Roxio To Concentrate on Online Music Business 288
DevGhost writes "Roxio Inc. said on Monday it would change its name to Napster and focus on the money-losing online digital music service, selling its profitable CD and DVD software division to Sonic Solutions for $80 million."
MBA (Score:5, Insightful)
3-minute MBA (Score:2, Insightful)
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Like Bill Gates?
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He was a money-greedy rich kid from day one.
Paul Allen was the nerd.
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I have started to be of the opinion that many of the problems in the economy and society that we complain about here on /. are the results of generations of leaders that actually believe in these stupid ideas.
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Sounds like a solid business plan (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Sounds like a solid business plan (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Sounds like a solid business plan (Score:3, Informative)
RTFA (Score:2)
So no employees being screwed over. If anything they will now be in a company that wants to do software not be a music distributor.
Newsflash! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Newsflash! (Score:5, Insightful)
First there was the dot.com bubble... then it burst...
now corporations are intent on seeing that movement continue. Watch for the new dot.com suck. First SCO making a side business of OS production and concentrating on making their own customers hate them, now Roxio going for an even bigger/quicker dive.
Next up, watch Dell decide to sell off their computer production business and go into making bathmats. or something.
Re:Newsflash! (Score:3, Funny)
Hey, that wouldn't be a bad idea. I mean, I can knock together a decent PC in an hour or two, but a good bathmat? That's hard to come by.
Re:Newsflash! (Score:4, Interesting)
Nah, they are actually very shrewd and forward-looking. They know that if not now, then eventually something like the INDUCE act will be made law, effectively making illegal CD & DVD burners as well as Roxio's (formerly Adaptec's) popular duping software.
They're just gittin out while the gittin is good, see?
Re:Newsflash! (Score:3, Insightful)
Wonder if they are taking odds in Vegas on how long they will last........
Really (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Really (Score:5, Insightful)
Roxio is SELLING the profitable part of their business to concentrate on the stuff that's not working.
Why? Because they're dumb.
Selling Profitable division (Score:2)
Lets say someone offers you $80 million for a company.
1. If you think it is worth more than $80 million, you should not sell it.
2. If you think it is worth less than $80 million you should sell.
Apparently they took option #2.
Profitable doesn't automatically mean worth more than the offer price.
Re:Really (Score:3, Insightful)
They don't want to be sued and/or have their software declared illegal.
If I were a CEO and I saw the RIAA/MPAA filing numerous claims against my competition, I would be pretty scared too. Think: 321 Studios. Call it potential gain vs potential loss.
Honestly, look at where the burning software market is going. The best selling/most popular products are the ones that do something that the people who love copyright want to stop. Here are some examples:
- Copying 'protected' C
Re:Really (Score:2)
If you read the fuckin' article instead of just the fuckin' summary you would see that they have been losing money even when you include the profits from the software division. Sometimes just making an "AWESOME" application doesn't mean that you have any cash in the bank or are able to pay your bills.
The $80 million that they made by selling the software unit will let them k
Re:Really (Score:2)
$17 billion? (Score:5, Funny)
Great business model. (Score:5, Funny)
Board Member #2: "Brilliant!"
You forgot.... (Score:5, Funny)
Board Member #4: "Profit!"
Re:Great business model. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Great business model. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Great business model. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Great business model. (Score:2)
*cough* *sputter* oh... oh thank goodness... at first I thought you said:
evil board members from a parallel universe (with goatce of course)
Re:Great business model. (Score:2, Funny)
Board member #1: "Hey, let's sell our profitable division so that we can focus on one that will never make money ever."
Board Member #2: "Brilliant!"
Board Member #3 : Or we could relocate to Endor?
Board Member #4 : But we are 6 feet tall and Endor is populated with Ewoks that are only three feet tall. That plan doesn't make any sense.
Board Member #3 : OK, lets just sell the part of our company that makes money.
Re:Great business model. (Score:2)
Napster... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Napster... (Score:5, Interesting)
Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket... (Score:4, Insightful)
Boy they're sure good at picking business models. Funny how an individual who changes professions every few years is viewed badly upon by creditors, yet companies who go through disposable business plans the same way are "innovative".
On the good side though, I think this will be their last name change before Chapter 11(, Inc.). Seriously, what part of focus on the money-losing online digital music service, selling its profitable CD and DVD software division doesn't sound like the bubble all over again.
Bah... whatev. Just as long as someone keeps supporting Toast, I won't yell too loud.
Re:Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. (Score:4, Informative)
What I want to know is whether Sonic was smart enough to grab the "Roxio" brand name along with the software?
Re:Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. (Score:2)
Best thing that could happen right now... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. (Score:5, Insightful)
If you pay your bills on time and have reserves (money in the bank), changes in profession aren't viewed badly upon. It's when you're changing your profession and you've had late car payments and you've got $3000 to live on...
Let's say Napster needed $50m in cash in the next three months to be able to put together a plan to become a major contender in online music distribution networks. Maybe they need to pay $5m to each major label, get a huge server farm, whatever. They know what they need, but they don't have any capital. Selling the profitable division is a good business idea if through this change, Napster can become wildly profitable.
Whether that is going to happen or not, I don't know. Napster has name recognition on one side, but then again you don't think "legal downloads" when you think Napster.
If, however, Napster spends most of the $70m in cash that it's going to get on Super Bowl ads, then yes, they learned nothing from the
Re:Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. (Score:2)
Re:Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. (Score:3, Insightful)
I think most of the negative posters get this full well. We just happen to believe th
Let's see if I have this straight: (Score:5, Funny)
2) Focus on money losing division
3) ???
4) Profit!
I like their moxie!
Re:Let's see if I have this straight: (Score:5, Funny)
1) ???
2) ???
3) ???...
4) ???!
God damnit, that was hilarious. (Score:5, Funny)
--LordPixie
I am not a business leader... (Score:5, Insightful)
Insanity!
Re:I am not a business leader... (Score:2, Insightful)
Before anyone goes into the online music distribution business they better seriously consider how they are going to topple iTunes. iTunes is already entrenched and is basically a buzz-word in itself. Just about everyone I know (whether they know what Spyware is or not) knows abo
Re:I am not a business leader... (Score:5, Insightful)
* Loan a bunch of money from banks or private investors, on the strength of your profitable unit.
* Sell the profitable unit for a lump sum many times its annual profit and invest in in the online business.
* Sell off the unprofitable unit and let it die.
They've retained the final option (they can always decide to fire everybody, though that's not cheap), and they've got a handfull of cash (no strings attached, unlike bankloans or investors) AND the assets of the online business so they don't even have to start a business from scratch to invest it in.
If it all makes sense depends greatly on what their plans are with the cash they've just earned, and the premium of getting a was of cash over other means of investment. It's still likely their online business will die, but if it does, it won't drag the profitable business down into Chapter 11. Possibly saving jobs.
What it comes down to is that the company thought it's unprofitable online music business is a better investment than the profitable business. It's a high risk strategy, so likely they think the potential reward is great. Whether they're wrong, well, they're right about the risk, so we'll see.
it's called capital... (Score:4, Insightful)
Raises capital- ie money you can use to invest or buy things to make more money.
Someone no doubt sat down and figured out how much money Napster could potentially make, and how much Toast etc would make.
It could be that profits are leveling off (since OS X supports CD/DVD burning decently, that wouldn't be surprising) and so the company is taking a chance. Selling off their existing products gives them a lump of cash to use for working on Napster- something like, say, a stupid Superbowl commercial.
Re:I am not a business leader... (Score:3)
Not to accuse anyone of anything (in case predatory lawyes are lurking about) but perhaps to short the stock and rake in money from that? It's not often you can legally predict that a company is going to die a horrible fl
HOW THIS MAKES MONEY... (Score:3, Insightful)
Here is how you make profit from this:
Just you need to look at it the right way (this is serious)!
What is important is NOT the financial health of the company, which will go bankrupt in 5 years (even the management knows this... but thats not what's important).
Rather, they now have 80M in cash...
Guess what that means!
Massive exec salary and bonus time! (until you go through the 80M).
Put a big hunk of the money in management salary trusts (happens all the time..that way the
In other news ... (Score:4, Funny)
Metaphor mix-up (Score:2)
iceboxes to eskimos (Score:5, Insightful)
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Right now it's 54 degrees in Nome AK, 64 degrees in Anchorage, 63 degrees in Fairbanks, 64 in Juneau, and even 46 degrees in Barrow (at the northern top of alaska).
If they want something frozen right now, they need a freezer.
Crap. (Score:3, Funny)
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Indeed...after the fiascoes that were Easy CD Creator 4 & 5, does anybody still use Roxio's CD-burning products anymore?
Re:Crap. (Score:2)
Nero makes my system skip around for seven minutes, and then spits out a disk.
K3b doesn't slow anything down (although that might be an effect of Linux scheduling and not k3b's doing), and spits a disk out in five minutes.
Re:Yes but Packetwriting software is crap (Score:3, Interesting)
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Oh goody (Score:4, Funny)
End of the line for Toast? (Score:2)
Re:End of the line for Toast? (Score:2)
If they do, you can rest assured that it will land buttered-side down.
Or, if you like, metal layer-side down. Damn cheap CDRs...
What crack are they smoking? (Score:4, Funny)
Now if only (Score:2, Interesting)
doesn't anyone remember 2000? (Score:2, Insightful)
And now they are throwing themselves solidly in the path of several oncoming trains in Apple, Microsoft, and Sony.
Short this pig!
Now they can focus that juggernaut... (Score:2, Funny)
very nearsighted (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:very nearsighted (Score:3, Insightful)
It's gone from a non existant market to a highly competitive one. Good luck. Nero's way better than EZCD anyway. Less bloatware garbage gui cra
What date is it? (Score:2, Interesting)
CSVB
They're going to concentrate on... (Score:5, Funny)
Sounds like the old Napster.
Facinating... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Facinating... (Score:2, Interesting)
Exactly what I have been told from an insider @ Roxio. Why stick with a saturated roxio market when you can dominate in a young digital music market by practically owning the distribution channels.
Maybe Not such a bad idea... (Score:5, Interesting)
Also to consider are new DRM rules. Roxio could have to do major upgrading to the software to enable proper DRM and even then Microsoft/MPAA could decide its not good enough.
What is a great product now does not mean that it will always be the best. You have to admit that CD/DVD burning software is kind of a one-trick-pony-kind-of software that does not have great potential for growth. Sooner or later Microsoft will start to integrate burning capabilities like Apple.
Also another thing to consider is with growing HD sizes CD burning I am assuming is decreasing. also with MP3 players, which I am assuming will lead to MP3 car players, CDr's could potentially.. gasp.. die. Leaving ROxio with a sinking ship.
Just some thoughts as to why they would do this drastic move
CD burning already in WinXP (Score:4, Informative)
Windows XP already has CD burning capability. Guess what? It's licensed Easy CD Creator code from Roxio. Check the Version info on C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adaptec Shared\CreateCD\CreateCD50.exe (the folder name is left over from when Adaptec owned Easy CD Creator).
Re:Maybe Not such a bad idea... (Score:3, Insightful)
You must have used a different Roxio than I did. Even the platinum version is canned crap. Nero beats it pants down (as in, beats the pants off of it.)
Toast is quite good, but I would guess that the CD burning support in OSX is not as crappy as the CD burning support in XP, which is just licensed from Roxio anyway. Easy CD Creator sucked ass when Adaptec sold it
When I read the writeup... (Score:2)
Hey, what's up with slashdot posting all the 4-line articles today?
While this may be a dumb move . . . . (Score:2, Insightful)
The Real Business Plan (Score:5, Insightful)
2) CEO and major board members retire wealthy, leaving mess for someone else to worry about.
3) Tell next victim how the previous company tanked without your guidance.
Sounds like MBA standard operating practices 101, the college class than can be substituted for ethics. The next CEO will just inflate earnings, claim huge savings by outsourcing, hide losses and try to bail before their caught.
There's a sucker born every minute.
makes sense... (Score:3, Insightful)
So they decide to get some cash and shares ("Roxio will receive $70 million cash and $10 million in Sonic shares") and look to invest in a business where growth is possible - and that's on-line music distribution.
So long as they don't fritter away their cash pile they should be able to turn a handsome profit and achieve significant growth.
On-line music distribution has the potential for big bucks because companies are able to charge, and consumers willing to pay, CD-prices for something as cheap as electronic files - the consumer pays for the PCs, MP3 devices and even the distribution channel (the 'net). Roxio/Napster gets to globalise a low-cost business model (bling!), leverage the Napster brand both on-line and badging the p***-poor, but cheaper, iPod alternatives (bling!), consumers feel cool (bling!) and the record industry gets to pay its (mainly) US stars big bucks for doing as little as the do now (bling!).
It's bling-bling all round! Hooray!
Of course, I will miss talking to those record shop sales staff who, over the years, have turned me on to all kinds of different music (Television, Foo Fighters, etc.) - and cool UK bands will have trouble acessing these new 'net-based distribution channels without a fight - but hey, who needs human interaction and good (i.e. not-rap;) music when we can let Napster rip us off in the comfort of our own homes!
This just in... (Score:3, Funny)
hail mary pass (Score:4, Interesting)
"Calculated risk" is indeed a business model. Almost every business that isn't funded by a trust is based on risk of losses. It's not like they are shuttering the profitable business, they are cashing it out and throwing everything into what is obviously a make-or-break play. Maybe CD burners are boring. Maybe there are no great business opportunites left worth fighting over. Maybe someone is rich enough to want to play with some money.
It isn't insane, it's just risky. I happen to think it is insanely risky, but that's just me. Still if I were sitting on a cool $80M with everything to lose and not much to gain I would give myself a nice salary, make a great try at stardom, and if it went down badly I'd buy an island in the South Pacific and retire to study beaches and waves.
And how insane is that, really?
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Who saidthe dot com era was over. (Score:2)
Who wants to take a guess as to when Roxio aka Napster will be making an appearance as an official fucked company [fuckedcompany.com]?
Might not be such a bad move... (Score:2, Interesting)
Might make sense in the long run (Score:5, Insightful)
I thought it had to be April Fools Day when I read the post, which to me sounded a bit like "Microsoft sells Office, Windows and Linux Bashing divisions to Apple, concentrates on PocketPC, TabletPC and FrontPage Express licensing."
But on second thought, maybe this makes sense. Writing CDs and DVDs used to be slow and cumbersome. The operating systems didn't support it, so Roxio and other software filled a niche. These days more and more people own computers that can burn natively. The market for this software is likely to shrink, or at the very least become commoditized. Watch Longhorn get iTunes-like music burning support. The Easy CD Creator market is doomed, and perhaps Roxio decided that their best bet for growth is to copy Apple.
$6 M / $80 M = 7.5% (Score:5, Insightful)
Twist to this whole deal (Score:4, Insightful)
Part of the deal is they get a crap-load of stock in SonicBlue.
SonicBlue has hardware/software out there in virtually every thing that reads/writes CDs/DVDs, as far as embedded systems go (like your home CD-Recorder or DVD-Recorder, and players, and such).
Someone should google around for SonicBlue's profits, and see what type of a good thing it's going to be for them to still be making money off the stock part of SonicBlue, WHILE using this mega cash infusion to put some work into securing hopefully good stuff on the Napster side of things.
Re:News Flash (Score:2)
Persoally I dont see apple has a chance in heck of making it. There competitors are waiting watching while apple (Still a small company however many ways you look at it) builds in and spends there 4billion fortune building up a large music business to see how it pans out the BOOM napster sneaks in with the same products and services but just a little cheaper and suddenly Apple goes
Re:News Flash (Score:2)
Re:News Flash (Score:3, Interesting)
Wishful thinking on your part.
Re:News Flash (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't see a Fortune 500 (#236 I believe) as a small company in any way at all... how do you consider Apple Computer "small"?
Apple is not spending their (now over $4.5bn) cash on the music business. THe iTMS is turning a (and I quote from the latest financial call) "a small profit".
This is a service that was intended to just about break even, with the view to selling more iPods. So far, this service can only be called an unmitigated success in itself, and looking at the over $1bn of revenue that will come from the iPod in this year alone, the entire music division is doing incredibly.
BOOM napster sneaks in with the same products and services but just a little cheaper and suddenly Apple goes chapter 11
This is just ridiculous, maybe "sneak in with same products" is the best the Roxio management can come up with in place of a proper business plan, but no matter how many times you say "BOOM" it doesn't make it happen. You neglect to explain HOW on EARTH little Roxio/Napster can "sneak in" with the "same products" when Apple is a multi-billion dollar consumer product company and you can bet your granny that there are hoardes of extremely bright people over in Cupertino working on versions of the iPod that would make the current ones look like a 1980's walkman. What resources does Roxio/Napster have to compete with the resources that Apple both has and is willing to throw at this market?
Plus there's the headstart factor, every day that goes by Apple cements itself into the lead, evey million songs that are sold is another million songs that will be played through Apple's iTunes software or Apple's iPod player cement cement cement goes Apple's foundation bulding machine. And on top of this no other service comes close to the integration and quality of the whole music service from Apple.
So please, explain a little more about how Roxio/Napster, which has just become a totally profitless organisation is going to ensure that "suddenly Apple goes chapter 11"
Sheesh.
Re:News Flash (Score:2)
Apple claims that iTMS is breaking even now, or even doing better than breaking even, if not by much. Meanwhile it's helping them sell a kajillion ipods and mini ipods. (I refuse to call them ipod minis, that's not how the english language works. If I were speaking espanol, I'd use their name.)
As such apple might end up getting shut out of the business and selling iTMS to someone who will contract them to maintain iPod integration or something, but other than that I don't see iTMS hurting apple in the f
Re:The Napster Brand (Score:2)
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If you can't win, cheat.