful)
How'd you conclude that? More books published + Fewer fiction readers implies MORE NON-FICTION, not fewer readers.
Re:Back atcha (Score:2)
Re:On demand books are the next big thing ...in ja (Score:2, Informative)
It's actually "for you and me." Normally, I wouldn't care, but if you're criticizing the US for being dumb and claiming to be well read yourself, you might as well use correct grammar.
if you're reading this... (Score:3, Insightful)
Novels are f
Excellent! (Score:5, Interesting)
Yes, "no more eBooks" sounds good, but I'd say "Finally, a great balance".
Re:Excellent! (Score:5, Insightful)
If the music industry couldn't get their act together to allow on the spot pressing / burning of their back catalogue it's a pipe dream to hope for this in books.
Re:Excellent! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Excellent! (Score:2)
Sitting on my hard drive is a novel waiting to be published. I'm going to find some way to get it published, hopefully by a big house--and whenever you or anyone else buys my book, IMO they're buying the right to have a copy of that book for the rest of their lives.
If they contact me and supply a verifiable information, I'll send them an electronic version of the book and give them secured written permission to copy, print out, or just read on their palm my book... just so
Compulsory licensing for books? (Score:2)
Personally, I tend to agree: a copyright holder should have some responsibilities. Alas, I don't believe it will fly in actual practice. A more realistic solution may be that of compulsory licensing: anyone can print the book, so long as they pay a licensing fee to do so. A similar situation exists with regards to musicians performing the works of other musicians. The compulsory license may be restricted to situations where it is not reasona
Re:Excellent! (Score:2, Funny)
Not to be a pessimist but... (Score:3, Informative)
this machine probably wont fix that problem, maybe partially (for those books that just havent gotten published because nobody wanted to print them)
It could also be a big boost to public domain books....
though I'd hate to waste the paper and cut down trees...
Still I prefer reading a book over a PDF. books are highly portable, you
Re:Not to be a pessimist but... (Score:2)
And it isn't backlit... and higher res.
The down side to no more "Out of Print" (Score:3, Informative)
Re:The down side to no more "Out of Print" (Score:4, Informative)
The clock on copyrights start running when the author dies (for 70 years) for works by individuals, or first publication (for 95 years) or creation (for 120 years), whichever expires first, for anonymous works and works for hire.
Older regulations also started the clock at first publication.
Re:The down side to no more "Out of Print" (Score:2)
Re:The down side to no more "Out of Print" (Score:2)
Anyway, such a technique would probably be ruled unconstitutional as it isn't for a limited period. (And before you reference the Sonny Bono copyright extension and it being upheld, SCOTUS hinted that they would not approve future retroactive increases.)
Re:Excellent! (Score:2)
A couple of years ago, I asked a publishing house about a classic that they had published- "Resource manual for a living revolution." It turns out that one of the authors could no longer be contacted for permission to reprint...
Another harsh reality I learned while working for a publisher was that many of the books did not have electronic versions - either did not exist, were lost or existed in very old formats. Sometimes it just isn't worth paying s
Re:Excellent! (Score:2)
Borders doesn't want to replace their store with a kiosk. After all, they have gone through the considerable expense of leasing a store and filling it with books. What's more, if all you need to get into the book sales business is a fancy printer a pile of paper and a kiosk then Borders is very likely to start facing competition from more small time vendors and even vending machines.
The book business is hard enough for Borders without having to compete with thousands of new book vendors that don't have
Just wait (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Just wait (Score:2)
Great for students (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Great for students (Score:2, Insightful)
The music store out of the CD you want? Just make a copy!
Someone still has to pay the publisher per copy for works under copyright protection, not to mention for the paper. Don't expect libraries to become retail centers.
KFG
Re:Great for students (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Great for students (Score:2, Informative)
Of course, but that is not the hypothetical case I was responding to.
KFG
Re:Great for students (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Great for students (Score:2)
Well, one of three things is true. Either government really is inherently inefficient and it would simply be a convenient place to go to pick up certain materials; or it is not true, and the government would do things to put booksellers out of business; or it would begin in an efficient fashion, then get bogged down in bureaucracy, and become inefficient and the price would go back up a
Re:Great for students (Score:2)
Re:Great for students (Score:2)
With that said, it would be nice if you could buy books from a library, but I'd just like to be able to get content from the internet into a book. For example, you could print out a
Re:Great for students (Score:2)
Actually most students these days use this new thing called the intarweb.
Re:Great for students (Score:3, Insightful)
The reason the library only has one copy of the book is because it gets used very rarely [or lack of funds, but probably not applicable in the case of a library that'll have a hightech book-printing-machine-o-matic]. Just what are you going to do with all that paper used to bind and print the book once you're done writing, throw it away?
Why not charge you for a text PDF, since the machine would need a copy of the text anyway? It's unlikely that you need an ENTIRE book to write a paper. You like
Re:Great for students (Score:2)
a book may not be a recommended text or may be used rarely hence the library only has one copy. then 2 people happen to want it at the same time, so the library prints another copy, adding a barcode and making you check it out as normal.
I could imagine this being great at my university. however, since there's a cost associated with it I imagine it would be restricted to use by postgraduates.
Bibliography (Score:5, Interesting)
The idea of print-on-demand does seem attractive, though. No real inventory to keep track of. No shelf space, no warehouse needed, and no unsold books. A similar promise brought out by e-books, except that you actually get a tangible book in the end. It can't be all bad.
Re:Bibliography (Score:2)
Why not, it worked for Pamela DeBarres.
(Sorry, too obscure for
Re:Bibliography (Score:2, Insightful)
Cool (Score:4, Informative)
Yeah, but can they... (Score:2, Funny)
POD (Score:5, Informative)
Have a look at Publish And Be Damned [pabd.com] for example.
(Even CafePress is offering it alongside their tshirts and stuff, though as with their other products, they're quite expensive)
I think the difference with this one is the specific machine, and the speed it produces the book. That's only really important if you're standing in front of the machine at the time.
Maybe we'll get book vending machines outside the supermarkets, and all the bookstores will close down? Or then again, maybe not. If I'm buying books, I like to browse around the store, see what it's got... Find a cover that appeals to me... read a random page to see if I like the writing. A book machine in the mall won't do that for me, so I'll still go to the book store. Or I'll use mail order... in which case it doesn't really make any difference to you whether it takes five minutes or five hour to print, because the shipping time will make that irrelevant
Re:POD (Score:2)
Re:POD (Score:2)
Re:POD (Score:2)
Ain't it the truth. $20 plus shipping for an iron-on t-shirt? What's a white t-shirt retail for these days? $4? $5? Must be difficult to compete with screen-printed shirts in 19 different colors for $7.99 each.
Why promote an intellectual monopoly? (Score:5, Informative)
Do not promote this government granted business methord intellectual monopoly.
Re:Why promote an intellectual monopoly? (Score:3, Informative)
The Patent and details (Score:4, Informative)
Which is just like downloading an TeX,Latex or DVI encoded file off a central ftp site and proccessing it though to a postscript file and printing and binding the result. Most Universities and tertiary institutions were providing this service by the late 80s. Harvey Ross patented not an invention but a description of an existing service.
Re:Why promote an intellectual monopoly? (Score:2)
Re:Why promote an intellectual monopoly? (Score:2)
I'd say #1 and #2 would be covered by prior art. #3 is probably obvious. #4 may be obvious, it's probably controvercial.
But I'd say that without further knowledge, #5, #6, and #8 have at least some merit, and I'd say #7 should be considered perfectly valid.
Though I wonder about this: "For example, the machine could produce only the boob necessary for the number of students enrolled in a particular class and only those books which the professor has designated for the part
Perpetual Motion Machines (Score:2)
An engineer that graduated from my university, oh, five or six years ago, got hired at the USPO. Guess what he first job they gave her was? Disproving perpetual motion machines :-D
Seriously. She'd go though those patents, write out the equations, etc, why they wouldn't work, and send a nice letter back to the person telling them why their patent application was denied. And she always had plenty of wor
Wow, it's like, so 1990! (Score:3, Informative)
I believe that Xerox had these machines in the mid-90s.
Graphic Arts Monthly has a nice blurb [gammag.com] about the machines too (from 1996!).
Nicholas Negroponte [mit.edu] in Being Digital [amazon.com] talks all about these and how they will play an important part in the switch from 'Atomic Distribution' to 'Bits-is-Bits' business models.
These machine were either a really slow-burn success, or it's just an insanely slow-news day at OSDN. :-)
In other news... (Score:2, Funny)
Is this good or bad for current book stores? (Score:2, Interesting)
Will stores such as Barns & Nobels or Borders addopt these machines, or try to prevent them? Looks like this is a great way for them to reduce inventory and floor display size, but this might in the long run open up more competition by stores such as UPSStore or Kinkos, or even Walmart.
To make it even more interesting, would Amazon benefit by just printing the book, and automatically shipping it, w/o the need for a warehouse, profit from this kind of operation? I know that this produciton mechanism can
$15 million from Amazon.com (Score:2, Interesting)
http://www.capv.com/Store/publications/pub00722.h
full circle (Score:2)
now if we can just get... i have no idea where this is supposed to go from here.
what i really want to know is can i walk into a place with a pdf and get my own book bound and printed. that would be awesome. I have
Re:full circle (Score:2)
Uh
Otherwise, do a Google for "short run publishing" -- although many of these will want to do more than one copy.
Re:full circle (Score:2)
Don't throw yur ebooks out yet ... (Score:2)
Re:Don't throw your ebooks out yet ... (Score:2)
Excellent point. My guess is that they'll just grab the books from Project Gutenberg.
What I found funny was that they say they're going to use a satellite dish to transmit the entire contents of the book from their central computer to the store, and let the potential purchaser flip through it for a while, before asking if they want to buy it.
Satellites aren't the greatest for transmitting data (a good rainstorm will stop the signal).
The Publishing Industry vs the RIAA (Score:3, Insightful)
Collectors (Score:2, Interesting)
Another way is to serialize all POD books, so someone will always get the F(irst)P(rint)!
Not all that new (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Not all that new (Score:3, Insightful)
Extreme Editing... (Score:2)
Not only will authors be able to publish the same day they write "The End" (with their editer looking over their shoulder in typical pair writing style) they can issue revisions for future copies.
No need to think too deeply about plot, if it doesn't sell well in the first few days - rewrite the thing!
Oh wait, that already happens now without the rewriting part...
-Adam
Yes, but at what Cost? (Score:2)
Now if the print on demand books were half as much as the ones in the book store, I'd look at them. Until then, print on demand will just be a pipe dream.
Re:Yes, but at what Cost? (Score:2)
In color, with overnight shipping. A basic book with regular shipping is about half that.
when I can go down to the book store, get something by a -known- author
Yes, because only "known" authors write well.
Now if the print on demand books were half as much as the ones in the book store
$3? Magazines cost more than that and take about 10% the time to write. Print-on-demand books shouldn't have to be unrealistically priced in or
Printing costs will ususally be higher on demand (Score:2)
The first book was very expensive, every one after that was about 1-2$ for a paper back.
The book business is similar to recording/software. You pay for the creation, the duplication is fairly inexpensive.
I still think this is a good idea, people will pay good money for books that are out of print.
Awesome for airports/train stations/etc. (Score:2)
Re:Yeah, and what about the book SIGNINGS? (Score:2)
I was fortunate enough to have Clinton show up at a local book store. This boggles the mind. I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would give this guy their hard-earned money, much less have him sign a book he wrote. What a way to "punish" a former president who singlehandedly turned our system of justice into a three-ring circus, and redefined the word "sex" for people the world over.
BoD already exists... (Score:2)
...here [www.bod.de] (sorry, german-only site). BoD has been operating since many years already. It's amazing that it's not more popular.
POD is great. (Score:3, Interesting)
See my shop [cafeshops.com]
current on-demand printing vendors online (Score:3, Informative)
Rumours of the printed book's imminent death... (Score:2)
It was once said that CAD would render paper obsolete in the drawing office, but when I was a design engineer I found that everyone had to print the thing on paper in order to proof it properly. Somehow it was easier to miss mistakes on screen and easier to spot them on paper. The paperless office is a long way off. I don't know if anyone has done research on this or not, but there is something about paper that no electronic medium will ever match IMHO.
Now before I get t
For these interested in cost of one book... (Score:2)
Question (Score:2)
Forget ebooks??? Wrong! (Score:2)
I'd much rather see a truely decent ebook reader - I'm talking about instant on, decent screen size, yet folds to something at least as compact as a real book. Add a decent bit of storage - in the 10s to hundreds of gig (which we're starting to see now) and thing
Artech House (Score:2)
I wish more publishers did this. I'm always running across references to classic texts that have been out of print for decades. Usually I can find a used copy on the Internet, but some are difficult to find and/or very expensive.
Internet Bookmobile (Score:4, Interesting)
The system is cost-effective for low print runs. There are more than 25,000 public domain or non-commercial licensed Creative Commons books available. We help authors do custom books as well. All free, supported by the Internet Archive and Anywhere Books.
July 8, 2004, we printed "Walden" at Walden Pond, until we were threatened with arrest. See
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/20
What *I* want.... (Score:2)
In fact, I would gladly do a beta test for a company that would make such a product.
Kopykake (Score:2)
What I want ... is a machine that can print--using CMY and K icing--on cakes!
Kopykake [kopykake.com]: Have your photo and eat it too.
Am I crazy? (Score:2)
serials and comic books... (Score:2, Informative)
Looks like a Xerox DocuTech (Score:3, Informative)
Re:PRICE and ROYALTY (Score:2)
"By eliminating shipping and storage costs the book can be sold at it's normal price."
So, the shipping and storage cuts compensate for the laser print and all the network stuff, i guess...
Re:This reminds me of... (Score:5, Funny)
They were replaced by teenage emplyees in Mcdonlads
Re:This reminds me of... (Score:2)
Oh great. So this business plan will fail because it's cheaper to get bored adolescents to copy the books out by hand?
I can see it now:-
"...depending upon the age of your motherboard you may need to upgrade the BIOS in order to use newer processors, although physically it is able to TAKE A CRAP this sucks. FUCK THIS i'm not even getting paid overtime for this. MD RULES YA BAS 2004!"
Meanwhile, where the diagram of a ZIF socket should be is a crudely-
Re:This reminds me of... (Score:2)
I think they were also expensive to run. You not only have to keep the oil hot, you have to keep the fries frozen.
Then, you still have to wait a minute for them to come out. Most Americans, sadly, won't wait a minute for their fa
Re:Xerox (Score:2)
Re:Is there a way to scan a book this quickly ? (Score:2, Informative)
21st Century Technology allows piracy in net.time.
Re:Print Is Dying (Score:2)
Just like television?
Why do I need paper at all?
Don't know.
I give it another 10 years til paper books and periodicals becomes a niche market... at best.
Yes. Eventually all markets will be illiterate and consist of 500 people or less because everything sucks.